Christopher Owens wrote:
sueroper wrote:
My Zoorooooopaaaahhhh!!!!!
No, I live in LoveTown, you?
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I never got the curtis-bono comparison. Curtis i could never see being so extroverted off the stage, and so friendly with the press.. Bono plays to the cameras and curtis was 'real'. He wouldnt be around trying to save the earth and being in bed with all the men who made the mess.Also, Curtis songwriting abilites wipe Bono's to the floor.
Jonathan wrote: I never got the curtis-bono comparison. Curtis i could never see being so extroverted off the stage, and so friendly with the press.. Bono plays to the cameras and curtis was 'real'. He wouldnt be around trying to save the earth and being in bed with all the men who made the mess.Also, Curtis songwriting abilites wipe Bono's to the floor.
I think it would be wise for us both to agree to disagree, agreed?!
no reason to agree to disagree, its just natural.
I never had somebody explain the curtis-bono comparison? Anybody care to?
If i may paraphrase the smiths, Bono speaks nothing of my life.
Jonathan wrote:
I never had somebody explain the curtis-bono comparison? Anybody care to?
Both natural frontmen.
Both great lyricists.
Both love(d) money.
sueroper wrote:
Alistair wrote: U2 are rubbish.
Quite like Passengers though.
How ignorance is bliss, eh? 'U2 are rubbish' You say?
I was joking (to an extent) and you completely missed my Passengers reference. (Oh well I suppose it was a minor LP) Passengers are U2 + Eno. But anyhow onto your gripes..
sueroper wrote: My dear boy, in an alternative multiverse with our dear departed Ian still alive......he *would* be called Bono. Bono *IS* Ian Curtis, and many other things, like a wanker for example, but thats not important night now, your narrow mind is.
Ian Curtis would never have ended up being anyone as crass as Bono. They are entirely different personalities and Curtis was far more of an enigma than Bono could ever hope to be. Curtis was not an easy personality to fathom whereas Bono and his ambitions are as clear as day to anyone.
The reason so many fans gormlessly quote the infamous (and bogus) "Curtis would've been Bono" is derived for the piss poor NewOrderStory documentary and Tony Wilson/Hooky's claims Joy Division would've been as big as U2 (not that they would've been the same band). Also, people who dislike U2's music or Bono's wankerish traits are not narrow minded, they are as open minded as you but simply have a different take. People who classify other people narrow minded usually can't handle having their own perceptions being challenged.
sueroper wrote: U2 rubbish? Have you ever listened to One? Or something as radical (as radical as a band that large can be) to Numb? Or So Cruel? Or Bad? Or Mercy? Or A man And A Woman?
One is a good track, it's not half as good as U2's publicity machine or Q magazine journalists would have you believe, but it's probably one of their best records. The rest you mention bar A Man And A Woman are simply album tracks, I find it difficult to get excited over them. Finally, A Man And A Woman is a hurrendous piece of bilge from the latest LP, a bad choice to put forward in their defence. I would've chosen something like Do You Feel Loved or some tracks where U2 actually took some risks musically.
sueroper wrote: U2 take you to a place that has to be believed to be seen.
My living room? Well I have just installed some pretty cool new blinds...
sueroper wrote: I rest my case.
Indeed, you'll be called back in for sentencing 
Seriously though, we obviously disagree, but welcome to the site all the same 
Christopher Owens wrote:
Jonathan wrote:
I never had somebody explain the curtis-bono comparison? Anybody care to?
Both natural frontmen.
Both great lyricists.
Both love(d) money.
thats it?
Here's another one:
bono-twat curtis-twat
Jonathan wrote:
Here's another one:
bono-twat curtis-twat
And you said you couldn't understand the connection!
One of my mates went to see em during that fucking terrible (if not laughable) Zooropa thing, and he paid 75 quid for a ticket to see a freak show. The flag waving was bad enough but climbing from a 20ft Lemon? And they weren't on half the drugs the Order were 
To be fair, they are a fucking great live band.
I just couldn't take myself to one of their shows, the atmosphere down the front of a neworder gig is all I need. A good frontman Bono is - but could you imagine Barney strutting up and down a catwalk in and out of the madness down the front of an Order gig? He'd get bottled for being a cunt.
Give me neworder anyday of the week.
Shug wrote: One of my mates went to see em during that fucking terrible (if not laughable) Zooropa thing, and he paid 75 quid for a ticket to see a freak show. The flag waving was bad enough but climbing from a 20ft Lemon? And they weren't on half the drugs the Order were
I think that was Popmart 97-98. Zoo TV was 91-93
Shug wrote: could you imagine Barney strutting up and down a catwalk in and out of the madness down the front of an Order gig? He'd get bottled for being a cunt.
I think you'd just see the front row rolling on the ground in laughter.
I could imagine Hooky strutting up and down a catwalk.
Shug wrote: One of my mates went to see em during that fucking terrible (if not laughable) Zooropa thing, and he paid 75 quid for a ticket to see a freak show. The flag waving was bad enough but climbing from a 20ft Lemon? And they weren't on half the drugs the Order were
To be fair, they are a fucking great live band.
I just couldn't take myself to one of their shows, the atmosphere down the front of a neworder gig is all I need. A good frontman Bono is - but could you imagine Barney strutting up and down a catwalk in and out of the madness down the front of an Order gig? He'd get bottled for being a cunt.
Give me neworder anyday of the week.
but i dont think they are that good live. Ok they have a nice light show, but you just as easy see that on tv or dvd. The only bands i'll compare them to are Oasis and Chili's, bands i have seen in the same venue. Oasis, evey night, had City of Manchester stadium, everyone standing and singing along every word as if lives depended on it. Same with the Chili's, who created an amazing atmosphere. U2 didnt, sure there was a few good singalongs, but people werent standing, and where i was standing, it was actually quite muted.
Cheers for clearing that up - He definitely paid 75 notes for Zooropa, I am sure he still has his ticket from Wembley.
So the plot was still lost as late as 98? Foowk me.
The Best Of is fookin ace, but as I say, after The Joshua Tree I'd had enough of them. Fair play to the fans that stood by them, that's what being a proper fan is all about.
Liam, that's one of my big regrets, I followed Oasis from when they started, I can remember hearing their first appearance on Radio 1's evening session with Lamacq and being blown away - I still have that recording to this day - cos I taped it while I was working backshift in a right wee shithole back in early 94.
But I still havnae seen em live! One of these days mate!
Coincidentally my 19 and 17 year old brothers got into Oasis cos of me and have seen them a few times. Putting me to shame so they are 
The new Single from U2 is just horrible, i can't even be arsed to look up the title its that bad.
heard it in Virgin in Edinburgh today and was just laughing.
U2 are IMO are getting very lazy these days and just retreading the same path they've walked a hundred times.
Stadiums, fucking plastic seats and warm beer in plastic glasses, Oasis an U2 fans are welcome to it 
I like U2. And I like Bono. And I like what Bono's doing. He's in bed with the men doing the world in? As the Edge (OK, time to get a real name) said, he (The Edge) would lunch with the devil if it would do some good.
I like the first two albums more than War (it's a bit dated). Can't stand anything after War UNTIL we get to Achtung Baby. I like everything from Achtung Baby forward. But the last album was weak, except for Vertigo, which I did like.
Twist-- nice poster. My cousin saw them on Market Street in San Francisco around that time for $3. I have no use for any band-- U2 or whoever-- that charges the obscene prices for tickets that bands are charging today.
Uncle Liam wrote:
Oasis, evey night, had City of Manchester stadium, everyone standing and singing along every word as if lives depended on it. Same with the Chili's, who created an amazing atmosphere. U2 didnt, sure there was a few good singalongs, but people werent standing, and where i was standing, it was actually quite muted.
I saw the Chilis twice. Once at Slaine Castle and at Phoenix Park. Both times, the crowd only reacted to the big numbers, which happened to make up a good chunk of the set.
Saw U2 at Croke Park, and the crowd went mental for every number(although it was a home crowd, to be fair). A friend saw them a month (or so) later at the San Siro in Milan, and he said the crowd were ten times better than at Croke, which says it all.
patrick stewart appreciation society wrote: The new Single from U2 is just horrible, i can't even be arsed to look up the title its that bad.
heard it in Virgin in Edinburgh today and was just laughing.
U2 are IMO are getting very lazy these days and just retreading the same path they've walked a hundred times.
I agree with that entirely (even though you did gang up on poor little me the other night).
I can see why people are saying they've become lazy, but the quality of songwriting is still there. At least they haven't ended up like Morrisey.
Christopher Owens wrote: I can see why people are saying they've become lazy, but the quality of songwriting is still there. At least they haven't ended up like Morrisey.
Morrissey's last album was fcuking great-- blows U2, and a lot of other bands, out of the water.
Johnny wrote:
patrick stewart appreciation society wrote: The new Single from U2 is just horrible, i can't even be arsed to look up the title its that bad.
heard it in Virgin in Edinburgh today and was just laughing.
U2 are IMO are getting very lazy these days and just retreading the same path they've walked a hundred times.
I agree with that entirely (even though you did gang up on poor little me the other night).
I second that, the new one's fucking bollocks. I saw the video on The Amp and it's just the most uninspired promo I've seen in a while (this coming from a New Order fan too). The band on a trailer being driven through New York and passers by looking bewildered, the bit where Bono and Edge grin at each other is cringeworthy. It's contrived.
I won't make this post all venom and bile towards U2, I'll chuck in something positive My favourite period for the band was Achtung Baby/Zooropa/Passengers OST/Pop, for the simple reason that they tried something different sounding and weren't the plodding, chest thumping U2 we see today. You wouldn't hear the 2005 U2 risk tracks like Miss Sarajevo, Mofo or Lemon as they're petrified of offending their fanbase.
The 90s produced the most interesting and most flawed U2 tracks, pre-90s is fine too but the last two records they've done have been U2-on-autopilot. Their peak was reached a long time ago.
Christopher Owens wrote: I can see why people are saying they've become lazy, but the quality of songwriting is still there. At least they haven't ended up like Morrisey.
And what do you mean by "havent ended up like Morrissey?"
Christopher Owens wrote: I can see why people are saying they've become lazy, but the quality of songwriting is still there. At least they haven't ended up like Morrisey.
Yeah thank god they haven't ended up with:
1) A comeback most artists would sell their souls for.2) Four top ten singles in a row.3) A slew of recognition-of-talent awards.4) A song of Irish Blood, English Heart's calibre.5) A song of First Of The Gang To Die's calibre.
I bet U2 are wiping the sweat from their brow, Morrissey's really gone downhill eh?
I can definitely smell shite here.
Johnny wrote:
patrick stewart appreciation society wrote: The new Single from U2 is just horrible, i can't even be arsed to look up the title its that bad.
heard it in Virgin in Edinburgh today and was just laughing.
U2 are IMO are getting very lazy these days and just retreading the same path they've walked a hundred times.
I agree with that entirely (even though you did gang up on poor little me the other night).
oh come on, you threatened us with a gun! i'm a nervous wreck walking the mean streets of Oban at the moment
Alistair wrote:
Christopher Owens wrote: I can see why people are saying they've become lazy, but the quality of songwriting is still there. At least they haven't ended up like Morrisey.
Yeah thank god they haven't ended up with:
1) A comeback most artists would sell their souls for.2) Four top ten singles in a row.3) A slew of recognition-of-talent awards.4) A song of Irish Blood, English Heart's calibre.5) A song of First Of The Gang To Die's calibre.
I bet U2 are wiping the sweat from their brow, Morrissey's really gone downhill eh?
I can definitely smell shite here.
Well Said! 
Of course, lets not forget the quality of the B SIDES as well, songs like Friday Mourning, and Munich Air Disaster. And the critically acclaimed live performances, with only the band and his name in some lights.
I honestly dont know why i bother going to see Morrissey anymore.
Alistair wrote:
1) A comeback most artists would sell their souls for.2) Four top ten singles in a row.3) A slew of recognition-of-talent awards.4) A song of Irish Blood, English Heart's calibre.5) A song of First Of The Gang To Die's calibre.
I bet U2 are wiping the sweat from their brow, Morrissey's really gone downhill eh?
- U2 came back from Pop, and proceeded to see 15 million copies of All That You Can't Leave Behind, win 4 Grammys and headline the Superbowl. 2.Vertigo, Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own = Number 1 City of Blinding Lights = Number 2 All Because of You = Top 10 3.Didn't they win Best Live Act at the Q awards yesterday.
- Vertigo wipes the floor with it (even though I like Irish Blood...)
- All Because of You
I don't think he's moved on from Viva Hate. And while You Are The Quarry had Irish Blood.. and First.., it also had America is Not The World,Come Back to Camden,The World is Full of Crashing Bores,How Can Anyone Possibly Know How I Feel and You Know I Couldn't Last.
