what do you want the movie "Transmission" to be like?

Personally, I was disappointed by '24 Hour Party People' because there just wasn't enough JD (and hardly any NO, for that matter)! So...luckily Debbie Curtis' book is in the works for the ol' movie treatment.

I just wonder what people would like to see in this one, taking into account the book's emphasis more on Ian than the band, and so on.

I'd like to see it filmed either in black and white or something grainy like 16mm--but not in DV like 24 Hour Party People was, because it just doesn't look like film, you know? It would be great if they could get into some of the real locations like 77 Barton Street to film, for the sake of realism. And I'm thinking a combination of documentary-style handheld camerawork and smoother stuff. And maybe get NO to do the soundtrack (although I'll have to hear 'Ambient' first). Any thoughts?

I would prefer an actual documentary to a dramatization.

Originally posted by David Church Personally, I was disappointed by '24 Hour Party People' because there just wasn't enough JD (and hardly any NO, for that matter)! So...luckily Debbie Curtis' book is in the works for the ol' movie treatment. I just wonder what people would like to see in this one, taking into account the book's emphasis more on Ian than the band, and so on. I'd like to see it filmed either in black and white or something grainy like 16mm--but not in DV like 24 Hour Party People was, because it just doesn't look like film, you know? It would be great if they could get into some of the real locations like 77 Barton Street to film, for the sake of realism. And I'm thinking a combination of documentary-style handheld camerawork and smoother stuff. And maybe get NO to do the soundtrack (although I'll have to hear 'Ambient' first). Any thoughts?

I agree with you.

Name of the film : Love will tear us apart

a big splashy Hollywood musical, of course! :D

Well, IF it happens to come to pass, I would think there'd have to be a balance between the domestic life and the progression of the band (if it didn't show how the band was going at all, it'd be a major disappointment to all the fans). I haven't really thought about black and white versus color photography, but as so many classic JD shots are b&w it might be a nice touch. Perhaps a mix: when JD's on stage, b&w. Every other time, color maybe muted a bit. Of course, that might just end up horrible, so they should definitely do one or the other.

Originally posted by Andy I would prefer an actual documentary to a dramatization.

I'll second that. I don't know if there is enough material in there for a film. I'd like something that welds together the story from the point of view of those still alive, any documentary footage, some live stuff etc. A similar format to 'The Filth and the Fury' (Sex Pistols film from a few years back). Anyone seen that? What d'ya think?

Originally posted by FDISK > Originally posted by Andy> I would prefer an actual documentary to a dramatization.

I'll second that. I don't know if there is enough material in there for a film. I'd like something that welds together the story from the point of view of those still alive, any documentary footage, some live stuff etc. A similar format to 'The Filth and the Fury' (Sex Pistols film from a few years back). Anyone seen that? What d'ya think?

I could go for that as well, one wonders if there's more than enought Ian footage lying around. If you listen to the commentary by Julian Temple in the Filth DVD, he says that there wasn't quite as much "new, unused" footage of the Pistols as had been hoped, so he had to pad it out with things like Olivier's "Richard III". Absolutely love that movie, and if the producers of Trans decided to go that route more power to them.

I want It to be about the members of band with a focus on the personal lifes and relationdhips more than professional.And I want Alexsander Sukurov to direct the film .

Originally posted by 242sumner And I want Alexsander Sukurov to direct the film .

Yeah, an unbroken 90-minute tracking shot telling the story of Ian Curtis and JD! I'm totally there! :D

Originally posted by Taboo # 7 > Originally posted by FDISK> > > > Originally posted by Andy> > I would prefer an actual documentary to a dramatization.>

I'll second that. I don't know if there is enough material in there for a film. I'd like something that welds together the story from the point of view of those still alive, any documentary footage, some live stuff etc. A similar format to 'The Filth and the Fury' (Sex Pistols film from a few years back). Anyone seen that? What d'ya think?

I could go for that as well, one wonders if there's more than enought Ian footage lying around. If you listen to the commentary by Julian Temple in the Filth DVD, he says that there wasn't quite as much "new, unused" footage of the Pistols as had been hoped, so he had to pad it out with things like Olivier's "Richard III". Absolutely love that movie, and if the producers of Trans decided to go that route more power to them.

I'd prefer a documentary to a dramatization also, but I just don't think there would be enough footage to do that. I mean, how much footage have WE actually seen? There's hardly any live concert footage, and the footage that does exist is sometimes terrible quality (I'm thinking "Here are the Young Men"). Also, there just wouldn't be enough footage of Ian's homelife to justify basing the movie on his wife's book. It would come out looking more like one of those Ken Burns TV documentaries with a bunch of narration and voice actors speaking over a lot of still photos--and while that might make an okay hour-long TV show like those A&E Biographies, it would need something more to be a full-length movie. Joy Division just wasn't the cultural phenomenon that the Pistols were, so cameras weren't exactly following them around all the time--or arranged to be there by their manager, for that matter. I think the only viable thing would be a full dramatization, although with reinactments of real footage/photos. Hell, the real stuff could be mixed in also, for that added realism. just my thoughts...

Flippin` Heck, Tucker! A Joy Divsion / Ian Curtis movie? I can virtually hear the punters staying away from the cinemas in droves!

Seriously, I agree that some sort of documentary would be better than a dramatisation.

I think a full on documentary is in order, like a " behind the music" sort of thing, but released on video. Of course it will never happen, but we all know that the fans would buy it by the tens of thousands anyway. Like Neworderstory except inclusive of everything from the beginning to present. Back a number of years ago, the band Yes did such a thing. It was ridiculously long, and crammed with every concievable thing a fan could want but never usually gets. Brilliant. Both Joy division and New order were and continue to be hugely influential in music, and both are well appreciated far outside of their respective genres. The number of currently popular artists that could be interviewed for such a project would fill a dvd alone, never mind words from the band themselves, rare or not often seen footage, both of live music and interviews, soundcheck footage, the list could go on and on. Of course the problem will be money. These days if it aint sellin' a million copies, it just aint worth it for the big greedy record companies. As for the movie based on debbie curtis' book, I'm quite certain they can wreck that without any help from the fans, after all, what do we know? they have to change it ( like they do every other thing they make a movie out of ) to sell more tickets. So even if it ever happens, I'll wait til I see it to even speculate. I must say that black and white would probably be the way to go, but it will probably be computer animated instead. (thats hot!!!)

Originally posted by Ghost is luminous I must say that black and white would probably be the way to go, but it will probably be computer animated instead. (thats hot!!!)

I can see the credit now: "Ian's Dancing Sequences by Industrial Light & Magic"

the actor in 24 HPP just didn't get the dancing quite right, now did he? close, but no cigar.

It would be nice to meet at the cinema two different kinds of fans the darkers of joy division and the pops of new order.A duel of personalities really.

Myself, I'd do a dramatisation. Sean Harris would play Ian, of course, John Simm would play Barney, the guy who played Steve would in 24HPP would be in in it, too. They all got the characters spot on. However, they'd have to cast a new Hooky, one that atually looks like Hooky.

Originally posted by David Delony Myself, I'd do a dramatisation. Sean Harris would play Ian, of course, John Simm would play Barney, the guy who played Steve would in 24HPP would be in in it, too. They all got the characters spot on. However, they'd have to cast a new Hooky, one that atually looks like Hooky.

What about Chuck Norris plays Hooky,he looks like him at JD days.

I'd be glad if it never gets off the ground - face it, in all the years since then, every possible opinion and interpretation of the events have been well recorded in interviews and books - there is nothing more to say about it that would shed any more light on the subject. What could a movie add? It comes down to reliving and re-interpreting the past, trying to be in those moments that happened 25 years ago on a secondhand level, by watching a bunch of actors giving their best guess on something that is lost forever. Listen to the music - it's still alive, still powerful. The era, the band, Ian - they're all gone. And that's what makes it beautiful.

i don't think you could ever really make a movie on joy division, at least not a dramatic movie. with the exception of ian, i don't think they'll make very good characters in a film. movies usually like to sum people up into neat and interesting characters with key personality traits, and i don'think you could do that with JD. i highly doubt the band would tell the movie makers anything significant about their personal lives during that period, and the rest has been said already.

A boring, logical thought-if the film company had bought the rights to dramatise Deborah's book, then surely they'll base the film on the book, at least loosely, what's the point of buying the rights otherwise ? I mean they could do a documentary any given time without buying any rights. So, they'll probably make it into some sort of a romance, however disgusting it sounded, because it's the easiest and cheapest to produce, with some music in it, and not much on the other members of the group, because they won't tell the producers anything. I'm still waiting for my copy of Touching to arrive, so I'm not sure how much is there on the other bandmembers, but from I've understood based on other NOOLers opinions-not much. I've finally seen 24HPP, in my opinion it works because it's a comedy, but you couldn't really do a comedy about Ian, could you ? I guess I'm a pessimist about this one. A really good documentary would be in order though, and it might as well be a TV documentary.

Documentary about Joy Division ? They´ve doing this for 23 years,don´t they?

I thought 24HPP pretty much covered it. The only thing lacking was a full length gig recreation.

Originally posted by Love Will Tear Us Apart Documentary about Joy Division ? They´ve doing this for 23 years,don´t they?

...but I haven't yet seen a really good in-depth doucumentary specifically on Joy Division, perhaps with some dramatic recreation, but with as much real footage as possible, perhaps not only of the band, but of fans from that era as well, and footage of Manchester from the late 70s and early 80s, but I repeat with all the possible live footage and recreations as accurate as possible (you can't get Ian's dancing exactly right however good an actor you are-that's why he was unique (among other things).

...but I haven't yet seen a really good in-depth doucumentary specifically on Joy Division, perhaps with some dramatic recreation, but with as much real footage as possible, perhaps not only of the band, but of fans from that era as well, and footage of Manchester from the late 70s and early 80s, but I repeat with all the possible live footage and recreations as accurate as possible (you can't get Ian's dancing exactly right however good an actor you are-that's why he was unique (among other things).

I haven't yet seen a really good in-depth documentary on ANY band. To use an example of a rock film about a charismatic frontsman who topped himslf - The Doors movie was shit, and came nowhere near capturing the atmosphere around the band like some of the documentaries I'd seen previously. The guy who played Curtis in the 24hpp film did it incredibly badly (the on-stage scenes I mean) the dance was awful. I think Touching from a distance is not an interesting story or a good start for a good film on JD. I want a good documentary using as much footage as possible. Say no to dramatisations!

id like it to be good