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yesterday, a high school student was murdered on campus by another student. apparently, the two argued over a girl during lunchtime and one stabbed the other to death by the bus loop at the end of the day.
what in the hell are these kids thinking? well, obviously they're not. the killer is being charged with first degree murder as he's 17.
i so often get the feeling that some of these kids are either on drugs or are not being raised very well. sometimes i think its the media that triggers those kids to do that sort of thing...they see it on tv and then they get the idea to pull something off. well-i guess the kid is going to spend the rest of his life in prison-he'll have plenty of time to think about what he's done...
[pink]Animadversion[/pink] wrote: i so often get the feeling that some of these kids are either on drugs or are not being raised very well. sometimes i think its the media that triggers those kids to do that sort of thing...they see it on tv and then they get the idea to pull something off. well-i guess the kid is going to spend the rest of his life in prison-he'll have plenty of time to think about what he's done...
C'mon, if we're gonna blame the color TV, nothing ain't gonna change.
I'm reading a book about the Clash and the author states that when they made a lot of Western movies, kids were good, they had behaviour models. With the increasing disappearance of such kind of movies kids have been getting out of hand and have no standards of conduct (eh.. liberated souls??).
i'm not blaming the tv entirely....it also has to do with the parents...but tv does influence kids a lot these days....the kid was going to do it regardless....
Who knows what motivated this kid? Besides, you don't need any outside stimulus to ask like an asshole when you think you're in love (I speak from experience). But this crosses the line certainly. 
I'm getting tired of the whole "TV made me do it" arguement. Art (and some TV falls under that category, as do some films and books and what not) is supposed to provide an outlet for the kind of emotional release you don't often get in real life. Sometimes it can mess with you and motivate you, but usually in a positive way (i.e., telling someone how you feel after you see a fictional character do so, or learn to avoid deserted summer camps that have a history of campers getting cut to hell). Art plays a role sometimes in these kinds of events, but look at the parents first before you blame rap music, slasher flicks, or J.D. Salinger. The parenting skills (or lack thereof) generally set the conditions through which art can influence a kid, not the other way around.
NOOLigan wrote: ah crap. kids need someone to talk to about their problems.
Yes, they do, but not everyone has that. I don't know how it was for those kids involved in the stabbing, if they had a parent or an adult they could talk to, but when I was their age, I couldn't talk to either of my parents. My father was always at work and my mother, although at home, had depression and managed to turn any problem of mine into one that affected her, which only made things worse. Also, although my high school apparently had a counselor, going to see one means that you're probably messed up. So, at that age, if I were having social problems in school, I went to my friends. And, we'd basically plot or plan to beat the crap out of someone who was giving us all problems or giving one of us problems. When I was 16, for example, 4 of my friends after school were hanging at a corner near out high school and were beaten up badly - not just a few bruises, but enough to put 2 in the hospital - by a large group of black students from our school. The next day, one of my friends who was there finds me in school and tells me what happened and points out to me who beat them up. He also told everyone else who was not there. So, last period, three other friends and I cut school and went back to that corner prepared to beat up anyone who was involved. Luckily, no one showed up except for us.
The kid who did the stabbing probably went to his friends. And they probably told him to kick the other kid's ass.
Dont wanna sound crabby, but this sort of shit happens all the time, and perhaps I've become desensitized to it in recent years.
I reckon we need threads on crimes that are either a) amusing or b) a hell of a lot more nasty.
or we could have some happy threads.
C-Ro wrote: two income households
So true C-Ro.
I would go further and blame Dr. Spock in the 80's, where disiplining children took a new turn. He was the one that started the "no spanking" movement (of course in a very generalized term). He actually recanted it in the late 90's, but it was too late by then as the movement was bigger than him.
I have noticed this difference in disipline with the new Marines coming in, as they tend to be 18-22. Over the last ten years there is a difference.
My friend's father, who is a professor at a private university, has noticed the same difference in the disipline and respect of elders and has stated that students now-a-days can't understand that if they miss test/homework that there isn't always make-up assignments; that they can't seem to take responsibility for thier actions; etc....and he's been teaching in universities for over 30 years.
Parents need to take control of thier kids, but they are too busy buying new cars, the newest gadget, and biggest house, to notice thier kids need them to show them there are rules.
After seeing a few episodes of Laguna Beach: The Real OC, I'm beginning to think Mr. Darwin might have had a point :think:
EdelBrock wrote:
C-Ro wrote: two income households
So true C-Ro.
I would go further and blame Dr. Spock in the 80's, where disiplining children took a new turn. He was the one that started the "no spanking" movement (of course in a very generalized term). He actually recanted it in the late 90's, but it was too late by then as the movement was bigger than him.
Surely you aren't saying the problem is that parents aren't thumping their kids enough? I can remember kids at school who were really disruptive and violent, and it was bleedin' obvious that they'd learned to be violent from their parent/s. Disciplining kids by whacking them (er, not in the mafia sense) works until they reach adolescence, then they start putting what they've learned into practice (violence as a means of getting others to do what you want) and start thumping everyone else. At least that's what happened with boys at my school - your milage may vary.
Agree that blaming the parents makes more sense than blaming TV.
who to blame? how about the kid himself? there are people who grew up poor with parents that didnt give a shit about them and watched violent movies and TV without supervision that never stabbed, shot or beat somebody to a pulp, and there are well to do kids who's mom is the head of the PTA and Daddy is a Doctor that go out and kill people.
either you have the tendencies to be a bastard or you dont
