Just seen 24hrpp for first time

My DVD arrived this morning, 2 disc set with the extras , wasnt sure what to expect but wow the best £12 i have ever spent what a cracking piece of film, I also learnt a lot of new things i never knew about Factory/JD/NO like barney producing some of the earlier happy mondays stuff.

I'm sure most people have seen it already , if you havent definitely go and buy , cracking film!

maybe this has been discussed before, maybe not, but this is something that didn't sit right with me about the film:

the first JD performance in the film shows stephen playing in his classic minimalistic style. THEN we see Martin "schooling" Stephen on how to play "slower but faster," which eventually prompts Morris to play the distinctive part from "She's Lost Control." This is giving Martin credit for heavily influencing Stephen's style which, to a musician, is a slap in the face (unless the martin/morris relationship runs deeper, and martin truely did have enormous impact on Stephen's development over a long period of time).

I see your point, but Martin was telling everyone how do it , and on the factory floor version with Hooky commenting on him telling him how to play bass.

I'm sure Steve would of passed it ok , otherwise it would of been changed or left out, then again Tony wanted some scenes cut and they never were.

I still love the film to bits though :D

i like the film as well, but there are some things...

As the great man (Wilson) says in his commentary, a lot of the film is untrue! Cottrel Boyce probably wanted to get hannett over as a genius, as compared to our steve, he is much more of a main character in it. Lets face it, in the film, steve is effectively bit character, even less than the rest of New Order, he doesnt even get a look in during the blue monday bit!

What about Gillian? She has what, one scene, where her and Steve (I think) rush for the leftoves in the recording studio. That was pretty funny though. :) I loved this movie, but it barely mentioned New Order. I thought it would go deeper into them, as well as Joy Division. Oh well, still awesome. If I can ever find it, I'll definatly buy it.

i really liked the scene where they left steve on the roof to drum and told him he couldnt come down until he was finished

Originally posted by Razed In A New Division Of Agony What about Gillian? She has what, one scene, where her and Steve (I think) rush for the leftoves in the recording studio. That was pretty funny though. :) I loved this movie, but it barely mentioned New Order. I thought it would go deeper into them, as well as Joy Division. Oh well, still awesome. If I can ever find it, I'll definatly buy it.

Gillian is in a scene with steve where the bouncer (played by Paul Ryder) wont let them in the hacienda.

She is also in the blue monday scene and the scene in the facotry office when they are listening to the lyric-less version of Yes Please.

There is a cut scene with New Order in a cafe in manchester where gillain says that learning a keyboard is easy. The scene drags, so no wonder it ended up on the cutting room floor.

Happy Mondays did not 'break' Factory. They were one of the few bands on the label that was selling any records, and its yet another myth that 'Yes Please' sunk the label. They played their part, but so did NO. Factory, with its 'unique' approach to accounting and business practice hit the self-destruct button from day one...its amazing it lasted as long as it did.

Happy Mondays may well be "Twats". Apart from Bernard and Tony Wilson, no sane person would want Shaun Ryder within 100 miles of their home. but they are also the "twats" who made one of the most essential records of the 1990s i.e Bummed. They were the living embodiment of late 80s Thatcherism and as such they should be preserved like a stately home. As twats go, they were pretty important twats.

____________________________________ "I've always thought Paul Morley was full of shit anyway" Rob Gretton.

I tend to agree, although New Order were only a small part of the reason of factory going bust, and i daresay electronic didnt exactly damage the factory books.

The Mondays must take their fair share of the blame, according to Hooky himself (Middles 1996) they spent an unbelievable amount of money. You've got to sday that the whole Hacienda and 'Gunchester' thing did it for factory though...

Originally posted by Chris There were a few good moments in 24hrPP but I'd much rather watch the proposed 'Transmission' film... Hardly any New Order in the aforementioned, and not enough Joy Division, especially when you consider that they were the two bands who MADE Factory, rather than broke it.

I agree with you there. Okay movie, but could've been done much better on the whole Joy Division front. I've emailed Double A films, the production company that bought the rights to Debbie Curtis' book, to inquire about the status of "Transmission," but no word back yet (I doubt there will be). Perhaps they're waiting for a few years since 24HPP came out relatively recently. Now if only the movie would capture the feel of the photos you see of the band...and so on. I could rant and ramble for hours about how I would make the movie. I can't see it being difficult to film, and a low budget documentary-style look would benefit it immensely, I think. Oh, I'm rambling again. More talk on this later once I finish a script for it (which I'm putting off for several months).

Originally posted by Sean Taugher maybe this has been discussed before, maybe not, but this is something that didn't sit right with me about the film:the first JD performance in the film shows stephen playing in his classic minimalistic style. THEN we see Martin "schooling" Stephen on how to play "slower but faster," which eventually prompts Morris to play the distinctive part from "She's Lost Control." This is giving Martin credit for heavily influencing Stephen's style which, to a musician, is a slap in the face (unless the martin/morris relationship runs deeper, and martin truely did have enormous impact on Stephen's development over a long period of time).

don't take this film as a bible on the rise and fall of factory records. it's a biography wrapped in fiction wrapped in legend wrapped in a damn hilarious good time!

although i'm sure tony wilson has in fact seen himself as god coming down from the sky at one point or another. people in arizona see jesus' face in tortillas all the time so this part of the story is entirely plausible.

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Originally posted by AgentWood > Originally posted by Sean Taugher> maybe this has been discussed before, maybe not, but this is something that didn't sit right with me about the film:> > the first JD performance in the film shows stephen playing in his classic minimalistic style. THEN we see Martin "schooling" Stephen on how to play "slower but faster," which eventually prompts Morris to play the distinctive part from "She's Lost Control." This is giving Martin credit for heavily influencing Stephen's style which, to a musician, is a slap in the face (unless the martin/morris relationship runs deeper, and martin truely did have enormous impact on Stephen's development over a long period of time).

don't take this film as a bible on the rise and fall of factory records. it's a biography wrapped in fiction wrapped in legend wrapped in a damn hilarious good time!

although i'm sure tony wilson has in fact seen himself as god coming down from the sky at one point or another. people in arizona see jesus' face in tortillas all the time so this part of the story is entirely plausible.

i think you missed what i was getting at. i know this film isn't grounded in reality. my problem is simply that a fellow drummer is not being given credit where credit is due. however, this doesn't change the fact that i've watched the movie so many times, my fiance has threatened to throw it in the street :D

I love 24hpp - the US release is only one disc, and I'm dying to see the extra deleted scenes... The Wilson commentary is fantastic. I agree with the majority of the posts here - it's not a straight-up bio by any means and should be viewed in the same light as any of the Factory enterprises, i.e. through postmodernism, situationalism, etc. (All of the smokable ideologies that cast a wondrous haze around the Hacienda - something I was happy to see recreated so well in the movie, never having had the chance to make a pilgrimage there myself)Watching the film inspired me to read Bez's book, as well as the Middles New Order/ Joy Division book. Can anyone recommend anything else?

Obviously, those who saw the film on initial release at the flicks would no doubt have been nit-picking at all the deliberate errors of detail and continuity that ran throughout the whole thing. Most glaring for me, of course, was Happy Mondays when they started off with Freaky Dancin' (and the notorious takeaway salvaged from the bin incident - which was actually true) - Shaun Ryder - and much of the band for that matter - had a convict's crop - NOT the Madchester-era flowing locks he was sporting in the film.

Another daft rumour that was circulating was that ACR's "Tanfastic" legs were actually painted that colour - but then, with Factory myths and legends - ANYTHING is possible, innit? :D