WTF???I hate the RIAA...

The RIAA's president, Cary Sherman, said illegal downloads continue hurting new, legitimate Internet services for selling music. "We are sending a clear message that downloading or 'sharing' music from a peer-to-peer network without authorization is illegal, it can have consequences and it undermines the creative future of music itself," Sherman said in a statement.

Undermines the creative future of music? Biggest load of BS i've heard. I hope his children die poor and disease ridden.

I suggest using some voodoo spells on that prick

Right, those "legitimate Internet services" are bullshit! I mean, one dollar per song? So, you download 15 songs and you pay 15 dollars? Then, say, another dollar for the CDR to record the songs and you spent 16 dollars for a record of MP3s when you can buy a lot of (real, with better sound) albums for 10/15 dollars? Also those services have a very limited catalogue, I doubt you could find the stuff you find on SoulSeek, like out of print and unavailable records, live stuff, underground indie bands... you won't ever find the Bush Tetras on those crap services... I'd pay to download music, yes. It would be fair paying for all the stuff we get. Let's say 50 cent for a song is alright. But I don't want limits to the kind of files, I want to choose between the files of the members of the service, not the files offered by the record labels.

One could always park a truck bomb under the RIAA headquarters. Heard that works.

And bring a huge amp and blast any Michael Jackson song at full blast 30 seconds before. Yes, that would be fun too.

Originally posted by Spotnick Crap..We all know artist do their money when doing GIGS, not on the albums only...Have you ever thought of the percentage the artists touch on one sale? it's ridiculous.. we know the prices now to produce an album and even though we know it's probably a lot cheaper due to a lot bigger production, it's completely ridiculous...All the rest is profit for the label and spent in publicity...So screw them! free the music industry and let's do gigs instead of buying albums!

Except when New Order is concerned. Putting out 25 mixes of the same song for all the trainspotters is a good way to make a buck on a small amount of work and still not gig extensively.

What is remixing all about ? If you recorded a record surely thats it ? Why remix it? I agree it's to make a buck out of all the fools who buy em.

Give me New Oder live anyday, and on another note RETRO is utter rubbish, who proof read the booklet? Stevie Wonder !

Mike

These RIAA people talk through their arse,how many New Order tracks have you downloaded? The answer: Only the ones NOT available! If they put out the tracks we cant buy on CD (Temptation 7",MTO,The Happy One etc) we wouldnt have anything to download-REAL fans of any band will ALWAYS buy the cds. Its time record companies woke up

The RIAA are a bunch of fooking money grabbing morons, they are an archaic organization hanging onto an obsolete business model. They hate the idea new technology and online pay per song sites, they'd charge 5 bucks a song if they could. PLUS the artist gets nothing from that download paid for, that 1 buck goes straight to the RIAA, the artists are far down on the food chain and end up getting something ridiculous like 2% of the net profits. Factory had the right idea of splitting everything 50/50, pity it didn't work out. The RIAA assaulting their own customers with lawsuits is only going to guarantee their demise. I buy my CD's from second hand stores so at least I'm not handing money over to them directly. I wonder what NO thinks of the RIAA?

Originally posted by Spotnick Crap..We all know artist do their money when doing GIGS, not on the albums only...Have you ever thought of the percentage the artists touch on one sale? it's ridiculous.. we know the prices now to produce an album and even though we know it's probably a lot cheaper due to a lot bigger production, it's completely ridiculous...All the rest is profit for the label and spent in publicity...So screw them! free the music industry and let's do gigs instead of buying albums!

I don't think bands make a whole lot of money on touring; in fact, touring can cost the band (and the record company) money. They do it for one reason-- to promote sales of their new material, and hopefully, of their back-catalogue.

And touring, whether it's profitable or not, is hard, hard work, physically and psychologically. It takes a toll on the individual band members, and on their families. There's a reason that bands trying to make it tour constantly, and that bands that have made it cut back on touring.

The percentage that artists make on a CD is ridiculously small. I don't claim any special expertise in terms of knowing where the money goes, but I don't think it's accurate to say that since the band gets at most $1 from the sale of a $16 CD, that the rest goes to the "greedy" record company. A $16 CD is sold at the retail price; the wholesale price is going to be coniderably less-- perhaps as low as $8? The difference between wholesale and retail goes to the "greedy" record store where you bought the CD-- and they have to pay for rent, utilities, wages, taxes, and all the other overhead expenses necessary to keep their doors open, as well as keep their shelves stocked.

So the record company gets what-- $8 on the sale of the CD? And $1 of that goes to the artist? That leaves $7 for the record company; but that isn't all gravy-- record companies cost money to run. The record company may have to pay a band to sign-- in some cases, they may pay a small fortune to get a band to sign. They have to record the band, which means fronting the band money for the recording sessions. The recording studio needs to get paid, regardless of whether the band sells CD's or not. So the record company fronts the band money for the recording sessions. If the record company is fortunate, they'll get that money back when the CD sells. If the CD doesn't sell, or if Shaun Ryder pisses the recording money away, the record company loses it's investment. The record comapny's investment doesn't stop there. CD's need artwork, and promotion-- including touring, which can be a money loser, unless CD sales are factored in. And if the CD doesn't sell, the record company loses its investment.

It doesn't stop there. Do you like to hear new music, by new bands, or would you prefer to only hear music by bands that are established? Record companies invest in new bands, without any guarantee that those bands will sell CDs. Some bands go on to make a lot of money, and the record company sees a return on it's investment. Some bands-- perhaps the majority-- are money pits. That's the risk inherent in trying to bring new bands to the market.

On top of everything else, record companies also have overhead-- rent, salaries, taxes, etc. And yes, record company exec's are well-paid, as are various knighted "rock stars," but I think it's a mistake to look at a handful of well-paid people and think that that's where your $16 went.

So in the end, cutting out the record companies-- and the artists-- by downloading "free" music hurts the artists, who are getting screwed out of their income by their "fans," and lessens the ability of record companies to invest in new bands.

I agree, I just say paying 16 dollars for a CD is alright, but here a new one costs fookin 21! That's too much for most people, especially young. Hence the download is morally legitimate, especially if it's a chance to know a band and then buying other CDs from that band. I'm the first to recommend to buy records from new bands when they launch them at $15. That's also encouragement to lowering the prices on the market. If we don't buy $21 CDs (unless really necessary) and if we buy CDs priced $5, 10 or 15, record labels will understand that that's where the market is, and better to sell 10 CDs for $10 than 4 CDs for $20... Also I mostly see downloading as a way of getting otherwise absolutely unavailable material...

Double posting? Shame on you, Webmastah.

Tsk tsk, Nick! :D Don't worry, I'm only messing with ya!

I think Spotty should recieve a harsh e-mail from the webmaster about this....wait, why doesn't that work out?

Originally posted by FREE JEFF THE CHEF! hey...quit trying to piss nicos off...what will we do if he just says to hell with this?!?!?!

I was jsut foolin' (big puppy dog eyes) :(

I do download music, but I still prefer to buy CDs and tapes (where they're still sold.) Although for a band that I only like one song from, I download, or if I don't have a lot of money at the moment (like now, after I lost my ATM card.) But, aside from listening to the music, nothing beats buying a CD or a tape and looking at the cover are and linear notes.

double posting is fun