Obama for President?

He is the best candidate, but he won't get it because of the Hilary factor. She's got it in the bag by virtue of her position, and while I think Obama would be the best potential president, I doubt he'll get closer to it than maybe a VP position should Hilary win. And there's some questions about that.

I know when he finished his speech at the '04 convention, I wished that he was running instead of Kerry. His moment may have passed already

Either way, I have little faith that the American people will wake up in time to realize how fucked-up we are because of the GOP (who probably have procedures in place for just such an occurance if they suddenly did realize what a shitty mess we're in thanks to Dubya and his cronies)

"Obama bin Ladin," I can hear the Republicans chanting now.

yeh. he's got to change his name.

pope just beat me to it.

His Holiness, The Pope wrote: "Obama bin Ladin," I can hear the Republicans chanting now.

although that's mean.

I voted Yes. America should have diversity in the White House. Plus, I hope that he will be a model for world peace. I like the fact that he takes the time to travel to Africa. We don't have enough politicians who would go to Third World countries to see how bad social and economic conditions could get, and provide ways to help.

Oprah has a better chance- she's more "white"...

Oh, whatever. Obama is half-white, so he can understand diversity issues...

Why are we talking about races again? Just close your eyes, listen w/ your ears. This white/nonwhite shit is on my nerves.

just living in the real world... you live in texas...

OK, sorry for bringing up the race issue. But we do need diversity in the Oval Office.

I don't care what race Obama is, he has the "taint" of being a Democrat, which in certain parts of this country is more than enough to render him unsupportable. It's a fucking shame, but let's call it what it is: right now it's the Repubs' ballgame, and unless the American people wake up to how royally screwed we are after six years of George W., it's not going to change. Of course, I might be more pessimistic than most as I live in one of the archtypical "red states", but I guarentee you it will take a lot for a Democrat to win the White House in the next twenty years.

On the other hand, I think neoconservatism is foundering on the shores of the Iraq War, I wouldn't be surprised if political activism of a leftward turn doesn't experience an upsurge in the next decade or so. People at some point will begin to get fed up with the giant cockup going on in DC, and they're not just going to go about twiddling their thumbs and waiting for Hilary to make her bid (which I think would be a disaster, by the way. I know she has no broad appeal across the country, that's a fact). Right now, Young Republicans have a grip on campuses everywhere, spouting their bullshit while proudly displaying their "WWJD" armbands. But at some point, college kids will figure out when they're being lied to.

So Obama might never get a shot, but someone else will come along to mobilize the resistance to the GOP's "with us or against us" stance.

[magenta]shedmonite61[/magenta] wrote: OK, sorry for bringing up the race issue. But we do need diversity in the Oval Office.

What? Cunnilingus Rice and Colonoscopy Powell weren't black enough for you? Or are you talking about the whole so-called "house slave" thing?

OK, I forgot those two, but I don't agree with the terminology you're using, Pope (they are too demeaning for my taste). What I meant was that I think it's time to have a president of another race...

i like obama... it's just that how many black or non-white u.s. presidents has there been... zilch... i actually thought that colin powell would have become a great president, and he is 100% african american (of jamaican ancestry)... the thing of it is that the united states has many years (possibly decades) before they will elect a president of an non-anglo saxon descent... which is a shame...

Taboo # 7 wrote:

People at some point will begin to get fed up with the giant cockup going on in DC. But at some point, college kids will figure out when they're being lied to.

Actually what point it must be? They'll never figure out. You're too idealistic. And yes I concur, Hilary would be a distater for the nation.

I'm a college student, and I know I'm being lied to... Where are the answers?

angeldust_evildust wrote: i like obama... it's just that how many black or non-white u.s. presidents has there been... zilch... i actually thought that colin powell would have become a great president, and he is 100% african american (of jamaican ancestry)... the thing of it is that the united states has many years (possibly decades) before they will elect a president of an non-anglo saxon descent... which is a shame...

You can do Oscar: choose one nonwhite president once and then don't get one elected for a century without accusations of being a racist. Or better: two in one - a nonwhite female president the same way.

Is it your way?

[magenta]shedmonite61[/magenta] wrote: Where are the answers?

Right, there ain't any.

i'm not certain what you are saying- and i don't really care what race the u.s. president should be as long as he or she is honest, firm, and in touch with it's citizens... also, one who has actually served honorably in the military, which i believe shows their true dedication to their country... now, i must be living in bizarro world...

i forget- bill clinton was very firm and in touch with the citizens... hrmmmm- at least he's wasn't hitting on male interns... i think...

angeldust_evildust wrote: i'm not certain what you are saying- and i don't really care what race the u.s. president should be as long as he or she is honest, firm, and in touch with it's citizens... also, one who has actually served honorably in the military, which i believe shows their true dedication to their country... now, i must be living in bizarro world...

Ditto.

[magenta]shedmonite61[/magenta] wrote: OK, I forgot those two, but I don't agree with the terminology you're using, Pope (they are too demeaning for my taste). What I meant was that I think it's time to have a president of another race...

It's not my terminology. Blame Harry Belafonte if you must.

a capable incumbent would make a nice change.

then again who would want to take over from shrub. it will be a thankless task to turn his economic mess around. dare I mention the budget deficit and trade imbalance.

fook it let the republicans clean up their own mess. why should the dems be blamed for tax rises etc.

NOOLigan wrote: a capable incumbent would make a nice change.

then again who would want to take over from shrub. it will be a thankless task to turn his economic mess around. dare I mention the budget deficit and trade imbalance.

fook it let the republicans clean up their own mess. why should the dems be blamed for tax rises etc.

Economic mess???? Home ownership is at an all time high, and the economy has recovery (maybe not fully) from the high tech crash of 2000. Granted the war has put more deficite fromthe government, but it also stimulates economic growth. It isn't the highest point in American economy, but it isn't a mess.

And dems would tax air if they could.

EdelBrock wrote:

NOOLigan wrote: a capable incumbent would make a nice change.

then again who would want to take over from shrub. it will be a thankless task to turn his economic mess around. dare I mention the budget deficit and trade imbalance.

fook it let the republicans clean up their own mess. why should the dems be blamed for tax rises etc.

Economic mess???? Home ownership is at an all time high, and the economy has recovery (maybe not fully) from the high tech crash of 2000. Granted the war has put more deficit from the government, but it also stimulates economic growth. It isn't the highest point in American economy, but it isn't a mess.

And dems would tax air if they could.

it seems you as so many of your fellow citizens are, are living in a dreamland.

frankly your economic boom is unstainable and financed by debt. it can not continue forever. think about it China has $18 trillion in us reserves. they have you by the balls.

ok it may not be in china's interest to shot sell the us dollar, but still.

Oh god I hope not!

Why does the Democratic Party like him? Because he's the perfect token! He's a black guy who "doesn't act black". It doesn't make them feel uncomfortable. If they close their eyes they can pretend he's white and then they get to play to all the lipservice they spout about social justice.

They'll make the worst choices (Obama, Hillary etc) to prove how liberal they are--even if it's the wrong choice strategically.

plsu his middle name is hussien or something.

His Holiness, The Pope wrote: "Obama bin Ladin," I can hear the Republicans chanting now.

Ha ha - straight from the GoP book of infant school electioneering.

I'd never heard the name until I saw this thread, even then I thought it was a spelling mistake.

My only interest in American politics died with Hunter S Thompson. You lot can elect a trained monkey next time for all I care.

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Nah, I'll leave that one for someone else to finish!

here's a little fact sheet on senator obama...

and condi...

angeldust_evildust wrote: here's a little fact sheet on senator obama...

In his 1995 memoir, Dreams from My Father, Obama admits using marijuana and cocaine as a teenager.

Surely that's him out of the game anyway?

[magenta]shedmonite61[/magenta] wrote: I voted Yes. America should have diversity in the White House. Plus, I hope that he will be a model for world peace. I like the fact that he takes the time to travel to Africa. We don't have enough politicians who would go to Third World countries to see how bad social and economic conditions could get, and provide ways to help.

these are the very reasons he won't win. world peace? pah!

AgentWood wrote:

[magenta]shedmonite61[/magenta] wrote: I voted Yes. America should have diversity in the White House. Plus, I hope that he will be a model for world peace. I like the fact that he takes the time to travel to Africa. We don't have enough politicians who would go to Third World countries to see how bad social and economic conditions could get, and provide ways to help.

these are the very reasons he won't win. world peace? pah!

Dude but like I don't see any reasons that says he would do that better than John Edwards except he's like the minority dish of the day. I do not believe Obama's message is any better than any "good" Democrat.

The last Northerner elected President was over 40 years ago now AND THEY SHOT HIS ASS!

It's a southern country; Run a southern man--with a sick wife--who America lovessss John Edwards is beyond reproach seriously. If he doesn't win because some limosene liberal wants to prove a point with Hillary or Obama I'm fucking off to Italy.

Dont run a Northern black man--shit I say don't run a Northern man anyway...PA is the only real swing state up here and we in the PA Democratic Party got it covered...

Don't run a woman that people couldn't stand while she was first lady just to prove that you can. (Plus she's a man in a skirt anyway--she would not bring any feminine qualities to the presidency. She's a male modeled leader).

WE NEED TO WIN!!! Not lose on purpose so that we can say "oh look how progressive we are the rest of the country isn't ready for us".

Ok kids, here's the real clincher:

What this country needs most is a split-party ticket.

Take your token Democrat and team him/her up with some moderately sensible Republican (McCain, not sure of any others), just so they're good friends and can make decisions together. Run them together for Pres and Vice-Pres, and watch the pundits and parties shit themselves over how much change it could actually make. Instead of blaming the opposing party for every speck of bullshit that happens, keep both parties with an invested interest in the nation's success. Would be great for the country for many reasons, and certainly a more attractive ticket for me than some born-to-lose Democrat.

His Holiness, The Pope wrote: Ok kids, here's the real clincher:

What this country needs most is a split-party ticket.

Take your token Democrat and team him/her up with some moderately sensible Republican (McCain, not sure of any others), just so they're good friends and can make decisions together. Run them together for Pres and Vice-Pres, and watch the pundits and parties shit themselves over how much change it could actually make. Instead of blaming the opposing party for every speck of bullshit that happens, keep both parties with an invested interest in the nation's success. Would be great for the country for many reasons, and certainly a more attractive ticket for me than some born-to-lose Democrat.

McCain is still pretty right-winged to Democrats' standards--he's just got good PR. But yeah--agreed. IF ONLY HE WASN'T KILLED BY HIS OWN PARTY!!!!

Taboo # 7 wrote: I live in one of the archtypical "red states"

You might want to tell those peckerwood Republicans to spend a little more on ejimacashun-- it's "archetypal."

Taboo # 7 wrote: Right now, Young Republicans have a grip on campuses everywhere, spouting their bullshit while proudly displaying their "WWJD" armbands.

What country do you live in?

C-Ro wrote: They'll make the worst choices (Obama, Hillary etc) to prove how liberal they are--even if it's the wrong choice strategically.

Hillary is no liberal. Except in Jesusland.

His Holiness, The Pope wrote: Ok kids, here's the real clincher:

What this country needs most is a split-party ticket.

Take your token Democrat and team him/her up with some moderately sensible Republican (McCain, not sure of any others), just so they're good friends and can make decisions together. Run them together for Pres and Vice-Pres, and watch the pundits and parties shit themselves over how much change it could actually make. Instead of blaming the opposing party for every speck of bullshit that happens, keep both parties with an invested interest in the nation's success. Would be great for the country for many reasons, and certainly a more attractive ticket for me than some born-to-lose Democrat.

Kerry tried that with McCain in '04. McCain wasn't interested-- he preferred bending over for W so he could run as a Republican in '08. McCain: Republican first, American second.

Diamond White wrote: You lot can elect a trained monkey next time for all I care.

We already have.

C-Ro wrote: It's a southern country

Paradoxically, the south won the civil war. For that matter, Japan won World War II.

Run a southern man--with a sick wife--who America lovessss John Edwards is beyond reproach seriously.

Agreed...

If he doesn't win because some limosene liberal wants to prove a point with Hillary or Obama

Agreed...

I'm fucking off to Italy.

Fuck, three for three, is it Armageddon?

Seriously, though, Edwards is ace, and far more of a Democrat than Hillary ever was or ever will be.

Comrade Shampanyov wrote:

C-Ro wrote: They'll make the worst choices (Obama, Hillary etc) to prove how liberal they are--even if it's the wrong choice strategically.

Hillary is no liberal. Except in Jesusland.

She's liberal to the clueless liberals who think that's a sign of progression if she's elected.

No Hilary in the house of dolls