If New Order do contribute to the War Child album, wouldn't it actually be their first political statement ever ? I've never heard them commenting on politics, or even social issues. They might have been private, or just too drugged to bother..
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We all have our views on politics whether we like to admit it or not and that includes New Order. :)
Like an email I got last night made me realize, this is not about the war, it's about war CHILD, so it's helping children who are war innocent victims..
So it's a good cause.. and it's no surprise considering the Gillian factor...
they played the Glastonbury CND before. Any other past politically related shows or compilation appearances ?
RFH in aid of the Miners. Not sure if it was political but it was most certainly one of the best gigs. DM
remember barney´s statement on the booklet of electronic´s raise the pressure:
sometime in January 1996.. This, what it is, I do not yet know. A collection of accumulated knowledge, ideas, memories, fact, surmise... who knows. Anyway what I once considered private, seems to be public. Late the next night and I've just woken up to this most unsatisfying thought... One has to be a bastard to exist in this world full of them, but then I've always had the suspicion I took myself too seriously until I found my self too serious to take. Tonight is a horrible day. I have discovered the true meaning of two words, power and greed; Power is in sex, also in drugs. Power is the feeling when something immense happens in return for little effort. i.e. an assassin firing a gun or a junky shooting up etc. The participant gets off on the execution just as much as the end result. Greed comes dressed in a velvet glove, greed is not the want to possess everything, greed is simply wanting more than the person next to you.later.. Cruelty occurs when people lose touch with the real world. In this nineties this is partly due to the fact that we are distanced from reality by a life we do not lead, therefore we are also distanced from one another. We experience the world through television and use drugs to enjoy social communication. We use machines instead of our bodies and then when our bodies fail us, machines keep us alive. When we do not feel life, we do not feel what it is to be alive. We do not feel compassion, our neighbour is invisible. When he suffers, we turn the television off or simply register a blank. Existence is a bubble we feel will never burst. We can't decide how to vote because we need a new party. We've abandoned our world in favour of ourselves. We cover the ground in broken glass then take off our shoes, we need to look again. Unemployment is the final insult to the individual, mass production was the first. Our education system is wrong, it takes no note of the subtleties of human nature, it places more importance on the memory of an individual than how memorable an individual is. It does not nurture talent, but rewards those who obey and allows them entrance to an exclusive club. This is wrong. The best are wasted. This is why society is disintegrating. Can't you see the spelling doesn't matter, because we are not saying anything any more, it's called the power of silence. The right to which we lost in 1995.
Originally posted by David Molyneux RFH in aid of the Miners. Not sure if it was political but it was most certainly one of the best gigs. DM
ULU was in aid of the Mexican Earthquake disaster, Brixton 87 for World AIDS Day. Wasn't the Liverpool 86 gig for the local council, and Sheffield 86 for some similar cause? Oh, and Sobell 85 was part of a GLC week, which is perhaps a slightly watered down political statement in its own right? And, indeed, as someone pointed out Glastonbury, back in 87, was primarily as a 'CND' festival.
I think after the Rudolph Hess incident, the entire band in any incarnation may have shied a little away from such comments - so easily misunderstood. It's possible to have a political opinion without being Bongo.
Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by David Molyneux> RFH in aid of the Miners. Not sure if it was political but it was most certainly one of the best gigs. DM
ULU was in aid of the Mexican Earthquake disaster, Brixton 87 for World AIDS Day. Wasn't the Liverpool 86 gig for the local council, and Sheffield 86 for some similar cause? Oh, and Sobell 85 was part of a GLC week, which is perhaps a slightly watered down political statement in its own right? And, indeed, as someone pointed out Glastonbury, back in 87, was primarily as a 'CND' festival.
Yeah, but.....Barney's recently been seen donning terrible camouflage jackets, Hooky's got a dodgy beard and Steve drives several tanks round his garden......and I havnae even mentioned NAZI's yet!
Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by David Molyneux> RFH in aid of the Miners. Not sure if it was political but it was most certainly one of the best gigs. DM
ULU was in aid of the Mexican Earthquake disaster, Brixton 87 for World AIDS Day. Wasn't the Liverpool 86 gig for the local council, and Sheffield 86 for some similar cause? Oh, and Sobell 85 was part of a GLC week, which is perhaps a slightly watered down political statement in its own right? And, indeed, as someone pointed out Glastonbury, back in 87, was primarily as a 'CND' festival.
sheffield 86 was indeed a miners benefit gig alongside abc and biily bragg.( at sheff city hall )..awful night..later on that evening caberet voltaire played the leadmill for the same cause this was very very good.. liverpool 86 was a council benefit at the royal court alongside the fall and the smiths..( a good night at the worlds coldest venue with the shitest seats imaginable )..
actually, i think New Order has been uberpolitical at times.
i think most of the songs from the PC&L era have political meaning. one of my friends has made cases for The Village being about communism, 5 8 6 potentially being about the threat of nuclear war, and Blue Monday being a rejection of fascism/the military by a soldier, as well as ambiguously being a machine expressing its feelings at its helplessness at the hands of humans.
and one could say that The Perfect Kiss and Sub-Culture are political, as well.
heck, one could say that most of New Order's songs have at least some political meaning.
I think they are very political, but not in a comman way. And they always were. I remember Barney saying once, it's not political to march on stage and give comments or write songs with a statement, although you can do this. It's political that people like us stand on a stage. They changed the way to communicate with the media and with their audience instead of communicating statements like selling Hamburgers or wars. They are very clever. At least they were...until they noticed how to sell millions of records in the U.S. Dirk
I'm sure they are private major sponsors and believers of The Monster Raving Loony Party - they know it makes sense
