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PS....antivirus for linux, is for mailservers (the ones that run the internet) to scan for windows viri...tho there are instrusion deectors for linux, I've never used one.

PPS...you can dual boot (like spotty's post about windows on a mac), have both on a hard drive and choose which at start up. The advantage of this is that you get a set up like mine with oney one machine....ie windows for games and studio, linux for everything else.....it's betetr for those other things AND by keeping them away from windows you create less chances for it to go all wibbly (EG...if you dont use it for mail, yer laughng as regards vri)

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Twatto wrote: Whats with all the long posts? Im too tired/lazy to read them so i guess ill never know, rendering this post useless...:shrug:

fucking skinbashers...still you must be in the top 5% of drummerkind...you can at least read. click the link, it has a cute picture :D.

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Comrade, Linux is good for collecting "art" :wink:

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Steve Campbell wrote:

Emma Peel wrote: Linux isn't that hard to install. Come on.

No, the headaches arise totally with Window-shite.
:thumbdown:

My point was that installing is often seen as "harder" by people who've never install DOS-XP.

Gentoo IS hard tho, well not hard...LENGTHY, you're talking 36 hours from blank drive to multimedia desktop.

So worth it after that for the package manager.

want to play tuxracer?

"Emerge tuxracer" and tuxracer aling with anything else needed is downloaded and compiled to order...TWO words....OMG how is that trickier than searching the web, finding the download site, downloading, installing, watching it crash, spending days working out why and getting the fixes...and all the time PAYING for the privellege.

£300 for a CD, and they don't eve give you a manual (apparently there Is a windows manaul but it costs £3000!!!!!!!)

No fucking way! 300 quid? That's like $450 USD. Not gonna happen.

I do want to play tuxracer, but not if it means I have to give up a hobby for the week to pay for the CD!

Nah, I'll just stick with my precious Linux and my old school Tuxracer...besides, there are some really cool games elsewhere that are free. :thumb:

PS The best things in life are worth waiting for...so 36 hours is nothing.

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Emma Peel wrote: Comrade, Linux is good for collecting "art" :wink:

Exceptionally so.

:D I really wish I could be so brief ;)

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Emma Peel wrote:

Steve Campbell wrote:

Emma Peel wrote: Linux isn't that hard to install. Come on.

No, the headaches arise totally with Window-shite.
:thumbdown:

My point was that installing is often seen as "harder" by people who've never install DOS-XP.

Gentoo IS hard tho, well not hard...LENGTHY, you're talking 36 hours from blank drive to multimedia desktop.

So worth it after that for the package manager.

want to play tuxracer?

"Emerge tuxracer" and tuxracer aling with anything else needed is downloaded and compiled to order...TWO words....OMG how is that trickier than searching the web, finding the download site, downloading, installing, watching it crash, spending days working out why and getting the fixes...and all the time PAYING for the privellege.

£300 for a CD, and they don't eve give you a manual (apparently there Is a windows manaul but it costs £3000!!!!!!!)

No fucking way! 300 quid? That's like $450 USD. Not gonna happen.

I do want to play tuxracer, but not if it means I have to give up a hobby for the week to pay for the CD!

Nah, I'll just stick with my precious Linux and my old school Tuxracer...besides, there are some really cool games elsewhere that are free. :thumb:

PS The best things in life are worth waiting for...so 36 hours is nothing.

no no...I meant windows costs that much, old gentoo is as free as the rest :D

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Steve Campbell wrote:

Emma Peel wrote: Comrade, Linux is good for collecting "art" :wink:

Exceptionally so.

:D I really wish I could be so brief ;)

Ah, it's so easy to be brief! :shades:

Editorial: And yes, Comrade, there are TWO double entendres here in this post. :thumb:

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Steve Campbell wrote:

Emma Peel wrote:

Steve Campbell wrote:

Emma Peel wrote: Linux isn't that hard to install. Come on.

No, the headaches arise totally with Window-shite.
:thumbdown:

My point was that installing is often seen as "harder" by people who've never install DOS-XP.

Gentoo IS hard tho, well not hard...LENGTHY, you're talking 36 hours from blank drive to multimedia desktop.

So worth it after that for the package manager.

want to play tuxracer?

"Emerge tuxracer" and tuxracer aling with anything else needed is downloaded and compiled to order...TWO words....OMG how is that trickier than searching the web, finding the download site, downloading, installing, watching it crash, spending days working out why and getting the fixes...and all the time PAYING for the privellege.

£300 for a CD, and they don't eve give you a manual (apparently there Is a windows manaul but it costs £3000!!!!!!!)

No fucking way! 300 quid? That's like $450 USD. Not gonna happen.

I do want to play tuxracer, but not if it means I have to give up a hobby for the week to pay for the CD!

Nah, I'll just stick with my precious Linux and my old school Tuxracer...besides, there are some really cool games elsewhere that are free. :thumb:

PS The best things in life are worth waiting for...so 36 hours is nothing.

no no...I meant windows costs that much, old gentoo is as free as the rest :D

whew! You had my heart racing there! :)

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LOL cue Maya and her "endless quoting" banner :D

Tuxtracer and Ltris converted my sister for quite a while, she fell back to the dark side cos of keeping up with her mates.

She still hasher own login here tho and she uses a mutant KDE I built her.

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Steve Campbell wrote: LOL cue Maya and her "endless quoting" banner :D

Tuxtracer and Ltris converted my sister for quite a while, she fell back to the dark side cos of keeping up with her mates.

She still hasher own login here tho and she uses a mutant KDE I built her.

never, ever fall to the dark side...

Just be loyal to the penguin and all will be well. :thumb:

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Emma Peel wrote: Comrade, Linux is good for collecting "art" :wink:

All of my art is hanging in my foyer, except for a piece near my futon. :nod:

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Steve Campbell wrote:

Comrade Shampanyov, Last Gentleman of the Mohicans wrote: Not so fast, Dr. Whoever!

OK, so why is Linux virus-free? Because it can't be attacked, or because nobody bothers to write viruses for the two of you who have Linux installed? If Linux is installed, does it still make sense to install an anti-virus program?

It's a little of both...it's harder to attack for two (main) reasons, firstly it's system of file and folder permissions is shit hot....you will be logged in as comrade...comrade can fuck over comrades files, but never touch anything related to the system, only root can do that (also handy for being shitfaced...you can't accidentaly delete half your system, at least not without supply a password)...so a virus you receive can only twat your own user over...also because no two linux systems are quite the same, the damage it can do is heavily limited (it doesn't know where to strike). Of course there are holes,ways to grab root access, or freak something out and bring the system down, but most of these require someone to be logged in to the system rather than via some annoying email attachment. And this brings me to the 2nd point...anyone and everyone can see the source code for every linux package...if someone spots a weakness, it's fixed the next morning...and even those who don;t apply the fix are aided because no one will bother to use the exploit.

Now, suppose I, a person who merely wants a computer to download por... err, suppose I, a person who merely wants a computer for word processing, surfing the internet, and perhaps for studio duty (video, music) if I were decide to rebuild my studio someday, were to buy a computer and want Linux installed. How would I go about doing that? Would I buy a computer without an OS (remember, I'm not going to be wasting word processing time building any computers up from scratch), or would I jettison the crappy Gates OS and install Linux? And how would I go about getting Linux?

Etc. Etc. Etc.

First....I know sod all about music stuff in linux, cos I'm a cubase head, and can use nothing else on any platform with any degree of elegance....but what I do know is that it's less than optimal, in that you are in non standard territory since none of the big name programs run on linux. I know a guy who does all his work in it tho and swears by it. It's an exceptionally good OS for "word processing" :wink: since none of the dodgy viri one finds in "word processing tutorial videos" :wink: function there, nor can webpages steal your credit card number off your hard drive and all the other wonderous things activeX enables in windows (in fairness that was patched in Xp SP1). It's a "lovely" OS for watching movies and the like, it's TV output quality and colour tone is quite beautiful (it's been a while since I had a good comparison tho because i have an ATI radeon in the windows box....oh FUCK the TV out is VILE!!!!! but it was vile on that card in linux)....in fact in general, everyone I've evern sat down at my 2 machines has said that for some reason they cannot define, the linux one always looks sort of slicker and prettier.

As for ging about getting it.....well it's free...you just download it, or order a copy from a burning service for a nominal fee. (you can also pay daft money for manuals and stuff if you like, but all the docs are on the discs anyway).

But, why bother testing it unless it's safe....so....

http://www.knoppix.org/

that's the knoppix "livecd"....you use your PC like a games console....switch off, put this in the drive and switch on, it runs entirely from the CD so you can see what all the fuss is about without doing anything too scarey. Certainly you woun't see the speed because CD's are slower than HD's and I'm not sure they have a license to distribute the full 3d accelerator drivers for things like nvidia and ati yet....but you'll get a beautiful KDE desktop, and a ton of apps to try out. Remember it does not even allow itself write access to the existsing HD, in fact it will run in a box with no HD...tho you CAN speed things up by offering it some swap space I think)

You can even install it from the live cd, but if you were considering an installation, I would look at Mandriva, a real newbie friendly distro (there are numerous distribution of linux, each put together as someone's perfect idea, and with their own quirks and ways of handling certain things), it has good software management, and lots of helpful point and drool "wizards" for those who don't like to talk to computers with text like I do. My lovely gentoo, is by far the best I have tried, but I'd be a damned liar if i said the install was for novices, or the impatient (36hours is typical...most of it spent with white text streaking up the screen). Once it's in, it just WORKS, and has done since day one, barring one or two attempts by yours truly to lobotomize it. I can't honestly remember the last time the machince crashed for any non hardware reason (fuckin video card and dvdburner hate me).

just stick a knoppix cd in the nearest PC and see what YOU think. (oh...linuc loves ram, uses lots f it, but uses it wisely.....give it plenty and it zings)

So how's it work for word processing? :D

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Steve Campbell wrote: open office.org kword all good :D

Open Office all the way.....!

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Comrade Shampanyov, Last Gentleman of the Mohicans wrote:

Emma Peel wrote: Comrade, Linux is good for collecting "art" :wink:

All of my art is hanging in my foyer, except for a piece near my futon. :nod:

A piece near your futon?

Is that a piece of...

I can't say it! :ignore:

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Yes you can. :nod:

It's the artwork for Substance. :)

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Comrade Shampanyov, Last Gentleman of the Mohicans wrote: Yes you can. :nod:

It's the artwork for Substance. :)

ah! I see...

You might like Linux, but you should probably get Campo here to set it up for you....otherwise you'd probably lose hope!

But Linux rules! (along with Aston Martins...vroom vroom...)

PS Check yer mailbox late tonight! :thumb:

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Emma Peel wrote:

Comrade Shampanyov, Last Gentleman of the Mohicans wrote: Yes you can. :nod:

It's the artwork for Substance. :)

ah! I see...

You might like Linux, but you should probably get Campo here to set it up for you....otherwise you'd probably lose hope!

But Linux rules! (along with Aston Martins...vroom vroom...)

PS Check yer mailbox late tonight! :thumb:

I shall. :thumb:

Check yers as well, I forgot to reply last time. Need to do some work for pay first, though.

Vroom vroom!

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Emma Peel wrote:

Comrade Shampanyov, Last Gentleman of the Mohicans wrote: Yes you can. :nod:

It's the artwork for Substance. :)

ah! I see...

But you haven't seen my Cure artwork in the foyer :evil4:

It's the two lovers from lovesong...

Right between Unknown Pleasures and the artwork for a Serbian film. :thumb:

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Comrade Shampanyov, Last Gentleman of the Mohicans wrote:

Emma Peel wrote:

Comrade Shampanyov, Last Gentleman of the Mohicans wrote: Yes you can. :nod:

It's the artwork for Substance. :)

ah! I see...

But you haven't seen my Cure artwork in the foyer :evil4:

It's the two lovers from lovesong...

Right between Unknown Pleasures and the artwork for a Serbian film. :thumb:

hmmm, methinks a picture collague is in order!

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Emma Peel wrote:

Comrade Shampanyov, Last Gentleman of the Mohicans wrote:

Emma Peel wrote:

Comrade Shampanyov, Last Gentleman of the Mohicans wrote: Yes you can. :nod:

It's the artwork for Substance. :)

ah! I see...

But you haven't seen my Cure artwork in the foyer :evil4:

It's the two lovers from lovesong...

Right between Unknown Pleasures and the artwork for a Serbian film. :thumb:

hmmm, methinks a picture collague is in order!

Aided by Linux downloads of "art"?

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Comrade Shampanyov, Last Gentleman of the Mohicans wrote:

Emma Peel wrote:

Comrade Shampanyov, Last Gentleman of the Mohicans wrote:

Emma Peel wrote:

Comrade Shampanyov, Last Gentleman of the Mohicans wrote: Yes you can. :nod:

It's the artwork for Substance. :)

ah! I see...

But you haven't seen my Cure artwork in the foyer :evil4:

It's the two lovers from lovesong...

Right between Unknown Pleasures and the artwork for a Serbian film. :thumb:

hmmm, methinks a picture collague is in order!

Aided by Linux downloads of "art"?

aye! :wink:

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Ahh, but I don't have Linux. :shrug:

But I do have...

and...

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quite an art collection there..!

I shall describe my art collection in my upcoming letter -- no dig cam on me so I can't photograph them right now :(

I'm going on the 101...! Talk to you soon...

Emma

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Emma Peel wrote: quite an art collection there..!

I shall describe my art collection in my upcoming letter -- no dig cam on me so I can't photograph them right now :(

I'm going on the 101...! Talk to you soon...

Emma

Be careful out there, Mrs. Peel. I'll look forward to hearing all about it.

(Is there a dig cam on Cozzie right now? :evil4: )

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Comrade Shampanyov, Last Gentleman of the Mohicans wrote:

Emma Peel wrote: quite an art collection there..!

I shall describe my art collection in my upcoming letter -- no dig cam on me so I can't photograph them right now :(

I'm going on the 101...! Talk to you soon...

Emma

Be careful out there, Mrs. Peel. I'll look forward to hearing all about it.

(Is there a dig cam on Cozzie right now? :evil4: )

I'm always careful...it's the idiot drivers out there that are the problem!

that is sooo evil! :evil4: :ignore: :laugh:

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