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I shall be there on Thursday & more than happy to share a beer with any other NewOrderOnliners.I'll try and research a few pubs round there this weekend-though A Jarvo's probably done that already ;)
Who supported last night by the way? Was the sound shit for them as well?
I'm off to Brixton on Wednesday. Don't know where to meet up though. I've never been to the academy before. I was standing next to that chunky slaphead. He reckoned they played Ceremony cos he told them to at the airport. Mind you, there were probably loads fitting that description - myself included (white rugby shirt if anyone spoke to me).
Originally posted by Seb Briggs I shall be there on Thursday & more than happy to share a beer with any other NewOrderOnliners.I'll try and research a few pubs round there this weekend-though A Jarvo's probably done that already ;)Who supported last night by the way? Was the sound shit for them as well?
Ill be there on Thursday too. I only live down the road so I feel I can talk with some knowledge and probably at great length about the many drinking establishments that Brixton has to offer. But I wont. Ill be in the Prince Albert on Coldharbour lane, by far one of the most relaxed boozers in the area. Left out of the tube, first left onto Coldharbour lane past the godawful Prince of Wales and a bit further down on the left. The nearest pubs to the Academy are the Beehive, just a run of the mill pub, it sells beer, what more do you need? and theres some big chain pub on the corner, cant remember if its still a Firkin or an O Neills or something?
The support band were nothing short of abismal. Their name was something like the Circus Rats (that's not a joke). The fist song passed and people just stood silent, then, people started to boo which was one of the highlights of the evening. When they finally gave up and went offstage the crowd started to cheer. Total and utter worthless support band I ever did see. What on earth posessed New Order to put these cretins on before them? - I realise they wouldn't have wanted a really good band on but this was shank manky.
The band actually looked like they'd walked off the streets without getting changed. I wished I could convey the lack of any quality but its impossible to put into words. Think 4 students singing The Rocky Horror Picture Show tunes to a Kraftwerk backing with scant regard for musical and clothing taste and your somewhere near.
At the end, they thanked New Order and the management for this opportunity... perhaps they should have poo'd in each others second hand baggy jumpers to give us all a better laugh.
Tossers.
Hunter I for one would eat my hat as promised and start buying N.M.E. again, if they ever had the nouse to employ you, for the massive salary you'd deserve.
Huntsman, you sound gutted mate. I'd have to say I'm more inclined to accept your view of the show last night. I just hope it's sorted for the rest of the shows.
The price of the tickets wasn't particuarly relevant,as I'd have basically paid whatever for a ticket-but you expect better than shit sound and shit support for £25
Shim Shim, if I was only afforded the opportunity to put the 'truth' onto the streets for the kids to read I'd do it for a bucket of muck.
I would of course have to invent a pseudo name... something like 'John Beans'.
Briggsy, I'm so upset about it I cannot begin to tell you. I've tried, but I have failed. I really really hope that none of you have to go through what we (I?) did last night... I was practically in tears at one stage and my old fella had to prop me up with various lengths of wood. The only thing keeping me from committing suicide in the comfort of the disabled toilet cubicle area at work is the reassurance that last nights debacle/fiasco/dog fest of untold proportions cannot coneivably be repeated in our lifetime. The probabilities are too miniscule. It would be like the chances of an asteroid striking Hooky on the conk at the beginning of Atmospheric Conditions.
For the forthcoming shows, god be with you all... he left us all last night to the mercy of one man, and that man at the controls must have been in some way related to the legendary near-sighted Steven Wonder. Why a wolf-hound could have manouvered the sound levels with more dexterity and precision.
If you trust the Huntsman, then you must belive my review. It hurts, but its the truth. And if it isn't, well then it should be.
I think Huntsman's a Douglas Sirk fan. Yeah, it was a mess in places, but not quite as bad as you're making out, fella!! Personally, I got my £25's worth during the hectic True Faith/Temptation readings. So delirious, in fact, that I can still literally ring the moisture out of last night's clobber.
Or perhaps I'm just a sweaty git.....
M.
Originally posted by martin fradley I think Huntsman's a Douglas Sirk fan. Yeah, it was a mess in places, but not quite as bad as you're making out, fella!! Personally, I got my £25's worth during the hectic True Faith/Temptation readings. So delirious, in fact, that I can still literally ring the moisture out of last night's clobber.Or perhaps I'm just a sweaty git.....M.
... Or perhaps you were "on one"
Just to clarify... it wasn't bad... it just wasn't as good as previous people were posting. My hang-up is with the bad sound, nothing else. Half-a-Bakers Dozen and the support band were most entertaining... Hooky was certainly on form... leaning over to the crowd and playing bass behind his back (nice).
I don't know who Douglas Smurf is? - if he's into baked snacks he'll do for me. Anyway, I don't copy anyone.
I don't know who this Dougie is either.On the subject of literature I've just finished only the third book I've read since school, 'The Catcher In The Rye'.My review is as follows.Not much happens, a teacher pats him on the head while he's asleep,don't get me wrong, this would spook me aswell, but if I was to write about it I wouldn't expect someone to shoot John Lennon.The rest of the themes explored seem to revolve around childhood, how precious an innocent view of the world is,and that writing 'fuck you' in public view isn't that respectful to children.Alternatively you could probably read it yourself in about 6 hours, as i did, and as said i've not practised reading that much.
Huntsy, I take it that you've never been to the Apollo before - because this is typical of the sound there. As for NO live shows, and I've seen a few, again, the sound is never going to be CD quality. It was the experience which made it so good. Barney wasn't pissed off - he was off his head - that might be where you are being mistaken. As for the crowd not being up for it - it is notoriously difficult in the Apollo - but the fact that there was nearly a crush at the front and Barney's warning to calm down shows you what the atmosphere at the front was like. I also disagree about RTS - which to most people around me (at the front) went down as a stormer? But each to their own. I am going to one of the London shows as well to compare the different venues, but I am sorely tempted to go again tonite to get another taste of the Apollo.
Most people thought the experience was worth it. The band played well - even if the sound was poor - but that's something that many NO fans have seen before.
Originally posted by Fac21 > Originally posted by martin fradley> I think Huntsman's a Douglas Sirk fan. Yeah, it was a mess in places, but not quite as bad as you're making out, fella!! Personally, I got my £25's worth during the hectic True Faith/Temptation readings. So delirious, in fact, that I can still literally ring the moisture out of last night's clobber.> > Or perhaps I'm just a sweaty git.....> > M.
... Or perhaps you were "on one"
It's friday afternoon and Facsy's thinking party smarties again ;)
Originally posted by Phil Lyons Huntsy, I take it that you've never been to the Apollo before - because this is typical of the sound there. As for NO live shows, and I've seen a few, again, the sound is never going to be CD quality. It was the experience which made it so good. Barney wasn't pissed off - he was off his head - that might be where you are being mistaken. As for the crowd not being up for it - it is notoriously difficult in the Apollo - but the fact that there was nearly a crush at the front and Barney's warning to calm down shows you what the atmosphere at the front was like. I also disagree about RTS - which to most people around me (at the front) went down as a stormer? But each to their own. I am going to one of the London shows as well to compare the different venues, but I am sorely tempted to go again tonite to get another taste of the Apollo. Most people thought the experience was worth it. The band played well - even if the sound was poor - but that's something that many NO fans have seen before.
Your right, I haven't been to the Apollo before... but if the sound was crap why didn't the lazy bastards rectify this? - after all, that's what we're paying to hear isn't it? - I mean, you don't go to see a film and watch it with a filthy screen and go, oh fuck it, it'll do.
New Order can play well, and they can play crap and have the same effect. Last night was tanrished by the sound levels - truth be told the warm-up band had a better sound!... now if they had a better mix what the fucks going on there?!... don't give me this oh well malarky its New Order so its okay.
I was at the front of the stage, and the only thing crushed was the few pringles I smuggled in. As for Barney being off his head, he looked very much 'serious' to me. I've seen him off his tits before and he was just pissed off last night... he fucking told us so! (am I the only person here that thinks this way?).
Anyway, I've said enough and I'm probably boring everyone to death. Good gig, bad sound, end of story... here's to the other gigs being first class.
Originally posted by Seb Briggs > Originally posted by Fac21> > > > Originally posted by martin fradley> > I think Huntsman's a Douglas Sirk fan. Yeah, it was a mess in places, but not quite as bad as you're making out, fella!! Personally, I got my £25's worth during the hectic True Faith/Temptation readings. So delirious, in fact, that I can still literally ring the moisture out of last night's clobber.> > > > Or perhaps I'm just a sweaty git.....> > > > M.>
... Or perhaps you were "on one"
It's friday afternoon and Facsy's thinking party smarties again ;)
You bet your ass!!! ;) ;) ;)
Here is the review of last night's gig from the local paper (Manchester Evening News):
Rock legends return - New Order
WE hope you enjoy it, mused Bernard Sumner as New Order, the city’s most enduring musical export and probably its most influential, took the stage for their first home-town gig for nearly three years. It would have been impossible for anyone in the sell-out house not to have enjoyed it.
They haven’t changed much New Order were always the rock band dance fans liked and the dance act rock fans could get into but at the same time, they have, which explains why the audience comprised as many 40-somethings who remember them first time round as it did 20-somethings.
With former Marion man Phil Cunningham standing in for Gillian Gilbert on keyboards and guitar, that was also the case on stage.
The new album Get Ready is a bit mixed, but it does include a few gems. One such is Crystal, which kicked off the show. Its thumping bass-line allowed the leonine Peter Hook, whose bass is so low-slung these days it scrapes the floor, to show off his idiosyncratic playing style.
Whereas most bands treat gigs as a chance to showcase the new stuff, New Order, as they get older, are exhuming more and more of the Joy Division back catalogue, with a suitably sombre Transmission being the pick.
But what everyone wanted to hear were the New Order classics. Bizarre Love Triangle received a curious acid house treatment which didn’t quite come off, while Touched by the Hand of God was touched instead by a dollop of funk which sounded little more than work-in-progress.
The highlight was unquestionably a majestic True Faith, with Temptation a close second. They could only finish the gig with one track, and a triumphant Blue Monday for which Gillian appeared duly concluded the show.
URL : http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/entertainment/live/reviews/content.cfm?story=131412
I fear that review was slightly wide of the mark with with non-biast truths being best left to papers that 'aren't' local to the Manchester Apollo. Encouraging that the author 'almost' told it like it was... acid house Bizarre Love Triangle?... what could he hear the synths? - maybe he was sat with a pair of headphones on playing Substance in his car outside.
Originally posted by Huntsman I fear that review was slightly wide of the mark with with non-biast truths being best left to papers that 'aren't' local to the Manchester Apollo. Encouraging that the author 'almost' told it like it was... acid house Bizarre Love Triangle?... what could he hear the synths? - maybe he was sat with a pair of headphones on playing Substance in his car outside.
Calm down Huntsy-boy; i know that you didn't enjoy the horrid sound levels last night, and hopefully that won't happen again this evening. As for the synths on Bacon Lettuce Tomato, I could hear them down the front (albeit very faintly). And before you ask, NO I wasn't even the mildest bit tipsy, nor on any other substances. I posted that review in order to pass on the comments to fellow Orderlineusers, as you've just prattled on all day about how poor the sound was last night. BTW, I agree mostly with you, I just thought it was time to look at the other side of the coin for a fleeting moment. Long may this evening's gig be quality, sound-wise.
I do tend to prattle on Hooky Monster, and apologise for doing so. I fully appreciated the review you posted, it was most interesting as all the forthcoming reviews will be. Don't take me the wrong way HM, I fully enjoyed last night for its good points and didn't let the bad points get me down.
I did think I was contributing something more than prattle but, in hindesight, have probably gone over the top... again.
Once again, apologies - remember I thought it was a GREAT GIG, just knacked a bit by the sound - okay!?
Dougals Sirk made wonderful, hysterical Hollywood MELODRAMAS in the 1950s.
Dunno if he ate Pringles, though.
M.
Martin, I think I'd have to agree that I am melodramatic. Just ask Hooky Monster (he's right). In fact, my bird says I'm too dramatic with everything I do... truth be told I can't even make a cup of tea without making a song and dance about it and going on for ages about the colour of the milk etc. etc.
(perhaps its best I'm not going to anymore gigs in the near future)
Originally posted by Huntsman I do tend to prattle on Hooky Monster, and apologise for doing so. I fully appreciated the review you posted, it was most interesting as all the forthcoming reviews will be. Don't take me the wrong way HM, I fully enjoyed last night for its good points and didn't let the bad points get me down.
I did think I was contributing something more than prattle but, in hindesight, have probably gone over the top... again.
Huntsy, I didn't mean that you prattle on; I merely used that word as it was the first one that came into my empty head, and it seemed to fit nicely. I apologise for the mis-use of it. Your views are greatly appreciated on this board, and long may that continue. I just wanted to clear up any CONFUSION, as I don't want what happened between me and Muffy to happen similarly here. :D Anyway, geezas and birds, I'm off into the ether called the weekend, and down to the Apollo again
There's absolutely zero chance of that happening HM, no posts of mine have any malice or bad intentions directed towards anyone... for example, it was only a couple of days ago I was defending you to the hilt in the Muff/Monster incident.
Basically, I'm a pretty emotional person and take things to the extreme. For what its worth, my old fella (who's a proper muso) thought the rendition of 'Temptation' kicked arse and just to be there to witness the Order live took his breath away... which wasn't bad as we'd both just consumed a tube of the good stuff.
Just some fucker get to the rest of the gigs and give us all some more reports eh and we'll all be happy... good or bad, bring 'em on.
(I am jealous that I've already had my chips so soon on the tour... but that's life). 
Hooky Monster... tonight will be better than last night, you are, it must be said, a lucky bastard. Come back soon with a fully fledged 'I was there' report.
What's the betting they play 'Turn My Feet'
jarvo was indeed the one with the dark haired girl. hooky monster - was it you in the leather jacket down the front? must have been a bit hot mate! after having to wear my coat at the liverpool show went in t shirt only for this one & it was sweltering.
agree that barney looked pissed off, but only really noticed that after the reception that rts got - fell flat from where i was (centre stage 3 rows back) 2 people in front of me were bouncing & trying to get it going but it just wasnt happening. missed the little things that made the songs great in terms of the subtler keyboard fills & "swirls" etc, but the energy worked for me (eg steves drumming on transmission) ceremony was indeed dedicated to jarvo & his crew as they had requested it at every airport on the american tour - barney was hard to hear when speaking between songs but did catch him saying that it was for the people that followed them around america asking them to play it. would ignore comments that it is the last time they will play atmosphere (unless they were referring to the video board game atmosfear), have heard a rumour it will be the same set every night.
Huntsy,
This seems to be a recurrent (is that a word in english?) problem with New Order's gigs: the SOUNDBOARD. You asked "Do you remember Barney asking the sound engineer to raise the volume of the sound on this and that in the middle of the songs?" and the answer is YES -- it has happened quite a lot in the first Cologne show in August! I'm not sure if we have put this online yet (did we?), but if you can hear it, you'll be able to compare... I thought it was too much. I think it was during Touched By The Hand of God where Barney kept shouting "MORE BASSLINE...... MORE BASSLINE!!!!!!!!!".
S.
Don't get me wrong I'm 19, and am glad to have seen New Order while they're still going, they are easily one of the best bands this country has produced and to see the guys live on stage was excellent. BUT, the sound in my opinion made the gig average rather than amazing. In particular Bernard's guitar was more or less inaudiable and this hindered the get ready tracks, Hooky's bass also suffered, however Steve showed what a truly class drummer he is and only on Atmosphere did the sound cause problems. I would also have to say that the re-jigged tracks such as true faith and TBTHOG did not impress me the original live versions at Glastonbury '87 sound far superior particulary true faith [the first time they played it].
