Your input is more than welcomed! -- about the new design

Love it, great feel to it, more energy. At first I though I was at the wrong site, then I was like woh. I like how it more personal, I hope to see more of it. Great job! Maybe you could add a guitar and bass tabs section while your at it?

I thought I was at the wrong site, too! In fact, upon seeing the Monaco album there, I thought I got redirected to Ally's old site!

I do like it though. What's with the inbox and sent messages? It says I have one sent message?

Looks great! Took forever to load but we are having a helluva thunderstorm right now.

I love it! wenorder, after seeing some of your sites for other businesses, this design is the best yet :)

i also noticed a message inbox, have not played with it yet, but what is it for/how does it work?

What exactly am I supposed to notice that's different. Looks much the same to. Do I have a dumb computer, or just a 1d10t error?

The front page looks great, I'm sure there are still some things to tweak (like trying to view the profile of the poster in the Latest Posts section). Must've missed the informatin about the blogs though, don't remember seeing anything about them, or the blogs themselves, before today.

what a great intro for a new week!!! really love the front page!!! nice one guys!!! lets alll of us make some picture treatments at this days to get as many as possible pics with over 900 pixels. I can send many pics of Hooky when he was in Thessaloniki for his djing set.

The new homepage I take it. Ok seen it top stuff.

Looks better... Is it possible to have the FAQ /FAC Bar on the home page though?

There's a frontpage?

Very nice!

I love it.

Looks sharp. Spend most of the time on the forum anyway. One gripe is that big section between the page header and the news, could do without that.

It’s a lot better than the old one, that’s for sure. I like it – especially the fact it’s now cantered properly.

Looks good from here-big pat on the back to Wen for all the hard work.

Oops... I thought I followed the wrong link first... But looks nice.

Nick (& Mike),

Overall a very nice site and so on and so on and so on... :)

You know my general opinion of the new design - I'll live with it.

Here are a few comments from the "alternative" browsers$)A!'' point-of-view:

Firefox 1.0.4 (WinXP):

• Looks very nice. The menu is not very obvious, but maybe it shouldn't be that anyway.
• The main "heading"-font (graphic) is not competing well with the fat Arial-font. I think the "heading"-font should be bigger and/or bolder, alternatively making the fat Arial-font smaller.

Opera 7.54 (WinXP):

• Generally see above.
• The "Past Updates" headings (e.g., "RAM's new web site is up" and the "Read More" in the Blog entries are very big (14-16 points?) non-fat, non-italic. underlined Arial-font. Not at all the way it appears in Firefox.
• The menu is not good at all. Same font as in the "Past Updates" headings, plus the font color is dark-blue for non-visited links and purple-red for visited links - probably the default colors in my browser. They lit up nice though when hoovering.

Overall, just minor CSS tweaking.

Good job. /TLV

As my Spanish-speaking friends might say, "muy bien!"

I have to say, it was disconcerting for the first few seconds (thought I was on the wrong page), but I like it, it's more "alive" than the previous design. Top-notch job, whoever all was involved!

I like it. I know fuck all about computers and t'internet, but its nice to look at and easily to navigate.

Actually, cant remember what it used to look like. I always went straight to the forums!

Looks good Takes a while to load though, will each page take so long?

Gotta beat them all Gotta beat them all Colour & pictures ! this t'internet thing is flash Keep up the good stuff Nic

I like the new look,nice one Nic

J'aimes beaucoup! I like a lot!

i didn't notice it until just now since i always come straight to the forums. looks great! not as distracting without all the random non-NO news and crap

I like it a lot. That dark blue is really coasy, but also sharp and streamline. Good Work Wen

And how can I forget the pictures. The random pictures are excellent, always interesting to see a new picture everytime. And I love the blue backgorund picture of Hooky raising his hand.

Very nice work indeed, this design can only be seen as a good thing for neworderonline.com. Please don't let the no-goers persuade you to get rid of it, it's bloody great.

when the front page popped up, the first thing out of my mouth was a big keanu reeves 'whoa!'

i like.

now if you can just figure out why my damn avatar won't show up. i want the world to know about my love for buffy the vampire slayer through my neat-o avatar.

Spotnick wrote: You just need to ask Christy :D

Did I ever tell you I (well, my wife) have all Buffy & Angel DVD boxes?

It's a big, it doesn't save the proper value, I'll fix it when I'll put online the new version of the options/profile, which will be a lot better.

BTW, I just posted the forum index.. everybody is lucky that my home office is the only place with air conditionning in the house... it's so hot and wet in Quebec right now that it's unlivable... 80% humity and 30+ degrees, argh :(

i did ask, several times. but you ignored me. i felt so unloved!

i see it now, thank you. ;)

yep, you told me that you are a fan of all things joss whedon. this means i trust you with my life, you know!

p.s. isn't spike dreamy?

Spotnick wrote:

Sorry if I ignored you, it wasn't my point :embarrassed:

sure. that's what they all say...

Sorry, but have to say that the forum index looks shit at the moment in this new design. Too cluttered, too much going on around the sides of the page.

it looks good, don't get carried away though please

oldmonkey wrote: Sorry, but have to say that the forum index looks shit at the moment in this new design. Too cluttered, too much going on around the sides of the page.

The Artwork is nice. But it's not user friendly, because the user has to scroll, if he has a resolution of 1024 x 768 and smaller. These are these days about 75% of the Internet Users after the statistics of my website.

Looks good at first glance, a bit cluttered, but I love the picture banner. Like before, no doubt I'll get used to it and forget what it looked previously. One thing: can you change the line that reads 'if this is your visit to ....' it looks silly without the word 'first'. other than that, keep up the good work.

In my Message box it says: Sent Items (1 Message). How come?

Really nice job! I like the look a lot. You guys always do a first class job

Spotnick wrote:

oldmonkey wrote: Sorry, but have to say that the forum index looks shit at the moment in this new design. Too cluttered, too much going on around the sides of the page.

I knew you didn't like it too much, but "shit" is maybe pushing it a little?

I just checked it at 1024x768 (I'm usually at 1280x1024), and I don't feel it's too cluttered or anything else

Maybe I just don't get what you mean by "too much going on around the sides of the page"... which resolution are you Tim?

If you go into http://www.neworderonline.com/Forums/ at 1024x768, the left hand menu dominates the page and squeezes the forum bits up too much. The compression ruins the font and makes it look amateurish.

Love it! Nice one, guys!

well when i logged on i thought that the site had finally been given OFFICIAL status as it looks soooo slick. im running it in firefox and no probs so far ,well maybe a tad slow to load up sometimes but the old design did that anyways and there is more content with the new design so buddabing buddaboom to that. im currently looking for a website to be built as well drop me a line if interested.

Yepp, looks good in Firefox. In Opera it seems as if "non-standard" characters (like the ones with ASCII-code > 127, e.g., å ä ö ´ etc.) are displayed in a weird way. I'll try to copy/paste:

From CuanaD's signature. Firefox: Steve: "...sometimes we will be writing and I$)A!/ll say; !.we can!/t do that!-It sounds too much like New Order!/ we can end up writing an old song! !0Stop...this was on Low-Life!1. !0Oh yeah!1!/

Opera: Steve: "...sometimes we will be writing and I’ll say; ‘we can’t do that…It sounds too much like New Order’ we can end up writing an old song! “Stop...this was on Low-Life”. “Oh yeah”’

(Though the characters I see in Opera is mostly a square, â, and |. Unless I go to the Swedish forum of course... :) )

/TLV

Very nice

Dont change the forum too much though, I like it kept "work friendly" ;)

I perosnally like it alot.

That must have been hard to get the random image genrator up and working.

Really like the homepage.

Top notch !

The design is overall very cool, though at 800 x 600 it can be a bit confusing:

• I don't get the blue Hooky background I can see with higher resoloutions.
• The logo is better with "order" in a different colour.
• The random image: wonderful! But a bit too wide. It just moves the site in the lower half of the screen! What about placing a cell with the whole menu on the left (say 20%) and then leaving the other cell for the picture? That way the site is still user friendly and the random image is mantained.
• Yes we have to scroll a lot on lower resolutions. Is it possible to set proportional widths, rather than absolute values? That way the screen could contain the width at any resolution...
• Blue bar and darker grey menu: very good! This makes these areas more evident.
• Past updates menu: here there's a little problem because the items are not separated enough. You could put bullets or alternate the colours of each item.
• I love the Saville colour code at the heigth of the menu with black background.
• The forum main page is alright, I'd just change the background colour of the personal box with avatar and stats. Also the Mamber Centre column is very useful in the main page, but I hope it won't be repeated on each page of the forum because the pages with the messages would look a bit cluttered... Some things to be revised, but congratulations for the hard work and the wonderful results.

Looking good - not too flashy/in your face, but enough of a difference to make it stand out.

We Are All On Drugs wrote: hey...where did everyone's profiles go?!?!?!

that's my question, as well. the link is no longer there....

AWESOME!

the home page looks better laid out

THE MORE I LOG ON THE MORE I LIKE IT. the random pic generator is tremendous and really sets the site apart from a lot of other fan sites of any band neveer mind just new order. if i must have a tiny quible please make it easier to upload our avatar pics? ie not from a url just from our pcs. ive tried n tried but to no avail :(

in love with it, awsome job guys

Very impressed with the new look, well done to all involved.

Spotnick wrote: Forgot to say thanks to those who took a few pictures of what is now and will be on every page ;)

There are currently 70 random pictures, we'll put more, but we need at lease 900 pixels wide to do so...

And hum, forgot to mention that this design is 100% done by WenOrder... not me!

I love the pictures - would make a fantastic screensaver for our own PC's!

Can I submit some images for the randome image generator on the top of the site??

Not feeling the new look to the forums. I haven't sifted through all the feedback posts, but I can't seem to get to the previous page containing older threads. All I see is the first page.

afr0puff wrote: Not feeling the new look to the forums. I haven't sifted through all the feedback posts, but I can't seem to get to the previous page containing older threads. All I see is the first page.

The thread list page looks too crowded, with the left-hand side bar taking space away from the actual thread list.

Spotnick wrote:

Patrick wrote:

afr0puff wrote: Not feeling the new look to the forums. I haven't sifted through all the feedback posts, but I can't seem to get to the previous page containing older threads. All I see is the first page.

The thread list page looks too crowded, with the left-hand side bar taking space away from the actual thread list.

Trust me, it's not LONGER, it's just less wider.

Seems packed maybe, but I feel the right bar will allow people to navigate... too many people on here go directly to the forum.

However, WenOrder *IS* monitoring your comments... I wasn't too sure last night that I liked it when I finished doing it, seems to be missing something, but it's looking nice though.

Yes, Nic, after I made my comment I realized that more width on the actual list wouldn't make it shorter.

Instead of discerning between new and old posts in the forums by just using back and grey background of the icons, could some more obvious-to-the-eyes-color be used?

/TLV

Well done with the redesign - looks good!

This picture scares the shit out of me!

News design looks great, love the pics of the frontpage!

Can you reduce the font size on the forum index pages? Maybe not make everything BOLD? Change the color of the thread subject and we'd be in business towards making a nice step forward in the look.

The design is awesome. Now could you just please stop locking threads when things start to get interesting?

Great design, carry on with the rest of the site

design looks very professional.

looks great, main pages render a bit narrow down the middle in firefox, but not in a way that adversely affects the site.

Stop using f*in Windows Server 2003 Microsoft-IIS/6.0 I'm going to die one day and some moron stistician will work out how much of my life I spent waiting on this bloody site, retyping posts (yes, I'm getting better at remembering to clipboard my more verbose rants), and reading GIBBERISH IIS error pages, that ultimately say "arrrrggggh more than 6 people asked to to do something and I went poo poo in my pants"

I know what your gonna say tho, the whole thing's so deeply embroiled and entwined with FOOKING FP extensions and ASP and activeX and all that other bilge, that NO amount of lobotomizing will allow this site to work on apache without a total ground up recode, and no one expects you to do that, so we're boned. It's a shame really, cos you;ve done a great job on the place, it's become SO successful, that poor old "100 connections limit losedos" can't hack the pace, and there is really is jack you can do about it unless we all stump up for 10 identical servers, and a load balancer.

Of course, one advantage of IIS is that every time the winserver shites itself and reboots, if yer lucky, the site workds really well when it comes back online before everyone realizes it;s back.

ooh! i just posted and up came the new format on there, as well!

i like how you can now see all the forums on the side of every thread.

Can you use this one? I tried to find some of NO from Taras Shev, but kept pulling up the video cover (though that's good as an iconic image itself):

Stiff Kittens, 1977

This is a lot better now, the left margin issue now sorted out.

you can't force fit them, or script them to the right size ?( I dunno what the windows equiv of imagemagick is, but a simple script to munch all incomming files to standard size ( and damn the aspect ratio) should be easy enough whatever it is.)

It still looks narrow in my firefox, I use a high zoom by default, are other firefox users in the same boat? (wish I could remember my password, I'd use opera...but foxy has the cookie so I keep usin it)

Great job guys! The new look is catchy and I like these NO related pictures poping up in the top of the pages. Thanks!!!

Like I say it COULD be my zoom settings, which are disaggreeing with something you've specified. Which is why I really should try to remember my password and use opera....cos it zooms properly (note to firefox evangelists:fuck off!, no really save your lies, I've used em all, and opera,closed and evil tho it is, works best too as long as you don't ask it to render TOO much ie quality code) only browser I ever seen that can do it....and so fast too.

As for image crushin, I suppose I was hoping for a little too much for a serverside image control lib for DOS. Short of bolting The_gimp into your IIS setup, I don't see it being easy.

Anyway, FWIW, the images look fine here.

I'll take a screener of the narrowness if you like, I'm sure it's down to me pushing text size up, but the frames or tables or whatever the hell, being defined in such a way as to stop them expanding with the text.

Oh it also renders just GORGEOUSLY in Konqueror with my over-riding "ceremony-esque" CSS.

The new design looks good, but it is not very functional. Reading the forum is quite painful because 50% of the screen is "wasted" with design elements and unnecessary information. The actual forum screen is narrowed to 50% of the screen. Reading is not that much fun anymore...

Ruined in a day wrote: The new design looks good, but it is not very functional. Reading the forum is quite painful because 50% of the screen is "wasted" with design elements and unnecessary information. The actual forum screen is narrowed to 50% of the screen. Reading is not that much fun anymore...

I agree that at least the extreme right and left margins are totally wasted space.

SO I'm not the only one with a sliver of forum and a lot of nice blue stuff then? Feel better now. Oddly, considering the "fluff and eye candy" factor has gone up, I'd SWEAR the site is running better.

PS, see when you;re doing the post page.....remove the "if username=stevcampbell;timeout=14.3seconds" line please :)

Even thogh you may receive a petition to the contrary.

WenOrder wrote: Not all the information is useless information. When coming up with the design, we took in consideration a few things. Most people do not visit the homepage and goes directly to the forums, So we the decision was made to integrate a few elements from the home page in the forums. Second was creating space to fit in advertisements, which is necessary to do now, because it helps the site out. Then I guess you can say some of the rest might be filler, But the space is there for use to do some other add ons in the future with out doing another redesign.

I do see your point that reading the actual thread pages might be a bit cramped. Maybe we can consider removing the left table for those pages and leave it there for the forum index pages.

We knew that doing this drastic design would please some people and might irratate some people, so this is very helpful getting everyones feedback.

When you get down this far on the page, a very large fraction of the total space from left to right is blank.

I'm afraid I have no idea what my screen resolution is, Nic. But surely the phenomenon of large blank spaces at right and left will occur at some point when you scroll down, regardless of screen resolution? It's not so bad, no, and I recognize that the portion of the screen where ads appear serves a necessary function. It's really the blank spaces at the extreme right and left that seem unnecessary.

WenOrder wrote: Hey patrick, can you post or email a screen capture to us? I'd like to see what you are seeing.

Patrick wrote:

WenOrder wrote: Not all the information is useless information. When coming up with the design, we took in consideration a few things. Most people do not visit the homepage and goes directly to the forums, So we the decision was made to integrate a few elements from the home page in the forums. Second was creating space to fit in advertisements, which is necessary to do now, because it helps the site out. Then I guess you can say some of the rest might be filler, But the space is there for use to do some other add ons in the future with out doing another redesign.

I do see your point that reading the actual thread pages might be a bit cramped. Maybe we can consider removing the left table for those pages and leave it there for the forum index pages.

We knew that doing this drastic design would please some people and might irratate some people, so this is very helpful getting everyones feedback.

When you get down this far on the page, a very large fraction of the total space from left to right is blank.

If you could give me an idea how to do that, I'd be happy to.

WenOrder wrote: Hey patrick, can you post or email a screen capture to us? I'd like to see what you are seeing.

just sent you a screenshot via e-mail, subject: "sreenshot - wasted space".

andy

Spotnick wrote: It might need to scroll more, but it's not that bad... is it?

Actually it is seriously bad, because reading the forum becomes a pain in the eye when the actual text is narrowed to 50% of the screen, and a text line contains very little text... Not much fun anymore...

WenOrder wrote: If you are on a PC, then press print screen. It'll save to your clipboard. open a graphics program. Paint on windows is fine. Paste and save.

Mac you press shift, apple, 3. a file saves to your desktop, and you can send that file.

A graphics program? Clearly we live in different worlds.

WenOrder wrote: Hi Andy,

I got your screenshot. What your are looking at is the site with your screen setting set to an high resolution. So what look like wasted space to you fits just right for people who has lower resolution than you.

The biggest change on NOOL is going from an expandable table where the forums stretches to fit your screen res to a Fixed table. As I mentioned in my earlier post. Taking out the left table is a consideration so we can possibly increase the area to view the posts.

I'm assuming Andy is seeing what I am seeing, so that I don't need to try to do something that appears to be far beyond my technical capabilities.

Spotnick wrote: In other words... the "wasted space" is what most people DON'T see, that's the extra screen space YOU have versus the average user of NOOL...

Well, what shall I say now?

I dont like it its scary.............

it reminds me of when i was a little nutbag and mummy wouldnt let me keep the light on and i was scared cos i thought the bogeyman that lived under my bed was going to get me and i cried myself to sleep everynight cos i couldnt have my nightlight on cos daddy said he hadnt paid the electric bill and he didnt care that i cried myself to sleep every night and that the bogeyman that lived under my bed was going to get me

Could do with lighteneing up a bit nic,being blind as a bat its really difficult for mr to concentrate on the text,please dont make it so scary,i like red i promise i'll be a good boy.:(

nuts wrote: I dont like it its scary.............

it reminds me of when i was a little nutbag and mummy wouldnt let me keep the light on and i was scared cos i thought the bogeyman that lived under my bed was going to get me and i cried myself to sleep everynight cos i couldnt have my nightlight on cos daddy said he hadnt paid the electric bill and he didnt care that i cried myself to sleep every night and that the bogeyman that lived under my bed was going to get me

Could do with lighteneing up a bit nic,being blind as a bat its really difficult for mr to concentrate on the text,please dont make it so scary,i like red i promise i'll be a good boy.:(

You're obviously not the average user...

only thing that confused me at first was the poll icon. i thought it was a mini staircase.

WenOrder wrote: Andy, you make it clear that you don't like the new set up. We appreciate the feedback, but I dunno if your last comment was a small jab a nic's comment about the average user or I'm just misinterpreting it.

Sorry, maybe I just misinterpreted Nic's comment as a friendly way to tell me to get lost with my opinion about the new design. But that certainly was not his intention. Neither was my intention to bitch around about the new design. So let's be friends again, okay? And Mike, the problem is not, that I don't like the new design, it's just that I can't use it anymore, reading the forum is really no more fun... And now I promise to say nothing more about this issue.

Compare

That's opera which treats it as "small screen zoomed" and firefox which treats it as "big screen".

The speed of the link will be about the same as this place....it's hostsed on a 256up aDSL that's being caned by azurues. Sorry.

Very pretty and profesional. It's a bit slow to open from a public computer, but I guess I'm the only one viewing it from internet kiosks.

The new site look is very good.I like the idea with all the photo's showing great history. Good work mate ;)

very nice, but a little bit heavier than the old one to load (to broadband users, no problem).

At home, I have no problems, but using a web access at a hotel last week I took more time to load it, but congratulations for the like "Peter Saville" design, nice work.

Great,nice revamp,dig all the photos at the top of the pageA large WELL DONE to all you lads,or lasses who were involved

nuts wrote: I dont like it its scary.............

it reminds me of when i was a little nutbag and mummy wouldnt let me keep the light on and i was scared cos i thought the bogeyman that lived under my bed was going to get me and i cried myself to sleep everynight cos i couldnt have my nightlight on cos daddy said he hadnt paid the electric bill and he didnt care that i cried myself to sleep every night and that the bogeyman that lived under my bed was going to get me

Could do with lighteneing up a bit nic,being blind as a bat its really difficult for mr to concentrate on the text,please dont make it so scary,i like red i promise i'll be a good boy.:(

I agree with this. It´s a scary forum. Too much dark colours.

Suggestion: take the colours of the last cd as basic colours. At the moment that is white and orange, perfect!

WenOrder wrote: Is that linux?

Steve Campbell wrote: Compare

That's opera which treats it as "small screen zoomed" and firefox which treats it as "big screen".

The speed of the link will be about the same as this place....it's hostsed on a 256up aDSL that's being caned by azurues. Sorry.

Gentoo (which can a take a LONG time to install tho it;s not actually HARD to do a such, it compiles everything from scratch for you, so although it takes ages, the system zings and the package manager for installing other software is so easy I thougt they were joking), the window manager is windowmaker.

Not the prettiest desktop on earth, but I like it cos it's very light, doesn't mind running 2 seperate screens at a time (some of the better desktop environments like KDE, try to get involved in the whole dual head thing which I'd rather do without), and can handle 2 or 3 diffent people using it at once, IE, two or more independent logins each with their own 2 desktops. Try that crap with KDe and you'll run out of ram.

The looks are not helped by my preferring to have light text on a dark background, which limits theme choice in thigs like Opera.....not a bad colour match tho between opera theme and the default desktop colours firefox is using.

There's a pic of Konqueror's version up there now too.....I have it set to my "fairlight" colour scheme, possibly also using the ceremony font (if it's oinstalled I'm using it, I just can't remember if I installed it on Linux). I usually try to set up a user theme or CSS on most browsers, but some website will always over-ride it and I get dark text on a dark page. The new version of Konq, caches the page, then hacks the CSS into it somehow....never been overridden yet.

I was just thinking.....Gawd help anyone who has to log in here from a real computer, a Sun or an SGI or something....with a screen res of 4096xsomething.

Spotnick wrote:

Steve Campbell wrote: Compare

That's opera which treats it as "small screen zoomed" and firefox which treats it as "big screen".

The speed of the link will be about the same as this place....it's hostsed on a 256up aDSL that's being caned by azurues. Sorry.

Well, you have a screen resolution of 1500+ pixels wide.. that's normal when the site is designed for 1024 pixels wide that you see so much blank space, no?

What firefox is doing then is the "expected behaviour", OK-sie....but Opera seems to have worked out what your up to and ignored it, instead rendering it as is, THEN applying it's page zoomer, which apparently has enough smarts to shrink your borders....mad one eh?

Anyway, I assume you used fixed width for a good reason as opposed to "cos you could" and the place does look great. I just use opera for it now not FF.....ahhh dontcha just love freedom of choice.

BTW, regarding slowness (which seems to be response times rather than transfers) IS NOOL hosted on a real server or is it on a virtual server on one machine with 50 others? My bro, a dab hand at this stuff, says he reckons the site will run as is on a suitably altered Apache. Peronally I think he's lying and tranferring to a better server platform would mean a lot of unwelcome work for you.

Remember...even MS use apache when they can, avoiding IIS like the plague.

Steve Campbell wrote: Stop using f*in Windows Server 2003 Microsoft-IIS/6.0 I'm going to die one day and some moron stistician will work out how much of my life I spent waiting on this bloody site, retyping posts (yes, I'm getting better at remembering to clipboard my more verbose rants), and reading GIBBERISH IIS error pages, that ultimately say "arrrrggggh more than 6 people asked to to do something and I went poo poo in my pants"

I'm not getting many errors since NOOL got its own server anyway. Well, the new forum is not bad, a bit darker than the previous maybe (background and icons, though these are definitely clearer now...). I'd just like to have the bar on the right because I have to scroll on the right every time I open a page to be able to read the whole messages. Also I don't like the small Arial font, universally known as the most boring font on the planet. Verdana was much, much more pleasant.

Spotnick wrote: So, the message editor is the last thing to do in the forum section, that shouldn't be too long to do!

Please remember to link to the full smilies list.

One Brain wrote: Nice one, but please correct the caption to Warsaw. They were called Stiff Kittens only on their first gig.

And actually they changed their name to Warsaw when Tony Tabac replaced Terry Mason and Ian joined (he wasn't a Kitten).

Patrick wrote: I'm afraid I have no idea what my screen resolution is, Nic.

If you're on Windows, you can right click on the desktop background and check the options... there's certainly a tab (in English should be "settings", "options" or something similar) with your resolution. You can also choose to keep an icon in the system tray to easier check your resolution and colur. About the graphic program, you certainly have MSPAINT.EXE, you just have to find it with the search feature in the Start menu. Once you have opened it you can click Printscreen on your keyboard and paste it on Paint, then save it as .jpg It's easier to do than to write, really.

Steve Campbell wrote: Compare That's opera which treats it as "small screen zoomed" and firefox which treats it as "big screen".

Uhm, couldn't you browse on a lower resolution with normal font size? I think this site should be judged at 1024 x 768 with 100% text size (not 150). I still think it should be able to be correctly viewed at 800 x 600 (replacing absolute widths wuth proportional ones would help, even for higher resolutions), but I admit that the fact I have to scroll horizontally it's just because I have a low res...

Spotnick wrote: It's hosted on a real server, all by itself.

And no, I won't change to anything else than IIS, don't even try ;)

The reason why it's slow is because of the statistics calculation routine going on in the morning here (before, it was jamming the site completly, now it's just slow)

And also because the server doesn't have lot of memory for a web server running Windows 2003...

Eventually, when the band's help will be available, we might get a better machine than this celeron server, but this is, however, wonderful to have.

I take it that's basically down to the potential hideous workload as opposed to any strange beliefs about apache. I can tell this place uses a lot of MS-ie crp, and for a nice change, uses it well.

What time was that stats routine running before....this site seemed to die in the mid morning UK time for a while, yet there never seemed to be anyone around. I take it the server is remote, at an ISP or server farm? If it were at home, you could add a real junker 486 running some crappy floppy linux distro to do the stats? Perhaps the hosting firm can do that crap for you? Unless of course you mean internal things, like the forums ( how many times certain people have posted nasty threads bout BM, that sort of thing).

Come to think of it, if the machine has too little RAM, apache might not be a great thing on it anyway, linux likes ram, lots of it, not wasteful, just fookin greedy.

Surely we can all chuck a few quid together for a better server. When you says "band's help" you mean them right? not bleedin AOL-time-warner. A back hander from Hooky is cool, getting bought out by "da man" aint so hot :)

Ruined in a day wrote: Actually it is seriously bad, because reading the forum becomes a pain in the eye when the actual text is narrowed to 50% of the screen, and a text line contains very little text... Not much fun anymore...

I don't know... I've read somewhere the ideal text width on a page is 40 to 60%, because if the text lines are as large as the screen they become annoying, the eye gets tired of reading sooner than if changing line more often. Also the text is not very little because it's true that small Arial is ugly as hell, but it's also true it can contain more words in the same space than Verdana. I think the text ratio is about the same as before... also I remember in the old forum the text was about 50% wide too, the difference was just we had the author+avatar column, the text column, and then a white blank column, while now we have the menu column, the author+avatar one and then the text one, though you get two extra columns on higher resolutions...

Just back off me holidays and thought I'd hit the wrong site!

Love it, well done gents

I like the direst links, it is a bit conspicuous but worthwile for the pictures. Good work!

I've seen the new subscribe icon, but when I click it and I should be subscribed the "unsubscribe" icon does not appear as before, there's still "subscribe" on a page with no messages, so nothing tells me I'm subscribed now... I'm sure you'll fix it.

Spotnick wrote:

Steve Campbell wrote:

Spotnick wrote: It's hosted on a real server, all by itself.

And no, I won't change to anything else than IIS, don't even try ;)

The reason why it's slow is because of the statistics calculation routine going on in the morning here (before, it was jamming the site completly, now it's just slow)

And also because the server doesn't have lot of memory for a web server running Windows 2003...

Eventually, when the band's help will be available, we might get a better machine than this celeron server, but this is, however, wonderful to have.

I take it that's basically down to the potential hideous workload as opposed to any strange beliefs about apache. I can tell this place uses a lot of MS-ie crp, and for a nice change, uses it well.

What time was that stats routine running before....this site seemed to die in the mid morning UK time for a while, yet there never seemed to be anyone around. I take it the server is remote, at an ISP or server farm? If it were at home, you could add a real junker 486 running some crappy floppy linux distro to do the stats? Perhaps the hosting firm can do that crap for you? Unless of course you mean internal things, like the forums ( how many times certain people have posted nasty threads bout BM, that sort of thing).

Come to think of it, if the machine has too little RAM, apache might not be a great thing on it anyway, linux likes ram, lots of it, not wasteful, just fookin greedy.

Surely we can all chuck a few quid together for a better server. When you says "band's help" you mean them right? not bleedin AOL-time-warner. A back hander from Hooky is cool, getting bought out by "da man" aint so hot :)

If that ease your mind, Apache is ALSO installed on the server ;) It's running the PLESK configuration platform.

But you see, I'm doing ASP.NET websites for living, so it's normal, and the reason why I started NOOL was to experiment... the upcoming v2.0 of the .NET FrameWork is full of promises, so it should be interesting...

Like I say my only problem is that I can feel the winlag here when I try and get a page :)

Seriously though.....how much cash do we need for something a bit smarter? couldn't we just send you some spare RAM for now? :) poor NOOL is a victom of it's own success as much as NO have been.

I'm up for donating and I'm not the richest round here ( my total income for the last 2 months has been £0). In fact it's been a while since I paid me dues here.

I love it! Wish I could say the same for New Order's latest single.

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I love the random pictures of The Vikings! It's becoming well balanced: official shots, live pics, record sleeves, and fans pics. EXCELLENT!