"Matrix Revolutions" out today — Forum Archive

5 Nov 2003, 09:42

Does anyone here give a shit? :nonono:

I watched a little of the first one on TBS this weekend, I have to say I stand by my original critique: Once you know that "the Matrix" is a giant computer-Orwellian-future-thing, there's really no point to any sequels. The whole "Matrix" thing is threatening to become another "Star Wars"-like cult thing, but I'm not buying into it. If I can't give a shit about the characters in the first film, how could I care about what happens to them in the last one? :shrug:

Any "Matrix"-lovers wanna challenge me on this? :skeptic:

5 Nov 2003, 10:14

well I really really liked the first movie, it's one of my all time favourite scfi movies, great concept, great story, incredible effects. BUT reloaded was just absolutely terrible and boring to say the least, I'm going to see revolutions just out of sheer curiousity hoping that it will redeem the horror of reloaded. :nonono:

5 Nov 2003, 10:23

I may go see it just because I saw the first and second movies, but the commercials for the third one make it look rather awful. Reloaded was a good movie, except for the dance and sex scenes, and the boring 15 minutes before the soap opera ending of the movie. It will only cost me 6.50 to go see the flick, so I will go see it.

5 Nov 2003, 12:19

Haven't seen the third one yet, but Reloaded lost me when the refugees from the Lollapalooza second stage broke into the lambada while the understudies of the second touring company of "A Tribute to Stomp" took the stage. Man, did that suck. If this is the last human city, what's the point of survival? And why are the machines drilling through solid rock to get there when humans can fly in and out? Try the tunnel next time, it's quicker.

It's scary how much this third one apparently seals the notion that The Matrix trilogy is really just an update of Tron. Seriously, folks: why is it that in Reloaded, every single frigging person you meet in the Matrix is in on the joke? The Oracle and her bodyguard, the Twins, Agent Smith, the Keymaker, annoying French-accent dude...I'm a program, he's a program, she's a program...wouldn't you like to be a program too?

And why is Trinity so traumatized by a bullet when apparently plunging dozens of stories toward the concrete is no big thing? Does she not want to bleed on the giant mattress waiting to catch her?

That said, I give the costume designer two thumbs up and look forward to copycat designs making the rounds at school shootings everywhere next season.

5 Nov 2003, 13:08

Well, that's the problem with sequels, you lose the effect of surprise.. I was amazed when I discovered what the matrix was in the first one...

However, I want to see Revolutions because Reloaded needed that badly, the way it ended, you HAVE to see it.

I wonder if it's worth going to the IMAX theatre... :D

5 Nov 2003, 18:18

Originally posted by Spotnick Well, that's the problem with sequels, you lose the effect of surprise.. I was amazed when I discovered what the matrix was in the first one...However, I want to see Revolutions because Reloaded needed that badly, the way it ended, you HAVE to see it.I wonder if it's worth going to the IMAX theatre... :D

I just saw Revelations on IMAX. Ignore the script and just consentrate on the fight scenes and it's alright.

5 Nov 2003, 21:57

the first one was quite good...haven't been arsed to do the second one yet...and not sure that I'll ever be bothered to do the third one either...I'm too busy looking at porn!

5 Nov 2003, 22:08

I'm probably alone on this one, but I loved Reloaded and can't wait for the last one - compare it to all the other crap out there

6 Nov 2003, 08:04

Originally posted by Androgynous kid with a camera that follows you > Originally posted by Spotnick> Well, that's the problem with sequels, you lose the effect of surprise.. I was amazed when I discovered what the matrix was in the first one...> > However, I want to see Revolutions because Reloaded needed that badly, the way it ended, you HAVE to see it.> > I wonder if it's worth going to the IMAX theatre... :D

I just saw Revelations on IMAX. Ignore the script and just consentrate on the fight scenes and it's alright.

saw revolutions on the imax & apart from the fight scenes which were great was left wondering at how bad everyones skin was in the close ups!!

6 Nov 2003, 08:05

in the 1st one the oracle said that either neo would die saving morpheus or vice versa - thats not happened yet, wonder if they'll remember that bit?

6 Nov 2003, 08:39

Originally posted by devastating dave in the 1st one the oracle said that either neo would die saving morpheus or vice versa - thats not happened yet, wonder if they'll remember that bit?

but the oracle also told neo that he wasn't 'the one' (which he is), so what she told him wasn't necessarily the truth but what he needed to know in order to fufill the prophecy. :scratch:

6 Nov 2003, 12:22

The first one was good but the second one was taking the piss!Still i must watch the third just in case it is going to actually tell us ANYTHING else.DOUBTS EVEN HERE. :rolleyes:

7 Nov 2003, 23:19

First one was great....Second one was so-so....the third one "Dont waste your money".....the best part was knowing that it is over!...worst part was knowing that I lost 2 and a half hours of my life that I will never get back, and I paid $7.00 do it.

8 Nov 2003, 09:44

Last night I wanted to see Revolutions, but when I got home it was too late to see the 7:15 showing at the AMC, but way too early to see the one at 10, so my friend and I had the dumb idea to waste 9 bucks to go watch Radio. All I have to say that the movie got so bad I was laughing; if I was not with a friend from my high school I surely would have walked out of the movie. another thing that irked me about last night was when the movie finished the only food place open was California Pizza Kitchen, so I wasted another 13 dollars on food.

8 Nov 2003, 11:54

The Matrix concept is stupid because the entire basis of the computer world is predicated on using human beings as batteries. Humans would not work as batteries, even if you recycled the dead for food. The first law of thermodynamics is the law of conservation of energy. What goes in must come out. The energy loss of maintaining the humans' vital functions would leave the machines with less and less power day by day, and eventually powerless.

And yes, I'm an engineer.

8 Nov 2003, 12:11

Originally posted by World in Commotion Last night I wanted to see Revolutions, but when I got home it was too late to see the 7:15 showing at the AMC, but way too early to see the one at 10, so my friend and I had the dumb idea to waste 9 bucks to go watch Radio. All I have to say that the movie got so bad I was laughing; if I was not with a friend from my high school I surely would have walked out of the movie. another thing that irked me about last night was when the movie finished the only food place open was California Pizza Kitchen, so I wasted another 13 dollars on food.

The "story" of Radio was pretty big around here, seeing as he's a local man (Anderson, a stone's throw and full of retail malls). The fact that the local news made such a big deal about it kept me away (that and the "why the hell is this a major motion picture?" feeling I got when I first saw the trailer months ago)

8 Nov 2003, 12:23

Originally posted by Taboo # 7 > Originally posted by World in Commotion Last night I wanted to see Revolutions, but when I got home it was too late to see the 7:15 showing at the AMC, but way too early to see the one at 10, so my friend and I had the dumb idea to waste 9 bucks to go watch Radio. All I have to say that the movie got so bad I was laughing; if I was not with a friend from my high school I surely would have walked out of the movie. another thing that irked me about last night was when the movie finished the only food place open was California Pizza Kitchen, so I wasted another 13 dollars on food.

The "story" of Radio was pretty big around here, seeing as he's a local man (Anderson, a stone's throw and full of retail malls). The fact that the local news made such a big deal about it kept me away (that and the "why the hell is this a major motion picture?" feeling I got when I first saw the trailer months ago) I liked the acting of every person, except for Cuba Gooding Junior, plus I was irked by the absence of Radio's brother in the movie. It could have been a great movie, but the plot was badly done in the movie, and I did not like how Cuba's character fit into the whole town dynamic

8 Nov 2003, 20:01

Is this the movie eveyone's been talking about?

8 Nov 2003, 20:34

Probably the best thing about the Matrix was the running gag it provided to an episode of the tragically short-lived "Clerks" animated TV show

Otherwise, meaningless piffle :thumbdown:

8 Nov 2003, 21:30

Originally posted by bLuE oRdEr Is this the movie eveyone's been talking about?

At least PETA has a sense of humor

9 Nov 2003, 03:25

No wonder I have a headache.

Seriously, I came out of the movie even more clueless that I was at the end of the 2nd one.

It's one of these movies.. you can simply assume the meaning, it will be ok, because otherwise, it will never be explained to you....

9 Nov 2003, 11:00

Originally posted by Spotnick No wonder I have a headache.Seriously, I came out of the movie even more clueless that I was at the end of the 2nd one.It's one of these movies.. you can simply assume the meaning, it will be ok, because otherwise, it will never be explained to you....

The fuzzy meaning of Revolutions allows for more sequels :D

9 Nov 2003, 19:51

just saw revolutions, I thought it was great entertainment! Incredible special effects, the final battle scene was amazing... now I'm waiting for Return Of The King... :nod:

9 Nov 2003, 21:51

It was slightly better than Reloaded, due to the massive fight at the end, the hovercraft(?) chase through the tunnels (a bit "Star Wars"-ish though), and a nice nod to the lobby shootout in the first (and far superior) film.

What I expected from the sequals was a continuation of the first (i.e., cool cinematography, Neo and crew "freeing" more people from the Matrix). Nobody gives two shits about Zion, and almost every utility character and speech were a joke.

Oh well, like another poster said, I'm looking forward to the 3 1/2 hour Return of the King.

11 Nov 2003, 01:06

Originally posted by distant sun just saw revolutions, I thought it was great entertainment! Incredible special effects, the final battle scene was amazing... now I'm waiting for Return Of The King...

i agree, revolutions is the popcorn flick of the bunch. they toned down the "intellect" to shoe in all the action. and i can't wait for rotk too. i expect the battle of the pelenor (sp?) fields to be better than the invasion of zion.

oh, and what other anime do you like besides mac plus (which happens to be one of my favorites)?

11 Nov 2003, 12:56

From the points agents are no longer a problem and that you know what the matrix is, the whole rest is just a normal sci-fi movie.

In revolution, they are almost NEVER in the matrix.. plus, you have no clue what's going on anyways.. the way it ends, it is said to be a trilogy, so you should at least understand what's going on at the end, no?

And I'm not stupid, so either I'm trying to find a meaning where there is none, or they take us for geniuses.. or too much David Lynch influence there!!

Anyways, the movie are superb, but the story is way much too complicated and unexplained, I'll have to wait for the DVD with comments from the authors!

11 Nov 2003, 13:35

Does that make sense? (stole from IMDB users' reviews)

Overall the battle was between the Oracle and the Architect. They were the ones who manipulated everyone. The Oracle knew she could not defeat the Architect and the machines, nor would she want too - being a program herself she also wanted to survive. The only way to battle the machines and architect was to create another program who she could guide in defeat, thus Neo. Both of her goals were accomplished in that the humans who wished to be pulled from the Matrix would be and she could go on living in the Matrix. Even though it took six versions of Neo to accomplish her goal she eventually did it. The Architect promises the Oracle all humans wishing to be extracted from the Matrix will be. Remember his comment at the end of the film 'What do you think I am? Human?' The Oracle also knows that Smith will become Neo's negative force or opposing force, which as she planned from the beginning would be the way to compromise the machines and their power. As the Architect also says at the end of revolutions - 'You've played a dangerous game' It's the Oracle's risk of Neo ultimately defeating Smith to save the humans who wish to be saved. If that risk fails, everything is destroyed. Ironically enough (or not????) it's Smith's version of the Oracle who fights against Neo in the fantastic battle scene at the end of the movie. Smith had already infected the entire Matrix by the time Neo fights him. Creating a truce between machines and man was the only way for the two to live in peace and the Oracle was the only one who could see this. Even though the Architect can't understand the choice the machines were given, the machines had to make the choice of allowing Neo to fight Smith, otherwise the machines would have been destroyed by Smith as well.

11 Nov 2003, 14:43

Another one...

Zion is real! The Matrix is not.

The Matrix was designed to provide a mental stimulus for the human bodies connected to the machines as a source of power. This is the sixth version of the Matrix. There have been multiple versions of the Matrix because of a flaw in the program (kinda of like Windows). That flaw is giving individuals the ability to choose.

The first Matrix was designed as a perfect uptopia (see pt. I - Smith explains it to Morpheus; pt. II - The Architect explains it again) but humans did not accept it as real so they just kept waking up. It was redesigned to reflect our civilization at it's last stage before it was taken over by the machines (the year 1999).

The Architect's problem with this new design (the anomoly)of the Matrix is that it require individuals to think freely, i.e. choice. It was the Oracle that suggested he redesign the Matrix in this way. But since humans have choices, so must the programs sent to watch over them, i.e. The Agents, thus bringing us the problem that is Mr. Smith. In Reloaded, The Architect continues to speak of the anomoly he is unable to get rid of, which is why at some point, he feels the only solution is to destroy the Matrix and those who are aware of it (the people of Zion) and start from scratch again.

The Oracle says it clearly in Revolutions. Mr. Smith is the result of the anomoly trying to balance itself. Mr. Smith began to think freely (see part I where he is freaking out while interrogating Morpheous) and the result was a negative one. Realize this, he is a similar program to the One so he is far more dangerous than a normal individual who makes bad decisions. Mr. Smith's virus like behavior happened in EVERY VERSION OF THE MATRIX. The result would always lead to the same thing -- a system crash if they didn't quickly reboot the system. The same knee jerk reaction you have when you realize someone has sent you a virus.

The One program was created to solve this problem. But each version of the One ultimately failed. Neo is different, in Reloaded he choose the door that led to Trinity, not the door that RESETS the program. Note: The Architect even noticed that Neo's experience in the Matrix was different than all the rest, realizing he was the first of them to fall in love.

Onto Revolutions:

Neo's choice has changed everything. The system is still threatened by Smith's behavior, so the Oracle makes a new choice; one she has never done before because no version of the One has ever chosen the difficult path as opposed to easy one of just resetting the system. She allows herself to become merged with Smith in the HOPE that she'll be able to help Neo when the time is right.

Neo makes another unique choice. He goes to the machines and asks for PEACE as opposed to simply destroying the system by going through the opposite door as all other versions of the One did. It was a simple as that to save Zion. Machines don't need very long to process that this may be a better idea than just constantly resetting the system.

At the end, Smith says to Neo the movies tagline - "Everything that has a beginning has an end," as the Oracle is speaking to Neo through Smith. Neo realizes it all along, the only way to end this is to sacrifice himself. The Oracle noted that Neo and the Source (the computer mainframe, the Architect they're all one and the same so don't get confused) are connected which is why he can control machines outside the Matrix. He uses this connection to his advantage. He becomes a Mr. Smith and since all the Smith's are connected, the Source now has a lock on Smith and simply deletes him. Pretty simple huh?

For those that like to dig deeper, than note the biblical references throughout the series. Heck, the French Man (Merovigchian) is the Devil, just read the elevator button Morpheous presses when he goes to see him for the second time. The Architect represents God - i.e. the creator of the world and its destroyer whenever things don't go as he wants. He even has you to chose a select group of people to restart Zion again sort of like Noah's Ark. Neo is Jesus, the one who realizes that peace and love is the answer, not war. And the Oracle represents the Holy Spirit - the consciousness that resides in all of us. It's a deep trilogy if you PAY ATTENTION.