Another beheading

If those criminals had any balls they would have gone to Israel and fought there instead of committing the cowardly act of kidnapping and beheading an innocent man.

Prayers to his family and friends.

the saudi al-qaeda members are trying to foster an atmosphere of fear, and it's working. americans are leaving the country in droves.

im going to come back to this thread on monday. i think all angles are covered thus far to gear up for some serious mud slingings!

Originally posted by Spotnick Oh well, with the US policy of never negociate with terrorists, I wonder why they even try.Stupid, but what you can do about it. Even if I don't believe in the death penalty for a crime, I'm kind of happy they got one...Sure thing is, now if anyone gets caught, they will do all they can and don't cooperate with the terrorists... just like if they hijack a plane, nobody would ever cooperate again!

al-qaeda never planned on releasing johnson anyway; he was doomed from the moment he was captured. the 48-hour 'ultimatum' was an excuse to make the kidnapping appear more legitimate and build up media interest in the suspense surrounding the countdown. al-qaeda aren't in the business of making deals; it simply doesn't fit into their modus operandi.

well they say that two heads are better than one,but seriously this is just the latest terror tactic to come out of islamic fundamentalism,sure we get a count down,will they wont they atmosphere and fuckin hell u can watch it LIVE on the web. bit like a shuttle launch really,will it wont it ect. my point is that the more they do this the more the yawn factor grows,i personally am not as shocked this time than the first and i suspect many others feel the same. i think its a damning inditement on manking when we have to think up more bizzare ways of killing each other to keep interest in any cause. what next eh,will it get like that daffy duck cartoon where that big arab guy chases daffy around with a big fuck off sword screaming HASSAN CHOP?. at least they plugged the twats that did this.

I am impressed that there have not been any mosque bombings/vandalism or any rednecks pulling a Mathew Shepard on an innocent Arab/Islamic person.

Originally posted by twist I am impressed that there have not been any mosque bombings/vandalism or any rednecks pulling a Mathew Shepard on an innocent Arab/Islamic person.

give it time...

Should have happened already. But then again, its not a sport's championship.

Now I see that a South Korean is next in line to be hacked.

I'm pretty much of the mind that those "people" would've still killed their hostages no matter what the US or SK would've done, which I imagine would always be not nearly enough in their view.

Originally posted by AgentWood > Originally posted by twist> I am impressed that there have not been any mosque bombings/vandalism or any rednecks pulling a Mathew Shepard on an innocent Arab/Islamic person.

give it time...

Give what time? Do you think people will become bent enough over a couple of guys getting their heads chopped off to brutally murder Arab/Islamic innocents in mass numbers. Come on, it would take something like, oh, I don't know.....flying airliners into buildings to cause the average Arab/Islamic person fear for their safety. Oh, that's right, it did happen. And guess what? No mosques burned to the ground. Arab/Islamic folks were not rounded up and lynched.

Gee, I guess the average American isn't the unthinking reactionary everyone else makes us out to be.

Originally posted by Michael McDermott > Originally posted by AgentWood> > > > Originally posted by twist> > I am impressed that there have not been any mosque bombings/vandalism or any rednecks pulling a Mathew Shepard on an innocent Arab/Islamic person.>

give it time...

Give what time? Do you think people will become bent enough over a couple of guys getting their heads chopped off to brutally murder Arab/Islamic innocents in mass numbers. Come on, it would take something like, oh, I don't know.....flying airliners into buildings to cause the average Arab/Islamic person fear for their safety. Oh, that's right, it did happen. And guess what? No mosques burned to the ground. Arab/Islamic folks were not rounded up and lynched.

Gee, I guess the average American isn't the unthinking reactionary everyone else makes us out to be. Yes, you're right. Our illustrious President is hardly the average American.

Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope > Originally posted by Michael McDermott> > > > Originally posted by AgentWood> > > > > > > Originally posted by twist> > > I am impressed that there have not been any mosque bombings/vandalism or any rednecks pulling a Mathew Shepard on an innocent Arab/Islamic person.> > >

give it time...

Give what time? Do you think people will become bent enough over a couple of guys getting their heads chopped off to brutally murder Arab/Islamic innocents in mass numbers. Come on, it would take something like, oh, I don't know.....flying airliners into buildings to cause the average Arab/Islamic person fear for their safety. Oh, that's right, it did happen. And guess what? No mosques burned to the ground. Arab/Islamic folks were not rounded up and lynched.

Gee, I guess the average American isn't the unthinking reactionary everyone else makes us out to be. Yes, you're right. Our illustrious President is hardly the average American.

So, you don't think wasting 14 months in the UN before taking action would disqualify the President from reactionary status?

Originally posted by Michael McDermott Give what time? Do you think people will become bent enough over a couple of guys getting their heads chopped off to brutally murder Arab/Islamic innocents in mass numbers. Come on, it would take something like, oh, I don't know.....flying airliners into buildings to cause the average Arab/Islamic person fear for their safety. Oh, that's right, it did happen. And guess what? No mosques burned to the ground. Arab/Islamic folks were not rounded up and lynched.Gee, I guess the average American isn't the unthinking reactionary everyone else makes us out to be.

so , i guess the sharp rise in hate crimes against arab-americans after september 11 doesn't matter then, michael? (who said anything about killing arab-americans in 'mass numbers'? it doesn't take another kristallnacht to constitute reactionary behavior!)

actually, a church was burned to the ground, in california--with a predominantly arab-american congregation. perhaps no mosques were burned to the ground, but a man in ohio drove his car through a mosque at 80 mph and another in dallas shot out the windows of a neighborhood mosque. in washington state, arsonists set fire to a mosque, but it was put out before it did much damage. also in washington, a man covered a car with gasoline in the parking lot of a mosque and tried to shoot a worshipper who attempted to stop him from lighting the gasoline. the arsonist was captured before he did any damage. throughout the country, dozens of mosques were vandalized after september 11. in chicago, police stopped 300 teenagers from marching on a mosque in a suburban neighborhood. an islamic school was burned to the ground in kentucky. two sikh temples in new york were set on fire (the arsonists thought that because sikhs wear turbans, they must be muslim).

restaurants belonging to arab-americans (or those mistaken for them) were burned and blown up (the latter in anaheim, CA). dozens of islamic schools suspended classes for several weeks after receiving threatening phone calls, blaming them for 9/11.

a pakistani and afghan (neither of which are arabs, but as you and i have had this conversation before, most americans aren't aware of that) were burned to death in indianapolis and new jersey, respectively.

a muslim boy at the school i work at had his head shoved in a toilet by a group of boys who called him a 'towel-head' and 'bin laden.'

this is just the tip of the iceberg, michael: these all happened within the first few months after september 11. boy, wouldn't it be dandy if your statement were actually true?

AgentWood, you make me swoon.

Originally posted by bLuE oRdEr AgentWood, you make me swoon.

ta.

if you're stupid enough to be a non-arab in the arab world right now, you deserve to lose your head. you're certainly not using it!

Originally posted by AgentWood > Originally posted by Michael McDermott> > Give what time? Do you think people will become bent enough over a couple of guys getting their heads chopped off to brutally murder Arab/Islamic innocents in mass numbers. Come on, it would take something like, oh, I don't know.....flying airliners into buildings to cause the average Arab/Islamic person fear for their safety. Oh, that's right, it did happen. And guess what? No mosques burned to the ground. Arab/Islamic folks were not rounded up and lynched.> > Gee, I guess the average American isn't the unthinking reactionary everyone else makes us out to be.

so , i guess the sharp rise in hate crimes against arab-americans after september 11 doesn't matter then, michael? (who said anything about killing arab-americans in 'mass numbers'? it doesn't take another kristallnacht to constitute reactionary behavior!)

actually, a church was burned to the ground, in california--with a predominantly arab-american congregation. perhaps no mosques were burned to the ground, but a man in ohio drove his car through a mosque at 80 mph and another in dallas shot out the windows of a neighborhood mosque. in washington state, arsonists set fire to a mosque, but it was put out before it did much damage. also in washington, a man covered a car with gasoline in the parking lot of a mosque and tried to shoot a worshipper who attempted to stop him from lighting the gasoline. the arsonist was captured before he did any damage. throughout the country, dozens of mosques were vandalized after september 11. in chicago, police stopped 300 teenagers from marching on a mosque in a suburban neighborhood. an islamic school was burned to the ground in kentucky. two sikh temples in new york were set on fire (the arsonists thought that because sikhs wear turbans, they must be muslim).

restaurants belonging to arab-americans (or those mistaken for them) were burned and blown up (the latter in anaheim, CA). dozens of islamic schools suspended classes for several weeks after receiving threatening phone calls, blaming them for 9/11.

a pakistani and afghan (neither of which are arabs, but as you and i have had this conversation before, most americans aren't aware of that) were burned to death in indianapolis and new jersey, respectively.

a muslim boy at the school i work at had his head shoved in a toilet by a group of boys who called him a 'towel-head' and 'bin laden.'

this is just the tip of the iceberg, michael: these all happened within the first few months after september 11. boy, wouldn't it be dandy if your statement were actually true?

I agree that each situation you describe is abhorent and tragic. However, in a country of 280 million people, they seem somewhat anecdotal and isolated. The steets of the country did not flow with Arab/Islamic blood.

So, I'll go ahead and claim some "dandiness" for my previous statement. :D

Originally posted by Michael McDermott I agree that each situation you describe is abhorent and tragic. However, in a country of 280 million people, they seem somewhat anecdotal and isolated. The steets of the country did not flow with Arab/Islamic blood.So, I'll go ahead and claim some "dandiness" for my previous statement. :D

one question: who posted anything on this thread about 'the streets of the country [flowing] with arab/islamic blood'? i believe the original post referred to a possible burning down of a mosque, or a matthew shepard-type hate crime in retaliation for the beheadings in saudi and iraq. these things happened after sept. 11, and several letters posted outside nick berg's and paul johnson's family homes suggested that anger towards arabs and muslims is again increasing. so, michael, from where are you getting this 'streets filled with blood' idea?

Originally posted by AgentWood > Originally posted by Michael McDermott> > I agree that each situation you describe is abhorent and tragic. However, in a country of 280 million people, they seem somewhat anecdotal and isolated. The steets of the country did not flow with Arab/Islamic blood.> > So, I'll go ahead and claim some "dandiness" for my previous statement. :D

one question: who posted anything on this thread about 'the streets of the country [flowing] with arab/islamic blood'? i believe the original post referred to a possible burning down of a mosque, or a matthew shepard-type hate crime in retaliation for the beheadings in saudi and iraq. these things happened after sept. 11, and several letters posted outside nick berg's and paul johnson's family homes suggested that anger towards arabs and muslims is again increasing. so, michael, from where are you getting this 'streets filled with blood' idea? Wishful thinking?

BTW, i don't think a seventeen-fold increase in hate crimes against muslims (28 to 481) in one year (2000 to 2001), as reported by the FBI, makes these crimes 'anecdotal and isolated!'

Originally posted by AgentWood BTW, i don't think a seventeen-fold increase in hate crimes against muslims (28 to 481) in one year (2000 to 2001), as reported by the FBI, makes these crimes 'anecdotal and isolated!'

Considering what happened, it certainly does. Moreover, let's be careful when we toss around the phrase "hate crime". It's so subjecive as to border on the ridiculous. It's the next step to thought crime.

Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope > Originally posted by AgentWood> > > > Originally posted by Michael McDermott> > > > I agree that each situation you describe is abhorent and tragic. However, in a country of 280 million people, they seem somewhat anecdotal and isolated. The steets of the country did not flow with Arab/Islamic blood.> > > > So, I'll go ahead and claim some "dandiness" for my previous statement. :D>

one question: who posted anything on this thread about 'the streets of the country [flowing] with arab/islamic blood'? i believe the original post referred to a possible burning down of a mosque, or a matthew shepard-type hate crime in retaliation for the beheadings in saudi and iraq. these things happened after sept. 11, and several letters posted outside nick berg's and paul johnson's family homes suggested that anger towards arabs and muslims is again increasing. so, michael, from where are you getting this 'streets filled with blood' idea? Wishful thinking?

Drat!! How did you know!?!?!

Originally posted by Michael McDermott > Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope> > > > Originally posted by AgentWood> > > > > > > Originally posted by Michael McDermott> > > > > > I agree that each situation you describe is abhorent and tragic. However, in a country of 280 million people, they seem somewhat anecdotal and isolated. The steets of the country did not flow with Arab/Islamic blood.> > > > > > So, I'll go ahead and claim some "dandiness" for my previous statement. :D> > >

one question: who posted anything on this thread about 'the streets of the country [flowing] with arab/islamic blood'? i believe the original post referred to a possible burning down of a mosque, or a matthew shepard-type hate crime in retaliation for the beheadings in saudi and iraq. these things happened after sept. 11, and several letters posted outside nick berg's and paul johnson's family homes suggested that anger towards arabs and muslims is again increasing. so, michael, from where are you getting this 'streets filled with blood' idea? Wishful thinking?

Drat!! How did you know!?!?! My mother was raped by a psychic.

Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope > Originally posted by Michael McDermott> > > > Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope> > > > > > > Originally posted by AgentWood> > > > > > > > > > Originally posted by Michael McDermott> > > > > > > > I agree that each situation you describe is abhorent and tragic. However, in a country of 280 million people, they seem somewhat anecdotal and isolated. The steets of the country did not flow with Arab/Islamic blood.> > > > > > > > So, I'll go ahead and claim some "dandiness" for my previous statement. :D> > > > > >

one question: who posted anything on this thread about 'the streets of the country [flowing] with arab/islamic blood'? i believe the original post referred to a possible burning down of a mosque, or a matthew shepard-type hate crime in retaliation for the beheadings in saudi and iraq. these things happened after sept. 11, and several letters posted outside nick berg's and paul johnson's family homes suggested that anger towards arabs and muslims is again increasing. so, michael, from where are you getting this 'streets filled with blood' idea? Wishful thinking?

Drat!! How did you know!?!?! My mother was raped by a psychic.

I see....... (backing slowly away from the keyboard)

Originally posted by Michael McDermott > Originally posted by AgentWood> BTW, i don't think a seventeen-fold increase in hate crimes against muslims (28 to 481) in one year (2000 to 2001), as reported by the FBI, makes these crimes 'anecdotal and isolated!'

Considering what happened, it certainly does. Moreover, let's be careful when we toss around the phrase "hate crime". It's so subjecive as to border on the ridiculous. It's the next step to thought crime.

it does? wow. you just justified every attack on westerners in iraq and saudi arabia with that statement. the occasional beheading is pretty 'anecdotal and isolated' when you think about american planes bombing wedding parties!

and, yes, hate crimes are often difficult to judge. however, killing an arab-american and then telling the authorities it was in retribution for 9/11, or telling someone to go back to their country and then running them over with a car are pretty clear!

Originally posted by AgentWood > Originally posted by Michael McDermott> > > > Originally posted by AgentWood> > BTW, i don't think a seventeen-fold increase in hate crimes against muslims (28 to 481) in one year (2000 to 2001), as reported by the FBI, makes these crimes 'anecdotal and isolated!'>

Considering what happened, it certainly does. Moreover, let's be careful when we toss around the phrase "hate crime". It's so subjecive as to border on the ridiculous. It's the next step to thought crime.

it does? wow. you just justified every attack on westerners in iraq and saudi arabia with that statement. the occasional beheading is pretty 'anecdotal and isolated' when you think about american planes bombing wedding parties!

and, yes, hate crimes are often difficult to judge. however, killing an arab-american and then telling the authorities it was in retribution for 9/11, or telling someone to go back to their country and then running them over with a car are pretty clear!

Hold on to your john kerry hat! I'm going to agree with you. It is ancedotal and isolated that only 3 (counting Daniel Pearl) Americans and 1 South Korean have had thier heads removed from their bodies. And, this just in! I'll agree with BLT that it's a scary time to be a non-Muslim in Iraq, Saudi, et al. The risk/reward ratio is definitely skewed toward risk.