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23 Aug 2005, 08:47

:evil4: you have to ask ;)

Robertson endorses assassinating Chavez VIRGINIA BEACH, Va., Aug. 23 (UPI) -- U.S. televangelist and conservative Christian Pat Robertson has called for the assassination of left-wing Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.

Speaking on his Christian Broadcasting Network's "The 700 Club," the conservative Robertson claimed Chavez was trying to make Venezuela "a launching pad for Communist infiltration and Muslim extremism all over the continent."

Citing Chavez's close ties with Cuban leader Fidel Castro and Venezuela's significant supply of oil, Robertson said the need for his elimination is justified, CNN said.

"We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one strong-arm dictator," he said. "It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with."

The White House denies trying to kill Chavez though does accuse him of trying to transform Venezuela into a Cuba-style state.

"You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it," said Robertson during a broadcast of The 700 Club.

"We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability."

23 Aug 2005, 08:51

Pat robertson doesnt speak for me.

23 Aug 2005, 09:00

no wonder the rest of the world hates Americans!!!

23 Aug 2005, 09:16

What's next? Will USA invade Norway?

Norway have lots of oil!

23 Aug 2005, 09:24

america should invade alaska.

Remeber people, Mr. Robertson is not a gov't offical.

Dont worry, our military is too thin right now to invade another country.

23 Aug 2005, 09:27

Substance User wrote: america should invade alaska.

i think we've got that one in the bag.

23 Aug 2005, 09:42

Im still up in the Air about Chavez. All seems to be in the process of being put in place in Venezuela though - and He seems to be on the side of his people. His politics are interesting - a sort of locally applied marxism/ long revolution. I heard Richard Gott speak on it, and he put accross some pretty convincing arguments. By the looks of things, the US military are building up quite a presence on the Columbian boarder. Having Fucked up Nicaragua, Cuba, and most of the rest of South America, why stop there. This christian is quite correct though - if they are to "take out" Chavez, it will be done in a subversive way - like they did attempted overthrow of the government 2 years ago which was captured very well by 2 Irish filmmakers.

I look forward to reading Gotts book anyhow. He is a fantastic writer - and knows what he is talking about when it comes to South America.

23 Aug 2005, 10:22

Rian wrote: What's next? Will USA invade Norway?

Norway have lots of oil!

hmmm. now there's an idea....

oil and socialized medicine. what a package!

23 Aug 2005, 10:26

AgentWood wrote:

Rian wrote: What's next? Will USA invade Norway?

Norway have lots of oil!

hmmm. now there's an idea....

oil and socialized medicine. what a package!

Stay away from Sweden though :evil:

23 Aug 2005, 10:31

Rian wrote:

AgentWood wrote:

Rian wrote: What's next? Will USA invade Norway?

Norway have lots of oil!

hmmm. now there's an idea....

oil and socialized medicine. what a package!

Stay away from Sweden though :evil:

no way, man. with all those innovative home furniture designs? sweden WILL be next.

23 Aug 2005, 10:35

Norway and Sweden already invaded the US. It's called Minnesota and Wisconsin. Got to keep them separated so we imported Germans and Irish as a buffer.

23 Aug 2005, 10:43

Next step is probably invading Alberta, it's closer ;)

23 Aug 2005, 10:47

twist wrote: Norway and Sweden already invaded the US. It's called Minnesota and Wisconsin. Got to keep them separated so we imported Germans and Irish as a buffer.

:ohwell:

23 Aug 2005, 11:28

As an American, it's my patriotic duty to call for the assassination of Pat Robertson. :nod:

23 Aug 2005, 11:44

AgentWood wrote:

Rian wrote:

AgentWood wrote:

Rian wrote: What's next? Will USA invade Norway?

Norway have lots of oil!

hmmm. now there's an idea....

oil and socialized medicine. what a package!

Stay away from Sweden though :evil:

no way, man. with all those innovative home furniture designs? sweden WILL be next.

That reminds me. I went to IKEA the other day to see if they had any Ingmar Bergman videos. I bought several of them, but when I got home and took them out of the box, all I saw were some pieces of plasitc shell and a few spools of videotape. Swedish bastards actually wanted me to put together my own videos at home! Luckily they included an allan wrench.

23 Aug 2005, 11:57

His Holiness, The Pope wrote:

AgentWood wrote:

Rian wrote:

AgentWood wrote:

Rian wrote: What's next? Will USA invade Norway?

Norway have lots of oil!

hmmm. now there's an idea....

oil and socialized medicine. what a package!

Stay away from Sweden though :evil:

no way, man. with all those innovative home furniture designs? sweden WILL be next.

That reminds me. I went to IKEA the other day to see if they had any Ingmar Bergman videos. I bought several of them, but when I got home and took them out of the box, all I saw were some pieces of plasitc shell and a few spools of videotape. Swedish bastards actually wanted me to put together my own videos at home! Luckily they included an allan wrench.

:abovelol:

23 Aug 2005, 11:58

That reminds me. I went to IKEA the other day to see if they had any Ingmar Bergman videos

They sell videos at IKEA in the US? :eek3:

(Remember me to read the full post before replying... :nonono: )

23 Aug 2005, 12:48

if the us wants to invade anywhere for oil then they need look no further than my 14yr old daughters face,mind you they would have to remove the current dictator known only as (blackhead), and his evil minions the "zits",this could prove more difficult for the us than they imagine and could well desend into another veitnam for them ,with the locals hiding under the surface only to spring up and attack when they least expect it. im a twat i know.:D

23 Aug 2005, 16:34

To twist the South Park lyrics a bit, invade Canada, it's not even a real country anyway! (JUST KIDDING to our Canadian friends, I do not wish anything untoward our neighbors to the north.:) )

But....... I came across this item about Maria Sharapova yesterday, I guess the photographer found what he was looking for

Maria, Maria....

Before and after banner shots......

Tennis, anyone?

23 Aug 2005, 16:42

If we do invade Canada, it looks like we'll need to send a Mountain Division or two.

Where do I enlist? :D

23 Aug 2005, 17:02

Spotnick wrote: Next step is probably invading Alberta, it's closer ;)

an even better reason: so we can have the world's two largest shopping malls.

23 Aug 2005, 17:08

We've got to invade New Zealand first before we can join you in invading any other countries. Then again NZ should be a walkover, as they have like 3 planes and 3 ships.

23 Aug 2005, 17:11

Ronald Kirsch wrote: We've got to invade New Zealand first before we can join you in invading any other countries. Then again NZ should be a walkover, as they have like 3 planes and 3 ships.

yeah, that's what the US said about vietnam. 10 years later the government was shaking its head saying, 'oh, shit.'

they'll just sick jonah lomu on you and you'll be done for, mate.

23 Aug 2005, 17:16

AgentWood wrote:

Ronald Kirsch wrote: We've got to invade New Zealand first before we can join you in invading any other countries. Then again NZ should be a walkover, as they have like 3 planes and 3 ships.

yeah, that's what the US said about vietnam. 10 years later the government was shaking its head saying, 'oh, shit.'

they'll just sick jonah lomu on you and you'll be done for, mate.

Poor old Jonah won't be much good to them. He has kidney disease and is on dyalisis, so I should be able to take him out with my left hand.

23 Aug 2005, 17:17

question to americans, what is the link between this Robertson character and Bush if there´s any?

i still don´t like Chavez 100% but i admit he made a couple of good decisions. still too "populist" for my liking but he´s closer to what i like than what i don´t like. the problem is that the people is REALLY divided in Venezuela. many ones have too much and many ones haven´t so Chavez is the perfect love/hate figure for venezuelans. notice how "his" half of the people went to the streets to take him back when USA tried to knock him down using the militars and oil impresarios. i respect that.

23 Aug 2005, 17:23

How can a so called Christian avocate having anybody killed.

"Thou shall not kill".

23 Aug 2005, 17:23

Robertson is an evangelical "Christian" leader, and as such, has enormous influence over one of Bush's most important political bases. However, it appears that he's gone too far on this one.

23 Aug 2005, 17:24

Ronald Kirsch wrote: How can a so called Christian avocate having anybody killed.

"Thou shall not kill".

Because like many evangelical "Christians," he's a hypocritical arsehole.

23 Aug 2005, 17:28

If I could do photoshop, I would so be working on making a "Death Wish" poster with Robertson's head superimposed on Charlie Bronson's :evil4:

But I can't... :cry:

23 Aug 2005, 17:29

question to americans, what is the link between this Robertson character and Bush if there´s any?

They both Evagelicals & Republicans who cater to small-minded reglious people. I could go on but I won't cos I get too upset.

I can't believe how stupid most of America is. Next we'll be teaching the earth is flat and not round in public schools. The Evangelicals are attepmting (and succeeding in some cases, Kansas) to stop teaching Evolution and teach Creationism.

A nation of Purtians, indeed.

23 Aug 2005, 17:35

FAC 51 wrote:

question to americans, what is the link between this Robertson character and Bush if there´s any?

They both Evagelicals & Republicans who cater to small-minded reglious people. I could go on but I won't cos I get too upset.

I can't believe how stupid most of America is. Next we'll be teaching the earth is flat and not round in public schools. The Evangelicals are attepmting (and succeeding in some cases, Kansas) to stop teaching Evolution and teach Creationism.

A nation of Purtians, indeed.

I take it you missed this and this then.

23 Aug 2005, 17:47

Ronald Kirsch wrote: How can a so called Christian avocate having anybody killed.

"Thou shall not kill".

weren't there amendments added to that commandment? for example:

if a person perfoms abortions, kill 'em

or

if someone kills another person (or better yet, several), kill 'em

i can't seem to locate these amendments, but i'm sure pat robertson must know where they are. maybe they were written in invisible ink that only the righteous lambs of the lord can see--righteous lambs like pat robertson.

23 Aug 2005, 17:52

AgentWood wrote:

Ronald Kirsch wrote: How can a so called Christian avocate having anybody killed.

"Thou shall not kill".

weren't there amendments added to that commandment? for example:

if a person perfoms abortions, kill 'em

or

if someone kills another person (or better yet, several), kill 'em

i can't seem to locate these amendments, but i'm sure pat robertson must know where they are. maybe they were written in invisible ink that only the righteous lambs of the lord can see--righteous lambs like pat robertson.

I don' think these are officially endorsed amendments. I do remember an eye for an eye, but that is so old testament.

23 Aug 2005, 18:02

Ronald Kirsch wrote: I don' think these are officially endorsed amendments. I do remember an eye for an eye, but that is so old testament.

My thesis (and apologies to Shug, whom I sincerely hope will remain as our beloved moderator):

"Christians" are not Christians; they're "Paulians."

23 Aug 2005, 18:15

bLuE oRdEr wrote:

Ronald Kirsch wrote: I don' think these are officially endorsed amendments. I do remember an eye for an eye, but that is so old testament.

My thesis (and apologies to Shug, whom I sincerely hope will remain as our beloved moderator):

"Christians" are not Christians; they're "Paulians."

They worship Pauly Shore?

23 Aug 2005, 18:24

bLuE oRdEr wrote:

Ronald Kirsch wrote: I don' think these are officially endorsed amendments. I do remember an eye for an eye, but that is so old testament.

My thesis (and apologies to Shug, whom I sincerely hope will remain as our beloved moderator):

"Christians" are not Christians; they're "Paulians."

I don't recall Paul stating something along the lines of: Kill your enemies.

23 Aug 2005, 18:31

Well put. I'm sure he probably didn't. But they do follow Paul's teachings, rather than Christ's teachings. When they quote scripture to prove a point, it's always paul's letters, or some OTHER part of the bible, but NEVER what Christ actually said. Because if they followed that, they couldn't come up with "Kill your enemies."

EDIT: THAT commandment is a result of following Paul's theology, and then going a good bit farther down that road, incorporating the old testament along the way.

23 Aug 2005, 18:38

Ronald Kirsch wrote:

AgentWood wrote:

Ronald Kirsch wrote: How can a so called Christian avocate having anybody killed.

"Thou shall not kill".

weren't there amendments added to that commandment? for example:

if a person perfoms abortions, kill 'em

or

if someone kills another person (or better yet, several), kill 'em

i can't seem to locate these amendments, but i'm sure pat robertson must know where they are. maybe they were written in invisible ink that only the righteous lambs of the lord can see--righteous lambs like pat robertson.

I don' think these are officially endorsed amendments. I do remember an eye for an eye, but that is so old testament.

you dissin' the tenakh, dude? i dunno, the wrathful god was kind of fun, what with the floods and fire and brimstone. he was like rambo while the new testament god was kinda like jerry garcia.

23 Aug 2005, 18:56

Spotnick wrote: Next step is probably invading Alberta, it's closer ;)

Alberta? Isn't that a fat chick? :nono: :skeptic:

23 Aug 2005, 19:09

AgentWood wrote:

Spotnick wrote: Next step is probably invading Alberta, it's closer ;)

an even better reason: so we can have the world's two largest shopping malls.

You never cease to amaze me Christy... I thought nobody outside Canada knew about a city called Edmonton :lol:

23 Aug 2005, 19:10

Ronald Kirsch wrote: We've got to invade New Zealand first before we can join you in invading any other countries. Then again NZ should be a walkover, as they have like 3 planes and 3 ships.

Because you think Canada has better than this?

Our helicopters are 40 years old, and we just bought submarines from the UK and they went on fire when crossing the Atlantic!!

23 Aug 2005, 19:15

Spotnick wrote:

Ronald Kirsch wrote: We've got to invade New Zealand first before we can join you in invading any other countries. Then again NZ should be a walkover, as they have like 3 planes and 3 ships.

Because you think Canada has better than this?

Our helicopters are 40 years old, and we just bought submarines from the UK and they went on fire when crossing the Atlantic!!

That's cause you lot waste your tax dollars on health care for all Canadians, instead of buying as many shiny new weapons-- sometimes over the objections of the military itself-- as possible.

23 Aug 2005, 19:17

Q: Why is Bush against solar energy?

A: He says it would cost too much to invade the sun.

23 Aug 2005, 19:35

You never cease to amaze me Christy... I thought nobody outside Canada knew about a city called Edmonton :lol:

I DO!!!!

The Edmonton Oilers of Wayne Gretzky, Mark Messier, Jarri Kurri, Glenn Anderson, Paul Coffey, Grant Fuhr, Andy Moog, Craig MacTavish, Dave "Cement Head" Szmenko"

23 Aug 2005, 20:16

well, actually... all the Ten Commandments, all ten, are all death penalties, if you break them the penalty is death if you translate honestly. modern Christians tend to edit that out most of the time, as well as edit or re-translate whatever they don't like... there are actually three versions of the ten commandments in the old testament, and Christian sects edit them down to a form they find presentable. Catholics completely and intentionally censor out one of the commandments cause they don't like it. modern Christians also ignore the concept of curses which are very large part of the ten commandments

the "Ten Commandments" are basic laws of early Jewish society. "Thou shall not kill" means a Jew cannot kill another Jew for the hell of it, basically the same as the laws of every society in history in which murder for fun/ profit is banned otherwise chaos would rule. there is no great special moral meaning here.

plus "killing" and "people" need to be defined. foreigners and coloureds, especially coloured foreigners with a different religion like Iraqis , and generally anybody "bad"... if the are considered to be less than 100% "people", then "thou shall not kill" doesnt really imply... i mean its not like its killing real people, its more like killing animals

23 Aug 2005, 20:30

pumped full of drugs wrote: well, actually... all the Ten Commandments, all ten, are all death penalties, if you break them the penalty is death if you translate honestly. modern Christians tend to edit that out most of the time, as well as edit or re-translate whatever they don't like... there are actually three versions of the ten commandments in the old testament, and Christian sects edit them down to a form they find presentable. Catholics completely and intentionally censor out one of the commandments cause they don't like it. modern Christians also ignore the concept of curses which are very large part of the ten commandments

the "Ten Commandments" are basic laws of early Jewish society. "Thou shall not kill" means a Jew cannot kill another Jew for the hell of it, basically the same as the laws of every society in history in which murder for fun/ profit is banned otherwise chaos would rule. there is no great special moral meaning here.

Not sure which one catholics censor out... :confused2: ...

But Jesus was asked which was the greatest commandment, and he said there are two: Love God, and love your neighbor. That's it for Christians.

23 Aug 2005, 20:33

Spotnick wrote:

AgentWood wrote:

Spotnick wrote: Next step is probably invading Alberta, it's closer ;)

an even better reason: so we can have the world's two largest shopping malls.

You never cease to amaze me Christy... I thought nobody outside Canada knew about a city called Edmonton

as ed wrote, wayne gretsky! i don't even watch hockey, but: :bow:

the west edmonton mall is just as legendary. kind of.

and...we must not forget that the world's greatest ski jumper, eddie the eagle, made his mark at the calgary winter games!

23 Aug 2005, 20:36

AgentWood wrote:

Ronald Kirsch wrote:

AgentWood wrote:

Ronald Kirsch wrote: How can a so called Christian avocate having anybody killed.

"Thou shall not kill".

weren't there amendments added to that commandment? for example:

if a person perfoms abortions, kill 'em

or

if someone kills another person (or better yet, several), kill 'em

i can't seem to locate these amendments, but i'm sure pat robertson must know where they are. maybe they were written in invisible ink that only the righteous lambs of the lord can see--righteous lambs like pat robertson.

I don' think these are officially endorsed amendments. I do remember an eye for an eye, but that is so old testament.

you dissin' the tenakh, dude? i dunno, the wrathful god was kind of fun, what with the floods and fire and brimstone. he was like rambo while the new testament god was kinda like jerry garcia.

I don't really wat to get into another religious discussion, we did those not that long ago.

According to most theology God is still wrathful, howerver he sent his son (Jesus) so that humankind could be redeemed, by his sacrifice (the cross), and that who ever believes in him will be saved.

Howerver the wrath will come in the end-days, and of course non-believers will go straight to hell and not have eternal life.

23 Aug 2005, 20:45

Spotnick wrote:

AgentWood wrote:

Spotnick wrote: Next step is probably invading Alberta, it's closer ;)

an even better reason: so we can have the world's two largest shopping malls.

You never cease to amaze me Christy... I thought nobody outside Canada knew about a city called Edmonton

It's a lovely city...if you like driving through fields to get there. I remember a road trip through Alberta as a youngun and it was no fun. We almost made it to Edmonton but stopped short in Drumheller.

23 Aug 2005, 22:03

Ed Dalder wrote: You never cease to amaze me Christy... I thought nobody outside Canada knew about a city called Edmonton

I DO!!!!

The Edmonton Oilers of Wayne Gretzky, Mark Messier, Jarri Kurri, Glenn Anderson, Paul Coffey, Grant Fuhr, Andy Moog, Craig MacTavish, Dave "Cement Head" Szmenko" I guess Gretzky prefers Canada to the clean streets of Filthadelphia.

23 Aug 2005, 22:56

what has this got to do with oil and what do you think iraq was for, real justice, after all they could of got rid of saddam ages ago in the first gulf war

23 Aug 2005, 23:38

bLuE oRdEr wrote: Robertson is an evangelical "Christian" leader, and as such, has enormous influence over one of Bush's most important political bases. However, it appears that he's gone too far on this one.

ok, but as the venezuelan government i´d like some stronger condemns from the US government. "His comments are inappropriate"?

24 Aug 2005, 04:45

Ronald Kirsch wrote:

I don't really wat to get into another religious discussion, we did those not that long ago.

neither do i, so we will agree to disagree. there have been too many wars fought over religion and it's getting rather tiresome! :D

edit: alejo, i completely agree with you. but from this administration? fat chance.

25 Aug 2005, 16:15

I'd like to say here that I'm not a Christian nutter. Its just something I've investigated in reecent years, to see if it makes sense. So far the results are inconclusive. I do know enough though to see where it is being perverted for polictical or other reasons.

25 Aug 2005, 16:21

The fuckwit denied he ever called for Chavez' assassination. Then he apologized for calling for calling for Chavez' assassination.

Apparently, lying is now one of the new Christian virtues. Right up there with murder.

25 Aug 2005, 16:24

Not the fuckwit's first time.

25 Aug 2005, 16:32

Yes I heard that, and the media here then insited on playing the full quote, which went something along the lines of, I'm paraphrasing now, that he was not opposed to having him taken out.

26 Aug 2005, 16:24

Found this today while looking for something completely different.

26 Aug 2005, 17:00

listen to pat robertson in his own words.

27 Aug 2005, 05:07

almansoglasnost wrote: question to americans, what is the link between this Robertson character and Bush if there´s any?

i still don´t like Chavez 100% but i admit he made a couple of good decisions. still too "populist" for my liking but he´s closer to what i like than what i don´t like. the problem is that the people is REALLY divided in Venezuela. many ones have too much and many ones haven´t so Chavez is the perfect love/hate figure for venezuelans. notice how "his" half of the people went to the streets to take him back when USA tried to knock him down using the militars and oil impresarios. i respect that.

What do you mean by "populist" Alejo? If giving the majority of people what they want, and what they want is pretty basic (clean water, socialised healthcare, welfare, education) is populist - then I dont see the problem.

Also: His policies represent the interest of more than "half" the population - although that section of society doesnt pull the media strings or have access to the US state.

If the US take him out - and try another attempt at a Nicaraguian policy - there will most probably be civil war.

On the point of Religion - the United States is a christian country - like it or not - most US citizens have their own God hotline - and Robertson speaks for a lot of them. I think there is a lot of wool being pulled over a lot of eyes in the eruopean media and US "liberal" circles.

27 Aug 2005, 06:02

Hey, Robertson just said that it would be much cheaper and save American lives if the US just went and covertly assasinated whoever leaders they don't like, instead of massive illegal dangerous miltary invasions... THIS IS ONE THE MOST COMMONSENSE THINGS ROBERTSON HAS SAID IN YEARS!!!... :\ohwell:

sure, there are some MAJOR issues about questionable morals here to say the least... but this comment is still more lucid than his comment a few weeks ago that every christian should prey that god should kill one or two supreme court justices early so that Bush could appoint some guys that Robertson likes... :crazy:

27 Aug 2005, 08:51

twist wrote: Norway and Sweden already invaded the US. It's called Minnesota and Wisconsin. Got to keep them separated so we imported Germans and Irish as a buffer.

what if the germans don't bore them to death, they'll never get thru my lot cos they'll be in the midst of slaughtering each other for God and Ulster/Ireland.

PS, we do a great line in the unevolved Xtian Fundie here too. Ours are ALL prods for some reason, there's even some ultramental turbo-prod sect here that think (and I shite you not) they are the "lost 13th tribe of isreal"....yeah cos a bunch of pale blue red haired morons are OBVIOUSLY from the middle east.....tho they have the level of intelligence required to live out there: "hey screw science and learning, God's a FAR better excuse to kill people, cos all that science stuff can be sorted out by the satan's evil means.....experiment and PROOF!!!! PRAISE THE LORD AND PASS ME THE NAPALM!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

27 Aug 2005, 10:10

Read this link from where it says "Robertson on..." (near the bottom of the page) for some more idiotic stuff this guy's said:

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/story.jsp?story=658313

27 Aug 2005, 17:14

Adam, Steve, errrm, I mean Eve, and T. Rex

28 Aug 2005, 21:01

The Buycott

28 Aug 2005, 21:14

You know, I was quite surprised to learn that the country from which the US import the most in terms of oil is... CANADA :eek3:

28 Aug 2005, 21:33

Tabbsy's southern neighbors

28 Aug 2005, 21:40

bLuE oRdEr wrote: The Buycott

but american intervention in latin american politics is a tradition and we must honour this fine and long-standing tradition, blue.

not to mention that venezuela is so close to the ABC islands and trinidad. if chavez supports the spread of islamic fundamentalism, it might spread to these caribbean islands and then, my god, think of all the cruises that will have to be cancelled!

and i have my mobil speedpass, anyway.

28 Aug 2005, 21:52

Chavez calls for extraditing the terrorist.