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Just found this quotation:
"New Order were always the most obvious parallel with us, although they do trade on their reputation a little more than we do because they've been blessed with legendary status through the death of Ian Curtis. " - Robert Smith, The Cure
Yeah right Bob, I'm sure Hooky et al are thanking their lucky stars every day for the blessing of Ian Curtis hanging himself. Twat.
Uhm, were New Order always the parallel with The Cure or were The Cure always the most obvious parallel with New Order??? This might be the question. 
I choose the latter version as for Simon Gallop ripping Hookys playing-style off.
Who have started leeching the over first? Not so easy, "Seventeen seconds" and "the top" are really good LP whith their own style, and The Cure are great playing live (see them playing in Orange's Anthic Theater in 85 or 86, 2hours of good music).New Order are really bad playing live (see them in Montpellier in 89, 1 hour of crap), but I love the way they played on Taras Chevchenko. I think R.Smith is right whith the fact Ian's death helps New Order beeing a cult band, but truth is that New order never achived to be a popular band (because of the factory politics?), The Cure where as famous as Eminem in the years 84 to 87 (in France). Now The Cure is an "has been" band, New order/Joy division will forever be a cult band as the Velvet underground or the Stooges even if the only song that will survive them in the history of music is Blue monday. New Order is better because of the mistery, and their music touch the soul as if the songs were written for each one of us personaly. Love will tear us apart - Charlotte sometimes Blue Monday - The walk Sunrise - A forest Dreams never end - In beetween days All the way - Just like heaven Closer stuff (steeve drummings) - Pornography stuff Many other exemples? The worst of this history is the Cure achieving a great hit (in between days) playing a la New Order. The funniest is New Order whith "all the way" copying The Cure copying NO.
Originally posted by Known Pleasures Can anyone name me a front-man with the surname Smith who isn't a prick ?
yeah, no problem - Mark E....oh you're right
Originally posted by Dave Fox What year was that quote?
July 1989
Originally posted by Atrocity Exhibit Just found this quotation:"New Order were always the most obvious parallel with us, although they do trade on their reputation a little more than we do because they've been blessed with legendary status through the death of Ian Curtis. " - Robert Smith, The Cure Yeah right Bob, I'm sure Hooky et al are thanking their lucky stars every day for the blessing of Ian Curtis hanging himself. Twat.
Imagine if New Order started their career playing Joy Division songs and using their image.What the hell this twat would say?
Originally posted by Known Pleasures Can anyone name me a front-man with the surname Smith who isn't a prick ?
Patti Smith. :D
Originally posted by Known Pleasures Since when has Patti been a front-MAN ?
Since "Rock N'Roll Niger". Anyway, she's an excelent front-human being.
Originally posted by Budvar Huber Well, he is still in time to bless the Cure with (semi)legendary status, is he not?
If fat Bob hangs himself, that would perhaps give the Cure semi legendary status but I don't think the rest of that bunch would be capable of carrying on without him. If after Ian's death the quality had diminished then NO would have lasted a few years at the most. Nobody can carry off what they did and achieve such heights based only on a legend.
fat bob hanging himself? wouldnt he need some sort of fucking mega rope to complete the task successfully? 
Originally posted by Drep Hemarsarkus fat bob hanging himself? wouldnt he need some sort of fucking mega rope to complete the task successfully?
just get him some of that cable that they use on suspension bridges...surely if it can keep the Golden Gate Bridge up, it could help Bobby...of course the next question would be if he could find a structure that was sound enough to suppor the cable and his weight! :D
Just drown the c**t in a bath of cream cakes - looks like he's been trying to do that himself for years - not the best obituary though:
'Robert Smith of 'The Cure' was yesterday found dead with his face in a bath of cream cakes.A close firend commented, 'He's been working on this particular suicide for years. He was so jealous of New Order that he thought he'd have to finally do something that would be remembered. We tried pulling him out of the cake, but on his fifth attempt, he eventually died.' Mr Smith will be missed by...erm...no one.'
Actually, I quite like alot of the Cure stuff, and Barney & Hooky aren't exactly 'slim' are they? Gillian can be forgiven - she's popped 2 sprogs. As for Steve - a great advertisemnet for the dietary benefits of being a chain-smoker...
Originally posted by Known Pleasures Since when has Patti been a front-MAN ?
Would you like to pick a fight with her? not me, she's the man.
Originally posted by Cowboy > Originally posted by Drep Hemarsarkus> fat bob hanging himself? wouldnt he need some sort of fucking mega rope to complete the task successfully?
just get him some of that cable that they use on suspension bridges...surely if it can keep the Golden Gate Bridge up, it could help Bobby...of course the next question would be if he could find a structure that was sound enough to suppor the cable and his weight! :D
Originally posted by Geri > Originally posted by Budvar Huber> Well, he is still in time to bless the Cure with (semi)legendary status, is he not?
If fat Bob hangs himself, that would perhaps give the Cure semi legendary status but I don't think the rest of that bunch would be capable of carrying on without him. If after Ian's death the quality had diminished then NO would have lasted a few years at the most. Nobody can carry off what they did and achieve such heights based only on a legend. If Porl and Borris were still in the band, they might have a chance of carrying on. Of course, singing auditions betweein Simon, Perry, Porl, and Rodger would need to be held.
Originally posted by Budvar Huber Well, he is still in time to bless the Cure with (semi)legendary status, is he not?
Maybe 20 years ago. Nowadays, who would care besides the supermarkets?
Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope Let's also not forget that Mr. Smith wrote that horribly racist song "Killing An Arab."
Or more like lifted exact words from the English translation of Camus's "L'Etranger" and set them to music.
Originally posted by Who is this man that follows me? > Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope> Let's also not forget that Mr. Smith wrote that horribly racist song "Killing An Arab."
Or more like lifted exact words from the English translation of Camus's "L'Etranger" and set them to music. Well, they aren't the exact words, but the situation is the same.
Bizarre; what are you saying that Camus's 'L'etranger' was racist? Grow up.
The first Cure album was sublime. I interviewed Smith over the phone during this period (when I was doing a 'what's on' magazine in Brighton) and he seemed like a really nice geezer. The Forest (the 2nd album?) was equally sublime; but only the title track; which if I remember went on for the whole side of the record (vinyl, man), or maybe I had a 12" version. Whatever, it was fucking cool; and I also saw them live a few times around this period.
Nobody's mentioned he also started playing with Siouxie and the Banshees as well, after she inexplicably fired the guitarist and drummer off their first album. Clearly this affected him, as he then started sacking members of The Cure, and basically turning into a full time lush; at which point I lost interest in him. Although I did have a Cure album, which had 'Hanging Garden' on it which was so self flaggelating (?) that it was brilliant ("I'm always 'wrong'). A great talent gone to s(p)eed.
I don't think you can take anything he said during this period (most of his adult life) very seriously; but having lived through this period I can assure you that a) The Cure were a force to be reckoned with b) nobody ever got them mixed up with New Order - or vice Versa. Probably worth remembering that people like Public Image, U2, and Simple Minds were also there or thereabouts (and playing equally smallscale gigs) at this point. To me New Order are the only ones to have come through with any musical or ideological integrity (as much as I love John Lydon) - I can't listen to any of the others any more.
Originally posted by Martin Fenner Bizarre; what are you saying that Camus's 'L'etranger' was racist? Grow up.The first Cure album was sublime. I interviewed Smith over the phone during this period (when I was doing a 'what's on' magazine in Brighton) and he seemed like a really nice geezer. The Forest (the 2nd album?) was equally sublime; but only the title track; which if I remember went on for the whole side of the record (vinyl, man), or maybe I had a 12" version. Whatever, it was fucking cool; and I also saw them live a few times around this period.Nobody's mentioned he also started playing with Siouxie and the Banshees as well, after she inexplicably fired the guitarist and drummer off their first album. Clearly this affected him, as he then started sacking members of The Cure, and basically turning into a full time lush; at which point I lost interest in him. Although I did have a Cure album, which had 'Hanging Garden' on it which was so self flaggelating (?) that it was brilliant ("I'm always 'wrong'). A great talent gone to s(p)eed.I don't think you can take anything he said during this period (most of his adult life) very seriously; but having lived through this period I can assure you that a) The Cure were a force to be reckoned with b) nobody ever got them mixed up with New Order - or vice Versa. Probably worth remembering that people like Public Image, U2, and Simple Minds were also there or thereabouts (and playing equally smallscale gigs) at this point. To me New Order are the only ones to have come through with any musical or ideological integrity (as much as I love John Lydon) - I can't listen to any of the others any more.
First and foremost, I was joking about the whole racism thing (hence the winking smilie). As a huge aficionado of both The Cure and Albert Camus, it always makes me laugh heartily when people suggest "The Stranger" or "Killing An Arab" is racist, as they just don't get it. But then again, some people say existentialism (or absurdism, to be more exact in Camus' case) is just an excuse for a bad mood.
Secondly, the 2nd Cure album (if one doesn't count "Three Imaginary Boys") which contains "A Forest" is called Seventeen Seconds.
Thirdly, Smith was already a lush before he joined the Banshees, but it didn't stop him from making music. Lots of drinking and drugs during 1982's Pornography period. And after he exited the Banshees, the Cure's lineup was up to 5 people for 1984's "The Top," after which he fired the drummer while on tour in Japan after said drummer (with a drinking problem) got plastered and attacked people.
Fourthly, the Cure album containing "The Hanging Garden" is 1982's Pornography, but the lyrics you cite are from the song "Other Voices" off the 1981 album "Faith."
Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope > Originally posted by Martin Fenner> Bizarre; what are you saying that Camus's 'L'etranger' was racist? Grow up.> > The first Cure album was sublime. I interviewed Smith over the phone during this period (when I was doing a 'what's on' magazine in Brighton) and he seemed like a really nice geezer. The Forest (the 2nd album?) was equally sublime; but only the title track; which if I remember went on for the whole side of the record (vinyl, man), or maybe I had a 12" version. Whatever, it was fucking cool; and I also saw them live a few times around this period.> > Nobody's mentioned he also started playing with Siouxie and the Banshees as well, after she inexplicably fired the guitarist and drummer off their first album. Clearly this affected him, as he then started sacking members of The Cure, and basically turning into a full time lush; at which point I lost interest in him. Although I did have a Cure album, which had 'Hanging Garden' on it which was so self flaggelating (?) that it was brilliant ("I'm always 'wrong'). A great talent gone to s(p)eed.> > I don't think you can take anything he said during this period (most of his adult life) very seriously; but having lived through this period I can assure you that a) The Cure were a force to be reckoned with b) nobody ever got them mixed up with New Order - or vice Versa. Probably worth remembering that people like Public Image, U2, and Simple Minds were also there or thereabouts (and playing equally smallscale gigs) at this point. To me New Order are the only ones to have come through with any musical or ideological integrity (as much as I love John Lydon) - I can't listen to any of the others any more.
First and foremost, I was joking about the whole racism thing (hence the winking smilie). As a huge aficionado of both The Cure and Albert Camus, it always makes me laugh heartily when people suggest "The Stranger" or "Killing An Arab" is racist, as they just don't get it. But then again, some people say existentialism (or absurdism, to be more exact in Camus' case) is just an excuse for a bad mood.
Secondly, the 2nd Cure album (if one doesn't count "Three Imaginary Boys") which contains "A Forest" is called Seventeen Seconds.
Thirdly, Smith was already a lush before he joined the Banshees, but it didn't stop him from making music. Lots of drinking and drugs during 1982's Pornography period. And after he exited the Banshees, the Cure's lineup was up to 5 people for 1984's "The Top," after which he fired the drummer while on tour in Japan after said drummer (with a drinking problem) got plastered and attacked people.
Fourthly, the Cure album containing "The Hanging Garden" is 1982's Pornography, but the lyrics you cite are from the song "Other Voices" off the 1981 album "Faith."
That sounds about right - although strangely I never had 'Faith'; must just be the catchy lyric! I'm afraid I ignore the little faces as they just get on my nerves, but I appreciate your clarification.
Originally posted by Rainmaster Uhm, were New Order always the parallel with The Cure or were The Cure always the most obvious parallel with New Order??? This might be the question.
Yeah Right, daniel Hooky was First,and his Haircut was Better
The quote itself seems a bit tongue-in-cheek, not necessarily "ha-ha", but more than just a mean-spirited swipe at the band. It's certainly more grammatically correct than what passes for band-against-band backtalking these days. I think Bobby was just stating something that a lot of people probably thought (in a sense, "thank god Ian died, that way they could move into dance and become successful" or something like that). He might have felt the band traded on the legendary status of their previous incarnation to attain their own place in the pantheon of rock ("We're carrying on, in memory..."). I doubt Rob wished for Ian's death or anything like that. Of course, I could be wrong....
Remember in the book From JD to NO, when Tony was erroneously quoted as having said "Ian's death was the best thing that ever happened to Factory" or something similar? It could very well be the case that this is a case of that (journalist putting words into an interviewee's mouth). I don't suppose any of you thought of that when you started calling him a prick?
Originally posted by Martin "ZERO" Hannett The best song by The Cure is their cover of "Love Will Tear Us Apart"
It's a better cover than their Doors one, that's for sure.
"Yeah, we like the Doors. But Barney and Hooky hadn't even heard of the Doors."
Originally posted by Major Tarantino The cure are shit.
The Cure are THE shit - but I think that just might be an old American expression.
Originally posted by Who is this man that follows me? > Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope> Let's also not forget that Mr. Smith wrote that horribly racist song "Killing An Arab."
Or more like lifted exact words from the English translation of Camus's "L'Etranger" and set them to music.
i have to give props to mr. smith and co., as it was 'killing an arab' that made me want to read camus in the first place!
unfortunately, we weren't supposed to play it on our high school radio station which was terribly upsetting as we were all very angsty young ladies and gents.
Originally posted by Love Will Tear Us Apart The best song by The Cure is their cover of "Love Will Tear Us Apart"
that cover could easily be the worst ever if it wasnt for "what a wonderfull world" by nick cave and the drunk one from the pogues
The drunk one from the Pogues? Which one? 
Do you mean Shane McGowan? Last time I saw him, he was in Filthy MacNasty's in Amwell Street, sprawled across the bar, pint of dry Martini in hand... :barf:
is Shane even still alive??? I think he had had more to drink than our beloved Barney!
and weren't the Pogues at Finsbury the day before the order??
