A Child has gone missing in Dewsbury
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Uncle Liam wrote: and nobody cares...
And yet we still hear about that wee girl who's parents killed her in Portugal, and run their "find our daughter" "charity" as a business.
Pathetic.
Doctor? wrote:
Uncle Liam wrote: and nobody cares...
And yet we still hear about that wee girl who's parents killed her in Portugal, and run their "find our daughter" "charity" as a business.
Pathetic.
Is that comment some kinda joke or are you being a total cunt?
GlasVegas wrote:
Doctor? wrote:
Uncle Liam wrote: and nobody cares...
And yet we still hear about that wee girl who's parents killed her in Portugal, and run their "find our daughter" "charity" as a business.
Pathetic.
Is that comment some kinda joke or are you being a total cunt?
Well how come the child of a couple of (at best) neglective parents is STILL front page news, when other kids go missing every day?
And don't they pay their mortgage out of the "find maddy" fund?
And I was under the impression that they registered it as a limited company not a charity, I'll have to verify that though.
As was pointed out at the time, if this was Wayne and Waynetta slob who'd gone out on the piss and come back to see little frogmella missing, there would have been nothing but derision for the parents, but because they are people of education (and should presumably therefor, know better), everyone is all sympathy for them.
And I still think they did it themselves, there's something about a mum who goes out jogging for a smiley photo-op when she's supposed to be worried about her little girl's wheraabouts.
Does it make me a cunt to think that maybe THIS little girl's family should get the same treatment as the McCanns?
I think it is poor taste exclaiming outright that the McCanns killed their daughter when there's pretty much no proof. If there was - incompetent cops or no - I think they'd at least be in custody by now.
However inappropriate their publicity campaign may seem to be at times I think laying a child's murder at their door speculatively is jumping the gun a bit.
Besides, I don't think they're allowed to withdraw anything from their charitable fund to pay their mortgage... could be wrong though.
Doctor? wrote: Does it make me a cunt to think that maybe THIS little girl's family should get the same treatment as the McCanns?
That isn't really the point you were making, Cambo.
You basically used another girl's disappearance to then have a less-than-thinly-veiled pop at the McCanns.
Which is quite cuntish, no?
Ally wrote: I think it is poor taste exclaiming outright that the McCanns killed their daughter when there's pretty much no proof. If there was - incompetent cops or no - I think they'd at least be in custody by now.
However inappropriate their publicity campaign may seem to be at times I think laying a child's murder at their door speculatively is jumping the gun a bit.
Besides, I don't think they're allowed to withdraw anything from their charitable fund to pay their mortgage... could be wrong though.
Ally making the point I was gonna make in much milder and perhaps more reasoned terms.
I myself made the "Wayne and Waynetta" anology on these very boards way back when it happened. Critcising the media coverage and consequent public reaction to this case is far far different from the evil, insesnsitive Daily Mail-esque conspiracy shite posted by "Doctor".
El Jarvo wrote:
Doctor? wrote: Does it make me a cunt to think that maybe THIS little girl's family should get the same treatment as the McCanns?
That isn't really the point you were making, Cambo.
You basically used another girl's disappearance to then have a less-than-thinly-veiled pop at the McCanns.
Which is quite cuntish, no?
Actually it WAS the very point I set out to make, it's just that the moment they cross my mind I get really angry, and I got a touch carried away.
It REALLY winds my watch that dozens of mums are crying themselves to sleep over missing children every month, and we hear so little, yet every day there's yet more Maddie nonsense.
I couldn't even tell you what Mr McCann looks like, but the Mrs sets all manner of alarm bells rining every time I see a pic of her, never mind read about her.
However, possibly not the right time or place, so I'll take the cuntish branding for this with good grace and walk away.
GlasVegas wrote: Daily Mail-esque conspiracy shite posted by "Doctor".
Surely The Mail believes that poor sweet maddie was abducted and sold into slavery by filthy foreigners, and that British people like the McCanns don't commit crimes?
Or have I been seeing different Mail headlines to you?
Doctor? wrote:
GlasVegas wrote: Daily Mail-esque conspiracy shite posted by "Doctor".
Surely The Mail believes that poor sweet maddie was abducted and sold into slavery by filthy foreigners, and that British people like the McCanns don't commit crimes?
Or have I been seeing different Mail headlines to you?
??? Did you not just say in your previous post that you were gonna accept you were out of order and walk away? Or do you always need to have the last word?
FYI the Mail was the first rag I saw to publish a DPS on the theories as to why parents "might" be involved. Of course, only a halfwit would have bought into any of these "theories". Or someone who thinks that Mrs McCann "just looks like a wrong 'un". Very scientific.
I must admit, I was surprised to see the McCann parents smiling for the press and the dad kicking a football around just 10 days or so after the girl's disappearance. I'm not saying that makes them guilty of anything, but if it was my child, I'd be far too upset for anything like that.
The story of the missing girl from Dewsbury has been on the news every day here so far, so maybe Liam has just missed the programmes covering it.
Fair point, Chris. But I do think that just because you don't appreciate the way they've dealt with the loss or how they come across on telly is a good enough reason to assume they automatically killed their daughter. A bit far, no?
Which seems to be Cambo's dubious point of view here.
Besides, I think recently the whole McCann thing has quietened down as well. I certainly haven't heard it in the news a fraction as much as I did 6-8 months ago
The McCann case all reminds me a bit of the Chamberlain case here, you know "a dingo ate my baby." Lindy (the mother) also was deemed not to be showing enough sorrow by a large proportion of the public here.
Grief is from a first had experience is a funny thing. It often sets in a good months to six weeks after the event, just when people expect you to be over it. Until then you can pretend that it didn't happen. That is why people may not be reacting to a loss the way Joe Public may be expecting them to.
I'm willing to give the parents the benefit of the doubt. Sure there are many more missing children, but that doesn't lessen the the tragedy.
Chris Nash wrote: I must admit, I was surprised to see the McCann parents smiling for the press and the dad kicking a football around just 10 days or so after the girl's disappearance. I'm not saying that makes them guilty of anything, but if it was my child, I'd be far too upset for anything like that.
The story of the missing girl from Dewsbury has been on the news every day here so far, so maybe Liam has just missed the programmes covering it.
I listen to Radio Five live for hours everyday. And I watch News 24 for at least an hour. Apart from last Wednesday, this story has not been covered at all. It hasnt even been on the front pages of any of the papers. This is a nine year old who has been abducted, yet I have absolutely no idea what she looks like.
Could someone please explain the correct rules of behaviour to be observed when one's child goes missing?
The McCanns are doing what they can. It's no good sitting around crying when they have other children to bring up. They have the means and drive to do something that they think is positive.
At least they can tell their other kids that they tried.
There's simply no use in crying about disparities in media coverage of similar events. Some headlines sell newspapers more than others - that's a fact that the editors have learned and that's why some stories get done to death and others.
In actual fact, Liam, what difference does it make if a missing child story is covered extensively or not? What is the practical effect on the chances of recovery or conviction of whoever is responsible? Very little I would have thought.
Think it's been amongst the headline news on the BBC website ever since last Wednesday...
In fact, this is today's slant on it.
Fingers crossed that they find her... :(
I hope both Shannon and Maddie turn up safe and well.
I'm with agreement with Liam on this one. Yes, I know children go missing every year and not all of them are reported locally, never mind in the national or international news. But Maddie's disappearance was constantly the main headline on the news - even having extended news bulletins at one point just to cover Maddie's disappearance. The news for Shannon is reduced to what, a couple of minutes in each bulletin?
I mean, the majority of the papers today went with 'who was wearing what dress at the Oscars'. FFS, who really gives a shit?!!! More pictures of Shannon would have been better to keep her image in everyone's minds, just in the off-chance that someone might spot her...
As for McCanns, don't get me started. They bugger off for a nice night out with their mates and leave THREE kiddies on their own and nothing has been said in the media about that
Sam the Stokie wrote:
As for McCanns, don't get me started. They bugger off for a nice night out with their mates and leave THREE kiddies on their own and nothing has been said in the media about that
Actually Sam they have been widely criticised in the media for this. It sparked quite a debate on the matter, it seems a lot of people do this while on holiday. If there's one good thing to come out of this, I should imagine people will think twice about leaving their children again.
Marvin wrote:
Sam the Stokie wrote:
As for McCanns, don't get me started. They bugger off for a nice night out with their mates and leave THREE kiddies on their own and nothing has been said in the media about that
Actually Sam they have been widely criticised in the media for this. It sparked quite a debate on the matter, it seems a lot of people do this while on holiday. If there's one good thing to come out of this, I should imagine people will think twice about leaving their children again.
Have they? I must have missed it. I can remember a couple of journalists being critical but that was it. Stupid me, journalists don't tell the truth do they? 
Sam the Stokie wrote: As for McCanns, don't get me started. They bugger off for a nice night out with their mates and leave THREE kiddies on their own and nothing has been said in the media about that
Blimey Sam, don't you think the McCanns have suffered enough or aren't painfully aware of their own failings that night?
They've got to live with this for the rest of their lives. But why waste a great opportunity to kick them at their lowest ebb and take the moral high ground. Strewth.
Nothing was said about this child in Dewsbury over here so far, but we all know the McCanns.
How the hell did it become so widely covered by the media here ? I do not live in Portugal nor in the UK, how can I be aware of that while French kids I never heard about are still missing ?
The amount of coverage a case gets is purely dependent on how many newspapers it will sell, how much higher it will push viewing figures etc.
I think the reasons that the McCann case was so widely reported were the circumstances. Family on holiday and something awful happens. Any nationality thinking they'll visit a popular holiday resort will be interested. The news sells. There's the added editorial angle about the McCanns - were they to blame or not? It's got people talking here still. It sells.
There's been extensive coverage of Shannon's case, but about the only news angle they currently have to go on is: 'Little girl goes missing on her way home, she hasn't been found yet.'
If that's all they have to report, people will, unfortunately, lose interest for the most part.
In the same way, it's naiive and counter-idealistic to even suppose that any missing child is more likely to be reported on the basis of perceived class, wealth, home location or ethnic origin, especially when the general perception of class has altered beyond any of the generally 'accepted' boundaries of the past.
Look at the Bulger case, Sarah Payne, Rhys Jones, etc. Kids from supposed 'working class' backgrounds, not wealthy...
I know Croxteth where Rhys was killed. You wouldn't call it a wealthy area, a 'posh' area' and it's not an area that most people outside of its immediate surrounding really give a toss about. The incident received plent of publicity though.
There was a news angle that would SELL.
How about the thousands of missing teenagers (and younger)who run away from home or are abducted each year?
Sales figures dictate 'reportable' news, rather than other social factors. Sell more papers, you sell more advertising space, etc.
And I really must disagree with Sam (sorry) - FAR more people are more interested in The Oscars than another story of a missing child. It's very sad, but it's a fact. People prefer entertainment and celebrities than bad news and companies would far rather have their latest home cinema advertised next to a grinning Daniel Day-Lewis than opposite a picture of a distraught mother. It's advertising psychology.
Regardless of all that, I'm still another one who would like to think that any children currently missing are returned safely to their families, whether or not the case gets onto the front page of a paper, the BBC headlines or whatever else.
Chris Nash wrote: There was a news angle that would SELL.
So right... Therefore, people will talk about it, be moved by it or will elaborate all kind of theories at the local pub.
El Jarvo wrote:
Sam the Stokie wrote: As for McCanns, don't get me started. They bugger off for a nice night out with their mates and leave THREE kiddies on their own and nothing has been said in the media about that
Blimey Sam, don't you think the McCanns have suffered enough or aren't painfully aware of their own failings that night?
They've got to live with this for the rest of their lives. But why waste a great opportunity to kick them at their lowest ebb and take the moral high ground. Strewth.
I have to agree with Sam, the fact that they left their young children alone is despicable. My brother went to the same resort and one of the reasons he picked it was because of the child care facility's that they have there.
I do agree with Al that the McCanns must be torn apart by their failings as parents, but surely they would be the first to say that they were wrong in that and want other parents* to be aware to never put their children at risk in that way.
*who are equally neglectful
El Jarvo wrote:
Blimey Sam, don't you think the McCanns have suffered enough or aren't painfully aware of their own failings that night?
I'm sure that is true.
However, it is Gerry McCann himself who keeps saying 'We played no part in Maddie's disappearance'. If they had just stood up and said 'We fucked up in the biggest possible way' then I'm sure the public, press and possibly police opinion of them would be a lot different.
Dear, oh dear. Shall we all go back to Cambo's original comments on this thread ... and also Chris's level-headed appraisal of the situation.
Liam originally said that a child had gone missing in Dewsbury ... and no-one cared.
And Steveo said, Yeah, but we still hear about the McCanns all the time instead.
And which way has this one swung?
Appears people would rather talk about the McCanns. And not even Maddie McCann, people would rather just make snide potshots at the parents. Cos, of course, they really haven't suffered enough already, have they? And they deserve to be called every name under the sun because they probably don't even realise they've done wrong and are living it up on the back of all this.
Fcuk me, it's like the Daily Express right here. 
El Jarvo wrote: Dear, oh dear. Shall we all go back to Cambo's original comments on this thread ... and also Chris's level-headed appraisal of the situation.
Liam originally said that a child had gone missing in Dewsbury ... and no-one cared.
And Steveo said, Yeah, but we still hear about the McCanns all the time instead.
And which way has this one swung?
Appears people would rather talk about the McCanns. And not even Maddie McCann, people would rather just make snide potshots at the parents. Cos, of course, they really haven't suffered enough already, have they? And they deserve to be called every name under the sun because they probably don't even realise they've done wrong and are living it up on the back of all this.
Fcuk me, it's like the Daily Express right here.
A great summation. And I agree, the mindset of some who have posted on this thread is really depressing.
There's something fishy about the McCann's IMO. Why would two very suppousedly intelligent people leave three very very litte kiddywinks all alone? The swift launch of the post kidnap media campaign also had a whiff or preplanning about it. I could be wrong though...
Anyway, rather than bemoaning and arguing the fact that no-one cares about this new missing child, why not haul your ass into the real world and go help with the search effort?
Far more productive, no?
Chris Nash wrote: Haven't seen the News yet, but that's erm... really good news
Definitely! 
Latest is that she was found in her grandparents' house underneath the bed...
Hmmm... 
Snorrimon wrote: Under the bed, but not at grandparent's house by the looks of things...
Just seen Sky News - hidden in the base of a bed, rather than just under it.
Not nice.
Like something from a film, isn't it.
Awful.
If things are as they seem to be now, we can 'look forward' to another spirited defence like that guy Huntly put forward.
Must take amazing restraint from the law when they're processing someone for this kind of thing.
I bet they all wash their hands well at the end of their shift.
Thank god she has been found alive! 
Hope she can get over her ordeal.
If that bastard who's abducted her has hurt her in ANY way then he deserves to die!
Snorrimon wrote: Under the bed, but not at grandparent's house by the looks of things...
Snorri xxx
That was an early report - didn't think it was all that credible (grandparent's house)...
Anyway, glad they found her alive!
Sky News are referring to the man arrested as 'believed to be a relative of the girl's stepfather'.
It'll be on the front pages for the next few days, because now there's a news angle.
Hope she's okay and hasn't suffered too much trauma from whatever happened to her.
So glad that there's a 'happy' ending to at least one news story. 
MONTY wrote: Shannon's mum seems to think her daughter was abducted out of malice towards HER.
There must a lot more to this than we currently know I reckon. Sure it will develop in next few days.
I just smell something fishy, and it's not the out of date cod fillet in my fridge.
Sad to say, but I suspect a feeble attempt by the mother at getting a few quid out of the papers.
Tim wrote: Sad to say, but I suspect a feeble attempt by the mother at getting a few quid out of the papers.
That's what i was going to say, but thought it a bit early to say it. I was waiting on tomorrows papers.
If that is the case, then the McCanns and more importantly the media, have a fair bit to answer for.
MONTY wrote: Shannon's mum seems to think her daughter was abducted out of malice towards HER.
well some women are paranoid over nothing
This is why we cant allow people like this to carry on breeding, I dont necessarily mean the working class, but the sort of people who literally dont know anything except how to eat and fuck. To quote Ian Paisley 'they breed like vermin'.
Education is not the answer because they are usually so dysfunctional it would be wasted on them.
Destroy all acoustic guitars wrote: This is why we cant allow people like this to carry on breeding, I dont necessarily mean the working class, but the sort of people who literally dont know anything except how to eat and fuck. To quote Ian Paisley 'they breed like vermin'.
Education is not the answer because they are usually so dysfunctional it would be wasted on them.
Some people used to think like that in Czechoslovakia. That was mainly aimed at the gypsies who were only able to eat, fuck and steal. When a gypsy woman was braught to the hospital (for something like a broken arm) they fixed her arm and, during the anaesthesia, they also used to take the time to sterilize her...
Do you mean something like this ?
I seem to remember some bunch in nicely designed uniforms sterilizing people around 70 years ago. You could even have a break in a camp of their choice while they did it... 
Chris Nash wrote: I seem to remember some bunch in nicely designed uniforms sterilizing people around 70 years ago. You could even have a break in a camp of their choice while they did it...
The kind of camps where Work makes Free ? That is also what I often think of when I was living there...
It always begins with ghettos. What are some of our current suburbs if not modern ghettos of our consumer society ?
Edit : I'll stop here, this is out of subject.
Jiphy wrote:
Destroy all acoustic guitars wrote: This is why we cant allow people like this to carry on breeding, I dont necessarily mean the working class, but the sort of people who literally dont know anything except how to eat and fuck. To quote Ian Paisley 'they breed like vermin'.
Education is not the answer because they are usually so dysfunctional it would be wasted on them.
Some people used to think like that in Czechoslovakia. That was mainly aimed at the gypsies who were only able to eat, fuck and steal. When a gypsy woman was braught to the hospital (for something like a broken arm) they fixed her arm and, during the anaesthesia, they also used to take the time to sterilize her...
Do you mean something like this ?
Quite possibly yes
The latest I've heard is that the stepfather's uncle's a suspect. I'm willing to bet that Shannon's mum and stepfather will split up over this.
Destroy all acoustic guitars wrote:
Jiphy wrote:
Destroy all acoustic guitars wrote: This is why we cant allow people like this to carry on breeding, I dont necessarily mean the working class, but the sort of people who literally dont know anything except how to eat and fuck. To quote Ian Paisley 'they breed like vermin'.
Education is not the answer because they are usually so dysfunctional it would be wasted on them.
Some people used to think like that in Czechoslovakia. That was mainly aimed at the gypsies who were only able to eat, fuck and steal. When a gypsy woman was braught to the hospital (for something like a broken arm) they fixed her arm and, during the anaesthesia, they also used to take the time to sterilize her...
Do you mean something like this ?
Quite possibly yes
They could make it so you need a license to fuck, and only qualified people could have sex. Think of all the problems this could solve.
Just heard a rumour on another site (please note that this is only a rumour at this point, so don't quote me on it) that Shannon was deliberately taken so that the family could sell their story to the press and make money. The person who wrote the post wasn't sure if the mother knew anything about it or if it was totally the stepfather's family's idea. All I can say is, I sincerely hope it's not true. If it is, I've never heard anything so sick!
Glad she's been found safe, but the kiddywink is 9 and was left to walk half a mile home from school by herself- Parental neglect by any stretch of the imagination! Another case of hang on a minute, aren't the parents partly to blame?
what is wrong with walking half a mile home aged 9? its a worry that so many kids dont walk but get driven everywhere, how is that teaching kids to be streetwise?
[pink]TheBeardOfTheSkyDemon[/pink] wrote: Glad she's been found safe, but the kiddywink is 9 and was left to walk half a mile home from school by herself- Parental neglect by any stretch of the imagination! Another case of hang on a minute, aren't the parents partly to blame?
Even by your pathetic standards Craig, this is stupid.
When I was nine, I walked the mile and a half to school and back again everyday. My little brother, who is nine, and my little sister who is eight, also walk to and from school every day on their own. Is my mother therefore a bad parent?
If you had bothered to find anything out about this story, then you'll have noticed that she was taken by a family member. Chances are she initially went along with this man of her own free will.
Uncle Liam wrote:
[pink]TheBeardOfTheSkyDemon[/pink] wrote: Glad she's been found safe, but the kiddywink is 9 and was left to walk half a mile home from school by herself- Parental neglect by any stretch of the imagination! Another case of hang on a minute, aren't the parents partly to blame?
Even by your pathetic standards Craig, this is stupid.
When I was nine, I walked the mile and a half to school and back again everyday. My little brother, who is nine, and my little sister who is eight, also walk to and from school every day on their own. Is my mother therefore a bad parent?
I agree with Liam.
Not only that.I also think a kid should be able to hunt,fish,fight and climb by age 9,like Spartans.
Come the apocolypse,they'll be in good stead
Unless they are daughters..then never let them out of your sight until they are 28ish. :knight: 
Good this girl is safe..Not sure what to make of it yet.Too many fucking weirdo scum in the world,sadly..
Uncle Liam wrote: When I was nine, I walked the mile and a half to school and back again everyday. My little brother, who is nine, and my little sister who is eight, also walk to and from school every day on their own. Is my mother therefore a bad parent?
I used to wander home from primary school without parental supervision mostly every day. Typically, any kid with an ounce of common sense doesn't go with strangers or creates alot of noise if an unknown adult starts hassling them.
The problem with this Shannon case is the person who abducted her was technically a family member (or step-family) so she probably saw no harm in initially going with him.
While there are lots of sick twats out there, molly coddling kids and escorting them every step of the way from their bedroom to their classroom is barmy and hardly sets the child's mind up properly for self-sufficiency in later life.
Boatraceface wrote:
Not only that.I also think a kid should be able to hunt,fish,fight and climb by age 9,like Spartans.
and been up in front of the Childrens Panel at least once
True. It may have been a family member who did the deed, but, given that the streets are getting more dangerous, for my daughters i'd / i'll wait until she's a little older until letting her walk half a mile alone, maybe 12-ish, depends how sussed the kid is as well.
Did anyone watch that fly on the wall documentary last night on Channel 4.
Pure spides and millies there and they actually seemed to be loving the attention . Also one of the dolls was actually slagging off the McCanns for being rich etc. They have bloody worked hard and I bet they would give it all up to have her back . There is no comparison
I also believe that Shannon is not back home yet - says it all really !!!
Snoopy wrote: Did anyone watch that fly on the wall documentary last night on Channel 4.
Pure spides and millies there and they actually seemed to be loving the attention . Also one of the dolls was actually slagging off the McCanns for being rich etc. They have bloody worked hard and I bet they would give it all up to have her back . There is no comparison
I also believe that Shannon is not back home yet - says it all really !!!
I shouldn't think the poor girl wants to go home.The house is a shithole and the mother is a fucking moron.
