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(no I'm just being snarky with the topic...this stuff is messed up)

Hundreds Mob Streets In B'klyn Protest

POSTED: 8:10 pm EDT April 4, 2006 UPDATED: 7:29 am EDT April 5, 2006 Email This Story | Print This Story NEW YORK -- Claiming police had mistreated a 75-year-old man after a routine traffic stop, hundreds of residents stormed the streets and set fires as officers in riot gear fanned out to clear the crowd.

Police denied mistreating the man, Arthur Schick, after he was pulled over Tuesday night in the Borough Park section of Brooklyn for talking on his cell phone while driving. Police said he resisted the officers during the stop, which occurred around 6:30 p.m., and was arrested with two other people who meddled in the incident.

New York is among a group of states that prohibit talking on hand-held cell phones while driving.

Protesters set small fires and blocked streets in the Orthodox Jewish neighborhood while Schick's car sat parked in front of the bakery bearing his family's name.

Dozens of young Orthodox Jews in traditional black suits and hats gathered on street corners in the neighborhood, which sees very little crime. Charred garbage pockmarked the streets.

Police officers herded away onlookers, who yelled back angrily. The crowd had mostly dispersed by late Tuesday night.

Sariel Widawsky, co-owner of Schick's Bakery, said he saw the traffic stop through the front window of his store, which once was owned by Schick's mother. He said he saw police push Schick, whom he described as a friend he's known since 1960.

"They pushed Arthur against the car and physically manhandled him in a way unbefitting such a well-respected and liked member of the community," Widawsky said. "He shouldn't be treated like that."

He said police "acted as if they were going to a riot, pulling out batons and spraying Mace and abusing their power." He said people at the scene begged the officers to stop.

Yossi Baumann, a bakery shipping manager who was on the sidewalk wrapping a pallet, said the police called for backup after Schick resisted their handcuffs. He said four officers picked Schick up horizontally and hurled him into a van.

Other witnesses and friends said it's possible Schick, a caterer of weddings and bat mitzvahs, didn't hear instructions from the officers because he uses a hearing aid. They said the police, who twisted Schick's arms behind his back, had overreacted.

"He was hard of hearing; he didn't hear what the cop said," said one man. "The cop pushed him down and started beating him or something. Then I was walking around here and the cops started spraying mace at me, started spraying mace all over. I was just walking by."

Police added that when they tried to take the man into custody, other people in the area interceded.

"He was an old man; he was no harm to anybody," said another man. "That's not right."

The man added that, usually, relations between the Hasidic community and the police are very good.

"I don't know what happened all of the sudden," the man said. "I don't know why they did it."

Some residents said an increase in traffic tickets had raised tensions in the community.

Schick's friends said a lawyer told them he was taken to a police station and spent time in a cell before being released. Schick's wife, reached by telephone at home around midnight, said her husband was asleep and declined to comment further.

The incident happened on one of the busiest shopping days before Passover, the weeklong Jewish commemoration of the deliverance of the ancient Hebrews from slavery in Egypt.

© 2006 by WNBC.com The Associated Press contributed to this report. All rights reserved

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what can i say to that, other that the law should be applied equally to everybody.

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errrr I see nothing in this story that implies double standards.

Just a community standing up for one of it's own

LA Riots?

rightly or wrongly it happens all over the world....:sleep:

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Definitely Barney Army wrote: errrr I see nothing in this story that implies double standards.

Just a community standing up for one of it's own

LA Riots?

rightly or wrongly it happens all over the world....:sleep:

I agree with you I was being snarky :P like i said in the actual post

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orthodox jews think they are above the law and they will fight with police or anyone else. if you all remember crown heights incident in 1991 the story

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No one is above the Law

Denis is the King :nod:

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Smarra[gold]dona wrote: orthodox jews think they are above the law and they will fight with police or anyone else. if you all remember crown heights incident in 1991 the story

ultra-orthodox jews; they're quite different from orthodox jews. it's the same way in israel: if you drive through mea shearim, the ultra-orthodox neighbourhood in jerusalem, on shabbat, you run the risk of having your car stoned. it's not unheard of in borough park, either.

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There are extremist Jewish knobs outside the Isreali cabinet?

Right, that's a black mark for the red sea pedestrians, I thought better of them.

PS...isn;t the stoning itself breaking Shabbat?

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Steve Campbell wrote: There are extremist Jewish knobs outside the Isreali cabinet?

Right, that's a black mark for the red sea pedestrians, I thought better of them.

actually the residents of mea shearim don't recognize the state of israel at all! they believe the state of israel is a sacrilege because it can only be founded once the messiah comes, the third temple is built and peace is brought to the land of israel. unlike christians, jews believe that the messiah will be wholly human and a political leader (although many reform jews, like myself, have done away with the idea of the messiah). anyway, as none of those things have happened yet, many ultra-orthodox jews, or haredim, refuse to take up israeli citizenship.

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I'd have thought they could doublethink a distinction between the state of isreal and the holy nation thereof?

I suppose maybe those that do take up citizenship think that way.

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Steve Campbell wrote: I'd have thought they could doublethink a distinction between the state of isreal and the holy nation thereof?

I suppose maybe those that do take up citizenship think that way.

according to the torah there is no difference between the state of israel and eretz yisrael (the land of israel).

but most israelis are masorti(traditional) or hiloni (secular). they only observe the high holy days, if they observe at all. they view judaism more as a culture or ethnicity than just as a religion. this goes for the far-right politicians like netanyahu, as well.

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ChrissMari wrote:

Definitely Barney Army wrote: errrr I see nothing in this story that implies double standards.

Just a community standing up for one of it's own

LA Riots?

rightly or wrongly it happens all over the world....:sleep:

I agree with you I was being snarky :P like i said in the actual post

"Snarky"????????

:scratch:

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AgentWood wrote:

Steve Campbell wrote: I'd have thought they could doublethink a distinction between the state of isreal and the holy nation thereof?

I suppose maybe those that do take up citizenship think that way.

according to the torah there is no difference between the state of israel and eretz yisrael (the land of israel).

but most israelis are masorti(traditional) or hiloni (secular). they only observe the high holy days, if they observe at all. they view judaism more as a culture or ethnicity than just as a religion. this goes for the far-right politicians like netanyahu, as well.

Thanks Woodsy, always good to learn ;)

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Now, that's absurd and an injustice.

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[magenta]cozmonite61[/magenta] wrote: Now, that's absurd and an injustice.

what is?

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Definitely Barney Army wrote: No one is above the Law

Denis is the King :nod:

And ERIC?:scratch: :evil4: :laugh:

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Definitely Barney Army wrote:

[magenta]cozmonite61[/magenta] wrote: Now, that's absurd and an injustice.

what is?

BA, what do you mean by "what is"? The whole news story and the circumstances.

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[magenta]cozmonite61[/magenta] wrote:

Definitely Barney Army wrote:

[magenta]cozmonite61[/magenta] wrote: Now, that's absurd and an injustice.

what is?

BA, what do you mean by "what is"? The whole news story and the circumstances.

well, what did you find absurd?

and what injustice do you see?

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Definitely Barney Army wrote:

[magenta]cozmonite61[/magenta] wrote:

Definitely Barney Army wrote:

[magenta]cozmonite61[/magenta] wrote: Now, that's absurd and an injustice.

what is?

BA, what do you mean by "what is"? The whole news story and the circumstances.

well, what did you find absurd?

and what injustice do you see?

you missed a spot (last comment so far)

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Hmmm. A recipe for disaster. Ingredients:-

#1 An 85 year old man behind the wheel. #2 An 85 year old man,hard of hearing behind the wheel. #3 An 85 year old man fucking about with a mobile while driving.

What he was doing to resist arrest baffles me.In the UK,they stop them,ask to see licence and write them out a penalty notice. So he would have to blatently refuse to produce his documents.Anyone over 70 here is supposed to renew their licence every five years,supported by a doctors medical report.Anyone not doing this,is just as much of a liability on the road. It's alright getting defensive on old people,but a car is a car.It kills people.

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Chrissi, I just put that comment regarding the Asian listening to the Clash, because I'm Asian. The comment was just a reaction.

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Steve Campbell wrote:

PS...isn;t the stoning itself breaking Shabbat?

:laugh: you'd think so, wouldn't you?

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AgentWood wrote:

Smarra[gold]dona wrote: orthodox jews think they are above the law and they will fight with police or anyone else. if you all remember crown heights incident in 1991 the story

ultra-orthodox jews; they're quite different from orthodox jews. it's the same way in israel: if you drive through mea shearim, the ultra-orthodox neighbourhood in jerusalem, on shabbat, you run the risk of having your car stoned. it's not unheard of in borough park, either.

Cuntiest cunts in New York. But then they're fundamenatlists, ain't they, and by definition, cunts. Tell me I'm wrong, Cambo. :D

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monty wrote: Hmmm. A recipe for disaster. Ingredients:-

#1 An 85 year old man behind the wheel. #2 An 85 year old man,hard of hearing behind the wheel. #3 An 85 year old man fucking about with a mobile while driving.

What he was doing to resist arrest baffles me.In the UK,they stop them,ask to see licence and write them out a penalty notice. So he would have to blatently refuse to produce his documents.Anyone over 70 here is supposed to renew their licence every five years,supported by a doctors medical report.Anyone not doing this,is just as much of a liability on the road. It's alright getting defensive on old people,but a car is a car.It kills people.

Only the other day, I watched a chap who looked like he may have been born in the 19th century, reverse into a house. His car was of similar age.

The ensuing traffic chaos/jam, made euthanasia almost look like an attractive idea.

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Burt Reynolds wrote:

monty wrote: Hmmm. A recipe for disaster. Ingredients:-

#1 An 85 year old man behind the wheel. #2 An 85 year old man,hard of hearing behind the wheel. #3 An 85 year old man fucking about with a mobile while driving.

What he was doing to resist arrest baffles me.In the UK,they stop them,ask to see licence and write them out a penalty notice. So he would have to blatently refuse to produce his documents.Anyone over 70 here is supposed to renew their licence every five years,supported by a doctors medical report.Anyone not doing this,is just as much of a liability on the road. It's alright getting defensive on old people,but a car is a car.It kills people.

Only the other day, I watched a chap who looked like he may have been born in the 19th century, reverse into a house. His car was of similar age.

The ensuing traffic chaos/jam, made euthanasia almost look like an attractive idea.

:laugh:

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