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This is from Radio Netherlands:

Russia's refusal to set any date for ratifying the Kyoto protocol on greenhouse gas reductions any time soon has put the whole treaty in doubt. Producing 17 percent of global carbon dioxide emissions, Moscow's signature is seen as crucial to the Kyoto protocol entering into force. Russian environmentalists are accusing their government of playing political games.

Those who thought that Vladimir Putin would use the international climate conference in Moscow as a platform to announce the long and eagerly awaited ratification of the Kyoto protocol must have been sorely disappointed. During his opening speech at the conference, President Putin didn't even give any indication of when parliament would discuss ratification. Russia, he said, would take a decision only on the basis of its national interests.

Shortly afterwards the president once again took the floor. He said that even among experts opinions differ on the seriousness of climate change. "Some say,' he jokingly remarked, "that an increase of two or three degrees wouldn't be so bad for a northern country like Russia. We could spend less on fur coats, and the grain harvest would go up.'

Ratification not imminent With this witticism, the Kremlin leader sent a clear message to the conference and to the rest of the world, says one of Russia's most prominent environmentalists, Aleksei Yablokov. Russia, he adds, is playing a political game with the Kyoto protocol, and ratification is therefore not very likely in the near future.

"I doubt, more than doubt, I am sure that in the immediate future, Russia will continue to play games with the Kyoto protocol. Russia tried to use the process of ratification of the Kyoto protocol for political profit. It's all been a political and economic game between the US and Russia, between the EU and Russia, and between China and Russia. And I doubt whether this game will end in the near future.'

Unclear objective Still, what goal Russia is pursuing by playing this game remains unclear. Only a year ago, at the Earth Summit in Johannesburg, Prime Minister Mikhail Kasyanov promised before a delighted audience that Russia would ‘soon' ratify the Kyoto protocol. Environmentalists like Aleksei Yablokov say Europe is in part to blame for Russia's apparent policy change, because European countries do not cease to emphasise that ratification by Russia is crucial for the Kyoto agreement to succeed.

The treaty will only take force after states accounting for 55 percent of emissions, mainly carbon dioxide, have ratified the pact. The Kremlin feels that the world needs Russia, that it has a trump card, which it may use to reap political or other benefits. Aleksei Yablokov cannot think of any other reason not to ratify the Kyoto protocol right now.

"There is no economic reason, because most analyses show that signing up will be slightly profitable for Russia. Not highly profitable, but we can earn say one billion dollars, maybe two billion dollars a year, if we trade off CO2 quota.'

Trading in emission rights Under the Kyoto agreement, countries must cut back their CO2 emissions to pre-1990 levels within ten years. But as a result of the economic crisis of the 1990s, Russian emissions are already significantly lower than that. As a result, Russia will have a surplus of CO2 rights, which it can sell to other countries whose emissions are higher than allowed. But of course, only after ratification.

According to Aleksei Yablokov, that may only be achieved if European countries stop begging Russia to ratify here and now. For Russia, he says, the main question should not be what it may gain from ratification, but what President Putin stands to lose in the world if Russia refrains from doing so.

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Even though I loath Bush and his foreign policies, I'm not that bothered by the Kyoto treaty issue. I can't make my mind up about global warming (the book 'satanic gases' makes a good case for the skeptics) and even those who accept the theory acknowledge that the Kyoto treaty would only make a small dent in the problem anyway (something like slowing the process down by 10 years over the next 100), so is it worth all the effort? Maybe better spend all the resources it would take to prevent global warming on dealing with its concequences instead?

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Is Bush holding up the Kyoto Protocol...to a candle?

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Anything that would help stopping polution and global warming IS a good thing.

Hence why Canada signed the damned thing.

But I can understand Russia, they are bankrupted, and they can't afford to sign it without putting their own country into more mysery...

However, I have yet to wait for the US solution on that problem.. after all, the St-Lawrence river here is polluted by the US and we suffer from it, as is our air.. acid rain and stuff.. I'm not saying we're any better, but it's time something happens..

How gives a shit about economy when it's for a collective enhancement as a planet? Ban gaz powered vehicules by 2010, you'll see that things will move... but nobody is willing to take a move like that!

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Originally posted by Spotnick Anything that would help stopping polution and global warming IS a good thing.Hence why Canada signed the damned thing.But I can understand Russia, they are bankrupted, and they can't afford to sign it without putting their own country into more mysery...However, I have yet to wait for the US solution on that problem.. after all, the St-Lawrence river here is polluted by the US and we suffer from it, as is our air.. acid rain and stuff.. I'm not saying we're any better, but it's time something happens.. How gives a shit about economy when it's for a collective enhancement as a planet? Ban gaz powered vehicules by 2010, you'll see that things will move... but nobody is willing to take a move like that!

I would love to see hydrogen powered vehicles. The consumer would get vehilces that they were used to and still find appealing and the environment would get a big break.

Hybrids may still be the way to go. They'll have to be bigger and better than the Toyota Prius (and it's not bad) to sway public opinion. GM will be making full-size hybrid SUV's in the next couple of years. That will be a good test of consumer approval.

The bottom line is, whatever the solution turns out to be, the "new fueled" cars and trucks will have to have the power and range of current gasoline/diesel powered vehicles. Otherwise, they won't be made or sold.

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First of all, Russia does not give a shit about its environment. Secondly, Russia would really, really benefit from global warming and they know it. Third, hydrogen fuel cell cars are great but please dear god do not put them in little crappy looking futurechiklike cars. There should be an option to bring in your old car for an engine swap.

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Michael, Twist- I agree re: cars. Always wanted to take an otherwise excellent Triumph Spitfire with a bad engine, and convert to electric (cheap acquisition cost, great looks, ridiculously underpowered engine). Maybe I'll change that item on the wish list to a hydrogen powered conversion?

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For Spain the implamentation of the Kyoto agreement would be a disaster and I am not using that word loosely. When Kyoto was first proposed we were still enjoying the results of 13 years of socialist policies. The general assumption the socialist government had made was that growth was a thing of the past and we had reached a plateau of stagnation, hence Kyoto quotas.

Then, thank God for small mercies, the socialist government was thrown out of office and we have had 7 running years of growth. Kyoto quotas for Spain look ludicrous now. The implementation of Kyoto would mean that Spain would have to buy emission rights from....Germany, proud purveyors of acid rain. So Spain would end up subsidising Germany's economic mismanagement (we are doing it anyway thanks to the Stability Pact's shambles but that is another kettle of fish).

To sum it up Kyoto means "Hello, we are rich and industrialised, we have had the time to pollute the world for the last couple of centuries at our leisure but now the game is over. You cannot produce your way out of misery, sorry folks, nothing to see here, move over"

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The word out today is that Putin is waiting for the US elections before he signs or pisses on the KT. He'd hate to piss off Bush.

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Actually, the problem with the hydrogen car is that.. it takes a lot of power to do the hydrogen itself...

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true the production of hydrogen is costly now BUT...what about all these windmill? Use them to produce the hygrogen.

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