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THE PASSION OF THE FUHRER

Critics are up in arms over Mel Gibson's latest film, "The Passion of the Fuhrer", because of what they perceive as anti-Semitic bias in the film. But Gibson has maintained that his picture (a biopic of the former Austrian painter and dictator Adolph Hitler) is faithful to "Mein Kampf" and other source material, and that critics are reading more into it than there is.

For example, Gibson cites his depiction of Hitler's mother being neglected by a Jewish doctor as "historical record" and denys that Hitler had any prejudice towards the Jews because of this. What's more, the period of Hitler's life where he was a starving art student in Vienna has been misinterpreted as the time when he first became aware of ant-Semitic literature.

"At that time, people didn't know what to believe," Gibson said in an interview with Diane Sawyer last week. "They (the Austrians) were looking for anyone to blame for the social ills at the turn of the century. Bosnians, Serbs, Croats; it's no surprise that they eventually turned to the Jews as well. But don't we all want someone to blame for our own failings?"

Gibson states that scenes involving Hitler's rise to power were "tastefully done", including the slaughter of several hundred "enemies" during the "Night of Long Knives" and the "supposedly staged Reichstag fire", which Gibson claims (as did the Nazis) was started by a Dutch arsonist and not the Nazis themselves in a ploy to gain more power.

"You've really got to go back to that time, to understand why they needed to have absolute power. Germany had just lost the First World War, they needed someone to make them feel good again. Hitler did that, and that's what I try to show."

Perhaps the film's most controversial section shows the beginnings of the Second World War (Gibson blames the British for "forcing Hitler's hand") and the death camps in eastern Europe. "I believe Hitler didn't know the Holocaust was going on," Gibson reiterated in the Sawyer interview. "He was busy with a two-front war and trying to negotiate with the Brits and Americans so they could face the real threat of Russia. I think the fact that Europe was divided after the war into democracies and Russian satellite states shows you how right he was. He couldn't possibly keep up with a little thing like detaining the Jews."

Robert Lyman of the Anti-Defamation League sees things differently. "Mr. Gibson is playing fast and loose with the facts, he's putting Hitler on a pedestal and saying that it was okay to go after the Jews. They're 'Christ-killers' and he was simply seeking retribution for their crimes. What's more, he even denys that the death toll was as high as six million."

Gibson admitted that, indeed, he felt the totals of those killed had been "pretty inflated" and went on to say that, while Treblinka, Auschwitz, and Dachau existed as concentration camps, any deaths there were "purely accidental".

The film concludes with a bloody Hitler being killed by his most trusted aides in the Berlin bunker (contradicting historical sources that Hitler committed suicide). The last twenty minutes of Hitler's life, as depicted in the film, involve an elaborate crucifixion that most historians have blasted as wildy inaccurate. Gibson defends his view of the Fuhrer's last days as "artistic license" and claims that, upon a special screening for anonymous Nazi war criminals in hiding, most said "it is as it was."

The film, set to debut in time for the Christmas season, stars John Travolta as Hitler, Paris Hilton as Eva Braun, Bob Hoskins as Churchill, and (in his last screen role) Richard Harris as God (who appears to Hitler in a dream and calls for "lebenstraum" in the East).

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Is Arnold playing the lead role?

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Here's a shot from Sean Hannity's cameo as Heydrich

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Who's playing Rudolf Hess? Can't forget him now.

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Here's the cast list:

Joe Pesci (Himmler) James Gandolfini (Goering) Sean Hayes (Eichmann) Nathan Lane (Hess) Tom Cruise (Goebbels) Gary Coleman (Hindenburg - "What you talkin' bout, Hitler?") Quentin Tarantino (Speer) Kevin Costner (FDR) Ricardo Montelban (Franco) Russell Crow (Mussolini) Dave Coulier (Stalin)

:D

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Strange as it may seem, there are similarities between Nazis & Christianity, which I'm sure are quite deliberate. A H portreyed himself as a saviour of the German people. J C of the world. The NAZI symbol is a hooked cross. Christians have a cross. The NAZI Reich was supposed to last a thousand years. Christ's kingdom upon his return also 1000 years. They also both have a book upon which their respective ideologies are based; Mein Kampf and the Bible.

Mel could still play A H. He is still younger than Dolphie was when he expired.

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Originally posted by Taboo # 7 Here's the cast list:Joe Pesci (Himmler)James Gandolfini (Goering)Sean Hayes (Eichmann)Nathan Lane (Hess)Tom Cruise (Goebbels)Gary Coleman (Hindenburg - "What you talkin' bout, Hitler?")Quentin Tarantino (Speer)Kevin Costner (FDR)Ricardo Montelban (Franco)Russell Crow (Mussolini)Dave Coulier (Stalin):D

There's no Arnold? Bah, I would not go see that. I want to see a Nazi Schwarzennegger; he would make a good Rommel.

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To give credit where credit is due, my cousin actually dreamed up a scenario where Mel would play Hitler (this was after "Braveheart"), and the idea thus I ripped off from him. Great idea, of course (which is why I stole it) :evil4:

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Originally posted by Tristan Jayol > Originally posted by Taboo # 7> Here's the cast list:> > Joe Pesci (Himmler)> James Gandolfini (Goering)> Sean Hayes (Eichmann)> Nathan Lane (Hess)> Tom Cruise (Goebbels)> Gary Coleman (Hindenburg - "What you talkin' bout, Hitler?")> Quentin Tarantino (Speer)> Kevin Costner (FDR)> Ricardo Montelban (Franco)> Russell Crow (Mussolini)> Dave Coulier (Stalin)> > :D

There's no Arnold? Bah, I would not go see that. I want to see a Nazi Schwarzennegger

Perhaps Gary Coleman is a stretch, but hey, it's not like I made this up! This is legit Hollywood gossip :D

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Originally posted by Taboo # 7 > Originally posted by Tristan Jayol > Originally posted by Taboo # 7> Here's the cast list:> > Joe Pesci (Himmler)> James Gandolfini (Goering)> Sean Hayes (Eichmann)> Nathan Lane (Hess)> Tom Cruise (Goebbels)> Gary Coleman (Hindenburg - "What you talkin' bout, Hitler?")> Quentin Tarantino (Speer)> Kevin Costner (FDR)> Ricardo Montelban (Franco)> Russell Crow (Mussolini)> Dave Coulier (Stalin)> > :D

There's no Arnold? Bah, I would not go see that. I want to see a Nazi Schwarzennegger

Perhaps Gary Coleman is a stretch, but hey, it's not like I made this up! This is legit Hollywood gossip :D I live closer to Hollywood and I heard The First Lady would act as Eva Braun, and Arnold will play Rommel, because he would go kick ass in Africa :evil4:

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Originally posted by Tristan Jayol > Originally posted by Taboo # 7> > > > Originally posted by Tristan Jayol> > Originally posted by Taboo # 7> Here's the cast list:> > Joe Pesci (Himmler)> James Gandolfini (Goering)> Sean Hayes (Eichmann)> Nathan Lane (Hess)> Tom Cruise (Goebbels)> Gary Coleman (Hindenburg - "What you talkin' bout, Hitler?")> Quentin Tarantino (Speer)> Kevin Costner (FDR)> Ricardo Montelban (Franco)> Russell Crow (Mussolini)> Dave Coulier (Stalin)> > :D

There's no Arnold? Bah, I would not go see that. I want to see a Nazi Schwarzennegger

Perhaps Gary Coleman is a stretch, but hey, it's not like I made this up! This is legit Hollywood gossip :D I live closer to Hollywood and I heard The First Lady would act as Eva Braun, and Arnold will play Rommel, because he would go kick ass in Africa :evil4:

The rest of the cast:

Ah-nuld (Rommel) :thumb: Frankie Muniez (Neville Chamberlain) Clint Eastwood (Clint Eastwood) Roger Moore (Alois Hitler) Uma Thurman (Hitler's mom) Steve Buscemi (Harry Truman) Vin Diesel (Eleanor Roosevelt) Sean William Scott (Annoying Guy who Hitler Kills with Bare hands) Marlon Brando (the Jews)

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It's being reposrted that Gibson will make a prequel to the Passion of the Fuhrer and make the Passion of the Kaiser. Since all the European monarchs were related, Gibson has hired the Arquette family.

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Robert Duvall could play Admiral Doenitz, for after Hitler kills himself, someone's gotta be running the ship, so to speak..........maybe we could get Al Haig to do that, if he's not too busy these days.

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Originally posted by Ronald Kirsch The NAZI symbol is a hooked cross.

the swastika is an ancient symbol designed by the aryan people of the indus river civilization in modern-day pakistan. it predates the christian cross by thousands of years! the nazis, however, reversed the swastika for their use.

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This would make a good sequel to Indiana Jones & The Last Crusade.

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Originally posted by Tristan Jayol It's being reposrted that Gibson will make a prequel to the Passion of the Fuhrer and make the Passion of the Kaiser. Since all the European monarchs were related, Gibson has hired the Arquette family.

Wilford Brimley will play Bismarck ("Eat your Quaker Oats, or we'll take Alsace-Lorraine) :D

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Originally posted by Taboo # 7 > Originally posted by Tristan Jayol It's being reposrted that Gibson will make a prequel to the Passion of the Fuhrer and make the Passion of the Kaiser. Since all the European monarchs were related, Gibson has hired the Arquette family.

Wilford Brimley will play Bismarck ("Eat your Quaker Oats, or we'll take Alsace-Lorraine) :D HA! :laugh:

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Originally posted by Casey Ryback This would make a good sequel to Indiana Jones & The Last Crusade.

only if there's face-melting nazis. i like my indiana jones movies with face-melting nazis.

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That's how I like my November elections.

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Originally posted by bLuE oRdEr That's how I like my November elections.

You're voting for Bush, right :D

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I'll only watch it if "Belsen Was a Gas" plays over the end credits.

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Originally posted by AgentWood > Originally posted by Casey Ryback> This would make a good sequel to Indiana Jones & The Last Crusade.

only if there's face-melting nazis. i like my indiana jones movies with face-melting nazis.

Outstanding Agent W.:clap:

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Originally posted by AgentWood > Originally posted by Casey Ryback> This would make a good sequel to Indiana Jones & The Last Crusade.

only if there's face-melting nazis. i like my indiana jones movies with face-melting nazis. Let's hope the 4th installment delivers the goods re: face-melting, even if there aren't Nazis in it.

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I think he's already working on the second film:

The Passion of the Christ 2: The Second Coming

Look out, sinners, he's back and better than ever!

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Originally posted by Thief Like Me I think he's already working on the second film:The Passion of the Christ 2: The Second ComingLook out, sinners, he's back and better than ever!

I want to see a Rapture film where people suddenly vaporize. But the non-living (therefore, soulless) bits get left behind when people vanish, so the outer layers of skin remain like a billowing translucent shed snake skin--except that the sudden vacuum created by the rapturing makes the air inside the skin smash together with a loud crack like small thundercracks.

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Originally posted by AgentWood > Originally posted by Ronald Kirsch> The NAZI symbol is a hooked cross.

the swastika is an ancient symbol designed by the aryan people of the indus river civilization in modern-day pakistan. it predates the christian cross by thousands of years! the nazis, however, reversed the swastika for their use.

True the Nazis however did appropriate it. It definitely was not in use in Germany before them.

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James Mason played the best Nazi ever. Twice played Rommel. Played a Werhmacht in The Cross of Iron. He was a General in The Blue Max.

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