Skip to content

Selfridges

Archived

33 replies · 30,687 views

This is an archived legacy thread. Replies are closed, but the discussion is preserved.
← Back to Digital Republic
34 posts ↑ First post Latest post ↓
· edited

perspexorange wrote: Any millionaires amongst us?:

https://www.selfridges.com/GB/en/cat/?freeText=edit+factory+records&srch=Y

there's actually quite a few cool things in there, that aren't that bad.

the slipmats, a couple of shirts, the candles, the cap, etc.

will be ordering some of them at some point.

thanks for the heads up.

later -1

1 1 like

WTF?

1 1 like

They're really not iconic enough to warrant this kind of crap. Give it to charity, you arrogant, deluded little wankers.

1 1 like

Well, I totally see your point.

I do think, however, they probably are 'iconic enough'. There can't be too many bands which have been around for as long as they have, shifted that many records and still held in fairly high regard.

Once you factor in the 'design' element of the band (i.e. Saville, Factory, Haç etc.), there is also a definite imagery that merchandisers can draw from. Think of some of their peers (The Cure, Depeche Mode etc.). Although they must sell a fair amount of merchandise in the way of T-shirts etc., there isn't anywhere near a definite 'marketable brand' like there is with JD/NO. Just take Unknown Pleasures, PC&L, Factory and Haç imagery. You could apply that to anything (JD oven gloves etc.). Then you have the True Faith leaf, the BM floppy etc.

That being said, I think it's all becoming bloated and extremely unpalatable. Especially at those prices. I long for a return to the Factory days.

In the band's defence, they're probably not even aware of this crap. They have a marketing team responsible for this and probably the only thing they see is a generic credit in their bank account from 'New Order Ltd.' (or similar).

Again though, it was nice when the band did care about such stuff and every product release was evaluated by them prior to hitting the streets. Still those yachts and Ferraris don't buy themselves....

1 1 like

I'll stick with my oven gloves. Someone's lost the plot, if they ever had it.

Top marks for the £700 footstool that looks like something from the Lego shop or Argos for £650 less. Cummins can do one as well.

1 1 like

It's my understanding that Warners owns the Factory Records brand. I don't think they need the blessing of the band members to sign off on these marketing partnerships.

1 1 like
· edited

Bang & Olufsen's Factory tie-in: MusicTech.net

2 2 likes

£700 for a frickin’ footstall? Excuse me?

1 1 like

That B&O link makes reference to it being Factory’s 40th anniversary.

My maths would point to it being a bit more than 40.

Any old excuse to fleece the punters, eh?

2 2 likes

It doesn't seem that long ago that there was some sort of lawsuit prohibiting the use of the Unknown Pleasures artwork mixed with the Death Star trench or Mickey Mouse on t-shirts etc (you can probably still get them somewhere) and yet here we are with essentially the same thing except this time it's 'authorised'. I mean, fair enough, if you want to give your sheckles to a company that has, essentially, stuck New Order/Factory all over any old crap go for it, you can underline the phrase that there really is one born every minute.

1 1 like

GotBlueEyes wrote: https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/singers/bernard-sumner-net-worth/

https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/richest-djs/peter-hook-net-worth/

Not bad going when you consider how much they threw down the shitter

I never know how accurate those things are but I don't begrudge them a penny of that, obviously. But where's Bernards ten mill more come from?

1 1 like

Coops wrote:

GotBlueEyes wrote: https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/singers/bernard-sumner-net-worth/

https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/richest-djs/peter-hook-net-worth/

Not bad going when you consider how much they threw down the shitter

I never know how accurate those things are but I don't begrudge them a penny of that, obviously. But where's Bernards ten mill more come from?

The Bad Lieutenant album [:d]

2 2 likes
· edited

GotBlueEyes wrote:

The Bad Lieutenant album [:d]

👍 Of course, I'm amazed Freebass didn't earn enough to level it up a bit. Ahem. But, assuming everything was split evenly until the, er, split then that's quite a difference. Maybe they're making more on Factory Records bog-roll holders and all that other shit than I thought. Fair play, I guess.

1 1 like

And how could you forget Revenge?

1 1 like

GotBlueEyes wrote:

Not bad going when you consider how much they threw down the shitter

And the fact they've done a grand total of one album worth a wank since 1991.

1 1 like

Coops wrote:

GotBlueEyes wrote:

The Bad Lieutenant album [:d]

👍 Of course, I'm amazed Freebass didn't earn enough to level it up a bit. Ahem. But, assuming everything was split evenly until the, er, split then that's quite a difference. Maybe they're making more on Factory Records bog-roll holders and all that other shit than I thought. Fair play, I guess.

Yeah joking aside, Bernard did have considerably more success with Electronic than any of the other solo projects across the band - but it's still quite a difference

My understanding is that the beef in the court case was always around Hooky's share of the spoils from the "brand" going foward. He left the band, but he still wanted to get a fair cut of the proceeds on those bog roll holders. Rightly so I'd say. You don't see any of the post Hooky stuff in that Selfridges swag do you?

1 1 like
· edited

Michael Monkhouse wrote: And how could you forget Revenge?

It was difficult but worth the effort. I'm sure Monaco earned him a few quid, mind. Hit singles, being on the telly, doing Mrs Merton (the tv show, not the...er...too much?)

1 1 like

GotBlueEyes wrote:

Coops wrote:

GotBlueEyes wrote:

The Bad Lieutenant album [:d]

👍 Of course, I'm amazed Freebass didn't earn enough to level it up a bit. Ahem. But, assuming everything was split evenly until the, er, split then that's quite a difference. Maybe they're making more on Factory Records bog-roll holders and all that other shit than I thought. Fair play, I guess.

Yeah joking aside, Bernard did have considerably more success with Electronic than any of the other solo projects across the band - but it's still quite a difference

My understanding is that the beef in the court case was always around Hooky's share of the spoils from the "brand" going foward. He left the band, but he still wanted to get a fair cut of the proceeds on those bog roll holders. Rightly so I'd say. You don't see any of the post Hooky stuff in that Selfridges swag do you?

Nothing to do with being post Hooky. It's a Factory Records tie-in.

Although he didn't gig nearly as much, Bernard most certainly earned and saved more money. A recurring theme in Hooky's New Order book is Bernard being tight with his money. Sadly, Hooky spent quite a bit of money on his substance abuse and recovery. He also mentions in the book that from Republic onwards, the group agreed to Bernard receiving a bigger share of New Order publishing as he was taking on the lyric writing himself.

1 1 like

The band doesn't make any money off this stuff. It's likely a licensing deal with Saville since he created the original work. It also doesn't mean he sees any more money than a flat fee, although considering his cultural impact, I'd be OK with him making some money. Lord knows he didn't during the Factory days.

2 2 likes

50poundnote wrote: The band doesn't make any money off this stuff.

Are you sure?

I own PC&L and Substance 1987 t-shirts (very reasonably priced, I might add) from H&M released in the last few years and they clearly have © 2018 New Order. underneath the main artwork.

Similarly, the Substance tote bag I bought from the Merch stall at the Ally Pally gig in 2018 surely gave the band some return?

The Factory stuff maybe not, but I imagine the band (inc. Hooky?) get some sort of percentage of the JD/NO related items on sale here.

1 1 like
· edited

NotAMod wrote: Are you sure?

Yes, you're correct - purely speculation on my part. But again, you're talking about official band merch similar to what the band sells in their online store. I don't see them branching into high-end items, but I could be wrong. I still think that's more likely to be a licensing deal with Saville (or Hook) since it's being promoted as Factory.

1 1 like

Andy wrote: in Hooky's New Order book.... He...mentions that from Republic onwards, the group agreed to Bernard receiving a bigger share of New Order publishing as he was taking on the lyric writing himself.

I suspect he took on more than the lyric writing. We know that Crystal and Unlearn This Hatred were originaly written for (or given to) other projects by Bernard, then re-tooled as NO songs. The credits on the NO recordings will list the whole band as writers, but in truth the whole band didn't write those songs. I suspect even back in the days when the "fab four" split royaties 25% each, Bernard was probably the chief songwriter. (U2 work a bit like this I beleive. Sometimes when Bono & Edge release a U2 song not recorded by the whole band -eg a session version/acoustic version- the songwriters will just be Bono/Edge, but on the band version they'll give a writing credit to the other 2 as well) .

Bear in mind also that when Hooky "went legal" it was against Bernard Sumner & others.

NotAMod wrote:

The Factory stuff maybe not, but I imagine the band (inc. Hooky?) get some sort of percentage of the JD/NO related items on sale here.

Am inclined to agree with this. Officially licenced NO stuff always has the New Order copyright thing.

Incidentally when Hooky was doing his Instagram chats last summer he mentioned an officially licenced Hacienda T-shirt avilable form BooHoo.com. I guess since he bought the name at the liquidation of the club he gets any £ from licenced Haci stuff.

1 1 like

They really are beyond deluded if they think they're worth that kinda money. Some good singles, nearly all in the 80s, and a refreshingly fuck you stance, which they haven't actually exhibited since 1897, but we're hardly talking a Lennon manuscript or a Hendrix plectrum. Pricks.

1 1 like

You're leaving NewOrderOnline

This link goes to an external website we don't operate, which has its own privacy policy and terms.

Destination:
Continue ↗