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Former Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko has reportedly died in hospital after being poisoned. Sky News sources have learned that the ex-KGB agent has died after his condition had been deteriorating throughout the day.

Mr Litvinenko's supporters have accused the Russian government of poisoning the 43-year-old, who had been given asylum and citizenship in Britain after fleeing Russia.

They said he was killed because he was investigating the murder last month of journalist Anna Politkovskaya, who was shot dead near her Moscow apartment.

The Kremlin has said the accusation is "sheer nonsense".

Mr Litvinenko fell ill after meeting a contact, an Italian journalist, in a sushi restaurant in central London.

Dramatic photographs released this week showed him lying in intensive care. His hair had fallen out and his complexion was jaundiced.

Last night he suffered a heart attack and doctors said his condition had worsened. Friends and relatives were said to be rushing to his bedside fearing the worst.

Doctors still do not know what caused his illness, although they have said he was poisoned.

Initial reports suggested he had been poisoned with thallium, or with a radioactive material, but doctors have now said this was not the case.

Professor Mario Scaramella, the Italian who met Mr Litvinenko for lunch before he fell ill, said he had shown him documents suggesting that both men were on a hit-list.

Mr Litvinenko, an outspoken critic of President Vladimir Putin, was probing the murder of Ms Politkovskaya, who had become famous for exposing Russian atrocities in Chechnya.

Thirteen journalists have been murdered in Russia since Mr Putin came to power in 2000. None of the cases has been solved.

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There's censorship, and then's there's censorship (thirteen journalists dead since Putin came to power) :uhoh:

Anyone else wonder if maybe it wasn't that bad under Gorby? :brow:

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Just out of interest. Has this running story been big news in the US?. It has been over here, largely cos they've been trying to keep the poor bugger alive.

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Putin? W's pal, inne?

Bizarre, 13 unsolved murders. Sounds like O.J.'s been consulting for Putin on how to find "the real killers." No mirrors in the Kremlin, then?

RIP, Litvinenko.

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Burt Reynolds wrote: Just out of interest. Has this running story been big news in the US?. It has been over here, largely cos they've been trying to keep the poor bugger alive.

Yes, it's running, although not a big news item, like Tomkat's wedding....

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Comrade Shampanyov wrote:

Burt Reynolds wrote: Just out of interest. Has this running story been big news in the US?. It has been over here, largely cos they've been trying to keep the poor bugger alive.

Yes, it's running, although not a big news item, like Tomkat's wedding....

Yeah, nothing is more important than the biggest hoax ever put on...and David Blaine's shitty magic :shrug:

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Taboo # 7 wrote:

Yeah, nothing is more important than the biggest hoax ever put on...and David Blaine's shitty magic :shrug:

Yeah sorry Tabs.. I started a thread on that too :evil4:

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I'm no expert on the subject but found this photograph particularly disturbing:

A human being literally days away from death and a 21st century hospital with little or no idea why he's deteriorating so rapidly; shocking stuff.

Some startling similarities with Georgi Markov's murder. Real James Bond stuff.

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bastards. just how much more damage could he have done. this pure revenge.

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Burt Reynolds wrote: Professor Mario Scaramella, the Italian who met Mr Litvinenko for lunch before he fell ill, said he had shown him documents suggesting that both men were on a hit-list.

Mr Litvinenko, an outspoken critic of President Vladimir Putin, was probing the murder of Ms Politkovskaya, who had become famous for exposing Russian atrocities in Chechnya.

Thirteen journalists have been murdered in Russia since Mr Putin came to power in 2000. None of the cases has been solved.

All over the news w/ anything that lists Associated Press. Both Ms. Politkovskaya and Mr. Litvinenko were outspoken about Chechnya. Specifically the apartment block that was blown up preceding the stronger Russian attacks the couple of years back.

Both also were key figures in the Press during Ukraine's Nov. 2004 election mess. That officially declared Viktor Yushchenko the President. And the two journalists were also there this last March 06 that has the coalition of V. Yuschenko, Viktor Yanukovych as Prime Minister and former Prime minister Yulia Tymoshenko.

SVR - Federal Security Services spokesman Sergei Ivanov is quoted as saying that 'It is absolutely not in our interests to be engaged in such activity. Litvinenko is not the kind of person for whose sake we would spoil bilateral relations.

Ron :\party: :baloon: 2006- 07. See what I did there. 80.00 for guava, Rockmellon, papaya and vegimite for your toast and coffee tomorrow.

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Taboo # 7 wrote: There's censorship, and then's there's censorship (thirteen journalists dead since Putin came to power) :uhoh:

Anyone else wonder if maybe it wasn't that bad under Gorby? :brow:

I thought it was fine...didn't they release a song "Putin on the Ritz"?:laugh:

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I would say play with fire and expect to get hurt... except this guy was resident in the UK and it's pretty shocking that the KGB, or whatever it's called nowadays, still has the ability to bump off a target at such long range...

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Taboo # 7 wrote: There's censorship, and then's there's censorship (thirteen journalists dead since Putin came to power) :uhoh:

Anyone else wonder if maybe it wasn't that bad under Gorby? :brow:

I miss Gorby, we had really good relationship. Putin is a BIT aggressive as a politician.

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The statement he gave before dying was good. About how they can silence one man but not everyone else.

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Just watched various news reports expressing shock at the alleged state sponsored bumping off of opponents of Putin's regime, as if this is a totally alien concept to Western governments.

The family of Dr David Kelly, must be cringing.:thumbdown:

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The radioactive substance they found a couple of hours before his death,could have been sprinkled in food or drink in powder form,or even sprayed.Very worrying,another terrorist tool to be wary of if it fell into other wrong hands.And the substance gives off little radiaton to set off sensors at airports.

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First of all, nothing certain is known. So at this very moment everything is only media allegations.

Secondly, I doubt it's FSB's (not damn KGB - KGB are no more for more than 15 years!) kind of work. To poison deadly a man is not only an old-fashioned way but also a method with very unpredictable results. Serious people in Russia don't go for unpreditable murders - in all cases so far people were shot dead with no chances of survival, it's even easier technically. :skeptic:

Thirdly, Litvinenko escaped from Russia in 2000 - more than 6 years ago and had FSB wanted to get rid of him - they would have done it much earlier and not in such an amateurish way. Nevertheless that man knew what kind of people he dealt with in England and what kind of games he was involved into and it was very serious.

Obviously it's a huge frameup, very bad for the image of Russia and even worse for Putin in the wake of the infamous note left by Litvinenko (which also led me to think the murder was hardly done by FSB but rather by enemies of Russia whom London is so fond of).:shrug:

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|| | ||| 6217|| 8 || 3 wrote: First of all, nothing certain is known. So at this very moment everything is only media allegations.

Secondly, I doubt it's FSB's (not damn KGB - KGB are no more for more than 15 years!) kind of work. To poison deadly a man is not only an old-fashioned way but also a method with very unpredictable results. Serious people in Russia don't go for unpreditable murders - in all cases so far people were shot dead with no chances of survival, it's even easier technically. :skeptic:

Thirdly, Litvinenko escaped from Russia in 2000 - more than 6 years ago and had FSB wanted to get rid of him - they would have done it much earlier and not in such an amateurish way. Nevertheless that man knew what kind of people he dealt with in England and what kind of games he was involved into and it was very serious.

Obviously it's a huge frameup, very bad for the image of Russia and even worse for Putin in the wake of the infamous note left by Litvinenko (which also led me to think the murder was hardly done by FSB but rather by enemies of Russia whom London is famously fond of).:shrug:

using plutonium (or wahtever it was) was hardly amerteurish.

just why would anybody want to frame Russia for this?

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NOOLigan wrote: using plutonium (or wahtever it was) was hardly amerteurish.

just why would anybody want to frame Russia for this?

I think it was Polonium, one of the most dangerous elements on earth, indeed. My point is that all assassinations of such level of the last 15 years were sure murders.

The answer to the latter question lies in the basics of international politics and business. Just as why so many Russian personae non grata find a refuge in London? Litvinenko communicated with Berezovski, a man known for his obscure connections with the Kremlin (in the past), FSB, key Russian businessmen, politicians. A lot of these connections eneded up in unsolved murders. Berezovski has also found a new home in London as well as some rebel leaders from the Caucasus. I really don't know why. In 19th century the communists Herzen and Oragev also lived comfortably in London and published their anti-czarist papers in London.

It may be just a tool of politics since there are not many other bigger tools than PR image harm.

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