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cool! this will come in handy!

btw, check out my new baby! :love2:

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:love2:

The closest I can come to a new Mac these days is to finally slap my Final Cut Express keyboard shortcut stickers on my keyboard...some night when I'm sober. I didn't know FCE could import Photoshop layers. :D

P.S. Do you ever boot into single-user mode? (A personal question, I know.) Trippy.

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Mike, buddy. you know i love you. but you also know i hate you for that machine! :mad:

why? WHY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

:CRY: :CRY: :CRY: :CRY: :CRY: :CRY: :CRY: :CRY: :CRY: :CRY: :CRY: :CRY: :CRY: :CRY:

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Originally posted by Gnu Odor :love2:The closest I can come to a new Mac these days is to finally slap my Final Cut Express keyboard shortcut stickers on my keyboard...some night when I'm sober. I didn't know FCE could import Photoshop layers. :DP.S. Do you ever boot into single-user mode? (A personal question, I know.) Trippy.

Single user mode? what is that? what are the advantages of doing that?

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Originally posted by almanso Mike, buddy. you know i love you. but you also know i hate you for that machine! :mad:why? WHY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?:CRY: :CRY: :CRY: :CRY: :CRY: :CRY: :CRY: :CRY: :CRY: :CRY: :CRY: :CRY: :CRY: :CRY:

Sorry Man! I just have to have my toys!

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Alejo, it's tax deductable since it's for his company :lol:

Don't worry.

Anyways, love live to my Dell PC :evil4:

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Originally posted by WenOrder > Originally posted by almanso Mike, buddy. you know i love you. but you also know i hate you for that machine! :mad:why? WHY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?:CRY: :CRY: :CRY: :CRY: :CRY: :CRY: :CRY: :CRY: :CRY: :CRY: :CRY: :CRY: :CRY: :CRY:

Sorry Man! I just have to have my toys! :wink:

but i want one! may i? may i? may i? may i? may i? MAY I?!?!?!?!?!? :jump:

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Single-boot mode takes your right into the command line so you can feel like a UNIX geek.

  1. Reboot your Mac while holding down Command-S.
  2. Your screen will fill up with text, shades of DOS or the old Apple II.
  3. Type /sbin/fsck -y and press Enter. It's like running Disk Utility but better, 'cause you don't have to boot from a CD to repair your startup drive.
  4. At the prompt, type reboot and hit Enter, and you're back in Aqua land.

BTW, how f*****in' cool is this? Cleveland finally gets an Apple Store today, and if you click one link on the Web page, iCal fills up with the store's calendar of events, like Final Cut workshops, automatically. Sweet.

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I'm going to the apple store tonight for the Os 10.3 panther release. That how big of a mac geek I am :).

I never really played around witht he Unix capabilities of the OS. I may give it a try. In fact, i'll do it now.

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Macs are over-priced frou-frou computer systems; they have a great look, but they lack the power of PC's. The only two Mac products I love are my ipod and the Windows version of iTunes.

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:sleep:

Thanks for that insight...I'd never heard that before. Now I wish I'd never bought any of my Macs...

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That's not really true these days. You find a pc now that is comparable to the power of the new g5. You'll find the PC is more expensive.

Anyways, the whole mac vs. pc debate is old. You like PCs, fine. We're mac fanatic here and discussing what we like in this thread.

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Originally posted by World in Commotion Macs are over-priced frou-frou computer systems; they have a great look, but they lack the power of PC's. The only two Mac products I love are my ipod and the Windows version of iTunes.

where can you get the windows version of iTunes?

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Well, Macs are stable.. and if it weren't for Microsoft, PC would run IBM's OS/2 and be as stable as Macs...!! ;)

Anyways, use what you want.. I'd love to have a Spark station here, or an SGI... but I have my little P4... ;)

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Originally posted by World in Commotion Macs are over-priced frou-frou computer systems; they have a great look, but they lack the power of PC's. The only two Mac products I love are my ipod and the Windows version of iTunes.

the only people who hate mac's or dis them are people who don't have one. Jealousy leads to many unkind remarks. i love my mac and will never switch back to a PC. to me, PC stands for P(iece o) C(rap).

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Originally posted by Biznotic Love Trapezoid > Originally posted by World in Commotion Macs are over-priced frou-frou computer systems; they have a great look, but they lack the power of PC's. The only two Mac products I love are my ipod and the Windows version of iTunes.

the only people who hate mac's or dis them are people who don't have one. Jealousy leads to many unkind remarks. i love my mac and will never switch back to a PC. to me, PC stands for P(iece o) C(rap). Actually I had a choice of whether getting a Mac or a Toshiba, and I chose my Toshiba laptop; I had $1200 to spend and the Toshiba laptop was better than any Mac laptop I could buy at that price

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Apparently, Razormaid use Macs.. (that explains a lot :lol:)...

Here is the message I got from Joseph Watts:


Do NOT purchase or install MAC OS X 10.3 (Panther) until you have read this:

I know that many of you are probably on your way to the store to purchase Apple's new operating system, and that's fine, but I need to give you a few tips to avoid some problems that have been reported during the installation process, that could affect you. We're talking the difference between simply installing it and everything goes great, to the other end of the spectrum - having the worst day of your life, ever!

First off, before you even purchase it, be forewarned: your MAC must have USB "built in". That means if your machine is older and you had to purchase a USB card and install it, you can NOT, I repeat, NOT install Panther. This is a requirement that is NOT negotiable, period.

Secondly, you must disconnect ALL devices, prior to running the installer. These third party devices, such as iPOP, a Firewire HD, printer, etc... will affect the installation process, so make sure the only thing connected is your cable modem, or dial up modem. You will be able to use these things AFTER the installation is complete.

Thirdly, do NOT perform a clean install. All the people on the Apple web site that are having problems, are having problems because they got cute and decided to "Clean Install", wiping our everything on the hard drive first. Now, in all fairness, normally this is what I always recommend, but NOT on Panther. Panther was designed to make the "switch" as seamlessly smooth as possible, meaning they figured most people would chose the button "upgrade", rather than wipe out their system and start from scratch. Because we did do beta testing on this OS, I knew in advance of the problems associated with this, so when I purchased Panther (retail), I knew NOT to do this.

The forth warning is as important as the three above, so PLEASE make sure you do this BEFORE starting the installation. You MUST turn off all programs set to "login" automatically. If you are not sure you have any, please do this. Go to your system preference. Click on "LOGIN" and turn off or better yet, remove all programs that are listed, even if they are NOT turned on at the moment. This is VERY important. Especially of you are running Quickeys 2. Under this program, once the installation is complete and the computer restarts itself, Quickeys will kick in, not allowing the installation to complete itself and the whole installation will crash and burn.
Quickeys has a fix for this on their site, but you MUST install it first, before attempting to install Panther!

Lastly, back up your important documents and files. This is a no brainer of course, but those of you new to the computer may not realize this must be done, in case all hell breaks loose. PC people do this routinely because Windows can be Windows. However, MAC people are not used to having to perform the "back up" this function, as things pretty much work flawlessly, 99% of the time. Don't risk it!

Right about now, I am sure some of you are thinking, "So why am I upgrading if all of this stuff could screw up my machine?". Because it's worth it if you do it right.

MAC OS X 10.3 (code name Panther) is truly the UNIX equivalent of MAC OS 9 - as far as stability, effectiveness and smoothness. This third generation operating system is what we all hoped running UNIX on a MAC would be like.... and then some - even though it did take three years to get here. At this time, I would like to point out a few things about Panther, that may assist in your decision to upgrade, or not upgrade, without all the "Negative Nancy" comments I have given so far.

If you are looking for a totally new "look" after installing Panther - you will be sorely disappointed. If you go to breakfast while installing and the computer restarts, you will not even know you are in PAnther, as on the surface, there are relatively few changes. However, once you start clicking around... the fun begins.

I think the most impressive change is the "Switch users" function.
Here's how this can work for you. Let's say you are burning an audio disc and your daughter rushes in and says, "I have to print my homework, now!". While burning, you can go to "Switch user", she can sign in and print her document, while your burning is still going on, as the other user. Totally hot!!

The second most impressive change is the networking function. We all know that networking on a MAC is as easy as opening software, but with this new version, you PC is now linked as easy as any other MAC on the system. With the new networking setup, you simply chose you PC from a pull down menu, and you can burn back up CD's, or mix and match your favorite MPEG's from you PC and from your MAC, without transferring anything from either. You simply pull the songs you want from the PC into your Toast playlist and click burn. What's even hotter, the user can sign out on the PC and your burn will not be affected. How hot is that? (Excuse me while I wipe the piss off the floor now).

And here's the really cool part... all the users will appear on a 3D cube, which you can rotate in space, to now only see their desktop, but also what their user is doing, such as printing, burning, or whatever.
Eye candy for diabetics!

Apple's new iCHAT, although hot as hell, does have a few draw backs.
So before you rush out and buy their new camera, which is only $149.00, you need to be aware of a few things. Yes, this camera will transmit and generate TV quality signals, which means no flicker of seeing what we have all come to refer to as "The Japanese over dub movie" that we are currently used to, but there is a catch. This new iCHAT will only work on machines running at 600mhz or faster. Also, the person on the other end must have the same camera, to enjoy "TV quality" transmission. Oh, everything will work if the other party does not have the same setup, but they will not be able to transmit and receive the TV quality signal. In fact, on the PC side, this will not be possible until summer of 2005, according to Bill Gates himself. This puts MAC a few years ahead in this technology and hopefully grab a few business accounts that would like this right now.

Off course there are other additions to this system which you can explore and enjoy on your own, but the purpose of this alert was more about the pre-installation setup to ensure a smooth transition rather than it's bonuses, which you will see in the new "What's new" booklet that comes with Panther.

Any of you that have questions, PLEASE, write to me before installing, if you are not sure. Although I have included the 4 major problems that could make this the worse day of your life, you may have a few questions that I did not cover, so feel free to ask away. Yale will be monitoring the Email for the next 48 hours. He can read to me the question and I can tell him what to type, as this alert will do me in for today, time wise.

Good luck guys and enjoy your new "kitty" (Panther). This one is much faster and prettier than the last one, that use to bite us, from time to time.

jw

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Originally posted by Spotnick Apparently, Razormaid use Macs.. (that explains a lot :lol:)...

What are you trying to say nic? mac users are crazy and paranoid?

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Originally posted by WenOrder > Originally posted by Spotnick> Apparently, Razormaid use Macs.. (that explains a lot :lol:)...

What are you trying to say nic? mac users are crazy and paranoid?

Well, I didn't say it, you did :wink:

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we´re not paranoid! it´s only you PC users trying to kill us! :nod:

what? who said that? :eek3:

who´s behind me? :nervous:

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Originally posted by almanso we´re not paranoid! it´s only you PC users trying to kill us! :nod:what? who said that? :eek3:who´s behind me? :nervous:

Mac users are paranoid after all :D, with my ipod I became paranoid; I was paranois that it would break at first, but I have had it for 11 months now and use it every day, and I take it with me everywhere. The device has only frozen three times, so it was a good buy, even if it costed my mom 350 dollars (teacher's discount :D)

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Of course Mac users are paranoid...any time we start talking about Macs, someone we don't even know jumps in out of nowhere to tell us how much they suck compared to PCs.

I work on Windows 2000 Professional at work and on Mac OS X at home, so I'm familiar with both. For what I do, here's why I don't want a Wintel machine, no matter what the price or processor speed:

  1. Font smoothing - I'm an editor by trade and read text on a computer screen, all day, every day. Font smoothing via Quartz on Mac is a beautiful thing; text looks like shit on my Windows laptop no matter what the font size or smoothing setting.
  2. QuickTime Pro - A system-level media layer that reads and writes anything: video, audio, 3D metafiles, QuickTime VR, MPEG-4. I can play MP3s and movies and fly around QTVR panoramas right from the Finder. And it's open, not proprietary--I can cut a TV spot on QuickTime Player Pro ($30) and save it transcoded for broadcast for the local TV station's Avid system. Not to mention that MP4 and Sorenson compression beat the living snot out of WMV and Real by a long shot.
  3. AppleScript - See my first post; I for one love having a system-level scripting language built in. "Hey, Mac; boot up at 6 a.m., fetch my mail, fire up a RealAudio stream and record it to disk for 45 minutes." "OK!"
  4. Speech - As heard on records by Radiohead and Aphex Twin. Built in.
  5. Quartz - Much like point No. 2, I can read and write PDFs right from the Finder. Nice.
  6. Aqua - This is open to personal aesthetics, of course, but I find the Mac GUI beautiful to look at and inspirational when working on design projects.
  7. This may be my fault, but I find I have to let Windows 2000 know when I've ejected one CD and popped in another, or it attempts to play CD2 with the track markers from CD1. I like the Mac's tracking of mounted volumes.
  8. CoreAudio and CoreMIDI - If you have to ask, you won't know.
  9. iMovie, iDVD, iPhoto, iCal, iChat, Stickies, Safari, Sherlock (all free); Logic Audio Platinum 6 and Final Cut (far from free but both essential and Mac-only).
  10. Text and photo clippings - I use this feature every single day, many times a day. Cool quote? Nifty photo? Bookmark? Drag it onto the desktop and deal with it later. I miss this big time in Windows.
  11. Oh yeah, I can not only mount HFS+ and Windows volumes, but I can format them too and burn cross-platform CDs without any third-party utilities.

P.S. It's nice that strangers are concerned with my finances, but as far as my Macs being overpriced, well, they've all paid for themselves many, many times over with audio, video and design work, leaving my happy with my own setup and unmotivated to trash others for their own decisions and preferences.

And now, back to our regularly scheduled discussion.

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Originally posted by World in Commotion Macs are over-priced frou-frou computer systems; they have a great look, but they lack the power of PC's. The only two Mac products I love are my ipod and the Windows version of iTunes.

You've obviously never used a Mac Performa.

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The missus surprised me with a copy of Panther for our anniversary (that's romance, baby), so I look forward to appending even more pleasant surprises to that unwieldly list above:

  1. Expose - Oh, baby. Cool.
  2. Pixlet - Further proof that QuickTime rules all.
  3. Labels - gone, sadly missed, and now back again on Mac! Hooray! Nonexistent on Windows 2000. :(
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I'm still waiting for my copy :( i ordered mine of Ebay!

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So it's not Mac you like, but Mac OS :D

What I really, but I mean REALLY dislike about Macs is the damned 1 button mouse..

But oh god do I love the look of the computers :D

The other thing I used to dislike and unfortunatly it's getting more and more this way in Windows.. it's getting so user friendly that with each upgrade you lose power, and you have to find where the hell you can customize something you're used to do before in an earlier version..

Gee, they tried to simplify networking in Windows XP by changing the whole way to configure it, but for power users, it's very PAINFUL to use the damn wizard to do what you're used to do with a few clicks.

But still, problem with Macs are compatibility, I don't even know someone (not over the net) owning one... and the only reason why they still exists is because Microsoft is paying to keep them as "competition" to don't have anti-trust all over them.

Now, I'd prefer to see Mac heads trying to work a new OS for PCs rather than sticking with Macs ;)

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Steve Jobs will be buried clutching a one-button mouse, likely under a granite tombstone carved in the shape of a giant one-button mouse.

Two buttons and a scroll wheel for me, thanks.

By the way, when is birthday boy Morris going to chime in on this thread?

:drummer: + :computer: = :stephen:

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Originally posted by Spotnick Now, I'd prefer to see Mac heads trying to work a new OS for PCs rather than sticking with Macs ;)

:scratch: what would be the point of that? The OS may be a big part of what we love about Macs, but the hardware is just as important to us! Apple has been setting hardware trends ever since the company started, inside and outside the computer!

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But I have to agree with the mouse thing, I hate them also. I had to by a two button also.

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Originally posted by WenOrder But I have to agree with the mouse thing, I hate them also. I had to by a two button also.

I use all the 5 buttons of my wireless intellimouse explorer ;)

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Originally posted by WenOrder > Originally posted by Spotnick> Now, I'd prefer to see Mac heads trying to work a new OS for PCs rather than sticking with Macs ;)

:scratch: what would be the point of that? The OS may be a big part of what we love about Macs, but the hardware is just as important to us! Apple has been setting hardware trends ever since the company started, inside and outside the computer!

You mean Motorola right? I don't think Apple has much to do with the hardware itself, Motorola does the chips and then Mac does the rest, but still.. it could be Intel, it wouldn't change much..

I can't state much, I studied the Motorola 68k at the university, but I don't know much about the rest of the Mac, altough the SCSI bus was faster, but now the IDE is getting closer.

Anyways, as long as everyone is happy with his toys, that's all that counts :D

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