r2 docco

Originally posted by Mr Ben Why don't we make one? it could be a decent length (3+ hours is what is required), we could license the archive recordings of hannet & gretton from the beeb or whoever and do new interviews with the rest of the crowd. gotta be better than this load of tosh written by people who don't care about the band. and we can stop neil tennant from appearing again and telling his boring blue monday story.

EXCELLENTE! :D IT COULD COINCIDE WITH THE RELEASE OF COMMUNITY! ALTHO' IT MIGHT BE TOUGH

thats a damn good idea. a data cd with the whole 3 hour docco in mp3 as the b side.

Originally posted by Johnny Giles I'm gonna go against the grain slightly and say I thought the doc was pretty good on the whole, *for what it was meant to be*. It contained valid comments from all the key players and drew attention to the main events in the bands first 10 years. Yes, I think PCL should have been commented upon, it benchmarked a sea-change in British music, but I guess the bands' transition from industry to technology was covered in the EGG section, and there was only 1 hour to play with. Thing is, can justice be done, to all JD-NO achieved in that period in just one hour? well, for many devotees like us, the answer I guess is 'no'. We devour every tiny morsel the media produces and have done so regimentally for the last 20 years+, we know the story inside and out, almost better than our own lives, we sometimes feel it's part of our own lives. Realistically, how much new stuff did we expect to get from this? after all, it is a retrospective. When the objective is to compress a long story into a bite size chunk, our info-hungry appetites are unlikely to feel satisfied.I would guess these type of broadcasts are targeted at a broader 'quite interested' market who want a general overview of the history of the band, more than the detail-junkies [myself very much included] who come on this site on a daily basis. They aint ever gonna win with us, the weary expert is always the hardest to please ;)For what it was supposed to be, I felt it did the job. And what New Order related project would feel right without the odd blatant mistake for us to crawl all over!

Beautifully put, JG - your review reads almost like a summary of Retro as well! CTB

i thought it was just about ok. fully agree about the research errors.

did anyone else notice that they said it took 6 months to record TPK and then just skipped over it? surely it would have been worth asking the band why it too so long and then maybe playing some of it ON ITS OWN??

i've got a feeling that it will be better next week. hopefully some hedonistic stories from the technique days. here's hoping...

Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by CTB> > > Beautifully put, JG - your review reads almost like a summary of Retro as well! > CTB>

My thoughts, entirely, Candy. I've just read through two pages of this post and it sounded like the Retro rehash all over again. Even before this was broadcast, I couldn't help but think we weren't gonna hear anything, that we didn't already know, so I was a bit, like, why bother? And I didn't. Bother, that is. I would've listened to it online at some point this week but it doesn't seem worth the effort now, does it, after all these comments?

Al, it is quite shocking how much was used from the 'Here Are The Young Men, Now That We've Grown Up Together' documentary broadcast in '87 'ish. Although that doc. is (in my opinion) the benchmark interview archive (especially as some original protagonists have passed), you would have thought that Radcliffe would have at least attempted some fresh direction?, some original and genuine input?

Listen to it Al, if only to ensure you have witnessed the most lazy, pathetic attempt to chronicle the JD/NO story. Utterly worthless, for fan and non-fan. In reality, you could have shoved the 1 hour into 5 mins. and still had time for a cup of tea. I would be interested to hear your opinions on it. I thought it would be pretty average, I didn't expect it to be crap (with so much material and interesting events to go on!). It was as if Radio 2 hadn't even watched 24hr pp before embarking on the project. In fact, half way through they go 'here's some fans questions' which were so predictable they weren't worth answering.

To add to the catastrophe, glaring mistakes were so upsetting as to make the entire show an absolute disgraceful sham. Moby has propelled himself to dizzy new heights of rubbish'ness, which can't have been easy. Miranda who? ... oh dear. I'm surprised the few snippits of Barney and co. weren't ended by them saying 'have you not got an original question to put to us, this is a waste of time'.

Any chance of getting some of these old radio interviews and documentaries up in the audio archives, Mr Webmaster? It'd be interesting to hear old items for the/my first time

Andy.

Originally posted by Johnny Giles > Originally posted by CTB> > > Beautifully put, JG - your review reads almost like a summary of Retro as well! > CTB>

It's uncanny you should say that WG, as it's exactly what I was thinking as I was writing!.

I kinda feel that we let ourselves get a bit over excited in anticiption of these events which can mean only 1 outcome - disappointment, as a certainty.

Huntsdude, we didn't really expect Radcliffe to reinvent the wheel on a story that's already been told on umpteen occassions just to keep the 'ardcore happy? did we?. Just cos said 'ardcore wanna do a compare & contrast with all previously available material. I doubt 80%-90% of the people who've listened to the prog will be aware of any overlap with some broadcasts from 15 years back.

We're the 10%-20% [& that's probably a generous estimate], with a bad case of NO OCD, who Radcliffe and Co arn't gonna bend over backwards to keep happy. The lengths and efforts just wouldn't be worth while.

I just can't get too excited about the lack of new spin, surely every angle of this tale has been explored and published somewhere or other.

So it begs the obvious and much-repeated question to light - if the nostalgia component of NO's appeal is so strong (and marketable), why don't we hear more of the back catalogue live? Some of the interview anecdotes are sounding as well-rehearsed as the live renditions of LWTUA et al.

Oops, sorry - rant over. CTB

JG, the thing I don't understand is what the doc. was all about. With nothing new to promote, it seems unlikely it was a vehicle to attract new fans, with it being so light, it was not aimed at the hardcore.

So, why chose such a good story to fill a bit of air space? - seems a bit incongruous, especially when Mark Radish Leaf was at the helm.

No your right, it would have been silly to expect something quite new on such a famous story, but I did hope for something to sparkle. There doesn't have to be a great big massive huge point to everything in the world at all times, but its nice if there is some gold beneath the water. I have come to terms with the fact that Retro does contain mostly all NO could offer, which is something.

Apologies if I sound like a whining sod, we ran out of milk this morning and I've yet to consume a decent mug of tea.

The New Order Story Part II next Saturday, is Blind Date still on?

One would hope that Part 2 may be a bit more informative. The original Radio 1 two-parter told the story up to 1988, so they shouldn't be able to just plunder that to make another programme. Talking of which, you can maybe forgive them using that particular archive for the Gretton and Hannett soundbites, God rest, but to use the Saville and Gillian Gilbert bits as well was pretty lazy.

Originally posted by Johnny Giles > Originally posted by Huntsman> JG,> the thing I don't understand is what the doc. was all about. With nothing new to promote, it seems unlikely it was a vehicle to attract new fans, with it being so light, it was not aimed at the hardcore.> > So, why chose such a good story to fill a bit of air space? - seems a bit incongruous, especially when Mark Radish Leaf was at the helm.> > >

Yes, that is difficult to explain. Why was such a prog commissioned during an obvious fallow period for the band?. If it had come out 2 weeks prior to the release of Retro, then fair enough, but now?. Guess the Beeb can do what they want, when they want, but you'd think it would have more listener appeal if NO had something out in the public eye at the same time. Dunno.

Ees obvious. Saville was late for the recording.....

Have listened to the Doc a second time and find Mark Radcliffe quite annoying. The only real highlight for me was hearing "At A Later Date" for the first time in years(i have "Live At The Electric Circus" EP, but alas, no record player). All in all it was okay and good to hear stories about the band that i had forgot about. Will be tuning in for part 2.

Originally posted by Solitude > Originally posted by Johnny Giles> > ..oh & the bit when Mark Radcliffe said they'd been scouring the internet for questions from fans to put to the band, that got my ears pricked up, was hoping to hear the names of NOOL folk but didnae recognise any of 'em. Hands up if you're out there.....> > Martin Johnson of London> Mark Furnell> Maria Slaski of Hobart > > Apologies for spelling!> > >

This is blatant favouritism for the christian names starting with 'M'. I'll cancel my BBC licence. Disgusted from Norwich

Names beginning with "M" get my vote

Names beginning with "M" get my vote

Marko, did you get my email?

Part II was alot better

I agree,tonights second part was so much better.I enjoyed it a lot.Just burn't it to CD.

Originally posted by Solitude > > > Names beginning with "M" get my vote

Marko, did you get my email?

Got it Peter, will send one back Monday.