invisible limits - golden dreams (new order edit) and other Clones

anyone know whats up with this release.

did bernard work on it.. sounds new orderish enough.

andother related release to get.

and yes, the band did get more famous with love will tear us apart.

later -1

Wow, that is really terrible. I mean, most '80s German synthpop is bad, but at least enjoyable-bad.

Discogs claims New Order did an edit, but they're far more likely to have done a *remix*, unless it's mistranslated.

I've never heard of this band in conjunction with New Order at all. Considering the label is Pop FACTORY, and they covered LWTUA, I'm going to guess they were trying desperately to hitch their wagon to New Order by simply titling that mix "New Order Edit," and the band had zero to do with it.

50poundnote wrote: Wow, that is really terrible. I mean, most '80s German synthpop is bad, but at least enjoyable-bad.

Discogs claims New Order did an edit, but they're far more likely to have done a *remix*, unless it's mistranslated.

I've never heard of this band in conjunction with New Order at all. Considering the label is Pop FACTORY, and they covered LWTUA, I'm going to guess they were trying desperately to hitch their wagon to New Order by simply titling that mix "New Order Edit," and the band had zero to do with it.

is there any way to find out, or verify that they did or did not work on this release.

i never heard of them either, so when this came up i didn't know if there was a connection or not.

i don't think it's that bad of a song actually, she's got a decent voice, and that style of music was in at that time.

there are other bands like boxcar, that sounded almost exactly like new order clones, with freemason, and other tracks.

later -1

All the bands Barney or Peter worked with ended up on comps like Cool As Ice, Twice As Nice, The Quick Neat Job, and New Order Presents Be Music. They're always credited to Bemusic, if not Sumner by name, and they're all UK-based bands. In 1986 they wouldn't be doing an edit for an obscure German band, and in the 3+ decades since their name surely would have cropped up on bootlegs, tape trades, fan websites, etc.

And Boxcar may be a clone, but they're a good clone. Vertigo is the best New Order album not released by New Order.

50poundnote wrote: All the bands Barney or Peter worked with ended up on comps like Cool As Ice, Twice As Nice, The Quick Neat Job, and New Order Presents Be Music. They're always credited to Bemusic, if not Sumner by name, and they're all UK-based bands. In 1986 they wouldn't be doing an edit for an obscure German band, and in the 3+ decades since their name surely would have cropped up on bootlegs, tape trades, fan websites, etc.

And Boxcar may be a clone, but they're a good clone. Vertigo is the best New Order album not released by New Order.

Agreed about boxcar, they even got robert racic to work on some of the remixes and singles.

i got the remix album, and it was great too.

i think discogs people, just tagged the wrong credit on the song, so i guess i'll disregard it.

thanks for the information.

later -1

I'm a sucker for anything NO had a hand in and actually own this 7". Looked extensively for evidence of their involvement but never found it.

Arrived at the same conclusion as you guys.

50poundnote wrote:

And Boxcar may be a clone, but they're a good clone. Vertigo is the best New Order album not released by New Order.

They were the poor man's New Order down here at the time, and I duly bought a bunch of their 12"s.

Nice to hear them mentioned again.

Hailed from Brisbane so I bet Dennis Remmer has some stories.

depthcharge wrote: They were the poor man's New Order down here at the time, and I duly bought a bunch of their 12"s.

Nice to hear them mentioned again.

Hailed from Brisbane so I bet Dennis Remmer has some stories.

I'm a fan. I've got Vertigo, all the 12" and CD singles, and Revision (the collected remixes album).

I'm also a massive Severed Heads fan, and Stewart Lawler who was in Boxcar mkII, has toured with Tom in recent years.

i was really into techno remakes and versions back in the 90's.

I LOVED the elecroset - how does it feel, i think they are better versions than some of the other djs that tried remixing blue monday.

i have the US and UK CD singles: US

discogs.com/Electroset-How-Does-It-Feel/release/369734

UK https://www.discogs.com/Electroset-How-Does-It-Feel/release/190312

i just wish it had more lyrics.

of course, now i have to go back, and try adding them back into it. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....

later -1

50poundnote wrote:

depthcharge wrote: They were the poor man's New Order down here at the time, and I duly bought a bunch of their 12"s.

Nice to hear them mentioned again.

Hailed from Brisbane so I bet Dennis Remmer has some stories.

I'm a fan. I've got Vertigo, all the 12" and CD singles, and Revision (the collected remixes album).

I'm also a massive Severed Heads fan, and Stewart Lawler who was in Boxcar mkII, has toured with Tom in recent years.

boxcar released a highway to he ll remixes for an ac/dc cover album in 2011:

https://www.discogs.com/Boxcar-H2H/release/5681823

Boxcar ‎– H2H Label: Not On Label ‎– none Format: 4 × File, MP3, Single, 320 kbps Country: Australia Released: 2011 Genre: Electronic Style: Synth-pop, Leftfield Tracklist 1 Highway To Hell (Radio) 4:12 2 Highway To Hell (12" Mix) 6:02 3 Superhighway To Hell 6:05 4 Highway To Hell (Radio Instrumental) 4:12 Total Time: 20:31

a 4rack live EP in 2014 https://www.discogs.com/Boxcar-Boxcar-Live-The-Wireless-Triple-J/release/5681851

Boxcar ‎– Boxcar Live @ The Wireless Triple J Label: Not On Label ‎– none Format: 4 × File, EP, 320 kbps Country: Australia Released: 04 Feb 2014 Genre: Electronic Style: Synth-pop, Leftfield Tracklist 1 Spirit 4:59 2 Universal Hymn 4:38 3 What Are You So Happy About? 4:06 4 Olive 3:31 Total Time: 17:14

and 4 comet remixes, one from robert racic in 2018:

https://www.discogs.com/Boxcar-Comet-Remixes/release/13344321

Boxcar ‎– Comet (Remixes) Label: Volition Music ‎– VOLT2183 Format: 4 × File, AAC, EP, Single Country: Australia Released: 01 Jun 2018 Genre: Electronic Style: Electro, Techno, Dub, Leftfield TracklistShow Credits 1 Comet (Racic Extended Mix) 5:17 2 Comet (Francis Xavier Remix) 6:41 3 Comet (Tronik Youth Remix) 5:35 4 Comet (Valley Forge Rework) 5:35 Total Time: 23:08

later -1

oh yeah, and boxcar did some insect remixes in 2017 (although i didn't care much for them), wished they had done freemason, or who do you think you are... love those ones..

https://www.discogs.com/Boxcar-Insect-Remixes/release/13344286

Boxcar ‎– Insect (Remixes) Label: Volition Music ‎– VOLT2181 Format: 6 × File, AAC, Single Country: Australia Released: 01 Dec 2017 Genre: Electronic Style: Electro, Techno, Dub, Leftfield TracklistShow Credits 1 Insect (Max Wolf vs. Boxcar Remix) 4:13 2 Dubsect (Racic Dub) 6:52 3 Insect (Tunnel Signs Classic Bass Dub) 6:46 4 Insect (Tunnel Signs & Johannes Klingebiel Dub) 6:25 5 Insect (Racic Radio Edit) 3:36 6 Insect (Racic Club Mix) 6:41 Total Time: 34:33

later -1

The Electroset one was excellent, they did one with INXS New Sensation but that didn't seem to be quite as good to me!

https://youtu.be/lbJWaf2PqF0

depthcharge wrote:

50poundnote wrote:

And Boxcar may be a clone, but they're a good clone. Vertigo is the best New Order album not released by New Order.

They were the poor man's New Order down here at the time, and I duly bought a bunch of their 12"s.

Nice to hear them mentioned again.

Hailed from Brisbane so I bet Dennis Remmer has some stories.

Cooled off on them but had their Vertigo album and accompanying singles at the time. Freemason nearly sounded more like a New Order/Pet Shop Boys hybrid than Electronic! I remember liking Gas Stop, but the video amped up the New Order imitations to uncomfortable levels.

negative1 wrote:

50poundnote wrote: All the bands Barney or Peter worked with ended up on comps like Cool As Ice, Twice As Nice, The Quick Neat Job, and New Order Presents Be Music. They're always credited to Bemusic, if not Sumner by name, and they're all UK-based bands. In 1986 they wouldn't be doing an edit for an obscure German band, and in the 3+ decades since their name surely would have cropped up on bootlegs, tape trades, fan websites, etc.

And Boxcar may be a clone, but they're a good clone. Vertigo is the best New Order album not released by New Order.

Agreed about boxcar, they even got robert racic to work on some of the remixes and singles.

i got the remix album, and it was great too.

i think discogs people, just tagged the wrong credit on the song, so i guess i'll disregard it.

thanks for the information.

later -1

Getting a bit more off topic here, but suspect you'd appreciate Moev. There were many permutations of the band, but the two albums they did with Dean Russell on vocals were excellent (the 2nd of them, Head Down, featuring a young Sarah McLachlan). I saw them open for Xymox in 1989, and both groups were superb live. Moev started the set with Capital Heaven, which sounded immense with it's percolating stabs of synth.

Capital Heaven

Yes, I LOVE Moev! Pretty much anything on Nettwerk, especially mid '80s to early '90s: Moev, Severed Heads, Skinny Puppy, Manufacture, Sarah McLachlan, Chris And Cosey, Single Gun Theory, Gary Clail's Tackhead Sound System, Bel Canto, MC 900 Ft Jesus, Hilt, Gruesome Twosome, Consolidated - I have all those records.

50poundnote wrote: Yes, I LOVE Moev! Pretty much anything on Nettwerk, especially mid '80s to early '90s: Moev, Severed Heads, Skinny Puppy, Manufacture, Sarah McLachlan, Chris And Cosey, Single Gun Theory, Gary Clail's Tackhead Sound System, Bel Canto, MC 900 Ft Jesus, Hilt, Gruesome Twosome, Consolidated - I have all those records.

i have a lot of those singles also, was also into a lot of wax trax groups, ministry, skinny puppy, front 242 etc. along with frontline assembly and nitzer ebb. a lot of industrial sounding bands.

later -1

50poundnote wrote: Yes, I LOVE Moev! Pretty much anything on Nettwerk, especially mid '80s to early '90s: Moev, Severed Heads, Skinny Puppy, Manufacture, Sarah McLachlan, Chris And Cosey, Single Gun Theory, Gary Clail's Tackhead Sound System, Bel Canto, MC 900 Ft Jesus, Hilt, Gruesome Twosome, Consolidated - I have all those records.

Was primarily directed at -1 but believe many fans of New Order would like Moev. They are far less guitar-oriented (although bass guitar is heavily featured), but if you like the more dark and menacing New Order tracks synth tracks like 586 and This Time of Night, Moev might be up your alley.

Andy wrote:

negative1 wrote:

50poundnote wrote: All the bands Barney or Peter worked with ended up on comps like Cool As Ice, Twice As Nice, The Quick Neat Job, and New Order Presents Be Music. They're always credited to Bemusic, if not Sumner by name, and they're all UK-based bands. In 1986 they wouldn't be doing an edit for an obscure German band, and in the 3+ decades since their name surely would have cropped up on bootlegs, tape trades, fan websites, etc.

And Boxcar may be a clone, but they're a good clone. Vertigo is the best New Order album not released by New Order.

Agreed about boxcar, they even got robert racic to work on some of the remixes and singles.

i got the remix album, and it was great too.

i think discogs people, just tagged the wrong credit on the song, so i guess i'll disregard it.

thanks for the information.

later -1

Getting a bit more off topic here, but suspect you'd appreciate Moev. There were many permutations of the band, but the two albums they did with Dean Russell on vocals were excellent (the 2nd of them, Head Down, featuring a young Sarah McLachlan). I saw them open for Xymox in 1989, and both groups were superb live. Moev started the set with Capital Heaven, which sounded immense with it's percolating stabs of synth.

Capital Heaven

It's also worth giving a shout out to early Clan of Xymox/Xymox. They were never trendsetters at the time, sounding like a mix of previous styles popularized by New Order, The Cure and The Sisters of Mercy, but that doesn't really matter now. Their first four albums saw them refine their style, becoming more accomplished (and commercial) as they progressed. Their 4th LP actually sounds like a hybrid of Technique and Disintegration!

A Day 1st album

Louise 2nd album

Evelyn 3rd album (...although Imagination with the lovely bassist Anka singing was actually the hit)

Written in the Stars 4th album

Always loved Clan Of Xymox' 'Cry In The Wind'. Now that is a fine piece of post-punk:

Andy wrote:

Andy wrote:

Getting a bit more off topic here, but suspect you'd appreciate Moev. There were many permutations of the band, but the two albums they did with Dean Russell on vocals were excellent (the 2nd of them, Head Down, featuring a young Sarah McLachlan). I saw them open for Xymox in 1989, and both groups were superb live. Moev started the set with Capital Heaven, which sounded immense with it's percolating stabs of synth.

Capital Heaven

It's also worth giving a shout out to early Clan of Xymox/Xymox. They were never trendsetters at the time, sounding like a mix of previous styles popularized by New Order, The Cure and The Sisters of Mercy, but that doesn't really matter now. Their first four albums saw them refine their style, becoming more accomplished (and commercial) as they progressed. Their 4th LP actually sounds like a hybrid of Technique and Disintegration!

A Day 1st album

Louise 2nd album

Evelyn 3rd album (...although Imagination with the lovely bassist Anka singing was actually the hit)

Written in the Stars 4th album

yes, i have a few select albums and singles from MOEV, thanks.

love early clan of xymox, and have all of those, and the singles too.

they're still doing music, touring, lost track of them in the 90's, but they've kept on going, and going, and going.

later -1

here's my US / UK electroset cd's i put in a Z pack:

still need to get the vinyl versions, and other assorted variations.

later -1

negative1 wrote:

Andy wrote:

Andy wrote:

Getting a bit more off topic here, but suspect you'd appreciate Moev. There were many permutations of the band, but the two albums they did with Dean Russell on vocals were excellent (the 2nd of them, Head Down, featuring a young Sarah McLachlan). I saw them open for Xymox in 1989, and both groups were superb live. Moev started the set with Capital Heaven, which sounded immense with it's percolating stabs of synth.

Capital Heaven

It's also worth giving a shout out to early Clan of Xymox/Xymox. They were never trendsetters at the time, sounding like a mix of previous styles popularized by New Order, The Cure and The Sisters of Mercy, but that doesn't really matter now. Their first four albums saw them refine their style, becoming more accomplished (and commercial) as they progressed. Their 4th LP actually sounds like a hybrid of Technique and Disintegration!

A Day 1st album

Louise 2nd album

Evelyn 3rd album (...although Imagination with the lovely bassist Anka singing was actually the hit)

Written in the Stars 4th album

yes, i have a few select albums and singles from MOEV, thanks.

love early clan of xymox, and have all of those, and the singles too.

they're still doing music, touring, lost track of them in the 90's, but they've kept on going, and going, and going.

later -1

After that 4th album (Phoenix), the band splintered. They had signed to a major label but, as I mentioned, were always a bit late to the party. They weren't able to generate enough sales in the '90's as trends started to drift away from that style popularized by New Order, The Cure, etc in the '80's. Their 5th album was essentially a solo effort by Ronny Moorings (the Billy Corgan of the band, I suppose). He decided to go in a techno direction for a couple of albums but, again, wasn't exactly breaking new ground. His first Xymox single release spotlighting the new direction, Dream On, was disappointing. Made even more so by the excellent b-side, Soul Free, which hearkened back to the synthpop style of the previous 2 LPs. After the techno stuff was out of his system, he assembled a new band which embraces a dour goth style that I didn't think the original Clan of Xymox was really a part of. I stopped buying their stuff long ago so can't say if anything they've released after the '90's is actually any good.

A final tidbit before I shut up about Xymox: I saw them live in 1989 and 1991, and they were, without a doubt, the next best thing to New Order in terms of combining live instruments and synths/programming. At least at the time. They were actually a bit more practiced and proficient at their instruments than New Order (bar Stephen Morris, of course) but weren't show offs with solos and that type of garbage. Yet there was a similarity in concept and attitude. I'm not sure if it's because they're from the Netherlands or not but they seemed straightforward and humble. They weren't showbizzy. I was a bit surprised because the photos of them at the time made them look like a cross between Gene Loves Jezebel and Thompson Twins. I had expected more posing and posturing. But when Anka took her turn at the mic in 1989 to sing 7th Time, Ronny put down his guitar and took her bass. Presumably because she wasn't so accomplished at singing and playing at the same time.

I would pay good money to see a reformation of the original group.

Andy wrote: A final tidbit before I shut up about Xymox: I saw them live in 1989 and 1991, and they were, without a doubt, the next best thing to New Order in terms of combining live instruments and synths/programming. At least at the time. They were actually a bit more practiced and proficient at their instruments than New Order (bar Stephen Morris, of course) but weren't show offs with solos and that type of garbage. Yet there was a similarity in concept and attitude. I'm not sure if it's because they're from the Netherlands or not but they seemed straightforward and humble. They weren't showbizzy. I was a bit surprised because the photos of them at the time made them look like a cross between Gene Loves Jezebel and Thompson Twins. I had expected more posing and posturing. But when Anka took her turn at the mic in 1989 to sing 7th Time, Ronny put down his guitar and took her bass. Presumably because she wasn't so accomplished at singing and playing at the same time.

I would pay good money to see a reformation of the original group.

they've had at least 10 albums or more since the 90's.

i've heard the live album from 2000, and it was pretty good: https://www.discogs.com/Clan-Of-Xymox-Live/master/55580

Clan Of Xymox ‎– Live Genre: Electronic, Rock Style: New Wave, Goth Rock, Synth-pop Year: 2000 Tracklist Stranger 8:08 Cry In The Wind 5:48 This World 6:35 Jasmine & Rose 5:51 A Day 6:50 Louise 5:53 Creature 5:09 Back Door 5:01 Out Of The Rain 4:14 Taste Of Medicine 7:50 Going Round '97 6:20 Obsession 5:52 Muscoviet Mosquito 4:17 Michelle 2:54 Craving 5:45 Consolation 5:04 Agonized By Love 3:20 Hypocrite 4:54 The Story Ends 5:05 Jasmine & Rose 5:56 Stranger 8:13 Total Time: 1:58:59

there's the john peel sessions from 2001: https://www.discogs.com/Clan-Of-Xymox-The-John-Peel-Sessions/master/193291

Clan Of Xymox ‎– The John Peel Sessions Genre: Rock Style: New Wave, Goth Rock Year: 2001 Tracklist Stranger 5:30 Muscoviet Mosquito 3:59 Seventh Time 4:45 After The Call 7:20 Agonised By Love 5:03 Mesmerised 6:16 Total Time: 32:53

and the early demos: https://www.discogs.com/Clan-Of-Xymox-Early-Demos/master/1386263

Clan Of Xymox ‎– Early Demos Genre: Electronic, Rock Style: Darkwave, New Wave, Post-Punk Year: 2015 Tracklist Stranger (Demo 1982) 7th Time (Demo 1982) Stumble & Fall (IDEM) A Day (IDEM) Equal Ways (IDEM) Back Door (Demo 1983) A Day (Live Rehearsal 1984) 7th Time (Live Rehearsal 1984) Moscoviet Mosquito (Live Rehearsal 1984) Stumble & Fall (Live Rehearsal 1984) Lorrentine Medusa After The Call Louise A Day (Live Radio 1985) Muscoviet Mosquito (Live Radio 1985) Michelle Louise 1st Ever Several Times 1st Ever Back Door Dreamland 1st Ever A Day All Fold Up Here It's Raining Again (Rejected Demo) 1st Ever Stranger Wonderland Xymox #4 (Rejected Demo) Xymox #2 (Rejected Demo)

so, lots of classic stuff out there.

later -1

The demos are primitive but good. I actually prefer the demo of Stumble and Fall to the version on the first album. It has more of a Kraftwerk feel to it.

the greatest hits from 2004 were re-recordings. but i got it anyways. it's not bad either.

didn't know half the songs.

later -1

I have been giving Clan Of Xymox more of a listen these last couple of days (as previously mentioned, I've always liked two or three tracks). Really liking what I've heard.

I'm able to stream the first LP, Medusa and Subsequent Pleasures (amongst others) on Apple Music. However, I'd rather like to hear the Peel Sessions and Early Demos LP. Anybody able to point me in the direction of where I might be able to hear these (they go for silly money on Discogs, especially Early Demos - £120! Yikes!).

Just to add to the thread, a band I love that I think others might like are 'For Against'. I wouldn't say they're New Order clones at all, but I'm sure that most NO fans would like them. They're more 'dreampop' than NO and have some elements of Cocteaus about them (but without Liz Frazer's vocals).

If you want to check out anything, try the following especially:

Echelons (first LP) December (second LP) In The Marshes (compilation of early material) Black Soap EP (again, early songs)

Here's the song that got me hooked:

They're from Lincoln, Nebraska, but they were influenced by UK bands on Factory and 4AD. They're ridiculously good.

I hear quite a bit of early Sisters of Mercy influence in that track.

Andy wrote: I hear quite a bit of early Sisters of Mercy influence in that track.

i have the 'this corrosion' remix:

and love it, i have the 12 inch, and something else from them that's a cd-single, but comes in a 12 inch sleeve.

i had no idea the album version was even longer and more epic, until about a year ago, when my friend gave me their album compilation boxset.

great song.

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I was thinking more the early singles and first LP, although I also appreciate their later stuff to a lesser extent.

I finally saw them live in 1991, and they did not disappoint.

Bonus: Danielle Dax was the opening act. I really, really tried to appreciate her music, but have to admit that it was her appearance that held the main appeal.

Andy wrote: I was thinking more the early singles and first LP, although I also appreciate their later stuff to a lesser extent.

I finally saw them live in 1991, and they did not disappoint.

Bonus: Danielle Dax was the opening act. I really, really tried to appreciate her music, but have to admit that it was her appearance that held the main appeal.

I love the Sisters. Have been a fan since the late 1980s.

Early Sisters (i.e. the EPs) were excellent - Alice, Floorshow, Heartland, Temple Of Love. Love the first LP too (even the Hussey penned stuff on side A, although the Marx/Eldritch side B is better, IMHO). Nine While Nine, Amphetamine Logic and Marian are just great.

I saw them live a few years back (a lot later than you, Andy), but they were still good. Would love an Eldritch/Marx/Adams reunion. Maybe even throw Gunn/Hussey in there too. Seems more likely that Hook would rejoin New Order than that happening though.

I've never really spotted similarities between 'Amen Yves' and The Sisters. However, I think I've probably become quite 'blind' to similarities, due to liking both bands independently for years.

I do recommend checking out other stuff by For Against though.

If you want the darker stuff, the first LP ('Echelons') and aforementioned compilation 'In The Marshes' are the ones to go to. If you want something a little bit lighter, the second LP ('December') should serve you well.

In respect of Ms Dax, I've liked a handful of her tracks (Cathouse, White Knuckle Ride, Big Hollow Man etc.) but, yes, there are definitely 'other reasons' for liking her.

Haven’t checked in on this thread for a while but I see there’s been a lot of chat about Xymox.Yes I remember them well and I was really into that Clan Of Xymox LP they released in 1985, I used to play that a lot with songs like A Day and Stranger being stand out songs,great stuff back in the day. The last album of theirs I bought would’ve been Medusa I guess back in about 1986? Kind of lost track of them after that and I didn’t even know they were still together and that they’ve been doing many albums in the years since.

Fotz wrote: Haven’t checked in on this thread for a while but I see there’s been a lot of chat about Xymox.Yes I remember them well and I was really into that Clan Of Xymox LP they released in 1985, I used to play that a lot with songs like A Day and Stranger being stand out songs,great stuff back in the day. The last album of theirs I bought would’ve been Medusa I guess back in about 1986? Kind of lost track of them after that and I didn’t even know they were still together and that they’ve been doing many albums in the years since.

vinyl version of peel sessions coming soon:

https://www.discogs.com/Clan-Of-Xymox-The-John-Peel-Sessions/release/17406175

Clan Of Xymox ‎– The John Peel Sessions Label: Dark Entries ‎– DE-280 Format: Vinyl, LP, Album, Reissue, Remastered Country: US Released: 19 Mar 2021 Genre: Electronic, Rock Style: New Wave, Goth Rock, Darkwave Tracklist A1 Stranger 5:30 A2 Muscoviet Mosquito 3:59 A3 Seventh Time 4:45 B1 After The Call 7:20 B2 Agonised By Love 5:03 B3 Mesmerised 6:16 Total Time: 32:53

lots of hit and miss on their albums, depends on what you like in their sound.

also, muscoviet mosquito is probably their best non-album song, that i liked.

later -1

clan of xymox - muscoviet mosquito

later -1

negative1 wrote: clan of xymox - muscoviet mosquito

later -1

This is pretty great.

It reminds me of this underrated / mostly unknown track, especially the bassline:

Incidentally, the above track features friend of New Order and former Mr Factory Berlin, Mark Reeder. I believe Die Unbekannten changed their name to Shark Vegas (who Bernard produced).

On the subject of Mr Reeder, I’m going to use this opportunity to gush over his film “B-Movie: Lust and Sound in West Berlin 1979-1989” which is thoroughly excellent. I know I’ve mentioned it before here, but it’s really worth labouring the point, that if you haven’t watched it, do so. Especially if you have an interest in 1980s alternative music / West Berlin.

negative1 wrote:

Fotz wrote: Haven’t checked in on this thread for a while but I see there’s been a lot of chat about Xymox.Yes I remember them well and I was really into that Clan Of Xymox LP they released in 1985, I used to play that a lot with songs like A Day and Stranger being stand out songs,great stuff back in the day. The last album of theirs I bought would’ve been Medusa I guess back in about 1986? Kind of lost track of them after that and I didn’t even know they were still together and that they’ve been doing many albums in the years since.

vinyl version of peel sessions coming soon:

https://www.discogs.com/Clan-Of-Xymox-The-John-Peel-Sessions/release/17406175

Clan Of Xymox ‎– The John Peel Sessions Label: Dark Entries ‎– DE-280 Format: Vinyl, LP, Album, Reissue, Remastered Country: US Released: 19 Mar 2021 Genre: Electronic, Rock Style: New Wave, Goth Rock, Darkwave Tracklist A1 Stranger 5:30 A2 Muscoviet Mosquito 3:59 A3 Seventh Time 4:45 B1 After The Call 7:20 B2 Agonised By Love 5:03 B3 Mesmerised 6:16 Total Time: 32:53

lots of hit and miss on their albums, depends on what you like in their sound.

also, muscoviet mosquito is probably their best non-album song, that i liked.

later -1

Clan of Xymox/Xymox have a few other non-album tracks that are well worth hearing:

Scum Released on an EP between 2nd and 3rd albums, it was their first hint of a dance oriented direction. I've never found a version other than the "Dance Mix".

Shame Blind Hearts b-side. A bit more of an industrial edge with vocals by both Ronny and Anka.

Twisted B-side to Phoenix of My Heart. Another excellent ballad from Anka. I guess she had surplus to what ended up on the album.

All Fold Up Another b-side to Phoenix of My Heart. Sounds like classic Peter Gabriel, or perhaps the synthy side of Joshua Tree era U2. If you're open to that stuff, this is great.

Dreamhouse B-side to At the End of the Day. Housey track that is made distinctive by the breathy vocals of Anka.

Down to Earth Another b-side to At the End of the Day. Solid track that probably was just too similar in mood to a couple of other tracks on the Phoenix album to make the cut.

Soul Free B-side to Dream On, Ronny's first,essentially solo, release after the band split. Synth pop with moderately gritty guitar that is indicative of the 3rd and 4th albums. He sounds optimistic here. It's too bad he didn't continue, at least partially (as he also does gloom so well) in this style...

negative1 wrote: clan of xymox - muscoviet mosquito

This is the only song I know by Clan of Xymox, because it was on the 1987 4AD compilation, Lonely Is An Eyesore. I preferred some of the other tracks from: This Mortal Coil, The Cocteaus and Dead Can Dance. So I never investigated Xymox any further. The next album I bought after this comp was probably Substance.

Andy wrote:

negative1 wrote:

Fotz wrote: Haven’t checked in on this thread for a while but I see there’s been a lot of chat about Xymox.Yes I remember them well and I was really into that Clan Of Xymox LP they released in 1985, I used to play that a lot with songs like A Day and Stranger being stand out songs,great stuff back in the day. The last album of theirs I bought would’ve been Medusa I guess back in about 1986? Kind of lost track of them after that and I didn’t even know they were still together and that they’ve been doing many albums in the years since.

vinyl version of peel sessions coming soon:

https://www.discogs.com/Clan-Of-Xymox-The-John-Peel-Sessions/release/17406175

Clan Of Xymox ‎– The John Peel Sessions Label: Dark Entries ‎– DE-280 Format: Vinyl, LP, Album, Reissue, Remastered Country: US Released: 19 Mar 2021 Genre: Electronic, Rock Style: New Wave, Goth Rock, Darkwave Tracklist A1 Stranger 5:30 A2 Muscoviet Mosquito 3:59 A3 Seventh Time 4:45 B1 After The Call 7:20 B2 Agonised By Love 5:03 B3 Mesmerised 6:16 Total Time: 32:53

lots of hit and miss on their albums, depends on what you like in their sound.

also, muscoviet mosquito is probably their best non-album song, that i liked.

later -1

They have a few other non-able tracks that are well worth hearing:

Scum Released on an EP between 2nd and 3rd albums, it was their first hint of a dance oriented direction. I've never found a version other than the "Dance Mix".

Shame Blind Hearts b-side. A bit more of an industrial edge with vocals by both Ronny and Anka.

Twisted B-side to Phoenix of My Heart. Another excellent ballad from Anka. I guess she had surplus to what ended up on the album.

All Fold Up Another b-side to Phoenix of My Heart. Sounds like classic Peter Gabriel, or perhaps the synthy side of Joshua Tree era U2. If you're open to that stuff, this is great.

Dreamhouse B-side to At the End of the Day. Housey track that is made distinctive by the breathy vocals of Anka.

Down to Earth Another b-side to At the End of the Day. Solid track that probably was just too similar in mood to a couple of other tracks on the Phoenix album to make the cut.

Soul Free B-side to Dream On, Ronny's first,essentially solo, release after the band split. Synth pop with moderately gritty guitar that is indicative of the 3rd and 4th albums. He sounds optimistic here. It's too bad he didn't continue, at least partially (as he also does gloom so well) in this style...

nice list, i've heard a few those back in the vinyl days, some of those made it to cd i think.

but twist of shadows was the final straw for me, way too commercial and bland, and i couldn't stand imagination.

but i did like back door, as the only song from medusa, wish there was a remix of it:

later -1

Back Door is great, but from Medusa (and possibly their entire catalogue) it's got to be Louise for me. A "Darkwave" (as John Peel described them) classic with an epic, dramatic feel and emotive lyrics and vocals about a girl that ran poor old Ronny through the ringer. The way the bass is presented in the mix has always intrigued me.

But then I also really like Michelle from that album. Which is probably too poppy for your tastes. Well, "poppy" in an quirky Siouxsie/Cure way, at least.

these guys aren't clones or are they.

this came out in 1979, and sounds like an early blue monday (the first part):

later -1

negative1 wrote: these guys aren't clones or are they.

this came out in 1979, and sounds like an early blue monday (the first part):

later -1

It seems like we've been here before.

If I were Gerry I would have sued for royalties. When you consider that Hooky said NO made more money out of Shut Up & Drive (using Blue Monday chords) than the entire WFTSC album, then you have some idea how well NO have ultimately done out out of BM (sleeve issues aside). Gerry has potentially missed out on a fortune here.

Not exactly a revolutionary chord sequence.

I know this song from the Rolling Stones cover version. But this is the original from 1962:

Fortune Teller

depthcharge wrote:

Hailed from Brisbane so I bet Dennis Remmer has some stories.

I do!

We managed to get them to reform when we launched our BNE Book (in which they're heavily featured) in 2014 ... much fun. I've known Dave & co since about 1989 and we're in touch quite regularly. Here are some pix from that night - that's me in the last shot.

Before they left for Sydney they gigged regularly around Brisbane, and we'd often catch them in the most random of places with a tiny audience at the same time they were charting on the US dance charts. Still have some handy artefacts from the time.

Dave has been busy re-issuing the Vertigo-period singles which you can find on Bandcamp here and Vertigo itself (which for me is a very essential album in my collection) has just been remastered and reissued.

D

Dennis Remmer wrote:

depthcharge wrote:

Hailed from Brisbane so I bet Dennis Remmer has some stories.

I do!

We managed to get them to reform when we launched our BNE Book (in which they're heavily featured) in 2014 ... much fun. I've known Dave & co since about 1989 and we're in touch quite regularly. Here are some pix from that night - that's me in the last shot.

Before they left for Sydney they gigged regularly around Brisbane, and we'd often catch them in the most random of places with a tiny audience at the same time they were charting on the US dance charts. Still have some handy artefacts from the time.

Dave has been busy re-issuing the Vertigo-period singles which you can find on Bandcamp here and Vertigo itself (which for me is a very essential album in my collection) has just been remastered and reissued.

D

I knew you'd come through :)

That'd be you backstage in the New Order tee as well, no doubt?

Heard Dave interviewed recently on Mixcloud by Mark Dynamix (Electronique). Another big NO fan. It was amusing to hear there are some early lost Boxcar tracks that only now exist on cassette, care of their first demo release. Thus making them quite hard to find, let alone remaster.

depthcharge wrote:

That'd be you backstage in the New Order tee as well, no doubt?

Well it would be 😄

depthcharge wrote: It was amusing to hear there are some early lost Boxcar tracks that only now exist on cassette, care of their first demo release. Thus making them quite hard to find, let alone remaster.

Got plans for those... Vision Four 5's early Brisbane stuff is imminent too.

D

Dennis Remmer wrote: Vision Four 5's early Brisbane stuff is imminent too.

V45 Deep Fantasy Redux is releasing this Friday.

Also Dave Boxcar is doing a promo event with Mark Dynamix in SYD and BNE for their current reissues. Will be at the Brissie one.

Cool things going on downunder...

The Killers have that link to New Order but rarely sound like them. This is from their new LP and is one where you definitely can hear the JD/NO influence.

In the Car Outside