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Originally posted by Server Error in "/" Application Don't know how Kerry would lead economics, religion, or whatever. But be sure that's is much more problable you'll have problems with terrorism with Bush still on power then if anyone else was there. Now the terrorism will be lead against America AND Bush. (Though I think the problem has ALWAYS been Bush - did you have terrorism problems during Clinton's governament?)

The problem started with Clinton! WTC in 93, USS Cole, US embassies in Tanzania...

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The problem started with Clinton! WTC in 93, USS Cole, US embassies in Tanzania...

Perhaps Osamas mind had already been made up after serving as a CIA lackey against the Soviets in Afghanistan, this war was waged while a Republican administration was in office.

Originally posted by Pizda )

The problem started with Clinton! WTC in 93, USS Cole, US embassies in Tanzania...

Perhaps Osamas mind had already been made up after serving as a CIA lackey against the Soviets in Afghanistan, this war was waged while a Republican administration was in office.

The Afghan invasion started with Carter who was in office until January 1981, so helping the Afghans I don't think was an entire Republican idea.

I think you will find Bin Ladens and the CIA's direct involvement dates from the mid 80's.True or not the majority of the war was fought while a republican government was in power in the US or are you suggesting that his deep seated hatred for America is really a loathing for peanut farmers?

The CIA supporting the mujahideen is a tough subject to debate. The US helped foster an upsurge of radical Muslims, but the war is considered to be the turning point of the Cold War. Now what the CIA did during Republican administrations may be questionable, but they did serve a greater purpose. What Clinton (who severely cut our intel resources and created the wall between the CIA and FBI) was able to accomplish against Bin Laden in eight years was a joke. Al Qaeda attempted to destroy the WTC in 1993, our embassies were attacked, our ships, and al Qaeda even had slight ties to Terry Nichols who helped in the Oklahoma City Bombing.

The greater purpose being? The Soviet Union was on it's own road to implosion, perhaps it would have taken a little longer but the outcome was forseeable. The outcome with Bin Laden was not however. You reap what you sow.

Originally posted by Pizda The greater purpose being? The Soviet Union was on it's own road to implosion, perhaps it would have taken a little longer but the outcome was forseeable. The outcome with Bin Laden was not however. You reap what you sow.

Expediting a situation in which nuclear war could have started IMO was more important than sowing the seeds of terrorism which could have been stopped with a more competent administration 1993-2001.

I distinctly remember living under the nuclear threat in the eighties and it was at it's height in the early part of the decade. The inter agency problems between the FBI and CIA did not start with the Clinton era, I seriously doubt anyone could have stopped the terrorist threat that escalated in this time. You now have an infinately more likely nuclear threat and no enemy to pinpoint other than by name.

Originally posted by Pizda I distinctly remember living under the nuclear threat in the eighties and it was at it's height in the early part of the decade. The inter agency problems between the FBI and CIA did not start with the Clinton era, I seriously doubt anyone could have stopped the terrorist threat that escalated in this time. You now have an infinately more likely nuclear threat and no enemy to pinpoint other than by name.

The nuclear threat was at its height in the early sixties thanks to JFK. The early seventies saw a decline of the threat with SALT I thanks to Nixon. Yes Carter's administration did help with SALT II. Reagan did bring nuclear worries back into the minds of everyone with the talks of SDI, but was there an actual increase in the threats? The FBI/CIA faults that seem to have allowed 9/11 to happen sprung up during Clinton.

Oh well, the better campaign won, and we'll see in the near future how Bush will fare. Off to the shower after seeing the twins.

Have the Cocteau Twins reformed then ?

The WTC attack was planned under Clinton's watch. Clinton had a chance to bust him in Sudan but did not take the offer.

Originally posted by Digital Mike Binoche Have the Cocteau Twins reformed then ?

Yes.But only because it's a republican administration and only good things happen under those!

I cant help thinking that Bush winning could be thr right decision-if he`s caused so much trouble with the war,shouldnt he be voted in to sort his own mess out? Also if in 6 months,2 years or whenever they find WMD will he seem so bad?

Originally posted by SPthree I cant help thinking that Bush winning could be thr right decision-if he`s caused so much trouble with the war,shouldnt he be voted in to sort his own mess out? Also if in 6 months,2 years or whenever they find WMD will he seem so bad?

I honestly don't think there are WMD's in Iraq, but I wouldn't be suprised if we found some that were smuggled to Syria. WMD's or not, I believe it was a just war.

Originally posted by SPthree I cant help thinking that Bush winning could be thr right decision-if he`s caused so much trouble with the war,shouldnt he be voted in to sort his own mess out?

Well, at least we can all place the blame where it belongs when his policies finally go belly up. You can run, George Bush, but you can't hide this time. Beady-eyed motherfucker. :finger:

Also if in 6 months,2 years or whenever they find WMD will he seem so bad?

What was your stoner name again?

Is that you, Rodney?

Speaking of California, I see Javert did rather well in the election.

I said (ahem) Inspector Javert did rather well in the California election.

Originally posted by bLuE oRdEr I said (ahem) Inspector Javert did rather well in the California election.

Don't use that comparison, Jean Valjean is one of my favorite characters, :(

A-Hem!! OK..I just gotta get it out because I quite happy at the moment....

Here goes:

"I TOLD YOU SO!!!!"

OK...I just had to get that out. OK, where's the NO/JD stuff at? Oh...there it is.

Originally posted by Tristan > Originally posted by bLuE oRdEr> I said (ahem) Inspector Javert did rather well in the California election.

Don't use that comparison, Jean Valjean is one of my favorite characters, :(

I understand he served 19 years for stealing a loaf of bread.

Originally posted by bLuE oRdEr > Originally posted by SPthree I cant help thinking that Bush winning could be thr right decision-if he`s caused so much trouble with the war,shouldnt he be voted in to sort his own mess out?

Well, at least we can all place the blame where it belongs when his policies finally go belly up. You can run, George Bush, but you can't hide this time. Beady-eyed motherfucker. :finger:

Also if in 6 months,2 years or whenever they find WMD will he seem so bad?

What was your stoner name again?

i`ll take the fifth.

Originally posted by almansonemesis Alejo is sad today. :(i wish this election could only reach the americans because, as someone said "a country deserves the presidents it has". but unfortunately americans rule the destiny of the world with their rifles and granades so we´re all in the same bag. today 52% of the americans decided the future of the world for the next 4 years. isn´t that a shame? i´m sure the great majority of the world would´ve voted against Bush but what can we do about that?so prepare yourself, wherever you are. the target could be any country now. terrorists from both sides will use the world as a great chess board. we´re in the hands of god now..... if he exists!

Why is it that you think America has such sway over the world?

Originally posted by twist The WTC attack was planned under Clinton's watch. Clinton had a chance to bust him in Sudan but did not take the offer.

From memory I do recall that Clinton did brief Bush on the Al Queda threat. I think its in Clinton' autobiography. Although nobody could have forseen what happened.

Now can we get back to discussing the imortant things again Like how great the Cure are, The genius of Blue Monday and if Ceremony is by JD or NO.

Actually is was 27% of AMERICANS as nearly 100 MILLION did not vote!