Hooky's New Order Auction

Fotz wrote: What a cesspit, basket case shit hole of a country England is.

I quite agree. I used to think the knobheads were in the minority and just part and parcel of living in a free society but in the last few years I've come to realise they're actually the majority. I mean, look at the PM, a boorish, racist, bully boy. No wonder he won't condemn the racists, they're his key demographic when it comes to elections.

No actual war but.. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/13/scotland-yard-taskforce-chief-fears-violence-will-rise-as-lockdown-lifted

No famine but... https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/01/29/young-people-in-food-poverty-a-lost-generation/

and clean water for all? https://www.ccwater.org.uk/blog/2021/05/26/recommendations-unveiled-to-end-water-poverty-and-bolster-support-for-millions-of-household/

So, I guess, just because you're OK it doesn't mean there's no problems perspexorange. This country is a shit hole.

Coops wrote:

So, I guess, just because you're OK it doesn't mean there's no problems perspexorange. This country is a shit hole.

I didn't say that there weren't any problems in this country. There obviously are. I just said that it isn't a shithole.

The examples you posted are (presumably) issues that occur in most countries in the developed world.

Also, maybe it's just me, but I probably wouldn't compare the possible 'escalation of violence following lockdown' to the very real dangers faced by many people who are living in a literal war zone, dodging bullets, bombs and landmines every day.

I get the point you are illustrating, but my point is there are far worse places we could be living.

Maybe I'm just a 'glass half full' kind of person.

Anyway, that's the last I'll say on the issue. This probably isn't the best place to discuss complicated matters and no one wants to hear me witter on about stuff I'm, admittedly, not best at articulating.

England is total and utter fucking shit.

The Shadow wrote:

Michael Monkhouse wrote:

The Shadow wrote: All start at £100

PUNK!

Yeah that’s why I won’t be bidding. Way too pricey. Be nice if they were all put up on a website for us all to download. Maybe the winner if they visit this forum could do that!

how is that pricey, considering what it is.

granted, it will go for much more. but thats what it should be.

if it was cheap, it would be stuff we've already heard.

(not that i'm bidding, but if i had the money i would).

later -1

Redickless innt https://www.facebook.com/events/317389130091255/?ref=newsfeed

https://bid.omegaauctions.co.uk/auction/details/A168-peter-hook-the-new-order-collection/?au=45&fbclid=IwAR0hC1pX\_6k4-WGLcTTWWco0vMSHt1K-XAlj\_XVIbte7Mlp2Oj8B2WOwyjk

prog99 wrote: https://bid.omegaauctions.co.uk/auction/details/A168-peter-hook-the-new-order-collection/?au=45&fbclid=IwAR0hC1pX\_6k4-WGLcTTWWco0vMSHt1K-XAlj\_XVIbte7Mlp2Oj8B2WOwyjk

28% fee added to the hammer price. Ouch!

Hooky's done little blurbs for most of these items. It really looks like a retirement acution, he's even getting rid of records by other people. Albums by Iggy, Bowie, Throbbing Gristle, Talking Heads. 7"s by Kraftwerk, Blondie, Stranglers, Malcolm McLaren... Lots of NO records of course.- including acetates, test pressings and metal stamper plates.

Some of the equipment is surprisng. Not only lots of bass's/guitars (can he play a normal guitar?), but cabinets/racks full of equiment and his "The End" setup. There's a New Order Apple Computer. Hooky: When Steve Morris gave me these after the split I said, "What am I supposed to do with this lot?" he said, "This is what happens in a divorce." In fact there's more than one computer and back up hard drives too (for playing live presumably?)

New Order studio tape reels! With comments from Hooky like "1987 was a good year, just knocking ‘Technique’ into shape." I wonder if "the others" have had a look at this lot...

And for another tape reel, the comment: "Found hidden behind a false wall in the Doves rehearsal room in our old Cheetham Hill rehearsal room and kindly gifted to me by them. Our first gig and the backing tape made to replace Ian Curtis. I had never been so frightened, since the first gig as ‘Warsaw’, supporting the Buzzcocks. There is a photo of the Beach Club at Oozits in the photograph collection. Funny how we went from being the ‘No-Names’ to the ‘Fighting over The Name’. Martin Hannett JD reels too!

Hooky's comments on the BIg Day Out Package (he covers this in his book, but sightly different here): We won the Bowling Competition hooray! I say we... meaning me and the road crew. Ken West and Viv Lees gave us a wonderful time here at the so called ‘Big Day Off’. We nearly didn’t make it... Steve decided three weeks away, it was just too much. I was devastated... what a thing to miss out on... I said to Barney, "What a shame it would have been great." He said, “It still will be. I’ll get the guy who did Electronic to do it." Wow! I thought... this bastard will be getting rid of me next! Steve relented thankfully, which was great because I’ve never heard a drummer on Electronic.

I'm tempted by the Little Lewey statuette and the Substance platinum disc(s) award. Maybe I shouldn't flag 'em up here...

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The Atari mega file is an odd one. Steve only ever spoke about using apple kit.

i'm ready.

theres a few choice items i'm looking at. hoping they wont go into the thousands of pounds.

i can deal with hundreds maybe.

later -1

Ex-New Order star Peter Hook flogging legal papers from legendary band’s bitter split

I must have missed the Legal Papers auction lot. Did we know about this particular 'item'?

Buyers can now “read for yourself what the fight was about and decide who was right and who was wrong”, the lot description says.

I'm not quite sure they've quite got the reasons right about why Hooky left, but...meh, whatever.

Hooky’s like the turd that won’t flush

Well.... £100 certainly sounds like a bargain for this lot (I'd pay that fot the Republic demos alone)

https://bid.omegaauctions.co.uk/auction/lot/lot-402---new-order-assorted-cassettes/?lot=14813&so=0&st=&sto=0&au=45&ef=&et=&ic=False&sd=0&pp=48&pn=9&g=1

NEW ORDER ASSORTED CASSETTES Twelve cassettes to include Republic demos from Nov' 92, Substance 1995 (empty case), 1998 demos cassette, The Rest of New Order double cassette, Dreams Never End bootleg cassette and seven unknown live recordings from unidentified venues/years. A lucky dip for somebody!

Mr. Disco wrote: Well.... £100 certainly sounds like a bargain for this lot (I'd pay that fot the Republic demos alone)

https://bid.omegaauctions.co.uk/auction/lot/lot-402---new-order-assorted-cassettes/?lot=14813&so=0&st=&sto=0&au=45&ef=&et=&ic=False&sd=0&pp=48&pn=9&g=1

NEW ORDER ASSORTED CASSETTES Twelve cassettes to include Republic demos from Nov' 92, Substance 1995 (empty case), 1998 demos cassette, The Rest of New Order double cassette, Dreams Never End bootleg cassette and seven unknown live recordings from unidentified venues/years. A lucky dip for somebody!

I assure you if I'm able to purchase that lot I'll be sharing with whoever's interested...you're not the only one that's been looking for the Republic demos. Although the tape says keyboard only...no vox. Might not be that great in the end...

I can only presume the Republic demos will be a copy of the 4 tracks mentioned in the past that were circulating as Factory demos.

Will be interesting to know what turns up on these!

Keep us posted

There's a whole host of auctions I'm interested in. The demos, live recordings, rehearsals etc.

That being said, I can't see myself putting in a bid. I think they'll probably go for a lot more than I would be able to pay and I hate being disappointed in things like this.

The Republic demos would be interesting. I always got the impression it started as classic New Order with Regret, Everyone Everywhere and Special, but then Bernard and Steve took over. He is a fucking deluded little Fucking fucker though, innee.

Michael Monkhouse wrote: The Republic demos would be interesting. I always got the impression it started as classic New Order with Regret, Everyone Everywhere and Special, but then Bernard and Steve took over. He is a fucking deluded little Fucking fucker though, innee.

Pascal Gabriel is credited with "Pre-Production" on Regret and Young Offender (which I think would have been a better single choice than either Ruined in a Day or Spooky), so presumably those two were the only ones started before Hague was brought in.

I think Everyone Everywhere is actually one of the worst tracks, by the way. Plodding, cloying and lumpy.

Nothing like Liar, then. It's a theory I had cos in 92 Hooky told MM the next album would showcase a harder sound to the band and he namechecked EE. Regret, Special and EE are the closest to the blueprint and the only ones they played live (except the mandatory singles) and the ones Stephen mentioned to Select as 'meaning the most to me'. Young Offender is a frustrating track. It has all the elements of a strong NO track, but just doesn't come off somehow.

There’s a handful of fairly decent tracks on Republic. Young Offender and World, for instance.

But Regret and Special are where the real magic is. Wonderful tracks and amongst the band’s very best.

I ain't having this fucking conversation again.

perspexorange wrote: There's a whole host of auctions I'm interested in. The demos, live recordings, rehearsals etc.

That being said, I can't see myself putting in a bid. I think they'll probably go for a lot more than I would be able to pay and I hate being disappointed in things like this.

if i win any of them, i will definitely share them.

that being said. i wish we could pool some money together to insure that we get some of them.

otherwise, i might have to spend it all on one item.

i'm mostly interested in the low-life, and especially the power corruption and lies era.

later -1

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Pretty good. Ta for the link, D.

Just watching it makes me feel a little sad. I've said it before, but I'm not sure why he wants to part with some of this stuff.

I know he's probably discussed this with his family at length, but I know if he was my dad, I'd be wanting some of that stuff to stay in the family. For me, for my kids, and their kids. He made history. I guess nothing will ever change that, but it would be nice to have some tangible reminder of Mr Hook's immense legacy.

Just keep the BB1200S and the Blue Monday anvil, Hooky! (Or better still, donate them to me and I'll look after them on semi-permanent loan. ;-) )

I would definitely keep the original Yamaha bass, not sure why he's selling it. There's a lot of tat though, awards and such like.

Also, he never met U2 when they were 15. His book is littered with these inconsistencies which makes me question the authenticity of what he says/sells.

Some of the JD auction were re-purchased items from Ebay such as the green melodicas which he's still flogging, and the 'Atmosphere chimes' which Jeremy Vine bought for £7000 only for Steve to reveal it was a tambourine he used.

Nice Gucci loafers though. Salford Rules!

And by a curious coincidence this cums out now https://www.nme.com/news/music/peter-hook-says-his-last-gig-with-new-order-was-the-most-miserable-night-of-my-life-3063020

It's so irritating that there's always *that guy* (and it's ALWAYS a guy) whining on New Order's social media "it's not the same without Hooky!"

He announced his split on May 4, 2007, so he's now been out of the band longer than the time between Unknown Pleasures and Republic.

If you want to take it a little further, it's only 9 months shy of the distance between An Ideal For Living and Reading '93.

50poundnote wrote: It's so irritating that there's always *that guy* (and it's ALWAYS a guy) whining on New Order's social media "it's not he same without Hooky!"

He announced his split on May 4, 2007, so he's now been out of the band longer than the time between Unknown Pleasures and Republic.

If you want to take it a little further, it's only 9 months shy of the distance between An Ideal For Living and Reading '93.

If you haven't told that guy on social media, now would be the time. Screenshots please!

Debaser wrote: If you haven't told that guy on social media, now would be the time. Screenshots please!

I usually don’t engage them, but I might post this in response sometime.

*That Guy* was stood behind me at Heaton Park. 😒

maybe i'm that guy. but i wasnt at heaton.

good luck to everyone on the auction. i'm priced out of most items already.

yikes!

later -1