hands up, who likes dub?

Ok. I've noticed an almost complete lack of support/mentions of reggae and dub music at NOOL. A few people mention some good titles but who here listens to more than just Bob Marley and King Tubby? Anyone into UK/Steppers stuff like Jah Warrior/Iration Steppers/Zion Train? Anyone into Prince Far I's work with Adrian Sherwood? Scientist, Hugh Mundell, Wackies, Pablo etc?

Anyone notice how a lot of indie/electronic crossover stuff is an obvious combination of New Order's Movement and Scientist/Lee Perry productions?

Rub a dub dub...

Originally posted by Tristan Jayol Rub a dub dub...

Three sheep in a tub. Or, are those frogs?

Massive Attacks "No Protection" had some good dubs,but other than that i cant stand it.

I don't listen to dub/reggae, but I used to listen to a lot of ska in my younger youth. Mostly 2 Tone stuff from Britain, but also some first wave stuff from Jamaica. It's good chill-out music.

...funny, the thread, because I'm in the thinking to realize a fan-compilation for myself: NEW ORDER 'dub'...

...a cover is made, but the selection of the songs hasn't finished yet...

The Saviour

Originally posted by Biznotic Love Trapezoid Ok. I've noticed an almost complete lack of support/mentions of reggae and dub music at NOOL. A few people mention some good titles but who here listens to more than just Bob Marley and King Tubby? Anyone into UK/Steppers stuff like Jah Warrior/Iration Steppers/Zion Train? Anyone into Prince Far I's work with Adrian Sherwood? Scientist, Hugh Mundell, Wackies, Pablo etc?Anyone notice how a lot of indie/electronic crossover stuff is an obvious combination of New Order's Movement and Scientist/Lee Perry productions?

You know I like the On-U sound stuff a lot, Songs Of Praise by African Head Charge is a classic album, but one of the problems in this area is that there is usually so much stuff out there being reissued that it's a bit hard to know where to start. That's why I really liked what the Beastie Boys did with that Grand Royal magazine feature they had on Scratch Perry back when, an educated guide to what's hot and what's duff amongst the product.

Luckily, there's a good record store within a half hour's drive that carries a good selection of the stuff (House Of Records in Eugene, when I go to Portland, it's more of an all day trip, it's about 75 miles away). I pick up whatever looks good, last week it was an album by Prince Jammy and Johnny Osbourne. King Tubby is well known, of course, and there are a number of excellent comps out with his work.

Haven't been let down by anything on the Blood And Fire label as far as reissues of crucial stuff, I know that's Adrian Sherwood's label.

Found a 10" a few years ago on US Okeh/CBS by Little Axe, which is basically Skip McDonald and Tackhead being produced by Sherwood for an "ambient dub blues" project, which is a cool record.

Also, I know that Dennis Bovell used to work with a number of post punk acts back in the day, which is why I like The Pop Group so much, he even did some stuff with The Boomtown Rats.

The Tougher Than Tough box set on Island is a great buy as well, I love some of those reissues that they've done as well, like the Leslie "King" Kong compilation, The Melodians tracks for him, and that series they had for their 40th anniversary.

Now that this topic has been brought up Brian, I'm gonna listen to Heart Of The Congos (Blood And Fire reissue) on my way to Eugene today, down along High 5.

i knew i could count on you to have some taste Allan. I'll recommend a couple classics for you to check out next time you're in the mood for a dub/reggae classic.

Hugh Mundell - Africa Must Be Free by 1983

Amazingly, Hugh wrote the lyrics to this album when he was just 16years old. Augustus Pablo produced the album and then put out his own African Dub LP of typically blissful dubs from Africa Must Be Free. They are both available on one CD for a lesson in Jamaican culture and a defintion of Dub music after listening to the vocal versions.

Rhythm & Sound - w/ The Artists

Two German guys (Basic Channel) team up with several different vocalists to create the most amazing modern dub experience. I cannot recommend this enough.

Prince Far I - Dubwise/Cry Tuff Dub Encounter 1, Cry Tuff Dub Encounter 2

All three are produced by Adrian Sherwood in London (79-81) and they straddle the line between traditional Roots Reggae and the more digital sound preferred by Mad Professor, Jah Shaka and Scientist. Some mind blowing moments on each of these discs.

Big fan of dub. Particularly "Pick A Dub" by Keith Hudson and perhaps predictably "King Tubbys Meets Rockers Uptown". I also love The Upsetters "Super Ape" (dub production and sound techniques, if not strictly a dub record). Must get those three African Dub Chapter CDs you mentioned - they don't seem to have had a UK release, so I'll have to order them.

I love ska and rocksteady too, but I can't be doing with dancehall.

Geez, I can recall when that Hugh Mundell album was released, the reviews at the time were also blown away by it. Too bad Hugh died so soon after its release.

Also, forgot to mention that one of the men behind the Blood And Fire label, Steve Barrow, along with Peter Dalton, have written a great Rough Guide To Reggae book that is very informative about the entire history of music from JA.

I am also a HUGE fan of reggae/dub, particularly mid/late 70's dub, rocksteady 66-68-ish, UK lovers rock mid/late 70s and Studio One stuff.

I second the recommendations that have been made here.

Rough Guide is very good (way better than RG to Rock). another really brillinat book, on JA music from mento to dancehall is "Bass Culture" (can't remember author's name, can't be arsed to go downstairs to look on the bookcase!). One of thise books that's guaranteed to make you want to hear more of the music.

There are two editons of the Rough Guide, the latter one came out in 2001 with Marley on the top photo and the title of book on a green background. I've got both issues, but the latter one is far better.

Live Clash post-Sandanista , well into dub , Mikey Dread on the desk Went to see a few of the Notting Hill sound systems a few years ago , fella called Yellowman almost shattered me ribcage in a bass stylee. Got into Lee ' scratch ' Perry , via the Clash too , Dub Uhuru ,Black Uhuru also via the Clash , and then the Moss Side collective via some of the Manchester Russell Club / Hacienda lads and lasses. Gotta say seldom play at home , 'cept Black Uhuru and the dub version of Black Market Clash , though in summertime it's pretty much an essential part of the late afternoon /twilight weekend , lets folk kick back in a manner conducive to the herb

Current picks :

Augustus Pablo - In Fine Style (Pressure Sounds) : A compilation of Rockers sides and dubs from around 75-79. Includes the awesome Jah Levi (Hugh Mundell's) - False Rumour and some wicked dubs on the Far East Rhythm.

King Tubby - Dub Like Dirt (Blood and Fire). Actually it's not all Tubby's work, the likes of Price Jammy and Philip Smart did some of the mixes in Tubby's studio, but what the heck - this is fantastic stuff.

Lee Scratch Perry - Dub Tryptych (Trojan) For a tenner you get a 2 CD package of 3 early/mid 70s Perry albums : Cloak and Dagger, the long unavailable Blackboard Jungle 14 Dub and Revolution Dub. The first one is the best - not all strictly Dub, but instead a series of organ-led instrumentals (Winston Wright) and Tommy McCook horn tracks.

V/A - Ranking Miss P presents Sweet Harmony.(Trojan) 40 cuts of vocal/harmony rocksteady/roots/lovers etc from 3 decades Absolutely the best compilation of its kind ever. Includes Matumbi, Wailing Souls, D.Dekker (the unbelievable 'Intensified') , Toots and The Maytals (Time Tough) etc etc. Magnificent.

If anyone's looking to get into dub, the Trojan 2Cd set 'Flashing Echo' is a good place to start, and goes chronologically from the early days of Andy Capp, The Hippy Boys, Scratch et al to the early 80s sounds of Scientist, The Roots Radics etc.

Or if you're skint try Pressure Sounds comp 'X-Ray Music', whihc has 16 beautifully remastered tracks from all the usuual suspects for a fiver.

The Scratch triple CD sounds excellent - I must find a copy. Along with the three African Dub Chapter CDs that should keep me happy for a while.

And Gary, what's the dub version of Black Market Clash? Sounds really interesting...

Originally posted by death of art The Scratch triple CD sounds excellent - I must find a copy. Along with the three African Dub Chapter CDs that should keep me happy for a while.And Gary, what's the dub version of Black Market Clash? Sounds really interesting...

At the risk of namedropping on our kids behalf , it's a white label by Don Letts ( filmaker , ex BAD ) , it's pretty much the old ten inch single , but has a long dub version of Armagiddeon Time on it , Don gave it him when our kid was on the B.A.D Upping street ( I think ) tour , he also gave him some outtakes of Junco Partner , which Strummer had dubbed up a bit .

There's quite a lot of dub Clash available , I would imagine , though our kid regards the stuff he owns as way too personal , especialy the Strummer stuff , to sell or whatever .

I'm seeing him tonight at the Mick Jones gig in Manchester , I'll ask him about some other dub stuff , though a lot of it was soundcheck stuff , if he's got any recommended links / tracksI'll mail them to you .

Oh and Dub Tryptych is excellent

And for a hint of Dub Clash , see the Sandanista ! , triple album , I got it only on vinyl , so I dont know if the cd has the full tracklisting , it should have, anyway bit of dub to be found

Armagideon Time is one of their best. There's a great story that they decided before recording it that it had to be a certain length. When it got to the time, Kosmo Vinyl comes over the studio intercom that the time is up and Joe snaps "okay, okay. Don't push us when we're HOT!": fantastic. I always hoped that was a true story, 'cos it's great.

Any other tracks, links, etc, always gratefully received my friend.