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England should have sent out the Liverpool '78 squad - yup, even Emlyn Hughes (RIP) and they'd have played far better.

Seriously though, the thing that seems to be missing isn't talent, it's having someone to inspire a rather apathetic team. Not just the manager, but the FA - 'Fuck All' as they've been renamed. Players need to REALLY want to win, rather than thinking that they can rely on opponents being scared of well-paid big names. The England squad does have some very talented players, but with no real fire or desire to win.

The Scots and 'Northern' Irish on the other hand, are rather lacking in talent in the main, but have the desire to get somewhere, to prove themselves and say a big 'F-off' to people who doubt them. That really does seem far more important when you look at the international game as a whole. It certainly makes their countrymen & women far more proud of them for losing valiantly and having tried their best.

The England team hardly seemed to try.

England need someone with passion in charge of the FA, someone with passion in charge of the England team, who can instill that passion and desire in anyone who puts on an England shirt.

Still, all this means I'll have some money for a holiday next year instead of going to see England put in an apathetic performance in the finals...

Actually, that's a good thing.

THANKS for being crap, Engerland :thumb:

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El Jarvo wrote:

King John Honest John wrote: please don't bring back the home internationals.

They are bringing them back! - LINK :lol:

Er, without us?! :skeptic:

mary mother of..:banghead::banghead:

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Chris Nash wrote: England should have sent out the Liverpool '78 squad - yup, even Emlyn Hughes (RIP) and they'd have played far better.

We used to do almost that. under Greenwood.

but all our great players like Ray Kennedy, crazy horse, Terry Mac and Pinokes were shite for England. but were awesome for us, the following Saturday. :laugh:

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Apart from bits of Euro 96, bits of France 98 and the 5-1 against germany, i can't remember any england team actually playing well:confused2:

Don't know why anyone expects us to do well. We always scrape thru the qualifiers, then scrape our way to the quarters, then get slapped by a better team.

And it's only now the media have realised that England are actually not that very good on the international stage:laugh: :crazy:

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England are somehow just cursed,no? All those outstanding players past and present mentioned,and chuck in Digger Barnes too..Who ever played at the top of their game for England when it mattered most,since 66? Possibly only Ripley,Gazza,Lineker,Beardsley..Baffling really.

Home internationals would be beauty,I rek.Not for the Police,granted...they'd be shite without England,natch.

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just being cheered up watching espn classic.england beating scotland in euro 96

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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El Jarvo wrote:

Gazfella wrote: The thing is Tim,every time an international tourney comes round,English commentators/media tell us how good England are, and how UEFA/FIFA would be as well giving them the trophy before it begins,so to see them fall flat on their faces,

Gazfella, that is absolutely bollocks though, isn't it? The English meeja have been as much on this team's backs as anyone posting here. If not more so in some instances. Remember the abuse the likes of Taylor used to get in years gone by?! We absolutely destroy people in this part of the world through the press. I doubt Vogts even got such a bad slating on your side of the border.

But, once again, why let the facts get in the way of a good gossip? I really don't know where this Scottish line of Engerland thinking they're so great comes from. That's a line surely just trotted out in your press, and not ours. Shug's said summat similar here before, and he only ever reads Scottish papers too despite living in Corby!!

Word.

So you're saying that the press weren't reflecting the mood of the nation when they were banging on about "the golden generation" before Germany 06? That this was something they invented that nobody else in England believed in?

As Shug pointed out, countless interviews with the squad prior to the WC highlighted the fact that, at the very least, the English players thought they were in with a shout. I refuse to believe that this wasn't the general consensus among the fans at large as well.

Christ, I even remember Tim posting on here that he was a bit concerned that the New Order Liverpool gig last year was the day before the World Cup Final. He was worried that should England be there (ha ha) it would pose some logistical problems for him getting home to watch the match!!!

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I thought it was only Americans that didn't get irony! :laugh:

All I wanted to do was get home and watch Scotland vs Wales in the final!

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oldmonkey wrote: I thought it was only Americans that didn't get irony! :laugh:

All I wanted to do was get home and watch Scotland vs Wales in the final!

:laugh:

When I've got a spare three hours I'm gonna dig that post of yours out from the archives. I remember it being said with a very (virtual) straight face!

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GlasVegas wrote:

oldmonkey wrote: I thought it was only Americans that didn't get irony! :laugh:

All I wanted to do was get home and watch Scotland vs Wales in the final!

:laugh:

When I've got a spare three hours I'm gonna dig that post of yours out from the archives. I remember it being said with a very (virtual) straight face!

Why do you think we want the archives binning? :laugh:

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Bonzette wrote:

Shug wrote: I was being deadly serious in a tongue in cheek way.

For the team that Engerland have, how can they be so poor?

Come on Shug - get with it mate! You didn't imagine those comments at all, because at the time (Euro 2004) it was true. England were playing (like it or not) really well as a team and there was defo a strong team spirit. We know that although Sven was in charge, Gerrard, lampard and beckam were pretty much also calling the shots about team play and formation.

You know the dynamics of a team changes on a season by season basis - it never stays the same. The squad England had in 2004 is totally different to the squad they have now. Totally. Even the players that are still there have aged, e.g. Beckham 4 years ago is not the same player he was, and look at Campbell - outstanding a few years ago, but well past it now - Carragher is gone, a real loss....

I could roll on with this argument, but think it's just common sense to not compare the team of today, to something that happened 4 years ago when the situation and squad was entirely different, be it players, ages or managers!

The squad England had to field on Wednesday was barely recognisable - even you must appreciate that. We don't have a good squad now - that's the truth, hence we were not good enough to qualify and that's why we did not. No question or debate in my eyes!

Agreed, Team dynamics definitely change, I did say the papers have calmed down since the last WC. I know McLaren was useless, but you'd have thought the players would want to put up a fight. The team you fielded on Wednesday, should still be able to beat Croatia at home. Espescially when they know they need a win to top the group, or at worst a draw.

I hate to say it, but MON is exactly the right person for the job.

I just hope he doesn't take it ;)

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Shug wrote: I'll have you know I buy the DAILY STAR (for the articles) every day along with the Record and I read The Sun that one of the other lads brings in :nod:

The papers have calmed down a wee bit over the last year or so, cos the realisation has kicked in that England just aren't good enough (and for the team of players you have, it's a disgrace you cannae get past the QF's or even qualify)

Having said that, I seem to recall all the interviews before the 2006 WC and 2004 EC's. Not only were the "meedja" getting far too excited, but there were interviews with Neville and Gerrard stating this is the "best squad" we've ever had and have a good chance of winning.

I certainly didnae imagine them interviews :smoking:

oh, well if it;s in the daily star & The sun it must be true. they are the pinnacle of modern journalism after all. :rolleyes:

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The trick with stories/interviews is to read the quotes Dave.

:shades:

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& those "papers" never take quotes out of context do they? :skeptic:

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hibster wrote: & those "papers" never take quotes out of context do they? :skeptic:

Not if yer clever.

CONCENTRATE on the QUOTES and ignore the rest of the stuff put together by the hacks mate.

;)

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doesn't matter - they are selected snippets of what was said, almost obita dictum.

have you ever been to a press conference?

having said that - i agree that the press have been guilty of eulogising the engerlish chances on more than one occasion.

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