Maradona in hospital again

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He`ll get no sympathy off me the cheating twat!

Yeah, never mind eh?

Next.

The amount of noses he's got up over here, I call this poetic justice that something shite gets up his nose.....

Best footballer i've ever seen, i wish him well.

Originally posted by The Haçienda must be (re)Built Best footballer i've ever seen, i wish him well.

You must be kidding!!!

We know who is the best

You have never seen ME playing I suppose :D

Originally posted by Server Error in "/" Application > Originally posted by The Haçienda must be (re)Built Best footballer i've ever seen, i wish him well.

You must be kidding!!!

We know who is the best

Michel Platini, or maybe Oswaldo Piazza

Originally posted by The Haçienda must be (re)Built Best footballer i've ever seen, i wish him well.

But not as good up front as your AVATAR?:D

Truly pathetic....

Compare his post career with that of Pele...Class and building interest in the game globally versus Crass and rebuilding his nose with plastic surgery....

I really hope he cleans up...he could still be a positive force if only to show how to get away with hand balls near the goal

Originally posted by SP1 He`ll get no sympathy off me the cheating twat!

You can't say fairer than that.

Originally posted by almanso i´m sick of hearing opinions about Diego as a player bringing the fact that he can´t be the best because he´s a drug addict. that goal vs England and the other one vs Belgium he did it drug free. maybe it´s a way for some people to justify the fact that he crossed the whole field letting a bunch of players behind and making their team go home.

Fair enough, but by his own admission he CHEATED when he scored the first. Becoming a drug addict is one thing, but being a cheat is inexcusable. Particularly when you have enough talent that you don't need to be...

Alejo, though undoubtedly Maradona was a fine footballer, he will never ever be seen as just a fine player in England. He will forever be tainted with the fact that he (by his own admission) cheated us out of a match. That will never go away. The other goal he scored will never be seen as the wondergoal it was simply because that should have earned his side only a draw, it will forever be overshadowed by the cheating.

And yes I am glad the cheating bastard is ill, serves him right.

Originally posted by almanso it seems drugs weren´t the problem this time. even though the drugs made the whole cardiologic problems he has, plus his overweight. i´m not saying he´s clean, because he´s not. but he was really trying hard to get out of that. it was a mix of cardiologic problems and lung infection combined with high blood tensionand i´d like to say something to those who laugh at drug addictions and it´s consecuences, why don´t you try to get rid of your own addictions? i´m sure it´s hard, isn´t it? on the other hand drugs has anything to do with his skill as a player. i´m sick of hearing opinions about Diego as a player bringing the fact that he can´t be the best because he´s a drug addict. that goal vs England and the other one vs Belgium he did it drug free. maybe it´s a way for some people to justify the fact that he crossed the whole field letting a bunch of players behind and making their team go home. besides, if drug is such a big deal for some of you i wonder what the hell are you doing here, giving tribute to a bunch of drug and alcohol addicts like the members of NO were/are. what is important is the things you make and what you give to the world in your time in earth. Van Gogh was crazy, Wilde was gay, Picasso was a communist... so what? let´s enjoy what they did without being so fooking judgemental about everything. let´s see the mirror first, shall we? and find that we´re horrible creatures with a couple of good characteristics.i´m sorry, but sometimes i can´t stand the hypocresy of some people.

How do we know that the proven cheat with the great physique wasn't coked up to eyeballs and on steroids(his cock is small enough) when he ghosted past those players? The reason sport is dying is the whole win at all costs attitude brought about by commerce, and the political ideologies of the Eastern Bloc. Who gives a rats arse about the olympics anymore? Why? because of cheating athletes. Being clean was never an apsect of music that was lauded as a virtue. Absolutely no hypocrisy is involved whatsoever.

Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by Hank Wiseass© > Originally posted by almanso How do we know that the proven cheat with the great physique wasn't coked up to eyeballs and on steroids(his cock is small enough) when he ghosted past those players? .

I'm not convinced being 'coked up to the eyeballs' helps you score goals like that in football, unless you can tell me different?!

I'd have to said it would have a fairly detrimental effect, bar perhaps on endurance.

Didn't he test positive for cocaine in USA 94, whilst coincidentally enjoying something of an Indian summer on the pitch?

Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by Hank Wiseass© Didn't he test positive for cocaine in USA 94, whilst coincidentally enjoying something of an Indian summer on the pitch?

Indeed. From memory, I think he tested positive for numerous other banned substances as well?!

Still can't see the charlie made him any 'better' a footballer, per se, mind.

Personally, I don't give a flying one if Maradona did the odd line (well, the odd kilo in his case). Let he who is without sin, et cetera.

I don't much care who takes what. I don't however like the idea that if you play by the rules, you end up a mug as someone cheats their way to the top. I certainly wouldn't like to think I was paying to watch someone on a hiding to nothing because of drugs cheats.

Originally posted by ShugZV© cortisone Al;)Is coke gonna improve you as a footballer Hanky? fookin doubt it me ole fruitcake. My two wee brothers took an E before one of our games earlier this season They were absolutely terrible, and our Daniel is usually one of the best. John probably had a few grammes still in him as well, and he was worse than Daniel!!!Whether he took drugs is neither here nor there to me, the man was a genius on the field. The QF of 86 was DAM v Belgium, that's how good he was. As for that solo effort - there's never been a better goal than that. The one where he took on the whole England team was good as wellAnd please, don't mention John Barnes' in the same sentence;)

I'm no drugs expert but aren't the main effects of cocaine to increase your heart rate and produce an inner confidence/cockyness. Now if we could perhaps get the current Liverpool team to play with those characteristics...

Mind you if it wasn't for Maradona New Order would be missing a song title.

Hope he makes a full recovery and gets back on the straight and narrow so he can hopefully train and inspire young kids to become fantastic footballers like he was,

Casey - agree Almanso - agree

And i think had Peter Shiltons fist been flying through the air towards my head i would have put my arm up to defend myself as well...

Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by Hank Wiseass© I certainly wouldn't like to think I was paying to watch someone on a hiding to nothing because of drugs cheats.

So, we, like, stop seeing New Order on stage because they might be 'on something'?

Or burn our copies of Temptation cos Barney (allegedly) recorded the lyrics whilst under the influence?!

Eh? What competition would they be cheating in?

..and Barney had the cheek to wear a DON'T DO DRUGS t-shirt on The Roxy programme in '87. The cad !

Blimey!

its turning one of the best NewOrder threads for ages, if anything this is ON TOPIC! and should be bumped over to the main forum where it may attract more comments/arguments

So what if NewOrder take drugs... but I do think that sports persons are role models for a healthy lifestyle,

counterargument is that budding musicians think they can only unlock that creative process if they take drugs themselves... hmmm

so should there should be some distinction made...

Originally posted by ShugZV© > Originally posted by Casey Ryback> ..and Barney had the cheek to wear a DON'T DO DRUGS t-shirt on The Roxy programme in '87. The cad !

Yeah - but the reverse print read "IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE THEM" As God is ma witness.

Quite true, sir.

New Order aren't competing against "fellow sportsmen" who are not under the influence of substances that may enhance performance......I don't give a toss if they take every drug in the world, but I do draw the line (note obvious puns there..) when honest sportsmen are beaten by drug cheats.

so its ok to take drugs if your a musician and come up with that killer hook or chorus while you are "in the zone" which edges you that record contract over your peers who may be wracking their brains yet suffering from writers block yet refuse to do drugs because of moralistic issues???

Dont get me wrong, I don't agree with what im writing here! but im trying to draw some parallels between the two situations - if indeed there are any to be drawn..?

Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by Hank Wiseass© > Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by Hank Wiseass© I certainly wouldn't like to think I was paying to watch someone on a hiding to nothing because of drugs cheats.

So, we, like, stop seeing New Order on stage because they might be 'on something'?

Or burn our copies of Temptation cos Barney (allegedly) recorded the lyrics whilst under the influence?!

Eh? What competition would they be cheating in?

They're taking drugs. Which is very bad. I thought this was the argument. I still don't understand the rhetoric that Maradona was in any way a world-class footballer because he fancied the odd toot. Well, not the odd, but you get the picture. I couldn't give a fcuk what he shoved up his nose - he was a joy to watch.

No argument from me that taking drugs is bad, I haven't once intimated that to be the case. Using them to cheat is the issue.

Oooops! I meant parallel LINES between the two situations!

Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by The DoN> so its ok to take drugs if your a musician and come up with that killer hook or chorus while you are "in the zone" which edges you that record contract over your peers who may be wracking their brains yet suffering from writers block yet refuse to do drugs because of moralistic issues???> > Dont get me wrong, I don't agree with what im writing here! but im trying to draw some parallels between the two situations - if indeed there are any to be drawn..?

I don't think there's a parallel. If people are anti-drugs, they're anti-drugs full stop. Surely?

I can't see any situation where you can say it's okay on one hand for a rock star to take cocaine, but it's not okay for a professional footballer to do so. You makes your bed, you lie in it.

So following that logic, if you were to spend 4 grand following your team up and down the contry and across Europe all season and they missed out to a team who tested positive for banned substances, you wouldn't be arsed because you like to dabble yourself?

well, drugs can kill you. and taking drug don´t make you any better but neither a bad man, just an adict. do drugs make you play better? i don´t think so, you really need to have talent for that. do drugs make you sing or play better? not really, and i don´t think it has anything to do with creativity too. i don´t think that using drugs is cheating (well it really depends on the drug you take) but i think is more an illness than anything else. i think that Maradona is a great player and he still has the magic with him. but he is an adict (i wish he wasn´t) and it is very difficult for him to get out of this. he may never get out, but still it has nothing to do with his gift. but it has a lot to do with his health and with his life. he is not a bad man, he is just an adict. a great player, a great man that couldn´t stand the exposure, the fame, the money, but still the best futbol player in the world.

Originally posted by Ishtar well, drugs can kill you. and taking drug don´t make you any better but neither a bad man, just an adict.do drugs make you play better? i don´t think so, you really need to have talent for that.do drugs make you sing or play better? not really, and i don´t think it has anything to do with creativity too..

Drugs has nothing to do with creativity

your surely havin a laugh!

Many of the finest lyrics, chords in the world have been written while the author was sky high!

and wasnt Unix written by a load of spaced out students??

Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by The DoN> so its ok to take drugs if your a musician and come up with that killer hook or chorus while you are "in the zone" which edges you that record contract over your peers who may be wracking their brains yet suffering from writers block yet refuse to do drugs because of moralistic issues???> > Dont get me wrong, I don't agree with what im writing here! but im trying to draw some parallels between the two situations - if indeed there are any to be drawn..?

I don't think there's a parallel. If people are anti-drugs, they're anti-drugs full stop. Surely?

I can't see any situation where you can say it's okay on one hand for a rock star to take cocaine, but it's not okay for a professional footballer to do so. You makes your bed, you lie in it.

Al, your arguing with yourself!!

are you on drugs?!!?

Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by Hank Wiseass© So following that logic, if you were to spend 4 grand following your team up and down the contry and across Europe all season and they missed out to a team who tested positive for banned substances, you wouldn't be arsed because you like to dabble yourself?

I'm presuming that has never actually happened? From memory, although someone who can be arsed can google this, I thought Maradona was kicked out of the 94 World Cup for imbibing all sorts of drugs (and not just recreational). So, yes, as an Argie I'd have been well fuct off with him. However, he wasn't caught in 86 and he wasn't caught in 1990. If, indeed, there was actually anything to catch him on (we can presume he got heavily involved in drugs during his year off at Barca, or almost certainly at Napoli but not sure anyone really knows ... I guess tests weren't so stringent in those days?).

Anyways, I didn't think this was the ongoing theme of the thread - people appear to think Maradona was a cheat, not just because he punched (at 5ft6) a ball over a keeper's head but because he entertained himself recreationally in ways which some people don't appreciate. Personally, I don't think he scored the second goal against England cos he'd just shoved half of Bolivia up half-time, I think he did it because he was a truly world-class footballer. And if Lineker had punched (with his fist) Barnes's cross into the roof of the net in the dying minutes instead of letting the defender nick it off his head at the last gasp I for one would've cheered with the best of them and would still be putting it down, even now, as just 'one of those things' that happens in football, eighteen years later. I certainly wouldn't be shouting 'cheat' at our Gary every time his big ears popped up on my telly. But then I don't with Maradona either. Best player I've ever witnessed in my lifetime.

Wales are currently appealing against their expulsion at the hands of a team who had a player test positive for banned drugs.

It's a seperate issue as to wether recreational drugs that are banned have any performance enhancing aspects but I suggested the possibility that he might have been on steroids in 86. His physique was certainly pumped up, as you say tests were a lot less stringent at the time.

Originally posted by ShugZV© But what about Debbie Harry?Anyone?

It was Pepsi not Coke.

Dead isn't she? Aren't C4 doing a thing were they're gonna show stuff she tried to ban?

Though I'm brazilian, I'm a fan of Maradona as a player. You cannot don't be one. I remember I bought a Napoli shirt when I was 11, just because of him - not because of Careca or Alemão, those Dumbass

And since when cocaine increases somone performance in sports?

Well i have never been averse to the odd recreational classes, as ShugZV will vouch for during that famous "avatar night"

However i think physical ability and mental ability are totally different things to compare,

Sport has a hypocritical side surely? is there drug testing in wrestling? weightlifting? bodybuilding?

Originally posted by ShugZV© > Originally posted by The DoN> Well i have never been averse to the odd recreational classes, as ShugZV will vouch for during that famous "avatar night"

No idea what yer talking about Bruv As for Maradona's physique - he was always a stocky bugger was he not?

Well that is hardly surprising seeing as you left me for dust!!

We're not gonna get an agreement on much of this, the way it is panning out.

Ask any clean competitor what they think about people who attempt to gain an unfair advantage by taking performance-enhancing drugs, and you will get the same answer. Those same people wouldn't necessarily react the same way when asked about rock stars and their drug habits. It's the fact that those who compete believe that all who compete should do so fairly, a view that I also subscribe to. I don't care what drugs musicians take to enhance their creativity or just because they can, that is immaterial, and is not the same thing at all. It is perfectly possible to be anti-sport drugs and ambivalent to recreational drugs.

Originally posted by ShugZV© Left with dust cos we did all the Charlie.....that IS what you mean int it Bruv?

Any kids reading - Don't Do It.....unless you like drinking straight Aftershock's at 8 in the morning. Has anyone got a video of Maradona's best displays and goals? THAT would make some video. He was nearly as good as Jinky was Diego

I am saying nothing bruv ;)

Remember kids....

dont do drugs, dont smoke, dont drink, dont eat fatty, sugary foods, dont under exercise, dont over exercise, dont get stressed, dont enjoy yourself too much in case you get disappointed dont go outside in case you get hurt dont stay inside in case you have a household accident dont mix with other people in case you catch germs dont stay on your own in case you die of boredom.

just dont ok!!!

But do carry on listening to NO / JD.

agreed, but the thought of listening to neworder without a is a frightening prospect!

Originally posted by The DoN agreed, but the thought of listening to neworder without a is a frightening prospect!

Good one DoN.

well i gotta agree with almanso on this one,name a pro player that hasnt cheated or resorted to subtefuge to get a win. im english and was as gutted as anyone when maradonna did that infamous handball incedent and the goal stood. but thats the game of football innit,just last night watching chelsea v monaco a monaco player tapps makelele on his head and he fell to the floor like hed been hit with a baseballbat hence the monaco player gets sent off???. sickening for a monaco fan sure but if it was the other way around theyd all be cheering. as for maradonna and the drugs and being an example to kids ect who gives a shit,we (the parents) should be the prime examples to our kids not a sports star. although maradonna has had his drug problems and been involved in a few dodgy situations on and off the pitch his talent was unquestionable and hes brought pleasure to millions and i hope he gets well soon.

England player who didn't cheat: Peter Beardsley.

we have several similar examples in the uk,gascoine and best being the most memorable i suppose ie: love or hate em. but as for hank putting beardsleys name forward as being an honest player,why was his nickname BENTface

Friday, April 23, 2004

Former star still in ICU

Associated Press

BUENOS AIRES, Argentina -- Diego Maradona was taken off a respirator Friday but remained in intensive care for a sixth consecutive day with severe heart and lung problems. The medical team treating the 43-year-old soccer great said it suspended use of a breathing tube at midday, replacing the tube with a plastic mask to provide Maradona with oxygen support.

The team also said in a statement that Maradona would continue to get treatment for the underlying heart inflammation and lung infection that brought on his latest health crisis.

"The respirator was suspended. He continues to make progress,' the statement said.

Maradona's steadfast fans continued their vigil by burning candles, chanting his name and waving banners outside the downtown Buenos Aires clinic.

"If you're heart gets healthy, so will mine!' one new banner said.

Maradona, who led Argentina to the 1986 World Cup title, was admitted to the Suizo-Argentina Clinic on Sunday because of chest pains.

Authorities said the emergency hospitalization was not drug-related. Maradona has been undergoing drug rehabilitation in Cuba for cocaine abuse.

Maradona was suspended from the Italian league while playing for Napoli in 1991 for 15 months following a positive test for cocaine.

Three years later, FIFA suspended him for 15 months because of a positive test at the World Cup in the United States. He retired from pro soccer in 1997.

Originally posted by almanso to be healthy he must get clean of everything he takes and i don´t believe he´ll do it.

Yeah, it's hard for him not watching the Argentine Championship

Fat Junkie, he's a twat like Shaun Ryder.

Johan Cruyff for me SUBLIME

2 stripes or for the Fat Cheating Junkie 2 lines of Coke

The subject is pretty much covered, i agree with some posts 100%, 0% with others, and with the rest somewhere in between. I could write my longest post for Diego, but i ll just say a couple of things: We say for many great players that they were/are "gods". Always exagerating of course, cos all are human, well Maradona was the one that the exageration was the less far from actual reality. Never before, ONE player achieved so much in his club or national team career having such few help from his team mates. Napoli was a second class team before him and it became again after him. The argentinian team of 1986 wasn't at all what u' d call "an impressive bunch of football players", not to mention the '90 team, prolly the worst argentina ever had, which team Maradona took by the hand and almost gave them their second (consecutive) world cup. By the way, im sure you all remember how they lost that final against Germany (that laughable referre's penalty desicion, minutes before the end). Not too fair as well, eh? As for the drug and playing performance issue, im covered by most of the posts regarding the subject. If it was so easy to take a couple of pills and win numerous games by yourself, then we 'd had many many more Maradonas, not just one... Unless of course every footbaler is a drug addict, and he was just the best of all drug addicts . As for me, i ll always feel lucky that i had the chance to see him playing live in my city back in 1988 with Napoli, against a local team (PAOK) for the UEFA cup and how he managed to earn the the respect admiration even of PAOK's worst hooligans in the end, both with his playing skills and his character. I wish him the best.

and again

Maradona