The United States of America

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USA will take some respect back if Bush be humilliated next elections.

It would be a lot more fun if we could humiliate him every day between now and the next election.

I thought he humiliates himself every time he opens his mouth?? In 2004 Bush will win, especially if he faces Dean, who will be a very weak candidate when it will come down to issues. Bush in 2004!

Wouldn't you rather lick Bush in 2004?

just bullies, they may have cruise missiles etc, but the middle east have far more, they are prepared to die.

Oh, God. Now they got Saddam. Bush is gonna be a hero. I'm seeing the journalists clapping. We're definivly lost...

What do I think of the US of A?

Has to be the most ambiguous question of all time.

What do you mean? The People? Politicians? Homer Simpson?

I love the USA and could not see myself moving back to live the UK and Kim and I are fortunate and delighted that we have the opportunity of bringing our young children up in the surroundings in which we do.

For me, The USA is the DOG'S DANGLEYS!

DM

As one who's constantly slagged off the current MisAdministration numerous times, I must say that I still love the USA. Not in a Lee Greenwood-masturbating way, but I love the USA because of all the freedoms we have(had). For the record, we're probably the most prosperous and longest-lasting democracy, we don't have any sort of royalty we have to bow down to or dictators who go around chopping off the heads of people they don't like, and shooting those that they do. All in all, we're pretty damn good.

That being said, we've got a lot to answer for: Indians (treating like shit) Blacks (slavery and calling "the n-word") Japanese (relocation camps) Irish (I'm sure we did something bad to them) Nixon (how the hell did he get elected) Reagan (ditto)

and so on...and our current climate of "Us or Them", while a great Pink Floyd song, does nothing to help foster the notion that we truly have "freedom of speech". And what's with all the "liberal = traitor" crap that's real big right now? Overall, the USA has it's flaws, but I wouldn't want to live anywhere else......well, Britain would be cool......or France, all those women who don't shave nonwithstanding.....Norway has some lovely lakes......

Anyway, my point is, I'm proud to be an American (but not "Proud to Be an American"), I admit we're screwed up sometimes, but I love it here

Originally posted by Taboo # 7 As one who's constantly slagged off the current MisAdministration numerous times, I must say that I still love the USA. Not in a Lee Greenwood-masturbating way, but I love the USA because of all the freedoms we have(had). For the record, we're probably the most prosperous and longest-lasting democracy, we don't have any sort of royalty we have to bow down to or dictators who go around chopping off the heads of people they don't like, and shooting those that they do. All in all, we're pretty damn good.That being said, we've got a lot to answer for: Indians (treating like shit) Blacks (slavery and calling "the n-word") Japanese (relocation camps) Irish (I'm sure we did something bad to them) Nixon (how the hell did he get elected) Reagan (ditto)

and so on...and our current climate of "Us or Them", while a great Pink Floyd song, does nothing to help foster the notion that we truly have "freedom of speech". And what's with all the "liberal = traitor" crap that's real big right now? Overall, the USA has it's flaws, but I wouldn't want to live anywhere else......well, Britain would be cool......or France, all those women who don't shave nonwithstanding.....Norway has some lovely lakes......

Anyway, my point is, I'm proud to be an American (but not "Proud to Be an American"), I admit we're screwed up sometimes, but I love it here

I agree with you, Trevor. We do have a lot to answer for. Damn whities....

The best thing to come out of the USA is comedian Denis Leary ( when he did stand up ), class

Mike

Imagine if the Americans now find Osama, then Bush will be a lock for the presidency in 2004

Originally posted by Mike Garrity The best thing to come out of the USA is comedian Denis Leary ( when he did stand up ), classMike

You don't like his Quaker State commercials? ;)

Really have no plans to live anywhere else unless I can find an English speaking country with low taxes, low gasoline prices, gun rights and a decent medical industry. Perhaps Canada.

Originally posted by twist Really have no plans to live anywhere else unless I can find an English speaking country with low taxes, low gasoline prices, gun rights and a decent medical industry. Perhaps Canada.

The US has awful medical coverage; even Cuba has better doctors than we do.

Originally posted by Tristan Jayol Imagine if the Americans now find Osama, then Bush will be a lock for the presidency in 2004

Bush doesn't need to find Osama-- Saddam can distract everybody away from what a miserable failure Bush's response to 9/11 has been. Of course, unless Bush is dispensing with show trials altogether, Saddam will still have to be charged with something...and by now, we know it won't be illegally holding weapons of mass destruction. But I'm sure those fascists in the White House can rig somethingup before the "election."

Well Cuba may have better doctors but they cannot feed them. Healthcare v human rights, food, poverty. Tough choice. Somebody has to keep them healthy so they can swim over to Florida.

What government programs would you cut to provide US citizens with better healthcare coverage? And would it be better than what your parents are paying for you now? Hey, if someone would come up with a program that would not tax me to death and could provide better service than what I pay for now then I would support it. But I do not think that Americans are willing to pay more in taxes for inferior service just to make sure everyone is covered. That is the problem with Socialism, make everything worse so all are equal.

Originally posted by bLuE oRdEr > Originally posted by Tristan Jayol Imagine if the Americans now find Osama, then Bush will be a lock for the presidency in 2004

Bush doesn't need to find Osama-- Saddam can distract everybody away from what a miserable failure Bush's response to 9/11 has been. Of course, unless Bush is dispensing with show trials altogether, Saddam will still have to be charged with something...and by now, we know it won't be illegally holding weapons of mass destruction. But I'm sure those fascists in the White House can rig somethingup before the "election."

Bush's reaction to 9/11 has not been a failure; Saddam has been caught, and Al Qaeda is constantly being threatened and no more attacks have come stateside, plus the conquer of Iraq means megabucks for our corporations. All tat I think about is how would Gore treat 9/11; like Clinton ; Bill must have had the worst foreign policymaker. Since the Cold War had ended, he believed America could afford to scrap the bulk of its intelligence system; look what happened, 9/11. He bombed Iraq and got no effect. He supported the Kosovars, a nation supporting terrorism, and the number of Kosovars actually killed was greatly inflated, and under Clinton, a Chinese embassy was bombed in Belgrade... smart. Clinton had the chance to catch Osama, but instead bombed a pharmaceutical in the Sudan. I won't go into what happened with the Tibetans and the Lincoln bedroom. He ignored Rwanda. If Gore followed in those footsteps, then what position would the US be in now?

If catching Saddam is Bush's crowning achievment in response to 9/11, then Bush is a miserable failure; Saddam, whatever his vices, has no link whatsoever to 9/11. But as long as Bush has Saddam to distract us, we can all forget that bin Laden is still out there.

As for attacks stateside, they've been coming daily-- attacks by Bush and Ashcroft on America and the liberties for which she stands.

But as long as we've got Saddam-- who had nothing to do with 9/11-- what's the loss of something as trivial as our civil liberties?

The people of America are just fine, it's the people they elect into power that are the problem.

Originally posted by bLuE oRdEr If catching Saddam is Bush's crowning achievment in response to 9/11, then Bush is a miserable failure; Saddam, whatever his vices, has no link whatsoever to 9/11. But as long as Bush has Saddam to distract us, we can all forget that bin Laden is still out there.As for attacks stateside, they've been coming daily-- attacks by Bush and Ashcroft on America and the liberties for which she stands.But as long as we've got Saddam-- who had nothing to do with 9/11-- what's the loss of something as trivial as our civil liberties?

Attacking Saddam allows the nation's corporations to cash in on the war and keep the economy rolling. Yes I agree Saddam has been an issue Bush has used to shield himself from OBL, the economy (before it upsurged), and North Korea. Our troops are still in Afghanistan, and we are still looking; eventually our military will capture him dead or alive, so just wait. Have Bush and Ashcroft impeded on our civil liberties? Yes, but nothing enough for the American people to stop the military from doing its job to seek and destroy terrorist units in the states, and if it is such a pressing issue, then the Supreme Court can deal with it. Right now, the economy is rebounding, the job market is getting better by each month, and Saddam is gone. That is a sure of a hell lot better than how Clinton left the United States when his term ended: a downturning economy, the threat of OBL, and a dictator at the head of the Iraqi state, which we could not employ its resources to fuel our corporations. What I want to know is why Reagan is not being blamed for Saddam? C'mon he used Saddam as a puppet in his plight against the Iranis.

Originally posted by Buffer Low The people of America are just fine, it's the people they elect into power that are the problem.

Like Clinton twice, Papa Bush, and Reagan. The US has not had a good president since Nixon's first term, but we all know what happened at the start of his second term. ;)

Originally posted by Tristan Jayol > Originally posted by bLuE oRdEr> If catching Saddam is Bush's crowning achievment in response to 9/11, then Bush is a miserable failure; Saddam, whatever his vices, has no link whatsoever to 9/11. But as long as Bush has Saddam to distract us, we can all forget that bin Laden is still out there.> > As for attacks stateside, they've been coming daily-- attacks by Bush and Ashcroft on America and the liberties for which she stands.> > But as long as we've got Saddam-- who had nothing to do with 9/11-- what's the loss of something as trivial as our civil liberties?

Attacking Saddam allows the nation's corporations to cash in on the war and keep the economy rolling. Yes I agree Saddam has been an issue Bush has used to shield himself from OBL, the economy (before it upsurged), and North Korea. Our troops are still in Afghanistan, and we are still looking; eventually our military will capture him dead or alive, so just wait. Have Bush and Ashcroft impeded on our civil liberties? Yes, but nothing enough for the American people to stop the military from doing its job to seek and destroy terrorist units in the states, and if it is such a pressing issue, then the Supreme Court can deal with it. Right now, the economy is rebounding, the job market is getting better by each month, and Saddam is gone. That is a sure of a hell lot better than how Clinton left the United States when his term ended: a downturning economy, the threat of OBL, and a dictator at the head of the Iraqi state, which we could not employ its resources to fuel our corporations. What I want to know is why Reagan is not being blamed for Saddam? C'mon he used Saddam as a puppet in his plight against the Iranis.

What you're describing as American foreign policy sounds suspiciously like war crimes in violation of international law. If that's truly our foreign policy, then perhaps you'd agree that Bush should be put on trial alongside Saddam?

When is the last time America has bothered with international law??? No Republican or Democrat cares about international law. Americans are self-serving twats.

Originally posted by Tristan Jayol > Originally posted by Buffer Low> The people of America are just fine, it's the people they elect into power that are the problem.

Like Clinton twice, Papa Bush, and Reagan. The US has not had a good president since Nixon's first term, but we all know what happened at the start of his second term. ;)

Wow, someone who's Republican (or at least right-wing) saying Reagan wasn't a good president? You are strange, Tristan :D

Bubba could've been great, if the Repubs hadn't been so interested in his getting some pussy on the side (can you say "repressed"?). One of the great tragedies of the 1990s is, while Osama was planning his little surprise for us, the full measure and weight of various intelligence agencies was directed at "who the President slept with, and don't spare the naughty details".

Originally posted by Taboo # 7 > Originally posted by Tristan Jayol > Originally posted by Buffer Low> The people of America are just fine, it's the people they elect into power that are the problem.

Like Clinton twice, Papa Bush, and Reagan. The US has not had a good president since Nixon's first term, but we all know what happened at the start of his second term. ;)

Wow, someone who's Republican (or at least right-wing) saying Reagan wasn't a good president? You are strange, Tristan :D

Bubba could've been great, if the Repubs hadn't been so interested in his getting some pussy on the side (can you say "repressed"?). One of the great tragedies of the 1990s is, while Osama was planning his little surprise for us, the full measure and weight of various intelligence agencies was directed at "who the President slept with, and don't spare the naughty details".

Bubba was never great; I mean as Arkansas governor, his crowning achievement was taking his state's education from 50th to fooking 49th; Clinton was merely a cool personality, but a rather mediocre president. He rode the climbing economy stemming from the last year of Papa Bush. The only thing I liked about Clinton was that the news was never boring with him around.

Reagan was just another character as well.

Originally posted by bLuE oRdEr If catching Saddam is Bush's crowning achievment in response to 9/11, then Bush is a miserable failure; Saddam, whatever his vices, has no link whatsoever to 9/11. But as long as Bush has Saddam to distract us, we can all forget that bin Laden is still out there.As for attacks stateside, they've been coming daily-- attacks by Bush and Ashcroft on America and the liberties for which she stands.But as long as we've got Saddam-- who had nothing to do with 9/11-- what's the loss of something as trivial as our civil liberties?

Perhaps you could tells us which pieces of legislation that the President and the AG have crafted and passed that have "attacked" our civil liberities? Oh wait, there's that whole "separation of powers" thing.......

Let's see, miserable failure.......

The Dow over 10K.

Saddam behind bars.

Dean the Democrat party's only vialble candidate in '04.

Just because you repeat Dick's catch phrase (The Big Lie) over and over again doesn't make it so.

The President isn't looking like much of a chump.

The US reminds me of Ancient Athens in its peak (5th century BC): The most powrfull in commerce, with a free democratic state (if u exlude the slaves of course, who are something like today's illegal immigrants ;) ). On the other hand though, a state with a strong military attitude as far as foreigh issues are concerned, and a permanent tendency to interfiere with (even to their "allies"'s) internal affairs. A policy which lead finally Athens to become the most hated state on the ancient greek world (especially to their allies who ended up staying allies because of fear and not because they chose to anymore). In the end thats the reason Athens was destroyed by the end of 5th century and never gained their former power again. At least, ancient Athens left a lot to be remembered till now, i dont know if we can find an analogy here with today's US.... Thoucidides, the great Athenian history writer of that time who told that story of the rise and fall of the Athenian "golden era", believed that "as long as human nature remains the same, constantly seeking for profit and power and using in politics meanings such as justice only to hide the true purposes, history will keep repeating itslef, bringing allways war and terror in the end, leading to the fall of the arrogant superpower and givin birth to another". Seems to me that human nature hasnt changed at all since then... As for what the future might be, only time can tell.