Your political persuasion?

If everyone voted Green the world would change...

I love 1987 wrote: If everyone bothered to vote, the world would probably be a lot different...

Not in my opinion.

And lets be a little more precise in our definitions here: Socialism is an ideology with the core belief that a society should exist in which popular collectives control the means of power, Fascism is an authoritarian political movement. There is quite a difference, and Im surprised that those around here who call themselves Socialist haven’t pointed it out.

As with anything, your own interpretations of a set of principals don’t change those principals. What you consider yourself, and what you are mean 2 very different things.

I put down Marxist. There is a subtle, but important difference between it and Communist and Socialist - in broader terms though, I have an affiliation with all 3.

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AgentWood wrote:

Leonardo Fiocco wrote: I voted "Fascist" but I mean the original italian idea of Fascism...Mussolini's fascism is totally different in comparison to the "fascist regimes" of the last 60 years...originally it comes from socialism...

mussolini hardly stayed with the idea of incorporating socialism into the fascist party though, did he? under mussolini italian fascism developed into a totalitarian, hypernationalist juggernaut.

Mussolini was socialist in his youth. He became fascist later. By the way, people like Chruchill liked him at the beginning. On the other hand, Castro was fascist. And now he runs the most dangerous communist country...

What happened to them ?

Leonardo Fiocco wrote: I voted "Fascist" but I mean the original italian idea of Fascism...Mussolini's fascism is totally different in comparison to the "fascist regimes" of the last 60 years...originally it comes from socialism...

So you'd subscribe "Il Manifesto della razza" (The Manifest of the race)?

Jean-Philippe Ravier wrote:

AgentWood wrote:

Leonardo Fiocco wrote: I voted "Fascist" but I mean the original italian idea of Fascism...Mussolini's fascism is totally different in comparison to the "fascist regimes" of the last 60 years...originally it comes from socialism...

mussolini hardly stayed with the idea of incorporating socialism into the fascist party though, did he? under mussolini italian fascism developed into a totalitarian, hypernationalist juggernaut.

Mussolini was socialist in his youth. He became fascist later. By the way, people like Chruchill liked him at the beginning. On the other hand, Castro was fascist. And now he runs the most dangerous communist country...

What happened to them ?

my theory is that politics is not a straight line where there is left on one side and right on the other. it is more like a circle: the far-left and the far-right have more in common than either would dare admit. as leonardo noted, in his accurate definition of fascism, fascism sprang from socialism and began to shred marxist ideals as it developed. this difference between nascent fascism and later fascism was addressed by several posters (including myself). i'm not sure if i agree that cuba is the most dangerous communist country (i would give that medal to north korea), but a dictator can be from either the left or the right. politics make strange bedfellows as it is mostly about serving one's own national interest (churchill and mussolini?).

AgentWood wrote: my theory is that politics is not a straight line where there is left on one side and right on the other. it is more like a circle: the far-left and the far-right have more in common than either would dare admit. as leonardo noted, in his accurate definition of fascism, fascism sprang from socialism and began to shred marxist ideals as it developed. this difference between nascent fascism and later fascism was addressed by several posters (including myself). i'm not sure if i agree that cuba is the most dangerous communist country (i would give that medal to north korea), but a dictator can be from either the left or the right. politics make strange bedfellows as it is mostly about serving one's own national interest (churchill and mussolini?).

I was kidding about Cuba and I expected someone to point out that is was North Korea indeed.

About Churchill and Mussolini... It was long before he was Prime. By the twenties, G-B and France considered with interest all politicians that could stop the spread of the Soviet revolution in Europe as the USA minded their own business - Wilson's wish to not get into foreign affairs after Versailles Treaty and Société des Nations if I remember well.

Jean-Philippe Ravier wrote:

I was kidding about Cuba and I expected someone to point out that is was North Korea indeed.

Are you still kidding ? What do we need to be worry about North Korea ?

Maybe I should read the entire tread again… I'm lost into translation…

karine wrote: Are you still kidding ? What do we need to be worry about North Korea ?

Maybe I should read the entire tread again… I'm lost into translation…

mon message précédent a foiré. Je fais faire plus court.

L'enjeu géostratégique et les conséquences d'un conflit avec la Corée du Nord sont bien plus importants qu'avec Cuba.

L'un est un état stalinien nucléarisé et l'autre fait figure d'une dictature communiste tropicale d'opérette où le tourisme est bienvenu.

Les uns sont en quasi état de guerre permanent, le doigt sur la gachette (tiens, ça m'en rappelle d'autres), à l'ombre de la puissante République Populaire de Chine - qui joue tout de même dans une autre division que les pays du Moyen-Orient, puisqu'elle a un siège permanent à l'ONU.

Les autres ont, si je peux me permettre, la malchance d'être une petite île isolée et un peu trop proche des côtes des Etats-Unis.

Jean-Philippe Ravier wrote:

AgentWood wrote: my theory is that politics is not a straight line where there is left on one side and right on the other. it is more like a circle: the far-left and the far-right have more in common than either would dare admit. as leonardo noted, in his accurate definition of fascism, fascism sprang from socialism and began to shred marxist ideals as it developed. this difference between nascent fascism and later fascism was addressed by several posters (including myself). i'm not sure if i agree that cuba is the most dangerous communist country (i would give that medal to north korea), but a dictator can be from either the left or the right. politics make strange bedfellows as it is mostly about serving one's own national interest (churchill and mussolini?).

I was kidding about Cuba and I expected someone to point out that is was North Korea indeed.

About Churchill and Mussolini... It was long before he was Prime. By the twenties, G-B and France considered with interest all politicians that could stop the spread of the Soviet revolution in Europe as the USA minded their own business - Wilson's wish to not get into foreign affairs after Versailles Treaty and Société des Nations if I remember well.

wilson wanted to enter the league of nations, but congress turned it down. you're right--america was extremely isolationist in the 1920s; although our first 'red scare' was during that time, pre-dating mccarthyism by 30 years.

AgentWood wrote: wilson wanted to enter the league of nations, but congress turned it down. you're right--america was extremely isolationist in the 1920s; although our first 'red scare' was during that time, pre-dating mccarthyism by 30 years.

Sorry. I forgot this fact. Wilson did.

For many years I used to be a member of the Australian Labour Party. My allegiances still lie there. I still help out at elections.

I'm anything, but I'm not a Merkel-supporter... (talking about actual german politics)

Bere wrote: I'm anything, but I'm not a Merkel-supporter... (talking about actual german politics)

Does anyboydy in Gemany make this rhyme? Whenever I hear Merkel I can not help myself and say Ferkel.

I am more liberal than not. At this point I have no faith in my government to look out for everyone and protect my interests.

Well i ain't a BUSHIEST

I vote Lesbian

Ronald Kirsch wrote:

Bere wrote: I'm anything, but I'm not a Merkel-supporter... (talking about actual german politics)

Does anyboydy in Gemany make this rhyme? Whenever I hear Merkel I can not help myself and say Ferkel.

Didn't hear that before, but I'll try to spread it...

Bere wrote:

Ronald Kirsch wrote:

Bere wrote: I'm anything, but I'm not a Merkel-supporter... (talking about actual german politics)

Does anyboydy in Gemany make this rhyme? Whenever I hear Merkel I can not help myself and say Ferkel.

Didn't hear that before, but I'll try to spread it...

For the non-German speakers amongst you. Ferkel means piglet.