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Originally posted by Revolution, Purity, Love, Suicide, Accuracy Agree with Shug on the debate. While Regret is no doubt a smashing tune, and would rate highly on any NO album, I'm interested in the question "if Regret wasn't on Republic, what would you think of it?", so I'd like to see it go on that basis...
If Regret wasnae on it, it'd have been a massive disapointment.
It's funny, because everybody seems to look back on it now as having been shit apart from Regret, What will people be thinking of Get Ready in 8 years time ? Republic had as many average New Order tracks on it as Get Ready did.....
Originally posted by ShugZV©
It's good to see a long debate on RePubic, it's not that bad an album really, maybe cos I only play it once it in a blue moon
What's wrong with Avalanche, Shugsy?
Originally posted by Benny's Cobweb Eyes It's funny, because everybody seems to look back on it now as having been shit apart from Regret, What will people be thinking of Get Ready in 8 years time ? Republic had as many average New Order tracks on it as Get Ready did.....
I think Republic had a couple of STINKERS on it, depths to which Get Ready doesn't quite stoop. I don't think there's anything that's come out of the Get Ready sessions which is quite as poor as Times Change, Spooky, Liar, Avalanche or Young Offender.
Also, I think people had higher expectations for Republic, whereas Get Ready felt more like a 'bonus' than anything else. I wonder what we'd make of either album if we didn't know anything about New Order and were given both to listen to tomorrow without any of the baggage which obviously comes along with these things. Republic felt like a nail in the coffin to me, whereas Get Ready saw the phoenix rising from the flames again. Crystal aside, I see most other tracks from Get Ready on a par, but it's still on a level higher than I see all other tracks from Republic, bar Regret. One thing they've basically forgotten to do on both albums is succintly blend the geetars with the keyboards. Chemical had a stab at it, and most people seem to hate that track (I actually think it's okay) but the likes of Young Offender just bombed, whereas World was nothing more than a bloody good O2 song with Barney on vocals. It didn't sound like New Order to these ears. That could've been a classic if they'd stuck Hooky on it. It just strikes me that they lost their way with the synths on Republic so just thought fcuk it, and ditched 'em for GR. If anything makes GR suffer it's the fact there's no diversity on it.
Originally posted by Patrick > Originally posted by ShugZV©
It's good to see a long debate on RePubic, it's not that bad an album really, maybe cos I only play it once it in a blue moon
What's wrong with Avalanche, Shugsy?
I've never been a massive fan of slow instrumentals Patsy, not just on NO records but others as well, the name of it escapes me, but the insrumental on Pills n Thrills was fuckin terrible as well, the Mondays copying theOrder
I just don't like it matey, Elegia fares slightly better, and Soviet from Electronic is about the same.
On the other hand.....I fuckin love the Let's Go instumental.
Confused? you should be
To me, Crystal is so much, much better than anything on Republic that the rest of GR could be blank and it would still be better.
I don't usually like slow instrumentals or for that matter slow anything, Shugsy, but I do think Avalanche is nice.
Can't compare GR with Republic.
I agree a bit with Jarvis, more was probably expected from Republic after the brilliance of Technique. I think Get Ready's a great album, and it still gets played quite a bit. Obviously not everyone's gonna agree with me, but I love the songs others regard as a weakness (Slow Jam & RTS) it's a lot easier to listen to than Republic, and in Primitive Notion and even Turn My Way, you've got classic tracks that are regarded highly by the old guard.
Big Al J - note that Barney was so fed up with eleccy instruments by the time GR came 'round he and others went with guitars.
The synth/guitar situation has been rocky since Technique, where the two were blended to perfection. Downwhill since then, ending in a mess which has been the backing tape / synth sequencing mesh of potatoes of the recent live shows.
New Order need to prove they can blend the two as successfully as they pioneered in the 80's. To not again be scared by letting a drum machine kick butski on its todd for 1 min. 30.
The last concentrated attempt at a synth/guitar tune was Here to State; which sounded dated.
To the previous point - GR is as diverse as any previous NO album, and is guitar based as a direct result of the overtly synthed side projects.
That's my theory anyway so smoke it.
Avalanche was pretty much the last thing Gillian did with NewOrder wasnt it.. quite ironic considering the noises she makes during it and the title AVALANCHE and the fact it was the last track on an album entitled REPUBLIC!
Although i assumed she worked with the guys on Brutal did she not??
Having played the legendary Low-Life (for about the 1 millionth time), I now enjoy more songs on GR than with Low-Light. And yes, this is down primarily to the fact GR is newer, but after 3 wks. I was so embarrassed by The Republican it wound up in a shoe box for 15 years.
Originally posted by Patrick I don't usually like slow instrumentals or for that matter slow anything, Shugsy, but I do think Avalanche was a turkey. PS Shug you really smell bad.
I thought you'd mentioned you liked Avalanche Pat? - I think its class.
It's nice that we agree about the last track on Republic of China, H, even if we don't about the first.
My edit was in lieu of our earlier comments. I couldn't resist tampering with your good name, and your impeccable reputation. Right now, I have only compounded my inconsistent use of the English Langwage.
Avalanche is tops (literally) - its just plain sad.
Gee, H, I can't find any unconventional language choices anywhere in this string, except in your confession.
Originally posted by ShugZV©
Avalanche is cats piss and has to be the first to go.
I do aggree with the Shugster, Avalanche is pure shite.
