Adebayor...

...he's a naughty little fucker, but I can't have been the only one amused at his pitch-length sprint to implore the Arsenal support to feed him with half-eaten sarnies!

I read today that one of the stewards was knocked unconscious in the surge to lob cheese and pickle sandwiches in a raucous manner at Mr Adebayor. Apparently it's all the latter's fault as he 'provoked' them. Does this mean (as I have long suspected) that Arsenal fans are actually sub-human neanderthals and thus legally and morally exempt from accepting individual responsibility for their actions? Or is compulsive sandwich-chucking a standard middle-class pastime in leafy North London???

Yours,

Confused of Stoke

His dad washes elephants, and his mothers a whore.

Clayhead Liberation Faction wrote:

Does this mean (as I have long suspected) that Arsenal fans are actually sub-human neanderthals and thus legally and morally exempt from accepting individual responsibility for their actions? Or is compulsive sandwich-chucking a standard middle-class pastime in leafy North London???

Over to you Bonz

Ger Boy wrote: His dad washes elephants, and his mothers a whore.

...which is pretty close to what the urbane sophisticates amongst the Arsenal support were chanting at him on Saturday, as I understand it.

Unlike the sarnies, it's all deeply unsavoury.

he was getting grief all match, so a little reciprocation was inevitable. those gooner top boys really know how to throw a plastic chair though. scary . on a lighter note, we've all fantasised about stamping on van persie's head, no? he's been reported for his goal celebration by a morally upright member of the south stand.

Clayhead Liberation Faction wrote: ...he's a naughty little fucker, but I can't have been the only one amused at his pitch-length sprint to implore the Arsenal support to feed him with half-eaten sarnies!

I read today that one of the stewards was knocked unconscious in the surge to lob cheese and pickle sandwiches in a raucous manner at Mr Adebayor. Apparently it's all the latter's fault as he 'provoked' them. Does this mean (as I have long suspected) that Arsenal fans are actually sub-human neanderthals and thus legally and morally exempt from accepting individual responsibility for their actions? Or is compulsive sandwich-chucking a standard middle-class pastime in leafy North London???

Yours,

Confused of Stoke

I always liked Adebayor. In 25 years of watching Arsenal, I can't remember one player in an Arsenal shirt that got as much stick as he did. Shameful. I expect the boots of Mr Henry, the slick talking, good looking, smooth playing, athletic french man was always going to be difficult for a dangly, less smooth, African who struggled with the English language. There was without doubt some prejudice there - whether Arsenal fans realised or not.

He took a hefty amount of abuse from rival fans as well which was quite horrifying, ironically he is now their hero and his Dad no longer washes elephants and his mother is no longer a whore. No one liked him, even outside Arsenal, other fans could not accept him and discredited him as a talented player. That is a fact. I thought he was brilliant, and I'm sad that he left Arsenal, and think it makes a big difference to our season and our squad and I also like the irony of the fact Arsenal fans hated him and wanted him out - and now moan and complain of his 'betrayl' and that he left for 'cash'. Fickle old world is football.

As much as I admire your dislike of Arsenal fans, I don't belive Saturday was an exception. At any club, any player, any fans in that same situation would have resulted in the exact same situation as we witnessed (maybe not the sandwhich throwing but you know where we're going with this)during the game. I'm in no way justifying it at all, hell, who can blame Ade for doing what he done after the stick he got? I'd have done the exact same thing if I scored a goal against my old club, and given all the controversy. But in football, you know you're going to get a heated recation in those kind of circusmstances - Ade knew that, or he'd have got closer! Look at Rooney returning and scoring against Everton and celebrating in front of the Everton fans, french kissing his United badge, or Tottenham Hotspur and their effigy of Sol after he left, hanging outside the Lane - 8 years on, and they're still throwing abuse at him in a Portsmouth shirt. It's hardly an isolated 'Arsenal' incident throughout football. Just ask Millwall and West Ham.

And for the record, i'm born and raised, working class, from Kentish Town, not too leafy there - and I hate bread!

She bites, she bites!! From the footage I saw at the weekend it seems quite a few of the Arse fanbase also dislike bread, Bonz!! Wot, no panini???!!?

Of course, you're right - if it had been a similar situation involving Stoke fans and a high-profile former player things would have turned out the same in terms of reaction from (what we once used to call) the terraces. My point is less about Arsenal fans (usually such a placid bunch, no?!) and more about the logic here. Adebayor certainly deserves serious a boot up the arse for violent conduct and a firm slap on the wrist for his "incendiary" goal celebration, but that hardly excuses the Arsenal fans for turning into a bunch of demented violent baboons, does it?? There was provocation, sure, but that's context - not an excuse.

Again, if it was Stoke the situation would have been as hostile, if not worse. However, I would speculate that if it had been Stoke - what with our long-term reputation for 'football-related disorder' and all - the authorities would be handing out banning orders for individual fans left, right and centre rather than simply saying "it was all the player's fault - he incited them".

Go figure.

The Premiership is a better place without Joey Barton. I hope Adebeyol learns his lesson quick and lets his feet do the talking (hang on.....thats wot landed him in hot water in the first place!).

Theres no doubt he's a talented footballer but alas footballers arent the brightest of things (Bentley, Bent being recent examples of schoolboy errors).

Clayhead Liberation Faction wrote: She bites, she bites!! From the footage I saw at the weekend it seems quite a few of the Arse fanbase also dislike bread, Bonz!! Wot, no panini???!!?

Of course, you're right - if it had been a similar situation involving Stoke fans and a high-profile former player things would have turned out the same in terms of reaction from (what we once used to call) the terraces. My point is less about Arsenal fans (usually such a placid bunch, no?!) and more about the logic here. Adebayor certainly deserves serious a boot up the arse for violent conduct and a firm slap on the wrist for his "incendiary" goal celebration, but that hardly excuses the Arsenal fans for turning into a bunch of demented violent baboons, does it?? There was provocation, sure, but that's context - not an excuse.

Again, if it was Stoke the situation would have been as hostile, if not worse. However, I would speculate that if it had been Stoke - what with our long-term reputation for 'football-related disorder' and all - the authorities would be handing out banning orders for individual fans left, right and centre rather than simply saying "it was all the player's fault - he incited them".

Go figure.

When I say i hate bread, I mean I hate it!

I know what you're saying, I see where you're coming from. I'm not saying that banning orders should not be given, where necersarry and fans can't be held responsible for their behaviour, but really how bad was it? - i wasn't there, but I saw it on MOTD and can imagine how I would have felt watching him run up to me while my team were losing. I would not have thrown anything, but i'd be lying if I said there have not been moments in football in my 25 years that have not enraged me and a few choice words not fallen from my mouth.

If he had not run up there, would it still have happened? Probably not. You've forced me to try and find footage on youtube but i can't find any decent footage of the Arsenal fans except this;

And although there's no excusing any violence, to me, and i've seen a fair few nasty moments in football - i'd say, minus the throwing of objects, that it's a minority rattled few pushing forward and ranting their rage - I mean, in comaprison to say..............

One organised, one not. Violence, racial abuse all unacceptable and deserve a banning, and we all take responsibility for our individual actions - but we also know, human behaviour is not rational, especially when it comes to footy. To me, the Arsenal thing was more a an angry rage in a football moment rather than an attempt to incite real violence at a football game. I'm not saying though, that certain individuals may not desreve a banning order for events that happened.

Come on, even you've got to say by placid Arsenal's standards, it's hardly rock and roll of football violence, is it?

Agreed - no great shakes really. And the Arsenal fans threw slices of Mother's Pride at him (rather than, say, coins) which - frankly - is bordering on camp!!

However, a steward was concussed in the fracas (not knocked unconscious as was being reported yesterday), and that counts as assault everywhere else.

It is indeed a storm in a teacup really, but I'm just surprised that the player is being blamed for everything and the fans depicted as, ultimately, guiltless. His celebrations were considerably less provocative than the Notts Forest player and his flag-waving in front of the Derby contingent in the East Midlands derby game a few weeks back, for example - a fixture with much more history, rivalry and "passion" at stake than Man City-Arsenal I would have said......

shouldn't he get done for assault, footy players get away with murder these days (and rape)

Going to be hit with two FA charges

Clayhead Liberation Faction wrote: Agreed - no great shakes really. And the Arsenal fans threw slices of Mother's Pride at him (rather than, say, coins) which - frankly - is bordering on camp!!

However, a steward was concussed in the fracas (not knocked unconscious as was being reported yesterday), and that counts as assault everywhere else.

It is indeed a storm in a teacup really, but I'm just surprised that the player is being blamed for everything and the fans depicted as, ultimately, guiltless. His celebrations were considerably less provocative than the Notts Forest player and his flag-waving in front of the Derby contingent in the East Midlands derby game a few weeks back, for example - a fixture with much more history, rivalry and "passion" at stake than Man City-Arsenal I would have said......

Think Sam's link below answers your questions, so all involved are likely to be held accountable.

[orange]State of Love and Trust [/orange] wrote:

To be fair - they look like they're doing more damage to each other than anyone else. A lot of jumping around and screaming obsceneties.

As Sam has pointed out to us, Adebayor, and any fans causing trouble and violence will be banned etc, etc, etc........

Viking Number 7 wrote:

[orange]State of Love and Trust [/orange] wrote:

D-I-S-C-O

'OOLIGANS!! Tut. (My favourite is the big lad in the middle of the shot wearing a yellow top. He certainly got out of bed on the wrong side. He also looks like he really needs a poo. )

Clayhead Liberation Faction wrote:

Of course, you're right - if it had been a similar situation involving Stoke fans and a high-profile former player things would have turned out the same in terms of reaction from (what we once used to call) the terraces.

I could'nt see them chucking good food at Sir Stanley Matthews whatever the cicumstances..No siree,the country was still on rations!

Who else was there? Oh yeah,Graham Kavanagh!I bet he'd fucking get it he pulled that shit!

Bonzette wrote:

[orange]State of Love and Trust [/orange] wrote:

To be fair - they look like they're doing more damage to each other than anyone else. A lot of jumping around and screaming obsceneties.

And of course that makes it perfectly acceptable.

The Teacher wrote:

Bonzette wrote:

[orange]State of Love and Trust [/orange] wrote:

To be fair - they look like they're doing more damage to each other than anyone else. A lot of jumping around and screaming obsceneties.

And of course that makes it perfectly acceptable.

Oh look.....my number 1 stalker.

Do you really think so Liam? Only most of us agree that those repsonsible should be held accountable for their actions.

Never knew Arsenal fans could make so much noise