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U.S. corn boom has downside for Gulf

By HENRY C. JACKSON, Associated Press Writer Mon Dec 17, 4:02 PM ET

JEFFERSON, Iowa - Because of rising demand for ethanol, American farmers are growing more corn than at any time since World War II. And sea life in the Gulf of Mexico is paying the price.

The nation's corn crop is fertilized with millions of pounds of nitrogen-based fertilizer. And when that nitrogen runs off fields in Corn Belt states, it makes its way to the Mississippi River and eventually pours into the Gulf, where it contributes to a growing "dead zone" — a 7,900-square-mile patch so depleted of oxygen that fish, crabs and shrimp suffocate.

The dead zone was discovered in 1985 and has grown fairly steadily since then, forcing fishermen to venture farther and farther out to sea to find their catch. For decades, fertilizer has been considered the prime cause of the lifeless spot.

With demand for corn booming, some researchers fear the dead zone will expand rapidly, with devastating consequences.

"We might be coming close to a tipping point," said Matt Rota, director of the water resources program for the New Orleans-based Gulf Restoration Network, an environmental group. "The ecosystem might change or collapse as opposed to being just impacted."

Environmentalists had hoped to cut nitrogen runoff by encouraging farmers to apply less fertilizer and establish buffers along waterways. But the demand for the corn-based fuel additive ethanol has driven up the price for the crop, which is selling for about $4 per bushel, up from a little more than $2 in 2002.

That enticed American farmers — mostly in Iowa, Illinois, Minnesota, North Dakota and South Dakota — to plant more than 93 million acres of corn in 2007, the most since 1944. They substituted corn for other crops, or made use of land not previously in cultivation.

Corn is more "leaky" than crops such as soybean and alfalfa — that is, it absorbs less nitrogen per acre. The prime reasons are the drainage systems used in corn fields and the timing of when the fertilizer is applied.

The Environmental Protection Agency estimates that up to 210 million pounds of nitrogen fertilizer enter the Gulf of Mexico each year. Scientists had no immediate estimate for 2007, but said they expect the amount of fertilizer going into streams to increase with more acres of corn planted.

"Corn agriculture practices release a lot of nitrogen," said Donald Scavia, a University of Michigan professor who has studied corn fertilizer's effect on the dead zone. "More corn equals more nitrogen pollution."

Farmers realize the connection between their crop and problems downstream, but with the price of corn soaring, it doesn't make sense to grow anything else. And growing corn isn't profitable without nitrogen-based fertilizer.

"I think you have to try to be a good steward of the land," said Jerry Peckumn, who farms corn and soybeans on about 2,000 acres he owns or leases near the Iowa community of Jefferson. "But on the other hand, you can't ignore the price of corn."

Peckumn grows alfalfa and natural grass on the 220 or so acres he owns, but said he cannot afford to experiment on the land he rents.

The dead zone typically begins in the spring and persists into the summer. Its size and location vary each year because of currents, weather and other factors, but it is generally near the mouth of the Mississippi.

This year, it is the third-biggest on record. It was larger in 2002 and 2001, when it covered 8,500 and 8,006 square miles respectively.

Soil erosion, sewage and industrial pollution also contribute to the dead zone, but fertilizer is believed to be the chief factor.

Fertilizer causes explosive growth of algae, which then dies and sinks to the bottom, where it sucks up oxygen as it decays. This creates a deep layer of oxygen-depleted ocean where creatures either escape or die.

Bottom-dwelling species such as crabs and oysters are most at risk, said Michelle Perez, an analyst with the Washington-based Environmental Working Group. "They struggle to survive," Perez said. "They can't swim away."

Crabbers complained at a meeting in Louisiana earlier this year that they pulled up bucket upon bucket of dead crabs.

Rota warned that if the corn boom continues, the Gulf of Mexico could see an "ecological regime change." The fear is that the zone will grow so big that most sea life won't be able to escape it, leading to an even bigger die-off.

"People's livelihood depends on the shrimp, fish and crabs in these waters," he said. "Already, some of these shrimpers are traveling longer and longer distances to catch anything."

Given the market pressure to grow corn, the Natural Resources Defense Council and others argue that the nation needs a comprehensive, federal approach to the problem.

Among the ideas floated: rules to force farmers to use fertilizers with more care, and the establishment of buffer zones to contain runoff.

(This version CORRECTS that this is the most corn cultivated since 1944, instead of 1933. )

hehehehe...AL GORE is an idiot...

We just need that professor from Back To The Future to solve this one for us...a car that runs on a food processor....

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Fuel from Corn (Maize to non-Americans) has very little potential net gain overall, if any, in energy or pollution over petroleum if you consider the whole process of growing to processing to using. It cannot replace petroleum, there could never be enough corn fields... according to most experts except the corn lobbyists and others who hope to profit from it.

... i just hope they stop putting corn sugar in Pepsi since they need the corn to pretend to replace oil, something could at least good will come out of it

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Only Mexican cousine has mostly corn. Does everybody eat that much Texmex?

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TexMex is crap, real Mexican food is where its at... carne asada burrito with rice, guacamole, fresh pico de gyo... with a nice glass of Horchata:thumb:

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Is this just a Yank thread,

or can anyone join in...:confused2:

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you brits wish you had good mexican food over there

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His Holiness, The Pope wrote: you brits wish you had good mexican food over there

We do in a couple of places, there's a Mexican-run restaurant not too far from me, and I recently found a Mexican shop that sells imported stuff. Quality!

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no..

and 'cos so much is going into gas-guzzling 5-litre SUV's , there won't be any left to make bread and Monster Munch. So you can drive to the shops, but there'll be nowt in them.

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pumped full of drugs wrote: Fuel from Corn (Maize to non-Americans) has very little potential net gain overall, if any, in energy or pollution over petroleum if you consider the whole process of growing to processing to using. It cannot replace petroleum, there could never be enough corn fields... according to most experts except the corn lobbyists and others who hope to profit from it.

... i just hope they stop putting corn sugar in Pepsi since they need the corn to pretend to replace oil, something could at least good will come out of it

Agreed. I don't think Al Gore is an idiot particularly, but such bio fuel that uses food crops (maize, sugar cane etc....) is driving the prices of such things and related things higher over here in Japan. The manufacturers and the government say it's because the produce that's made to feed to world and such is now going to fuel related items especially in the US.

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BORE!!!! RING!!!!

:laugh:

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King John Honest John wrote: BORE!!!! RING!!!!

:laugh:

Then start an interesting thread...ya poof!

:finger:

:p

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King John Honest John wrote: BORE!!!! RING!!!!

:laugh:

Hey! Mexican food are not boring!:food:

But then, talking about biofuel is.:lol:

Indeed!

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This thread is making me want some enchiladas with guacamole and sour cream.

Also, Americans should go back to just using sugar in their sodas. The Mexicans still do that (at least with the soda they import up here).

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Gazman wrote: Is this just a Yank thread,

or can anyone join in...:confused2:

Well I guess you can talk about yer beloved fish 'n chips, but I really don't see how it related:confused2:

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Any fuel to be used in US will be insufficient and highly pollutive. The problem is not the fuel :lol:

BTW, mexican food is crap. Beside americans, I don`t know much people who appreciates the mexican culinary.

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Server Error in "/" Application wrote: Any fuel to be used in US will be insufficient and highly pollutive. The problem is not the fuel :lol:

BTW, mexican food is crap. Beside americans, I don`t know much people who appreciates the mexican culinary.

Yeah, I'll take Chinese Stir Fried Cat ANY DAY!!!

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EdelBrock wrote:

Gazman wrote: Is this just a Yank thread,

or can anyone join in...:confused2:

Well I guess you can talk about yer beloved fish 'n chips, but I really don't see how it related:confused2:

Is Mexican food American, then? :scratch: :evil4:

:smoking:

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Nick King wrote:

EdelBrock wrote:

Gazman wrote: Is this just a Yank thread,

or can anyone join in...:confused2:

Well I guess you can talk about yer beloved fish 'n chips, but I really don't see how it related:confused2:

Is Mexican food American, then? :scratch: :evil4:

:smoking:

Nick, I can't speak for what you guys get...but most of what passes for Mexican in the States ain't really Mexican...

now having said that, how the fuck have you clowns taken my ethanol thread and turned it into a fucking food thread...

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EdelBrock wrote: TexMex is crap, real Mexican food is where its at... carne asada burrito with rice, guacamole, fresh pico de gyo... with a nice glass of Horchata:thumb:

Easy!!!!!!:angry: :angry: :angry:

Tex-Mex kicks all sorts of arse. It's only when I leave the Great State of Texas and someone tries to foist "Mexican" food on me that I remember just how good Tex-Mex is.

For the Texan's here, I think the best chain Tex-Mex is El Fenix or Pappasitos. I know we all have our favorite mom and pop operations.............

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Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: Nick, I can't speak for what you guys get...but most of what passes for Mexican in the States ain't really Mexican...

now having said that, how the fuck have you clowns taken my ethanol thread and turned it into a fucking food thread...

True, especially if it's from a Taco Bell (I actually quite liked the food from that "restaurant", but then that was back in about 1980)! :p

A food thread is always better than ethanol... :)

:smoking:

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Nick King wrote:

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: Nick, I can't speak for what you guys get...but most of what passes for Mexican in the States ain't really Mexican...

now having said that, how the fuck have you clowns taken my ethanol thread and turned it into a fucking food thread...

True, especially if it's from a Taco Bell (I actually quite liked the food from that "restaurant", but then that was back in about 1980)! :p

A food thread is always better than ethanol... :)

:smoking:

Taco Bell or if yer a Texan, it just isn't Mexican... So Cal fortunately has untainted Mexican food, with unbelievablely large portions for only $5.:thumb:

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Remember seeing some comedian pointing out, rightly as it happens, that all mexican food is just the exact same dish, folded differently.

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