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FAQ: What's the origin of MURDER?

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Seriously, I don't know :shrug:

Murder is the ONLY new material that was released for another country than the UK in 1984.

Anyone knows WHY? What's the origin of the song and why was it released ONLY in Belgium, and why it was hidden on the B-Side part of Substance if it's an A-Side?

Mysteries.. even if it's 20 years, we'll find that one..

Experts, go ahead :D

P/S: I meant SINGLE of course, since Haystack, and Theme were also released in Belgium, but not as a single. Would be good to discuss those as well, how come Les Disques Crépuscules got so many New Order original songs unreleased elsewhere!

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Well, this isn't the answer to the question, but hopefully it may kickstart an answer..

Two quotes, one from the Factory Benelux website http://home.planet.nl/~frankbri/fbnstory.html:

"In April 1984, New Order issued their second 12" for Factory Benelux, Murder, the 'lost' instrumental outake from Power, Corruption And Lies."

and the other from an article in Uncut http://www.neworderonline.com/literature/articles/uncut199902.asp:

"in the interim, there had been grisly Factory Benelux instrumental "Murder", which was thrown together one night in the studio" and contained a sample from the film. Caligula, which went "Crawl!, Crawl! Crawl! I hate them!" and another from Stanley Kubrick's 2001. A Space Odyssey"

l8rs,

Nick ;)

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Factory Benelux was the place where they occasionaly used to release spare tracks and experimental stuff, wasn't it? Well, "Murder" fitted perfectly the profile of a Benelux release.

As for Les Disques Du Crèpuscule, they were also part of the Belgian connection. I will quote Frank Brinkhuis website as well, that's how everything started.

In October 1979 Michel Duval, a journalist, and Annik Honoré had started organising gigs and events at the Plan K in Brussels. The Plan K, opened in 1973, was a five stories high dismantled sugar refinery, turned into an arts centre, located at 21 Rue de Manchester. Joy Division (gigging abroad for the first time), Cabaret Voltaire and William Burroughs performed at the promoters duo's first night on October the 16th. They were later followed by many hot and important bands from the post-punk era, most of them British. For one reason or another, especially the Factory artists enjoyed their stay in Brussels. Duval's idea to release some (shelved) Factory material was picked up by Factory boss Tony Wilson and Factory Benelux was born, in the Spring of 1980. But since Duval was also interested in releasing material from other artists and bands, he founded his own label: Les Disques Du Crepuscule, in April 1980.

Rue de Manchester, eh? What a coincidence! And we all know why Ian Curtis enjoyed his stay in Brussels. ;)

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Originally posted by Nick King "In April 1984, New Order issued their second 12" for Factory Benelux, Murder, the 'lost' instrumental outake from Power, Corruption And Lies."

Well, it does say "Where's Murder?" on the PCL run-off...

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Originally posted by Old Blue > Originally posted by Nick King> > > "In April 1984, New Order issued their second 12" for Factory Benelux, Murder, the 'lost' instrumental outake from Power, Corruption And Lies.">

Well, it does say "Where's Murder?" on the PCL run-off... Well spotted!:clap:

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Originally posted by Old Blue Well, it does say "Where's Murder?" on the PCL run-off...

Very true! :bow:

l8rs,

Nick :smoker:

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Well it all started when my FIRST wife tried to leave and then MURDER became easier each time!:D

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Originally posted by Old Blue > Originally posted by Nick King> > > "In April 1984, New Order issued their second 12" for Factory Benelux, Murder, the 'lost' instrumental outake from Power, Corruption And Lies.">

Well, it does say "Where's Murder?" on the PCL run-off...

Are you sure? According to the New Order Discography website, this is written on the 3rd edition of Blue Monday's 12"... :shrug:

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Originally posted by Spotnick > Originally posted by Old Blue > Originally posted by Nick King> > > "In April 1984, New Order issued their second 12" for Factory Benelux, Murder, the 'lost' instrumental outake from Power, Corruption And Lies.">

It's also on the B-side of PCL. Have a look at the same site under albums.

Dave

Well, it does say "Where's Murder?" on the PCL run-off...

Are you sure? According to the New Order Discography website, this is written on the 3rd edition of Blue Monday's 12"... :shrug:

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Originally posted by Spotnick > Originally posted by Old Blue > Originally posted by Nick King> > > "In April 1984, New Order issued their second 12" for Factory Benelux, Murder, the 'lost' instrumental outake from Power, Corruption And Lies.">

Well, it does say "Where's Murder?" on the PCL run-off...

Are you sure? According to the New Order Discography website, this is written on the 3rd edition of Blue Monday's 12"... :shrug:

Of course I'm sure! It's right here in front of me!!

You are right as well, some Blue Monday pressings had "Where's Murder?" on the A and "I said, where's Murder?" on the B.

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