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Gentle folk, recently, I treat one's self to an impressive surround sounding system for the front portal. Coupled to the visual generator and a myriad of other complicated boxes of delight I was able to boast I'd finally made it into the 21st Century.

Shortly after set-up was complete I was presented with NO at Finsbury, recorded in surround sound 5.1. Phew what a scorcher! ... It was like a dream. With bass at a premium, and speakers coming out of the walls it really was like I was attending the gig.

Anyone else enjoyed this joys of the surrounding world?

Its almost as if you can hear the butty as its thrown across the field.

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Oh God... I'm beyond words! Not only did Huntsman returned, he now also starts threads too!

On the thread issue... welcome to the 21st century, friend!

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I recently accompanied a friend who was setting up such a system for a friend of his. After watching his day-long effort, I vowed, never will I purchase one of these!

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Huntsman, i applaud your genius. :clap:

It maye be time to resurrect the "Huntsmanisms" thread... :lol:

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by brother has just such a system, watching saving private ryan its almost as if the tanks are in the room when you get the sub going.

my finsbree dvd was borrowed by one of my birds friends a while ago (day after release) whilst i was out of the house & so i have not seen it, though she tells me its very good.

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Its severely good, i think the reading 98 performance is better though :)

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I listened to True Faith on a pair of £24,000 speakers at a hi-fi show in bristol. I swear you could hear Hooky fart in the bass solo.

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Originally posted by Major Tarantino I listened to True Faith on a pair of £24,000 speakers at a hi-fi show in bristol. I swear you could hear Hooky fart in the bass solo.

at the marriott? & you didnt contadct me to say you were here to go for beers because.....?

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Having spent almost a month on setting the system up (I neglected to mention that) I can appreciate how a man is uncomfortable taking on the task. Its like the dichotomy of owning a large house and jardinier, only to realise in the summer months (hours, if in the UK), one has to plod up and down the grass chopping it with an electrical or petrol mower and using approx. 700 bin-bags just to remove grass which will never fit inside the garage bin (which is almost the size of a modest city).

Not only did our system take a full day to rig-up, we then had to get rid of the wires! Which we did, the following weekend, after we had bought speaker stands, of which our system was the 'only' system which required 'every' wire to be cut and re-made just to get the wires down the speaker stands!!! - At this point, suicide was contemplated.

To cut a short story long, we eventually made the wires disappear under the carpet, at one stage, piping a broom with one of the wires wrapped around the end with electricians tape, under a difficult bit of terrain near the telly.

Nowadays, our couch is approximately 3 feet of the ground where the wires gather most, but I've heard in the winter time the air cools the wires which decrease in size so we should be only 2 feet off the ground over the Christmas holidays, where most of the best programs are broadcast.

I hope a bird didn't fly beneath the carpet whilst we were in full flow.

So to all, be very wary, setting a surround sound system up is possibly more tricky than buildling a massive bridge over the river Kwai (or somewhere else equally as impressive).

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Originally posted by Hibster > Originally posted by Major Tarantino I listened to True Faith on a pair of £24,000 speakers at a hi-fi show in bristol. I swear you could hear Hooky fart in the bass solo.

at the marriott? & you didnt contadct me to say you were here to go for beers because.....?

Yeah, didn't know you were going mate!

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Hibsticker ... I am keen to view Private Benjamin as its one of my fave movies. Unfortunately my bird has banned it so I have to wait until she's out of the arena. Which could be as close as tomorrow night when she is attending a dog track (that's actually true).

Private Brian and I also look forward to Jacob's Ladder which is another fine movie.

The game Medal of Honor is very good, incidentally, for anyone out there who enjoys New Order, and World War II.

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This thread is so funny, i feel it should be engraved onto a plaque and sent to the band.

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Well, H, I think that with your glowing recommendation about the ease of installation, you've probably set back sales twenty years or so.

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Is the DVD from last year recorded in a surrounding area? - I do hope so, it really adds a little to the proceedings.

Lord of the Raiders is a knockout on 5.1 ... it makes normal telly sound like it was created for visitors from another planet who had never known the sense of sound, and were quite emotional hearing anything at all.

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Originally posted by Patrick Well, H, I think that with your glowing recommendation about the ease of installation, you've probably set back sales twenty years or so.

There should be a health warning on the tin. Is your friend okay now or is he still suffering?

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This explains why you haven't been posting.

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He was very patient about the whole thing, but definitely there should be boldface warnings.

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... isn't that the name of a famous Native American?

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new order are in medal of honour? that is a fine game, but only have the first one where you have to blow up the rocket base & dont recall any new order, though a few soldiers came to regret crossing my path... (sorry)

heat is another one with a great scene for this (also has new dawn fades on soundtrack, though not original) the gun fight in the street - if you are not ducking for cover your system is set up wrongly!

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Originally posted by Major Tarantino > Originally posted by Hibster > Originally posted by Major Tarantino I listened to True Faith on a pair of £24,000 speakers at a hi-fi show in bristol. I swear you could hear Hooky fart in the bass solo.

at the marriott? & you didnt contadct me to say you were here to go for beers because.....?

Yeah, didn't know you were going mate!

I didn't, but I live in Bristol don't I you numpty!

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I know... i'm just thick.

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All you guys who spend a fortune on fancy sound systems obviously have the good fortune to live somewhere where the walls are made out of something thicker than plasterboard and to have neighbours not prone to going psychotic if one turns the TV on higher than a whisper.

Whats the point of all this stuff if you can only listen on headphones anyway?

Mind you, with the cost of some up market hifi stuff, buying a new (detached) house to put it in would probably represent only a small addition to the total cost.

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I can't decide if I like the film Heat. With Jeff Pacino and Alan De Niro together on cellulite for the first time it was all a bit slow. Sure, a great big explosion helps and New Dawn Fades make for a better experience but there wasn't enough horse chases.

SO far Episode II The Attack of the Clowns reigns highest, followed by Lord of the Flies, then perhaps The Matrix and then some others which haven't got many explosions.

Metroid Prime, I've heard, is delicious on Surround and also looks like a gold sovereign. Fighting one-on-one games make me feel sick. I prefer games like Shenmue where you look after cats (and for anyone who's played the game you'll know that's absolutely and utterly true).

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(Shenmue II the best game in the world ... ever)

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I thought DVD's were the brainchild of TW and invented to play NewOrder concerts and dvd singles from Grrrrrready :confused:

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Originally posted by 404 error All you guys who spend a fortune on fancy sound systems obviously have the good fortune to live somewhere where the walls are made out of something thicker than plasterboard and to have neighbours not prone to going psychotic if one turns the TV on higher than a whisper.Whats the point of all this stuff if you can only listen on headphones anyway?Mind you, with the cost of some up market hifi stuff, buying a new (detached) house to put it in would probably represent only a small addition to the total cost.

Steady 404 Error. I've wanted a surround system since before they were invented ... and I've only just picked one up. It's taken over 20 years to save the coin.

For the record, my neighbours thoroughly enjoy the movies we watch. And they can also hear when I turn the socket on and off when I switch the light off.

Anything over 2 decibels is audible next door, but we're all cool with it.

Our neighbours at the rear of our house, on the other hand, have a big dog who's just leaned against our fence and now its leaning.

But I love dogs so I don't know what to do for the best.

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invest in mice, it's the only way forward.

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Originally posted by Huntsman I can't decide if I like the film Heat. With Jeff Pacino and Alan De Niro together on cellulite for the first time it was all a bit slow. Sure, a great big explosion helps and New Dawn Fades make for a better experience but there wasn't enough horse chases.SO far Episode II The Attack of the Clowns reigns highest, followed by Lord of the Flies, then perhaps The Matrix and then some others which haven't got many explosions.Metroid Prime, I've heard, is delicious on Surround and also looks like a gold sovereign. Fighting one-on-one games make me feel sick. I prefer games like Shenmue where you look after cats (and for anyone who's played the game you'll know that's absolutely and utterly true).:hat:(Shenmue II the best game in the world ... ever)

"Attack of the Clowns"? Huntsy, I expected a lot more inspiration from you...

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Star Wayne Teat; Addition of Certain Clams.

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stop that, it's silly.

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That's what they used to say to Harolyd Lloyd ... but he insisted on mounting skyscraper after skyscraper in the search of loose clock faces to hold on to whilst busy traffic passed underneath.

It was a risk, but it was an hilarious risk.

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I've been blessed with one of those systems as well, and as I am supposed to be a 'thicko' what with being a girl, I enjoyed watching my other half suffer. And suffer he did ! Unlike Huntsman though, we've got something resembling a cellar going all the way under the house, so I insisted on all the wires being fed through the floor and back up again in all corners. Needless to say, Mr. Know-it-all didn't get any help from me and had to crawl through the sand and cobwebs under the house and sort it out himself.

As for sound, 5 11 on 5.1 digital surround is unbelievable ! Shame that 3 16 only uses the pro logic surround, still sounds good but not as good as.

As for neighbours, I've only got one and she tries to outdo me most of the time. Actually I HAVE to turn the volume up because it's pure shite she listens to.

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I hope your other half did not disrupt a live spider nest in the process of wiring up your system. They sometimes sit on an attack for about 6 months then prey whilst you sleep.

G, is it possible you could relay meaning to the various surround sound definitions:

DTS Surround Sound Pro-Logic THX XTC IDST 10cc

etc.

Sometimes I'm unable to discern if I'm surrounded by sound or simply obliged by aural. I have figured out that 5.1 stands for 5 satellite speakers and 1 sub-woofer. And that 6, 7.1 etc. simply means 1 sub-woofer and x amount of satellite speakers.

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Did I mention that as part of the installation process my friend bought a completely separate device to measure and balance the sound level in all the speakers?

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Originally posted by Huntsman G, is it possible you could relay meaning to the various surround sound definitions:DTSSurround SoundPro-LogicTHXXTCIDST10ccetc.

NO

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Originally posted by Patrick Did I mention that as part of the installation process my friend bought a completely separate device to measure and balance the sound level in all the speakers?

That's brilliant. He sounds a proper nutboxer. Is he half-human/half-power amp.? - did the device work?

I was initially disappointed with our system and went back to the shop, who informed me (to much guffawing) that I needed a 'coaxial digital cable' as opposed to the phony left and right I'd been using. 25 quid that cost for about 4cm length!!! - the shop assistant (let's call him be-spectacled geek for short) turned and pointed at a box with what looked like the same cable in. You see that pal, he said, well that's a coaxial digital cable and that's 125 pounds. Blimey I said to make him feel like I was bothered.

Then I turned and walked out muttering something about little difference between bell wire and gold encapsulated cable.

Anyhow - his 25 quid digi cable kicked arse and I was proved humiliated by my own inept abilities.

I think the moral of the story is sometimes to pay a little extra and enjoy a little more for your money. It's a bit like the old nursery rhyme; 'the duck that was caught by the dog handler'. I can't remember the ending but I'm quite certain the dog took the bloke's eye out.

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Originally posted by Geri > Originally posted by Huntsman> > > G, is it possible you could relay meaning to the various surround sound definitions:> > DTS> Surround Sound> Pro-Logic> THX> XTC> IDST> 10cc> > etc.

NO

... you haven't even tried.

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Just get something.

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True...

Actually, I will ask Mr. Know-it-all.

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Originally posted by Huntsman > Originally posted by Patrick> Did I mention that as part of the installation process my friend bought a completely separate device to measure and balance the sound level in all the speakers?>

That's brilliant. He sounds a proper nutboxer. Is he half-human/half-power amp.? - did the device work?

I was initially disappointed with our system and went back to the shop, who informed me (to much guffawing) that I needed a 'coaxial digital cable' as opposed to the phony left and right I'd been using. 25 quid that cost for about 4cm length!!! - the shop assistant (let's call him be-spectacled geek for short) turned and pointed at a box with what looked like the same cable in. You see that pal, he said, well that's a coaxial digital cable and that's 125 pounds. Blimey I said to make him feel like I was bothered.

Then I turned and walked out muttering something about little difference between bell wire and gold encapsulated cable.

Anyhow - his 25 quid digi cable kicked arse and I was proved humiliated by my own inept abilities.

I think the moral of the story is sometimes to pay a little extra and enjoy a little more for your money. It's a bit like the old nursery rhyme; 'the duck that was caught by the dog handler'. I can't remember the ending but I'm quite certain the dog took the bloke's eye out.

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Yes, apparently the device did what it was supposed to do.

But for what connections did you need the coaxial cable? Not for the speakers, apparently, since the length you describe buying wouldn't be enough.

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Coaxial from the DVD to the back of the decoder. Speaker cable (whatever it is made of these days) is massively long ... well, in our system it was.

The decoder is only a couple of inches from the DVD which I guess is the popular set-up these days.

Coaxial enables the signal to be split to each speaker, whereas phono cable is only left and right, and the decoder makes it up!

Needless to say coaxial made about 90% improvement which surprised me.

Tell your mate to eat more parsnips.

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What are parsnips?

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Parsnips are one of my favorite winter vegetables. They're reliably hardy, easy to grow, and taste great! Unlike some other winter crops, parsnips provide a lot of food in a small amount of space. Want to know more? Read on...

The single most important thing you can do to ensure success with this vegetable is prepare the soil! Before sowing, work the bed over with a spading fork as far down as you can, removing any rocks, clumps of soil, or chunks of organic material you find. Loose soil allows the roots to expand much more easily, and lessens the chances that the young taproot will break - which is what causes forked roots. Because of this, do not plant parsnips in soil that's been recently amended with organic matter, since chunks of organic material can also cause the plant's taproot to break. If your soil has a bit of clay in it, I highly recommend you use raised beds for parsnips (or any other root crop). It's much easier to maintain good tilth with raised beds.

Like many root crops, parsnips grow well in soils that aren't too fertile. Fertilizer is generally unnecessary except in very poor soil. Nitrogen can induce leaf development at the expense of root growth, and may also contribute to root hairiness. A good practice is to grow them in a bed that was well fertilized the year before - perhaps where you had the previous season's broccoli. The residual nutrients will probably be enough.

Parsnip seed can take a long time to germinate. To help keep it from drying out, I like to cover it with a fine potting soil or sifted compost. Although you can sow parsnips as late as July, I've found it simpler to start them in June - it's much easier to keep the seed damp before our summer weather gets going. Don't give up on the seeds! They sometimes take three weeks to germinate. About the time you decide they're not coming up, they will surprise you.

Parsnips are fairly problem-free. The leaves are somewhat unpalatable, so slugs and rabbits generally aren't attracted to the plant. Also, since the crowns are slightly below ground level, slugs aren't as likely to chew on them (as opposed to carrots or beets). Carrot rust fly maggots are attracted to parsnip. In my garden damage is minimal and easy to cut out after harvest. If rust flies are a bigger problem where you live, growing the plants under a floating row cover will prevent the adult fly from laying her eggs near the plant. Remember that a row cover cuts the light levels by about 10%, so you might want to either increase the spacing between the plants, or else allow some extra time for plant growth.

Parsnips are a natural for the winter vegetable garden. They get sweeter after they've been hit with a few frosts, since the plant responds to cold by storing more sugar in its root. In addition they're very hardy, and will usually survive our winters with minimal protection. When it gets really cold - say in the teens (Fahrenheit) - I like to keep them under several layers of floating row cover. They probably don't need the protection, but this keeps the ground from freezing and allows me to harvest them even when unprotected garden beds are quite frozen.

Try growing parsnips! Along with carrots, they're a great crop for the first-time winter gardener. I think if you grow them, you'll be hooked!

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... as I say P, tell your mate ... he's missing out!

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So, H, are they like squash? Or potatoes? Or radishes?

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They taste a bit like sweet potatoes.

Perhaps I should have suggested your friend consumes more eggs.

Did you ever get to see Saving P Brian?

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Not yet. I went through a period of watching Gene Kelly movies. More recently I've been watching Ben Foster movies.

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On The Town is quite spiritual.

Try to see SPR when you get chance, it really is worth it. If only you could raise a few bills from your pocket and hit the blockbuster.

George, Siamese twins sometimes have their heads stuck as one. This cannot be possible with me and Patrick, as I am currently over 1,000 miles away from him ... and nobody has a neck that long.*

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*As of 27/3/03 according to The Guiness Book of World Records

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Based on your repeated and strong recommendations, I probably should put it on my account at Amazon. Blockbuster is too hard.

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Originally posted by Huntsman On The Town is quite spiritual.Try to see SPR when you get chance, it really is worth it. If only you could raise a few bills from your pocket and hit the blockbuster.George, Siamese twins sometimes have their heads stuck as one. This cannot be possible with me and Patrick, as I am currently over 1,000 miles away from him ... and nobody has a neck that long.*:hat:*As of 27/3/03 according to The Guiness Book of World Records:hat:

Is Inspector gadget currently the record holder?

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Originally posted by Huntsman On The Town is quite spiritual.Try to see SPR when you get chance, it really is worth it. If only you could raise a few bills from your pocket and hit the blockbuster.George, Siamese twins sometimes have their heads stuck as one. This cannot be possible with me and Patrick, as I am currently over 1,000 miles away from him ... and nobody has a neck that long.*:hat:*As of 27/3/03 according to The Guiness Book of World Records:hat:

My favorite number in OTT is Main Street. What about you?

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My memory is appauling P, I can't recall any specifically. What I can tell you is that when I watch it I get a weird feeling, a bit like when you experience something that isn't massively amazing but somehow manages to provoke something inside. Mmmm.

The cast of In The Town though, beat that!

Meet Me in St. Louis also superb, as is every film starring James Stewart. Notably, the one where he runs down the street complaining about the snow.

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I don't think I've seen Meet Me In St. Louis. Was Judy Garland in that? I've seen the three movies she made with GK, as well as the three he made with Frank Sinatra.

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Originally posted by Life's a Bush and then WE die Gosh, these siamese twins never stop, do they? :wink:

No, and what's more they both disappear for months and then miraculously turn up within minutes of each other again...

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Benny - how come people chat to each other all day long on this site but when me and Pat do people get shirty? - one reply leads to the other and before you know it we've rambled onto 3 pages.

I like talking to everyone anyway so pip it.

And just to clarify, Patrick lives in 'Washington DC' - which is in America. Whereas I live in Teesside, which is in the North of England. Its' not fair to mock Patrick for living in a small place with little amenities so don't be having a go at him. It's not his fault. We can't all live in cool areas with access to plankton.

Anyway Benny, what the hell's Spike doing on your profile picture? - do you know I've met his manager and he gave me a Demon Records badge ... so there!

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Not Washington Durham County then ? ;)

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Now there's a place. Split into sections to enable the Nissan workers easier access to the plant! (what a great idea).

I bought a car from Washington ... then got it back home (I bought it in the dark) and noticed it was a bit ropey. Anyway, I was on a trip and I was messing around with the air vents and out blew a little card. When I looked at it, it had 'Washington Taxis' on it.

That's right. I bought a taxi by mistake.

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Originally posted by Huntsman My memory is appauling P, I can't recall any specifically. What I can tell you is that when I watch it I get a weird feeling, a bit like when you experience something that isn't massively amazing but somehow manages to provoke something inside. Mmmm.The cast of In The Town though, beat that!Meet Me in St. Louis also superb, as is every film starring James Stewart. Notably, the one where he runs down the street complaining about the snow.:hat:

its a wonderlife life? he also made one caled its a wonderful world which i taped before had seen its a wonderful life having read how great iawl was, was quite disappointed til i saw iawl & realised my mistake.

also in some great hitchcock films, & harvey is cool but totally against the politics of mr stewart.

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JS is one of the great actors, like Clint, you just watch him on the screen and ignore everything else (except the imaginary rabbit which sometimes draws the attention).

It's A Wonderful Light seems to bring derision these days, possible because its perceived to be overly used for Chrimbo themes left right and centre. I say bollocks its ace.

Trading Places, another classic.

But Hibsty, why doesn't anyone ever make any more classic films?

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I almost ordered Shaving Pirate Brian yesterday, H, but then I remembered it's about a war and all that. Isn't this going to be depressing?

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but they do, they do, its just the majority pander to the event led pictures of modern times like godzilla

you still have plot driven films (the others, anything by the coen brothers, gosford park) & there's always the french....

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Well now it's Friday and you've got no chance for a Saturday delivery thus another weekend slips by and you still haven't seen it.

The film is uplifting, and it is deeply depressing. A bit like Turn My Feet. WWII was vast, and the implications to society today are evident in abundance, in our modern life. This alone should prompt people to watch and learn (even if the failure to include the vast majority of allied forces in favour of more American troops with cool cigars is a disappointing factor).

Its top 5 in my film list, if you don't see it soon I might have to drive to D.C. and buy it from your local store and then take you 'round to your mates with the good sound system and his magical balancing box and then you can both appreciate it.

Hire it. Buying it is too excessive.

(I own it - but it was a present).

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My friend with the super sound system lives in California, so that's a little bit of a drive just to watch a movie, H. Renting a movie is about as hard for me to imagine as renting a CD; I've never done it. But even if I'd oredered it yesterday, it wouldn't have arrived in time for this weekend. Does it have singing and dancing?

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OK, H I just ordered it from Amazon.

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That's better.

Now when you watch it, watch it from the beginning with few interruptions. Imagine its an MTV awards ceremony - I know you'll be glued to the set if you think that.

There isn't a great deal of dancing, or singing, but there is a very poignant moment with a gramophone, if that would suffice.

In return, I'm willing to accept an idea for a 'really' good film?

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Being John Malkovitch. That's a really good film.

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That's hard, H. What about Singing In The Rain?

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... interesting, I watched this film, I thought it was a bit disappointing.

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That answer was in reference to Being Jeff Maple Farm.

Singing in The Rates is too wolly. A bit soft 'round the edges.

I was thinking more along the lines of a deep pyschological thing with strong scenes of violence and excellent surround sound.

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Originally posted by Huntsman That answer was in reference to Being Jeff Maple Farm.Singing in The Rates is too wolly. A bit soft 'round the edges.I was thinking more along the lines of a deep pyschological thing with strong scenes of violence and excellent surround sound.:hat:

methinks you should change your question to what is a great film for me to test my surround sound then!

bjm is a top film.

aforementioned jacobs ladder sounds like it fits the bill

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Black Hawk Down, perhaps?

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I thought the lighting in BJM was a little dim.

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Plus it's hard to take John Cusack seriously since he appeared in a Julia Roberts film.

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There appears to be a certain amount of confusion in this thread now, thanks mainly to Hibsty and his blatant accusation that I cannot appreciate a movie without the surround sound power unit on full melt.

I suggest to shift this topic to the ulti-purpose chatting room now before it is closed down for the winter.

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Originally posted by Patrick Plus it's hard to take John Cusack seriously since he appeared in a Julia Roberts film.

I think the main problem with Being Jacob Marmalade a Touch was that JM, in real life, is quite boring (excellent in some interviews) so accordingly, the film was quite boring. Although I can understand if people really liked it.

It would probably have been a better film if it was Being Clint Eastwood during his best years as a gunslinger. But some people might have found that boring.

Benny, I assume, wouldn't have even hired it out.

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Wasn't Being Boring a PSB song?

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Yes, and it really was boring.

Good album though, Behaviour.

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