Windows Vista

Anyone know the deal with it? Do we need to get it? I know it comes as a standard for £100,or as a bells & whistles version for £350.

If i buy a new laptop now,would it have Vista on or is it just an XP add on?

Steve One wrote: Anyone know the deal with it? Do we need to get it? I know it comes as a standard for £100,or as a bells & whistles version for £350.

If i buy a new laptop now,would it have Vista on or is it just an XP add on?

If you buy one RIGHT now, you'll get XP, and either a sticker to tell you Vista will run on it (like I got, which is a larf cos this thing can barely handle XP, never mind feckin vista...thank $DEITY for Gentoo), or a wee voucher thing which entitles you to a free performance downgrade to vista once billy boy starts shipping it.

There are four versions of it though ffs! Home Basic, Home Premium, Business and 'Ultimate' which has Windows Bitlocker Drive Encryption (wtf?)as an extra.

But wait, there's more... Office 2007 has five variants! Home and Student, Standard, Small Business, Professional and, wait for it, 'Ultimate' again. Now I've got to find out what 'Windows Aero desktop experience', Windows Flip 3D navigation, Windows Mobility Centre, Windows Meeting Space, Windows Media Centre, Windows InfoPath2007, Windows OneNote2007 and Windows Groove2007 all do

What a load of tosh...

All I need now is to win the lottery, or have someone offer me £5k so I can buy a new PC and everything I want for it.

you want to be really frightened? read up on vista's content protection.....

to cut a long rant short....if i watch a dvd on my PC under vista, I will never be able to run cubase again because vista will have to switch off all my high quality IO's (including my maudio sound card)

LOL

Doctor? wrote: you want to be really frightened? read up on vista's content protection.....

to cut a long rant short....if i watch a dvd on my PC under vista, I will never be able to run cubase again because vista will have to switch off all my high quality IO's (including my maudio sound card)

LOL

You think it's deliberate? I could see Microsoft taking their monopolizing tendencies into semi-covert territory by letting their programs sabotage all programs from competing companies (I mean more so than they already do).

i´m gonna get it!!

ally wrote:

You won't be able to open the Start menu before long without having to validating your key

It's fucking true.

I had a mess around with the release candidate version bleedin 999. The O/S needs 2gb hard drive space to run and a shit load of memory and dual core processors. Oh and it was fun watching Norton go pop! If you're getting a new lap top then get it preinstalled but if you're running XPSP2 on your usual computer I'd carry on for now. Pain in the arse Microsoft. Some people who I know work in say hospitals and government have not long switched to XP from Windows 2000 and now they've released a new O/S.

I'm sticking with Windows 2000 advanced server :D

3.11 for me

Good choice Col :)

If I feel motivated enough, I will soon be independent from microschrott.

Is there actually any real benefit with Vista other than having it take up heaps more memory and some pretty pictures?

NOOLigan wrote: If I feel motivated enough, I will soon be independent from microschrott.

Is there actually any real benefit with Vista other than having it take up heaps more memory and some pretty pictures?

In a word Ron...........erm..........NO.

Kath wrote:

NOOLigan wrote: If I feel motivated enough, I will soon be independent from microschrott.

Is there actually any real benefit with Vista other than having it take up heaps more memory and some pretty pictures?

In a word Ron...........erm..........NO.

thought so.

There's a lot wrong with this system that drives me nuts........but I had it specifically to deal with work 'boring dull stuff' which it does perfectly well; if I want to download other stuff......specifically music...its really poor and so slow......., but at the moment it'll have to do. The laptop however, is really geared up for the latter, but I never get chance to play on that! There's always a queue.

To run the 'all bells and whistles' version, the PC has to have a graphics card that retails at £400 !!!

And best look at this and click on the one called 'Surgery'

http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/

His Holiness, The Pope wrote:

Doctor? wrote: you want to be really frightened? read up on vista's content protection.....

to cut a long rant short.... LOL

You think it's deliberate? I could see Microsoft taking their monopolizing tendencies into semi-covert territory by letting their programs sabotage all programs from competing companies (I mean more so than they already do).

Five years they've said in the making most ambitious so said. In order to get past all the bad press that gives indication that the system will be not much more than a fresh coat of paint it does require at least those 3.46 GHz. and something equivalent to Intel Core duo or Core 2 Duo. w/ 60- 80 of free disk space.

Aero and Glass is Vistas answer to Apple's Aqua. The Flip 3D screens and clean crisp graphics is supposed to get us all sidetracked. Is using Hardware now not Software and will require a decent Video hopeful graphs card. More processing muscle. Upwards to 3.325 Gb and as it's in two identical sticks at a time have to buy 4. Funny that.

Security and stability are said to be features. so much so that it wasn't until late last year that Microsoft is said to have let the Various Anti- Virus firms into the 'Labs to get their Ducks in line. If somehow cost isn't an issue.. only two worth considering. Skip the featureless Home Basic and consider Vista Home Premium the Vista Utimate woo- hoo or Vista Business. globeandmail.com Technology personal's Jack Kapica runs a fair running coloumn. he was online this morning 'answering to + fielding questions and statements.

BIGINOIL wrote: 3.11 for me

Kill this with two more lines. One of the kickers is even w/ all the new font packages that have been developed over the years Vista is still drawing on the original 3.11. w/ out changes. So purchase the latest DirectX 9 Graphics cards, the processing to have the req. stabilty and shine word of tranlucency for the same type style.

@ Dr? and Churchy above. Has a lot of drivers and so should in theory.. recognize peripherals with greater ease. So it's said.

the OEM version sells for 50% ie 100 120 and 200 instead of 200 240 and 400.

if you want bill gates to tell you what media you can use then go ahead and buy it. i for one will wait till they "patch" it.

being an early adopter is gauranteed to give you less functionality and force you to purchase upgrades for both software and hardware.

if you are a gamer expect a 12 - 50 % cut in performance.

14 K wrote:

BIGINOIL wrote: 3.11 for me

Kill this with two more lines. One of the kickers is even w/ all the new font packages that have been developed over the years Vista is still drawing on the original 3.11. w/ out changes. So purchase the latest DirectX 9 Graphics cards, the processing to have the req. stabilty and shine word of tranlucency for the same type style.

@ Dr? and Churchy above. Has a lot of drivers and so should in theory.. recognize peripherals with greater ease. So it's said.

vista has two security modes. the secure mode enables "high-def" content. in order to run this way all of your hardware has to have signed approved drivers. if any of your hardware (non hdcp compliant) does not have signed drivers from microsoft (an extra expense for vendors) then you will bump down to the less secure mode.

this means additional upgrades to your hardware. do you really want to buy a new monitor just to watch video. the only thing that makes Media Player useable is the add ons from sites such as freecodecs.com

It will also downgrade all outputs and disable "pro quality" outputs, from the moment you play "premium content" on it.

Makes you watch DVD video through a constrictor too.

Never mind my above example of playing a DVD on my digital audio workstation......some sample libraries will come flagged as "premium".....result.........loading a sample into cubase will force cubase onto the motherboard's onboard sound....whereupon it will scream blue ballix murder and bail out rapidly.

So far, the 3d desktop thing they nicked from linux is the best reason I've seen to use Vista, not what you;d call a killer app.

Cambo, heard you scuttled linux for the new vista and have a shrine with a four foot budha with gates' picture taped on the head. So my question is: what are you giving as a sacrafice to the microsoft gods?

EdelBrock wrote: Cambo, heard you scuttled linux for the new vista and have a shrine with a four foot budha with gates' picture taped on the head. So my question is: what are you giving as a sacrafice to the microsoft gods?

Hey my new laptop came with windows on it, it's the first time I have ever paid fuckface for his joke of an OS, I think he's done well enough out of me.

My Office Depot tech sales guys told me Vista was more was an "upgrade" not anything worth the money.

I also figured "OK I really use my machine for Itunes music and web surfing, what do I need Vista for??"

I have a Compaq with 512 MB of Ram etc. I almost sold a lady a Vista on it (not in stock=LOL) In order to get anything outta your new box, you have to get Vista Premium-the Basic is just XP with a new name plate and new paint

and no, I don't the first thing about computers-the lady asked me to compare two laptops. I said "I am not a tech guy but I know how to shop, OK?"

Now that it's available I wonder how many security updates are available for it. I remember when XP first came out and even before it hit the shops Windows Update had about four updates for it.

I've XP (SP2) Media Centre Ed. As my computers from PC world I can now download Vista today. I ran the Microsoft Vista compatibility checker thing, and found out I'd have to dump quite a few of my (non-Microsoft) programs due to "compatibility issues". I'm none to enamoured by it's reluctance to run anything non-Microsoft, then there's the extra space/power it needs to run, & how many patches/service packs will it need? Plus It's failed to overly impress me, more like a few tiny steps, instead of a giant leap (slightly better looks/slightly easier to use).

So, even though I can get it for nothing, I think I'll stick with what I've got for the moment, at least until I see how it pans out, and if they fix it's monopolising tendencies.

I've only just, finally, upgraded from 98se to xp! It came with a voucher for a "free" upgrade to vista - subject to $50 handling charge+shipping. And I bet they'll screw us with the exchange rate and it'll end up as £50. Not sure I'll bother, why introduce a zillion and one incompatibility issues, just for some unnecessary prettiness? But the voucher has to be used by end of March. Maybe I can cash in the voucher and not actually install the thing for the time being.

Do they upt the fatal errors in before or after the RC statge but?

I used Windows ME Beta2 for about 6 months and it was pretty bloody good, installed the final as soon as it came out...OMG what a shitepile.

Beware Macroshafties bearing betas :D

It sticks in my throat, but XP actually is solid (painfully slow, but nevertheless, solid), I'd say my linux machine only outlasts it about 2 to 1, as opposed to about 30 to 1 with 98SE

Vista just seems like Xp, plus a pile of (very pretty) bloat, and DRM gone mad.

If I could change just ONE thing about windows, it would be that it would not stick the desktop up half an hour before it's in any way willing to let you interact with it. Either load all the taskbar shite first, THEN show the desktop, or stick the desktop up, and BACKGROUND the loading of the 800 flummies that live in the sys tray. In a way it's a testament to Xp that I LEAVE anything in autorun, on 98 I had to kill everything except drivers to get something resembling a stable OS.

As ever I will be dragged kicking and screaming onto vista about 4 years (and a couple of new PC's) from now.

I'll probably download it from e-mule later :)

We'll probably go out instead

Hey, as long as that super distro is Gentoo I don't mind :D

(Portage is just sex on a cpu, i've been firing software at my laptop all day like a madman, and it's all just so seamless, none of this dependency hell you geet with yer RPM type distros. Gentoo is also the ONLY distro where mplayer works right out of the box,you can go insane and/or die of old age getting it to do anything but the most basic taks on other linuxes and fuck me is that one awesome piece of mulimedia when it works)

Not sure an all in merger would be good, but a few of the big players could come together....it'd be hilarious to see slackware guys trying to trach an agreement with the bleeding edge brigade from Mandriva.

Bottom line is, I would HATE linux to be like windows, (Python-pepperpot voice) "i DON;T LIKE WINDOWS" (/voice) it's nice that some folks do, bless em, but I hate it, and the thought of "linux for the masses" scares the piss out of me.

Vista is thusfar looking REALLY grim for both games ( the older the grimmer), and that DRM business is looking like a cubase-killer, unless I can keep the system clear of all "premium content", whatever thhe fuck the RIAA and MPAA deem it at any point in time. So like I say, kicking and screaming.

BTW, the new laptop, (hostname: Orac, but also known as the portapenguin :D ) has Xp Home on it......it's like trying to run uphill in treacle I'm almost tempted to format that off it ( I already stole 40GB of it's drive for Linux) and install a warezed XP pro, partly cos it sucks fewer balls, but mainly on the principe that I own a legitimate copy of LoseDos, and I feel dirty

Doctor? wrote: you can go insane and/or die of old age getting it to do anything but the most basic taks on other linuxes and fuck me is that one awesome piece of mulimedia when it works)

Not sure an all in merger would be good, but a few of the big players could come together....it'd be hilarious to see slackware guys trying to trach an agreement with the bleeding edge brigade from Mandriva. BTW, the new laptop, (hostname: Orac, but also known as the portapenguin :D ) has Xp Home on it......it's like trying to run uphill in treacle I'm almost tempted to format that off it ( I already stole 40GB of it's drive for Linux) and install a warezed XP pro, partly cos it sucks fewer balls, but mainly on the principe that I own a legitimate copy of LoseDos, and I feel dirty

Ste.? The part about going insane and or dieing.. explains alot eh. The guys at the various Electronic Future Shops, Office Depots said if you install a high-speed high capacity USB thumb drive WinVista will use it as virtual memory. Faster disk access. That might help w/ issues..

Penguinistas was a term tossed around for the Arm wrestles over the 'Main Two operating systems. Re: Office versions same gripe as to the various formats but might one of the Higher office sets suit to organize and recognize Cubass.

One of the Positive things coming out of 09- 11 is that TeleConferencing has gotten more efficient- Computers stronger as people aren't flying in for specific meetings. They're having it finished online.

Looks like Microsoft have finally sussed out the security issue's

http://images.apple.com/movies/us/apple/getamac/apple-getamac-security_480x376.mov

doesn't it have problems running itunes?

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: Well...Apple SAYS that there may be compatability issues between i-tunes and vista...

maybe Apple just wants us to all run out and buy Macs...

Ronald Mcfuckindonald tried that one on me!

Burgerfeet King is far superior

There is only a brief problem between iTunes and Vista, which will be sorted in a few short weeks.

I gather that Vista is the best version of Windows yet. Anyone who has a really fast computer says that it's a much better OS than XP was.

However, you need really up to date hardware to run it. I've heard a lot of stories from people who have been unable to run it on laptops bought in the last year.

So if you're set in your MicroSoft ways, wait till your new craptop arrives from Dell or HP with Vista bundled.

If you have give a fuck about how you spend your money, get an Apple computer. OSX is Unix based, super stable, super fast, and super useable. Also, any application you'll ever want (Office, etc, etc) is available on Mac.

Alternatively, there are lots of great Linux options out there - if you're willing to put a little time and effort into getting the most out of your computer.

I got a MacBook Pro last year, and the experience has been top notch. Every now and then, I have to fix windows PC's for people, and it really brings home what I, and other OSX users take for granted.

OSX is what you get if you take FreeBSD and throw spades of money at it. FreeBSD is Linux's little brother, and probably also the 2nd most scalable OS on Earth, your broadband router at home is almost certainly running the very same thing that works as the underpinnings of OSX ( OK OK, you can get linux on wristwatches and 100,000 node supercomputer clusters, but BSD does OK).

BTW, Vista may have problems with iTunes, but it doesn't support the MS player, the Zune, AT ALL. Way to go there Bill.

As I said before the content protection system sounds terrifying, and very likely to drive people insane. Hopefully someone will hack it out soon.

Spotnick wrote: Vista runs sooooo good on my new laptop... gee, those dual core machines are impressive!

I hear Vista makes FAR better use of SMP(syncronous multiprocessors, or Penguins if u use Linux) machines than XP, so that's something they HAVE got right.

I think I'll grab a warezed one and make a VMware image of it, run it in a sandbox for a while, although how it'll handle running on top of linux on a 1Ghz machine I dunno :D

Why should most people buy new computers with Windows at this point? ...so release a new OS that needs new hardware to work well and design new versions of software to work with the new OS... Dell needs to sell computers, Microsoft needs to sell more Windows and other licences... I'm sure they will try to do this every 5 years, they should (hopefully) reward consumers with improved performance

Didn't Microsoft have a plan (like 7-8 years ago) to eventually sell Windows as a yearly subscription with yearly updates, like Virus software?... this plan must not have panned out

Their plan is actually to go back to the 1960's...where your home PC is pretty much a thin clientb (a 21st century Xterm or teletype), running just a bare bones windows back end. If you want to use, say, MS word ( although why you would when openoffice exists I have no idea, the formats are compatible too), for a while, you log into MS, and use word running on an MS mainframe, paying by the minute.

Yeah I can see fucking CUBASE wortking over the internet, retards.

Trust MS to drag us back in time.

I suppose since windows is based on MSDOS, which is based QDOS (quick and dirty operating system), which was a stolen hack of CPM, which was a 1970's version of unix stripped down to the bare basics and barely functional...AND since windows is NOT an operating system but an "application management layer" (it performs almost none of the functions and old time computer operator would have done, which is what an OS is supposed to replace)...it seems a perfectly consistent thing for billy boy to try and sort out.

BTW, his foundation has donated a fortune to a company who are workingn on a way to make petrol from sugar....great Bill, the rest of us are moving towards cleaner power, and you wanna keep burning petrol after the oil runs out. Satan incarnate I tell you.

Bill Gates: When geeks turn bad.

Doc you're gonna love this!!!

working at Office Deport today as the greeter guy that I am. Talked to a repeat customer who is a computer tech guy.

He told me he was the local Best Buy where there was a demo computer. It has 2GB RAM and a 2GB processor-real hot stuff!

Well whenever Vista would try to load a picture on that hot number a fatal error would occur and the system would have to reboot!! Another guy could not even use anything on his task bar!! The initial judgment is that Vista as currently configured is the worst thing since Me!! (YIKES!!!)

I will wait until Vista SP 2-ish is out and a lot of the bugs are fixed to get a new computer-if all goes well.

Typical Microsoft....release a new OS that is a system hog and incomplete so that the public are the Beta testers.

I' thought about a Mac for a few moments. But all the other computers on my home network are Windows machines and how do I convert all my XP files into a Mac-friendly format?

DiscoShed wrote: Doc you're gonna love this!!!

working at Office Deport today as the greeter guy that I am. Talked to a repeat customer who is a computer tech guy.

He told me he was the local Best Buy where there was a demo computer. It has 2GB RAM and a 2GB processor-real hot stuff!

Well whenever Vista would try to load a picture on that hot number a fatal error would occur and the system would have to reboot!! Another guy could not even use anything on his task bar!! The initial judgment is that Vista as currently configured is the worst thing since Me!! (YIKES!!!)

I will wait until Vista SP 2-ish is out and a lot of the bugs are fixed to get a new computer-if all goes well.

Typical Microsoft....release a new OS that is a system hog and incomplete so that the public are the Beta testers.

I' thought about a Mac for a few moments. But all the other computers on my home network are Windows machines and how do I convert all my XP files into a Mac-friendly format?

A mac will read most of them, and where it wont there will be convertors. I would buy a mac, but I love tinkering with computers too much, and the impression I always got from Macs is that it's either the most retatrd point and drool config options, or seriously deep hacking for which you need to know what yer doing. I could always buy a mac and install linux, but WTF is the point.

Funny you should compare it to ME, cos wasn;t that mainly an eye candy and UI based job as well

We shall see, as far as I can tell at the minute, if I watch a DVD on Vista, I will instantly and forever lose access to my ASIO sound system, and goodnight Cubase.

Download it for free of E-Mule

Doctor? wrote:

DiscoShed wrote: Doc you're gonna love this!!!

working at Office Deport today as the greeter guy that I am. Talked to a repeat customer who is a computer tech guy.

He told me he was the local Best Buy where there was a demo computer. It has 2GB RAM and a 2GB processor-real hot stuff!

Well whenever Vista would try to load a picture on that hot number a fatal error would occur and the system would have to reboot!! Another guy could not even use anything on his task bar!! The initial judgment is that Vista as currently configured is the worst thing since Me!! (YIKES!!!)

I will wait until Vista SP 2-ish is out and a lot of the bugs are fixed to get a new computer-if all goes well.

Typical Microsoft....release a new OS that is a system hog and incomplete so that the public are the Beta testers.

I' thought about a Mac for a few moments. But all the other computers on my home network are Windows machines and how do I convert all my XP files into a Mac-friendly format?

A mac will read most of them, and where it wont there will be convertors. I would buy a mac, but I love tinkering with computers too much, and the impression I always got from Macs is that it's either the most retatrd point and drool config options, or seriously deep hacking for which you need to know what yer doing. I could always buy a mac and install linux, but WTF is the point.

Funny you should compare it to ME, cos wasn;t that mainly an eye candy and UI based job as well

We shall see, as far as I can tell at the minute, if I watch a DVD on Vista, I will instantly and forever lose access to my ASIO sound system, and goodnight Cubase.

I got an Me machine for free about two years ago. What a complete piece of stinking shit. Eventually was so unstable that it would have the desktop displayed on start up and just hang up there forever!!

I got a new XP SP2 box for like $600 and it has served me since. Me seemed a patch or someone's attempt to make Win 2000 into a consumer app. what a fuckin' stink bomb Me is.

I went to a local Apple Store and played with a demo model for a good hour. I liked it. Seems the Mac OS is what Vista wishes it could be. Very fast and I could definitely live with it. Felt weird cause I have always used Windows Machines so I had to get used to it.

Whenever my current machines blows up, if Vista is still a nasty security bound bitch, I would prolly get a Mac.

DiscoShed wrote: I went to a local Apple Store and played with a demo model for a good hour. I liked it. Seems the Mac OS is what Vista wishes it could be. Very fast and I could definitely live with it. Felt weird cause I have always used Windows Machines so I had to get used to it.

Whenever my current machines blows up, if Vista is still a nasty security bound bitch, I would prolly get a Mac.

Or install Linux on a PC, just as cool.

Never heard of an unstable Mac under OSX, and even under system7, you had to wreck them pretty bad to stop them behaving well....and I'm JUST the man for the job :D

The only reason I do not have a mac, is that the selection of OSX software is pathetic, whereas you can get most things for windows and anything you want for Linux.

DiscoShed wrote: I went to a local Apple Store and played with a demo model for a good hour. I liked it. Seems the Mac OS is what Vista wishes it could be. Very fast and I could definitely live with it. Felt weird cause I have always used Windows Machines so I had to get used to it.

Whenever my current machines blows up, if Vista is still a nasty security bound bitch, I would prolly get a Mac.

Macs are cool, but I'm with Cambo on this -- Linux rocks.

I remember though that my first computer was an ancient Mac -- ultimately, Macs still held up my interest since we used Macs to do the layout on the newspaper. Very cool computers for graphics indeed!

Yeh Macs are cool. We used them at my first real job. They are so easy to use. I dare say that that place went pc years ago.

One of these days, hopefully soon I'll have Linux on this machine.

Ok Cambo and pepperpot anti-Windows Brigade-I can use my wireless internet from Comcast that I current have on my Windows PC on a Mac without any changes, right??

All I really need to do is ITunes, Net surfing, IM Chat stuff (AIM, Yahoo Messenger) and an occasional report on say Microsoft Office. I can easily find all those apps for a Mac, right?

Doctor? wrote:

DiscoShed wrote: The only reason I do not have a mac, is that the selection of OSX software is pathetic, whereas you can get most things for windows and anything you want for Linux.

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I think you'd find that the selection of software available for Mac OS X is pretty fastastic. You won't see a lot of boxes on store shelves, true, but there's a ton of very high quality stuff available as shareware and freeware, not to mention the huge library of open source projects that will run on OS X's BSD-based core. If binaries aren't readily available, compile them yourself with Apple's free, included dev tools.

oh dear.

http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2007/02/11/microsoft-vista-is-a-compromise-a-replacement-is-coming-in-2009/

same story.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=6053

so it is already obsolete.

then there's this, which i actually read in my paper this morning. hum the canberra times being up with it is very strange. lol

your anti-virus may not even work properly with vista.

http://www.normantranscript.com/commerce/local_story_042004527?keyword=secondarys

http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?

i must really rush out and get this.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

From this weeks BOFH.........

"You should go to Vista."

"So you like Vista?"

"Not really, no. I run a Vista simulator."

"Virtual Server?" the Boss asks.

"Nah, I just turned on all the flashy crap in XP, changed the background image, took some memory out of my box and clocked down the CPU. Then broke Media player. Works like a charm."

"So you don't like it?"

"No. But it has does have one advantage."

"What's that?"

"It causes a clean reinstall of XP which is generally good from a defrag point of view."

BTW,Spotty, you need to check out UDEV and hotplug/coldplug, their hardware database is pretty impressive. Same old story though, anything that works painlessly in windows will work in linux, anything that bites your dick in windows probably wont play ball at all. I mean I just installed a laptop, I could NOT have done it in windows I think, but it was not much problem in Linux, only the wireless card was non-standard, but I still had a choice of a new linux native driver or wrapping the windows one and using it.

So Kirsch, we will have Vienna to complain about in 2 years. So instead of Vista SP 2 we'll have another OS tacked on top of it??? YIKES!!

did I just step on a duck or is Microsoft gonna gives us another stink bomb??

it looks like the vista replacement is due in less than two years.

yeh who need virus protection?

As of right now, I can't install Vista yet on my laptop. The uni tech support will check it out first to see if some of the XP software is compatible. The findings will be posted during the summer, I think.

[magenta]cozmonite61[/magenta] wrote: As of right now, I can't install Vista yet on my laptop. The uni tech support will check it out first to see if some of the XP software is compatible. The findings will be posted during the summer, I think.

I take it your laptop is running too fast? Why else would you be so eager to halve it's performance?

My ancient box runs XP SP2 and is getting slower with time but is ultimately more stable than any other OS's I've had the (mis)fortune to use....2000 Professional, Me, 98, 95 and 3.11

Once it dies (probably 6-12 months if I'm lucky), will I go out and buy a Vista PC? Probably not. A Mac Mini looks fan-fucking-tastic to me.

Linux...I'm not a huge computer guy, I sucked learning Java & HTML back in 2001, so how can I be expected to program my own drivers?

Sheds on a Plane wrote: My ancient box runs XP SP2 and is getting slower with time but is ultimately more stable than any other OS's I've had the (mis)fortune to use....2000 Professional, Me, 98, 95 and 3.11

Once it dies (probably 6-12 months if I'm lucky), will I go out and buy a Vista PC? Probably not. A Mac Mini looks fan-fucking-tastic to me.

Linux...I'm not a huge computer guy, I sucked learning Java & HTML back in 2001, so how can I be expected to program my own drivers?

I can't program to save my life. The last program I wrote was on my atari 15 years ago. You don't need to program anything. AND, things in Linux are human readable, editable and understandable, unlike hkey/localmachine/software...blah blah, which has a data value of 58768762c45252b41108fff629934e879875aa9766b00789979def...hardly much help unless you can actually read and fly-translate hexadecimal.

Hmmm, maybe the user-programmed driver tidbit I heard was a MS Scare Tactic...I also hear there are several different versions of Linux out there (Red Hat, Debain, etc.)...I wouldn't know where to begin if I tried to break free of Senior Cockwad's Software Stranglehold.

Sheds on a Plane wrote: Hmmm, maybe the user-programmed driver tidbit I heard was a MS Scare Tactic...I also hear there are several different versions of Linux out there (Red Hat, Debain, etc.)...I wouldn't know where to begin if I tried to break free of Senior Cockwad's Software Stranglehold.

Oh, 3rd party drivers yes, technically by users, but then by the same definition, all windows drivers are also user programmed, because the persons programming them use windows :D

The large numbers of versions is baffling to new users I admit, but it lets you pick the one that suits you best.

Fuck it, download Knoppix burn it, and boot it, no install, a fully working OS on a CD. It's a bit slow, after all it's using a CD not a hard disc, but it'll let you see what it looks like with no risk and no strings attached.

Doctor? wrote: Their plan is actually to go back to the 1960's...where your home PC is pretty much a thin clientb (a 21st century Xterm or teletype), running just a bare bones windows back end. If you want to use, say, MS word ( although why you would when openoffice exists I have no idea, the formats are compatible too), for a while, you log into MS, and use word running on an MS mainframe, paying by the minute.

Yeah I can see fucking CUBASE wortking over the internet, retards.

Trust MS to drag us back in time.

I suppose since windows is based on MSDOS, which is based QDOS (quick and dirty operating system), which was a stolen hack of CPM, which was a 1970's version of unix stripped down to the bare basics and barely functional...AND since windows is NOT an operating system but an "application management layer" (it performs almost none of the functions and old time computer operator would have done, which is what an OS is supposed to replace)...it seems a perfectly consistent thing for billy boy to try and sort out.

BTW, his foundation has donated a fortune to a company who are workingn on a way to make petrol from sugar....great Bill, the rest of us are moving towards cleaner power, and you wanna keep burning petrol after the oil runs out. Satan incarnate I tell you.

Bill Gates: When geeks turn bad.

No actually that would be Google, They are launching a full range of apps aimed at Microsoft Office. No software, nada, all hosted by Google

oh it's free for now, after 4/30/2007, only $50 person!!

Back to The Future

MS are already doing it in some strange countries like Romania, before trying to screw the rest of us.

Fuck em And Fuck google.

openoffice.org thanks very much (unless you use vista where it is deliberately blocked in an attempt to make you install MSorrifice)

Spotnick wrote:

Now come on Steve.... you and I know that if MacOs or any distribution of Linux had as many manufacturer doing drivers and softwares for their OS, it would end up doing the same thing.

Install any distribution of Windows on a PC, install Office, do nothing else, you will never have any trouble.. you start to get trouble when you deal with 3rd party softwares.

Do you mean _any_ version of windows? I just tried to install win98se on a new low-spec PC for someone who only wants to browse the web, only to find it was impossible to install because win98's default drivers don't work with the motherboard. I have the proper drivers on CD but you can't install them because you can't get to the point of having the cd drive work before windows98se install hangs! Had to fork out for XP.

What I'm really dreading is what seems to be happening with games (and to an extent with XP), that you are _forced_ to connect to the internet to register to install or even to run a given program (half life 2 I believe does this). I suppose this is ostensibly to prevent piracy, but I reckon its partly to kill the second-hand market. And how long before they start trying to move to a model of making customers pay by the minute for using a program?

and here is why people are not upgrading to Vista http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/18085

and well most hardware peripherals do not have drivers to make it compatible with Vista!!

Doctor? wrote:

openoffice.org thanks very much ....

God, I swear, Cambo, sometimes it seems like you have checked out my computer and have determined what programs I run.... it's uncanny.

but yeah, openoffice rocks. Good call!

DiscoShed wrote: and here is why people are not upgrading to Vista http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/18085

and well most hardware peripherals do not have drivers to make it compatible with Vista!!

Which is funny as hell to someone who's spent the last 6 years telling WinTrolls that shitty manufacturers holding back drivers can't actually be pinned on the OS, and being told "doesn't matter, until Linux supports my fujigyama flummomatic32, it's shit and I don;t care WHY that may be"

I reckon even the smelliest old slackware box has better hardware detection that vista (certainly it only managed to activate about half the systems on my bro's PC, systems all happy under Gentoo-Linux) and that's with fuck all support except from the very best manufacturers.

Still waiting to here from anyone who's watched a DVD on it and tried to use Cubase/Pro-Tools/Ableton....from what I can tell, one DVD and good night M-Audio Delta sound hardware, goodbye, DG-01, you name it.

Shed Peel wrote:

Doctor? wrote:

openoffice.org thanks very much ....

God, I swear, Cambo, sometimes it seems like you have checked out my computer and have determined what programs I run.... it's uncanny.

but yeah, openoffice rocks. Good call!

It just means I credit you with a clue Peely, anyone with CLUE ONE, would see that fuck all for OO.org, versus several hundred bucks for the same shit with more bugs from MS, is a simple choice. A quid says you use Firefox/Opera and probably, what?....Eudora?

Doctor? wrote:

Shed Peel wrote:

Doctor? wrote:

openoffice.org thanks very much ....

God, I swear, Cambo, sometimes it seems like you have checked out my computer and have determined what programs I run.... it's uncanny.

but yeah, openoffice rocks. Good call!

It just means I credit you with a clue Peely, anyone with CLUE ONE, would see that fuck all for OO.org, versus several hundred bucks for the same shit with more bugs from MS, is a simple choice. A quid says you use Firefox/Opera and probably, what?....Eudora?

Firefox and Eudora... yup and yup.

You're the man!

my current winbox, installed in summer 04 has NEVER had a mail client of any kind. The previous box had a dust-caked Eudora for the last 2 years of it's life, been Linux only for mail since at least 2k02.....still have the mailboxes to prove it (although everything older than jan 05 has been archived out to a quiet corner of some obscure HD partition, my home directory was looking a touch bloated with over 1GB of mail

Methinks someone needs to clean out an inbox or two...

By the by, Cambo, I'm loving Opera Mini on the mobile phone... I just installed it today.

So, I guess you were right after all with the whole Opera browser idea... I have Opera Mini running, even if it's only on my mobile phone... My word, what a handy little program.

Shed Peel wrote: Methinks someone needs to clean out an inbox or two...

By the by, Cambo, I'm loving Opera Mini on the mobile phone... I just installed it today.

So, I guess you were right after all with the whole Opera browser idea... I have Opera Mini running, even if it's only on my mobile phone... My word, what a handy little program.

My mobile phone doesn't even have the internet.

I have plans to change that soon.

first, try painting your shed through the gap under the door.

Doctor? wrote: first, try painting your shed through the gap under the door.

hum have you tried that?