I have listened to every mix of this song, from the original through all the remixes, and I just don't see the point of any of them aside from the Maceo Plex mix. The rest of them just move around the various elements, and don't really improve on what started off sounding like a Bad Lieutenant one-off. I had hopes (misplaced given his post 86 work with the band) for the Arthur Baker version. But at least the Plex mix is interesting and goes in some different more experimental directions. I wasn't familiar with him but checked out his stuff after listening to his version of BAR--quite liked "Cinemax" and could envision an alternate reality where NO was more electronically experimental again. But then maybe we wouldn't have Tutti Fruti which is my favorite track since Technique and one of my top ten in general. Can't wait for the next proper full length. Go City
"Be A Rebel" CD single???
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Subvulture wrote: I have listened to every mix of this song, from the original through all the remixes, and I just don't see the point of any of them aside from the Maceo Plex mix. The rest of them just move around the various elements, and don't really improve on what started off sounding like a Bad Lieutenant one-off. .
You were doing so well. And then this:
Subvulture wrote: Go City
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Speaking of what Be A Rebel sounds like... Way back in 1989 I remember thinking that Run sounded like John Demver. I had been subjected to his greatest hits in the family car from about the age of 11, so was very familiar with (some of) his stuff. I think I must be the only NO fan who wasn't surprised when legal action followed.
In one of Hooky's instagram chats he said there are teams of people who check simlarities for songs. Anf there's a rule that if there's somethibg like 7 or more notes out of every 12 that are the same, then there's a case for plagiarism.
Anyway I haven't counted the notes, but I think Be A Rebel sounds like this Coldplay song. Really quite a lot.
Ordered the x2 12”. From what I could work out , the CD has versions that I already have and/or will have once I have the x2 12” so didn't order the CD. The x2 12” comes with a download code of all the tracks featured on the two vinyl according to the blurb. Couldn’t log into my Mute account and when prompted to reset my password it wouldn’t rec my my email . Gave up and ordered from the nasty Amazon.
My CD arrived today.
Pretty nice packaging. Triple gatefold sleeve. Silver cover sticker.
It's 'oversized', being about 1/3rd more than the average CD single case. Which is nice to look at, but will be annoying to store (won't fit a CD rack).
It also came with a separate Mute logo silver sticker, which was nice. I've said it before, but I'm glad that New Order are on Mute now. No, they're not Factory, but they're the next best thing.
Haven't played the CD yet. To be honest, I bought it because of compulsion to buy NO items. I can't see me ever playing all the mixes back to back. Still, a nice item to have.
I have the same problem with the Beatles. I've heard around half the stuff I own. I'm convinced that buying New Order releases is more fun than listening to the boring shit.
F&ck I forgot about this. CD single time! So Mute Bank at £10.00 seems to be the cheapest in the UK, but then there's £3.49 postage. Bleep.com at £10.50 is pretty close. Maybe they have cheaper postage than Mute? Anyone know? You have to register, and boy am I sick of registering with companies on the internet...
A couple of the previously unheard remixes. I imagine these videos will be playable after midnight in whatever time zone you are in. If you're in New Zealand, that might be now.
JakoJako remix
Melawati remix
Debaser wrote: F&ck I forgot about this. CD single time! So Mute Bank at £10.00 seems to be the cheapest in the UK, but then there's £3.49 postage. Bleep.com at £10.50 is pretty close. Maybe they have cheaper postage than Mute? Anyone know?
I got mine from Mute. £13.49 inc. postage.
Amazon.co.uk have it for £11.99 and I guess you can opt for free postage, either through Prime, or by waiting a couple more days (do Amazon still do that - free postage if you're prepared to wait longer?).
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Be-Rebel-Remixed-New-Order/dp/B0941VT1RS
BTW, in case anyone is interested, the 'Paul Woolford Remix New Order Edit' on the CD is different from the 'Paul Woolford Remix Edit' that was on the digital 'Remixes, Part 1' release.
6:41 on the CD, 4:07 on the digital release. Not sure what the differences are though, as still ain't listened to it yet.
Also, the two Bernard Renegade mixes appear to be the 'newer' versions (as expected), rather than the older version on the original 12".
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So, by my reckoning then, there are currently four remixes that are not on the CD:
Bernard's Renegade Mix (Vinyl version) 6:34 Bernard's Renegade Instrumental (Vinyl version) 6:35 Paul Woolford Remix Edit (4:07) Maceo Plex Edit (5:26)
Oh yeah forgot about this. Ordered the x2 12” from Amazon a month or so back because I couldn’t log into my Mute account . Checked the status of my order just now and it says delivery , erm, not til next Wednesday ![[ohwell]](/emoticons/ohwell.gif){kind=small}
I actually very much like the JakoJako and Melawati remixes. Melawati's Has a Burial and Bicep dark electro feel, and JakoJako's remix reminds me of early 'Selected Ambient Works 85-92' era Aphex Twin. Not likely to appeal to those who prefer New Order remixes to retain the structure and content of the original songs, but these break up the endless other remixes quite well on the CD and 2 x 12".
Mr Discography wrote: I actually very much like the JakoJako and Melawati remixes. Melawati's Has a Burial and Bicep dark electro feel, and JakoJako's remix reminds me of early 'Selected Ambient Works 85-92' era Aphex Twin. Not likely to appeal to those who prefer New Order remixes to retain the structure and content of the original songs, but these break up the endless other remixes quite well on the CD and 2 x 12".
How have you heard em already? VPN?
*EDIT* D'oh that was a silly question; you probably just received the remixes in the post today/Thursday like Perspex Orange did. Well, actually today has just turned Friday now, so the videos I embedded a few posts above can indeed now be played.
These two previously unheard remixes are certainly very 21st Century.
JakoJako's has a nice sort of surging moodiness to it, using bits of the original guitar with subtle hints of acid. I think this might be refered to as "vibes". It does kinda feel like an edit though, I thought it would be longer and eh, go further.
Melawati's remix really chops up the vocal. It also seems to pitch Bernard's voice down so that he sounds uncannily like Damon Albarn. The repeated use of "take a look at yourself" again and again does start to jar for me. In fact the only other line used is "and I want to know". But yes I can hear the Burial/Bicep type production.
JakoJako's mix probably appeals to me more out of thee two; it's too bad it isn't longer. Incidentally I'm liking some of her other productions too. And as a bonus, she's kinda easy on the eye (cheesy comment alert).
As for CD Prices (in the UK) I came up with:
Amazon: 11.99 + 3.99 = £15.98 Total (can't find cheaper postage unless I sign up to Prime) Mute: 10.00 + 3.49 = £13.49 Total Piccadilly 10.99 + 1.66 = £12.65 Total Norman Records 10.50 + 4.99 = £15.49 Bleep 10.49 + 2.09 = £12.55 Drift: 10.99 + 1.50 = 12.49 Total
I went for Picadilly Records - not quite the cheapest option but they've been good before, and only a few pennies more than Drift (who?) and Bleep.
Fotz wrote: Oh yeah forgot about this. Ordered the x2 12” from Amazon a month or so back because I couldn’t log into my Mute account . Checked the status of my order just now and it says delivery , erm, not til next Wednesday
Amazon the buggers tried to deliver today afterall, not next Wednesday. Alas, I wasn’t home and anyway I thought I’d selected delivery to an Amazon locker, not my house😕 . Clicked the AutoRip link in the email in the end and downloaded to the Amazon Music app. Guess they’ll try again tomorrow to deliver the vinyl. Who knows.
Quick run through the mixes that were previously unreleased. Not sure on first listen. Will give em more time over the weekend.
Ha!, I’d just stepped out my front door around 7pm tonight to go out to the supermarket when the delivery guy pulled up outside with my parcel to attempt redelivery. Brilliant. If I’d gone out a minute earlier I’d have missed him yet again . Friday night sorted with a few beers and new vinyl ![[:)]](/emoticons/smile.gif){kind=small}
Taken quite a new liking to the Paul Woodhouse remix new order edit, though is there a new bit to the intro on this one over the previous release version? Can’t remember now. JakoJako mix is pretty cool and tasteful though yes like Debaser said it could have done with being a bit longer . Melawati mix yes has a bit of a Bicep thing and I get what you’re saying D about the vocal pitch a bit Damon Albarn.Not sure I’m hearing any Burial or Aphex Twin in those JakoJako and Melawati mixes
Actually the first time I’ve heard the Arthur Baker mix as I hadn’t bothered clicking the YouTube link months ago. It’s possibly my least favourite though, just found it uninspiring.Mark Reeder’s Dirty Devil mix is alright I suppose if you want something a bit faster and livelier.
Fotz wrote: Taken quite a new liking to the Paul Woodhouse remix new order edit, though is there a new bit to the intro on this one over the previous release version?
Paul Woolford (aka "Special Request"). Yes this longer edit seems to be even more BLT-ish than the shorter 4 minute edit we heard previously.
Be a Rebel (Paul Woolford Remix New Order Edit)
Fotz wrote: Actually the first time I’ve heard the Arthur Baker mix
For anyone wondering what I meant by BAR sounding like Coldplay's Viva La Vida (embedded on previous page), I think this mix demonstrates best what I meant. Try singing the "when I rule the world" part of Viva La Vida over the intro below from 0.45 to 1.30.
perspexorange wrote:
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So, by my reckoning then, there are currently four remixes that are not on the CD:
Bernard's Renegade Mix (Vinyl version) 6:34 Bernard's Renegade Instrumental (Vinyl version) 6:35 Paul Woolford Remix Edit (4:07) Maceo Plex Edit (5:26)
New Order - Be A Rebel (Mark Reeder's Cheeky Devil Remix)
Debaser wrote: [ For anyone wondering what I meant by BAR sounding like Coldplay's Viva La Vida (embedded on previous page), I think this mix demonstrates best what I meant. Try singing the "when I rule the world" part of Viva La Vida over the intro below from 0.45 to 1.30.
Yep - I can totally see what you mean.
perspexorange wrote: BTW, in case anyone is interested, the 'Paul Woolford Remix New Order Edit' on the CD is different from the 'Paul Woolford Remix Edit' that was on the digital 'Remixes, Part 1' release.
6:41 on the CD, 4:07 on the digital release. Not sure what the differences are though, as still ain't listened to it yet.
*Almost* solves the mystery of which mix Pete Tong played on Radio One last December.
Recall at the time there were some catchy beefed-up-house-piano-solo-then-vocoder-into-drums elements we hadn't heard before. These are present at 4:05 of the 'Paul Woolford Remix New Order Edit'.
The broadcast sequence doesn't exactly match the remix, though. Possibly just Tong looping/mashing up the 'New Order Edit' (unless there's still a full 'Paul Woolford Remix' out there somewhere).
Be A Rebel: 4:48 12" | CD-R promo | CDS | DD
Be A Rebel (Edit): 3:35 CD-R promo | CDS | DD
Be A Rebel (Maceo Plex Remix): 6:56 2x12" | CDS | DD
Be A Rebel (Maceo Plex Remix Edit): 5:27 [Stream/rip only - New Order YouTube]
Be A Rebel (Paul Woolford Remix Edit): 4:07 DD
Be A Rebel (Paul Woolford Remix New Order Edit): 6:41 2x12" | CDS | DD
Be A Rebel (Bernard's Outlaw Mix): 6:41 2x12" | CDS | DD
Be A Rebel (Renegade Spezial Edit): 3:09 2x12" | CDS | DD
Be A Rebel (Renegade Spezial Edit - Adidas version): 1:35 [Stream/rip only - Adidas YouTube]
Be A Rebel (Bernard’s Renegade Mix): 6:25 CDS | DD
Be A Rebel (Bernard’s Renegade Mix - 12" version): 6:31 12"
Be A Rebel (Bernard’s Renegade Instrumental Mix): 6:18 CDS | DD
Be A Rebel (Bernard’s Renegade Instrumental Mix - 12" version): 6:31 12"
Be A Rebel (Stephen’s T34 Mix): 5:25 12" | CDS | DD
Be A Rebel (Mark Reeder's Dirty Devil Remix): 5:26 2x12" | CDS | DD
Be A Rebel (Mark Reeder's Cheeky Devil Remix): 4:44 DD [Mark Reeder album exclusive]
Be A Rebel (JakoJako Remix): 4:29 2x12" | CDS | DD
Be A Rebel (Melwati Remix): 5:17 2x12" | CDS | DD
Be A Rebel (Arthur Baker Remix): 8:07 2x12" | CDS | DD
Be A Rebel (Music Video Mix): 3:36 [Stream/rip only - New Order YouTube]
Debaser wrote:
Fotz wrote: Taken quite a new liking to the Paul Woodhouse remix new order edit, though is there a new bit to the intro on this one over the previous release version?
Paul Woolford (aka "Special Request"). Yes this longer edit seems to be even more BLT-ish than the shorter 4 minute edit we heard previously.
Woolford, sorry my bad. Yeah definitely a bit more BLT in there
So many remixes for such a middling song. And this is probably what they'll bow out with. 🙄
50poundnote wrote: So many remixes for such a middling song. And this is probably what they'll bow out with. 🙄
Agreed. The past year has the feel of a phased retirement. I know there is the PSB tour in Sept 2022, but been nothing to get excited about for years or lure me back to seeing them live in decent venues (not outdoor parks).
tapebias wrote: The past year has the feel of a phased retirement. I know there is the PSB tour in Sept 2022, but been nothing to get excited about for years or lure me back to seeing them live in decent venues (not outdoor parks).
2022 is 45 years as a performing band (the first Warsaw gig was 29 May 1977). Not many bands make it that far. It would be a nice, neat way to wrap things up.
Andy wrote: Amazon US delivery set for September 8th!
Not really in a hurry, to be fair.
Amazon was fucking with me. It was delivered today.
Sounded fairly decent in its live debut.... Barney's remix was a good choice. Arguably the best version?
Pretty cool bass. ![[blackeye]](/emoticons/blackeye.gif){kind=small}
Mr. Disco wrote: Sounded fairly decent in its live debut.... Barney's remix was a good choice. Arguably the best version?
Pretty cool bass.
Glad the song got a live outing - haven't played the YouTube link yet, but yes, Barney's Renegade Mix is by far and above the best best version. A classic New Order 12" mix - love that long extended outro. Not fond of his further modified "Outlaw" mix - that felt a bit busy and messy.
