Thatcher taken to hospital...
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the ambulance driver should have told her to go on a bike. is it an NHS hospital? .I'd hope she doesnt request some milk.
i bet some people like i.e.'nutts' are very concerned for her 
hope she doesn't die but gets cryogenicaly frozen, otherwise we'll have all the tributes when she goes & i don't want the psycho bitch getting any good reviews anywhere
I aint no conservative, far from it. Very far.
Me dad was on picket lines in Warrington fighting for the printers. Fightin the pigs.
But to wish death on someone is a bit harsh innit?
Just how strong are your political beliefs?
that strong you wish death?
fuck me, I thought we were civilsed.
Nick King wrote:
Let's hope it's for good this time!
No matter what peoples opinion on politics are, wishing an 82 year old Grandmother to die is just scum!
She was a lousy Prime Minister, presiding over a hateful period in British history. Most of what she did was influenced by her own self-advancement or vengeance against groups that she felt animosity towards. Groups like 'working men' or 'sick people' or 'the elderly'. Her government pillaged the country of it's wealth, decimated the Health Service, education system, public services and just about anything else that was any good. She managed this during a period of global prosperity, when most other countries' economy were recovering following the various crises of the 70s. Trough her promotion of the politics of hate and negativity she also changed the political agenda of this country, paving the way for the spin-riddled culture of today and destroying any forum for serious political debate in or out of government. She sold all of the public utilities and the rail network and wasted all the money. She changed our relationship with the US, degrading our status from valuable ally to subservient. She was in it for herself and her friends and everyone paid the price. And we're still paying. She lost the right to be thought of in human terms many years ago.
Barney Army wrote: I aint no conservative, far from it. Very far.
Me dad was on picket lines in Warrington fighting for the printers. Fightin the pigs.
But to wish death on someone is a bit harsh innit?
Just how strong are your political beliefs?
that strong you wish death?
fuck me, I thought we were civilsed.
Theres no civilised about it pal.
I hope she dies a slow and painfull death the old bitch.
Absolutely decimated the mining industry in Yorkshire AND the trade union movement.
Many communities in my town were torn apart by that old bitch.
Nuff said
The Boy wrote:
Nick King wrote:
Let's hope it's for good this time!
No matter what peoples opinion on politics are, wishing an 82 year old Grandmother to die is just scum!
No, she was scum...
Many of us lost our houses, our jobs and our loved ones because of her.
If you were responsible for that many deaths in many 'civilised' countries, you'd be executed by the State. Unless of course, you were President. Unless your name was Ceauşescu - incidentally, one of 'Lady' Thatcher's mates...
Anyone remember Crass' 'How Does It Feel To Be The Mother Of 1,000 Dead'?
The woman is as close to evil as we've been unlucky enough to experience in the UK.
Many people here aren't old enough to remember the atrocities she committed and the results of both her Home and Foreign policies on the British people and others, still being felt today.
The surge in racist sentiment, the systemmatic destruction of the NHS, the tearing apart of the Nationalised Industries to be sold off to the private sector to companies that had her cronies on their Boards Of Directors, the decimation of communities, the upsurge in homeless families, the huge rise in the suicide rate, Council/social housing being sold off to people who couldn't really afford them, in the full knowledge that they could be repossessed and sold off to the highest bidder for business development, etc.
it is true that the country needed to get into modern times and industries and to some extent she did aided that,but The way she neglected the north was like starving one son to fatten up the other greedy son.i will never forget her stubborn,harsh,even evil attitude.she thought she was the bloody queen.
has for her side kicks,norman fowler,le mont,norman (get on your fucking bike)tebit :moon:
she visited accrington con club once and we all went from work on our dinner hour to cob eggs at her 
The Belgrano The Miners strike The NHS Poll tax Her fucking idiot and corrupt son
Thats 5 good reasons for peoples hatred of the old cow.
Chris Nash wrote: Many of us lost our houses, our jobs and our loved ones because of her.
If you were responsible for that many deaths in many 'civilised' countries, you'd be executed by the State. Unless of course, you were President. Unless your name was Ceauşescu - incidentally, one of 'Lady' Thatcher's mates...
Anyone remember Crass' 'How Does It Feel To Be The Mother Of 1,000 Dead'?
The woman is as close to evil as we've been unlucky enough to experience in the UK.
Many people here aren't old enough to remember the atrocities she committed and the results of both her Home and Foreign policies on the British people and others, still being felt today.
The surge in racist sentiment, the systemmatic destruction of the NHS, the tearing apart of the Nationalised Industries to be sold off to the private sector to companies that had her cronies on their Boards Of Directors, the decimation of communities, the upsurge in homeless families, the huge rise in the suicide rate, Council/social housing being sold off to people who couldn't really afford them, in the full knowledge that they could be repossessed and sold off to the highest bidder for business development, etc.
Thatcher wasn't evil,unlike Mugabe of Zimbabwe. We have the right and freedom to vote for who is Prime Minister. And she won 3 elections, so she must have done something right.
While I agree with much of the Thatcher hatred, I do think much of the bad stuff was a necessary evil, and someone had to do it. Dont think British Coal had made a profit since 1973, and you cant keep on chucking good money after bad. Lets face it, country was in a right old state in 1979. I read somewhere recently that inflation was at 19%!
Thought Cols points were interesting; I reckon Blair was equally and more so responsible for e.g. Britain being subservient to USA in terms of foreign policy. I thought Thatcher actually allowed us to have a policy again; all US presidents were scared of her, at the time. Also re:spin; thought that was far more a product of Blair.
By behaving so recklessly, she became the first leading politician to succeed even though she was universally hated. This lead to a loss of respect for our leaders which I believe led to the advent of the era of spin doctors.
And as for winning elections, this was largely due to negative campaigning and the scandalous manipulation of the Boundaries Commission. The Falklands War played a big part in her second win too: an avoidable conflict that was deemed necessary in order to boost her flagging support at home.
It was under Thatcher that the arms race went into overdrive and she was largely responsible for that. Opening the country to the US bases redefined the special relationship, reducing us to a country which is expected to put US interests first at all times. I can't recall a single time that Thatcher stood up to the US or even stood up for our interests globally.
In many ways sounds like you are describing politics in the United States in the last couple decades
They were the last group of principled politicians this country has seen. They couldn't beat the Tories because they expected voters to vote for them because they weren't the Tories.
John Smith would have won if he'd not died.
Burt Reynolds wrote: Dont think British Coal had made a profit since 1973, and you cant keep on chucking good money after bad.
Yes you can. It's the job of a responsible government to subsidise the essential industries, if that's what's required to keep them strong. Look at the mess we're in with our energy deficit now. Look how much our industries are paying for foreign steel. Look at the massive numbers of unemployed. Look at the shift in skills and the types of 'industry' that this country still have to be proud of.
She fucked it.
The Boy wrote: No matter what peoples opinion on politics are, wishing an 82 year old Grandmother to die is just scum!
I totally agree.
Jiphy wrote:
The Boy wrote: No matter what peoples opinion on politics are, wishing an 82 year old Grandmother to die is just scum!
I totally agree.
So, the criteria is that if they have children/grandchildren, then they must be okay?
On the other hand, what I will remember of her is this : At an European meeting in Brussels, she was complaining about something, mainly aimed at France. Chirac (Torry), Prime Minister of Mitterand (Labour), said the following, without knowing that the microphones were still on : "Qu'est-ce qu'elle veut cette vieille ? Que je lui serve mes couilles sur un plateau en argent ?" "What does this old woman want ? Does she want me to serve her my marbles on a silver plate ?" I think that most of the people who had to deal with her thought this at some point.
But I prefer to stop here. I am just realising that we've got at the moment someone even more dangerous at the head of our state. A mix of Thatcher, Blair, W, Putin and Berlusconi... with a pinch of Heider...
Nick King wrote:
Jiphy wrote:
The Boy wrote: No matter what peoples opinion on politics are, wishing an 82 year old Grandmother to die is just scum!
I totally agree.
So, the criteria is that if they have children/grandchildren, then they must be okay?
In short, wishing someone's death is not my philosophy.
On the other hand, if you want me to be sincere, to be taken in charge by the NHB like a woman she put on the dole by the late seventies is all I wish her. Right ?
Nick King wrote:
Jiphy wrote:
The Boy wrote: No matter what peoples opinion on politics are, wishing an 82 year old Grandmother to die is just scum!
I totally agree.
So, the criteria is that if they have children/grandchildren, then they must be okay?
Everyone has there own opion when it comes to politics. I personally think she gave Britain the kick up the arse it needed at the time, others will disagree. I personally think Tony Blair was a joke and a liar, but I wouldn't wish ill health on the chap, because i'm not a sick bitter person.
The Boy wrote: a sick bitter person.
Sick? Bitter? Twisted? Disillusioned?
Yup. A product of Thatcher's Britain. It could be argued that she made us what we are.
Quod Erat Demonstrandum
Fuck you all she deserves to die,anyone says otherwise then you know where i live,i accept all comers.
Jiphy wrote: On the other hand, what I will remember of her is this : At an European meeting in Brussels, she was complaining about something, mainly aimed at France. Chirac (Torry), Prime Minister of Mitterand (Labour), said the following, without knowing that the microphones were still on : "Qu'est-ce qu'elle veut cette vieille ? Que je lui serve mes couilles sur un plateau en argent ?" "What does this old woman want ? Does she want me to serve her my marbles on a silver plate ?" I think that most of the people who had to deal with her thought this at some point.
But I prefer to stop here. I am just realising that we've got at the moment someone even more dangerous at the head of our state. A mix of Thatcher, Blair, W, Putin and Berlusconi... with a pinch of Heider...
When she demanded the Euro rebate, at a meeting in Brussels, she wore Chirac down over 12 hours, and he eventually agreed, fearing it was the only way he was going to get home. He was absolutely exhausted, and still rues the day. Tough as nails.
The Boy wrote:
Nick King wrote:
Jiphy wrote:
The Boy wrote: No matter what peoples opinion on politics are, wishing an 82 year old Grandmother to die is just scum!
I totally agree.
So, the criteria is that if they have children/grandchildren, then they must be okay?
Everyone has there own opion when it comes to politics. I personally think she gave Britain the kick up the arse it needed at the time, others will disagree. I personally think Tony Blair was a joke and a liar, but I wouldn't wish ill health on the chap, because i'm not a sick bitter person.
you fuckin what?
Yeah she really did a good turn for scotland didn't she
Rev Big wrote:
Burt Reynolds wrote: Dont think British Coal had made a profit since 1973, and you cant keep on chucking good money after bad.
Yes you can. It's the job of a responsible government to subsidise the essential industries, if that's what's required to keep them strong. Look at the mess we're in with our energy deficit now. Look how much our industries are paying for foreign steel. Look at the massive numbers of unemployed. Look at the shift in skills and the types of 'industry' that this country still have to be proud of.
She fucked it.
I'm just going to disagree with you there. Years of unprofitable nationalised industries were part of why 1979 came around, she didnt create that, but had to deal with it.
Situation arose recently with Rover; Labour weren't interested in buying it, cos it would never make a profit. At least Northern Rock has a load of residual value.
The Boy wrote:
Nick King wrote:
Jiphy wrote:
The Boy wrote: No matter what peoples opinion on politics are, wishing an 82 year old Grandmother to die is just scum!
I totally agree.
So, the criteria is that if they have children/grandchildren, then they must be okay?
Everyone has there own opion when it comes to politics. I personally think she gave Britain the kick up the arse it needed at the time, others will disagree. I personally think Tony Blair was a joke and a liar, but I wouldn't wish ill health on the chap, because i'm not a sick bitter person.
you fuckin what?
Yeah she really did a good turn for scotland didn't she
I think that is one her biggest faults. Created a massive North/South divide.
Burt Reynolds wrote:
Rev Big wrote:
Burt Reynolds wrote: Dont think British Coal had made a profit since 1973, and you cant keep on chucking good money after bad.
Yes you can. It's the job of a responsible government to subsidise the essential industries, if that's what's required to keep them strong. Look at the mess we're in with our energy deficit now. Look how much our industries are paying for foreign steel. Look at the massive numbers of unemployed. Look at the shift in skills and the types of 'industry' that this country still have to be proud of.
She fucked it.
I'm just going to disagree with you there. Years of unprofitable nationalised industries were part of why 1979 came around, she didnt create that, but had to deal with it.
Situation arose recently with Rover; Labour weren't interested in buying it, cos it would never make a profit. At least Northern Rock has a load of residual value.
Why everything you have doesn't make a profit?
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Burt Reynolds wrote:
Rev Big wrote:
Burt Reynolds wrote: Dont think British Coal had made a profit since 1973, and you cant keep on chucking good money after bad.
Yes you can. It's the job of a responsible government to subsidise the essential industries, if that's what's required to keep them strong. Look at the mess we're in with our energy deficit now. Look how much our industries are paying for foreign steel. Look at the massive numbers of unemployed. Look at the shift in skills and the types of 'industry' that this country still have to be proud of.
She fucked it.
I'm just going to disagree with you there. Years of unprofitable nationalised industries were part of why 1979 came around, she didnt create that, but had to deal with it.
Situation arose recently with Rover; Labour weren't interested in buying it, cos it would never make a profit. At least Northern Rock has a load of residual value.
Why everything you have doesn't make a profit?
Not talking about bloody basket-making here. Talking about infrastructure industries 30 years ago, that had been largely unprofitable since the War. Multi-billion pound industries sucking the life out of the economy, with huge wages, and constant striking wanting more. Government isnt a charity in the end.
i can tell your still wound up about them southern chelsea fans running off
Burt Reynolds wrote:
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Burt Reynolds wrote:
Rev Big wrote:
Burt Reynolds wrote: Dont think British Coal had made a profit since 1973, and you cant keep on chucking good money after bad.
Yes you can. It's the job of a responsible government to subsidise the essential industries, if that's what's required to keep them strong. Look at the mess we're in with our energy deficit now. Look how much our industries are paying for foreign steel. Look at the massive numbers of unemployed. Look at the shift in skills and the types of 'industry' that this country still have to be proud of.
She fucked it.
I'm just going to disagree with you there. Years of unprofitable nationalised industries were part of why 1979 came around, she didnt create that, but had to deal with it.
Situation arose recently with Rover; Labour weren't interested in buying it, cos it would never make a profit. At least Northern Rock has a load of residual value.
Why everything you have doesn't make a profit?
Not talking about bloody basket-making here. Talking about infrastructure industries 30 years ago, that had been largely unprofitable since the War. Multi-billion pound industries sucking the life out of the economy, with huge wages, and constant striking wanting more. Government isnt a charity in the end.
And look where our energy industries are now!
And the railways...
And... etc... :p 
Nick King wrote:
Burt Reynolds wrote:
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Burt Reynolds wrote:
Rev Big wrote:
Burt Reynolds wrote: Dont think British Coal had made a profit since 1973, and you cant keep on chucking good money after bad.
Yes you can. It's the job of a responsible government to subsidise the essential industries, if that's what's required to keep them strong. Look at the mess we're in with our energy deficit now. Look how much our industries are paying for foreign steel. Look at the massive numbers of unemployed. Look at the shift in skills and the types of 'industry' that this country still have to be proud of.
She fucked it.
I'm just going to disagree with you there. Years of unprofitable nationalised industries were part of why 1979 came around, she didnt create that, but had to deal with it.
Situation arose recently with Rover; Labour weren't interested in buying it, cos it would never make a profit. At least Northern Rock has a load of residual value.
Why everything you have doesn't make a profit?
Not talking about bloody basket-making here. Talking about infrastructure industries 30 years ago, that had been largely unprofitable since the War. Multi-billion pound industries sucking the life out of the economy, with huge wages, and constant striking wanting more. Government isnt a charity in the end.
And look where our energy industries are now!
And the railways...
And... etc... :p
Well yes, exactly. But would they have been better run by government or private concern?
I think the government have had enough trouble running themselves over the last thirty years rather than running things that actually matter.
Burt Reynolds wrote: Well yes, exactly. But would they have been better run by government or private concern?
I think the government have had enough trouble running themselves over the last thirty years rather than running things that actually matter.
True!
Rev Big wrote: It's the job of a responsible government to subsidise the essential industries, .
No its not.
Its the job of the industries to make themselves succesful. People pay taxes for public services, Health, law and order, international security blah blah blah. If an industry isnt sucessful (i.e. Northern Rock) then it shouldnt be up to the tax payer to proper it up. You cant have the government (and by proxy, the taxpayer) subsidising the unsuccesful (or uncompetetitive) industries. Its not economically viable.
You could argue that the mortgae industry is "essential industry." Hell, you dont (and wont) see the government offering 90% self cert unlimited mortagages ever. You also didnt see the government propping up the company i was made redundant from recently...
The Boy wrote:
Nick King wrote:
Jiphy wrote:
The Boy wrote: No matter what peoples opinion on politics are, wishing an 82 year old Grandmother to die is just scum!
I totally agree.
So, the criteria is that if they have children/grandchildren, then they must be okay?
Everyone has there own opion when it comes to politics. I personally think she gave Britain the kick up the arse it needed at the time, others will disagree. I personally think Tony Blair was a joke and a liar, but I wouldn't wish ill health on the chap, because i'm not a sick bitter person .
You're a Hun. Of course you're bitter. It's in your genes to be bitter. Might have known you'd be a Tory too. Surprise surprise.
banshee wrote:
i can tell your still wound up about them southern chelsea fans running off
Aye they thought they were it but the little small giant Yorkshire killing town of Barnsley showed em who their daddy is! southern cunts!
to the so called headhunters,were the fuck were ya?
Was all arranged but you shitted it!
The Boy wrote:
Nick King wrote:
Jiphy wrote:
The Boy wrote: No matter what peoples opinion on politics are, wishing an 82 year old Grandmother to die is just scum!
I totally agree.
So, the criteria is that if they have children/grandchildren, then they must be okay?
Everyone has there own opion when it comes to politics. I personally think she gave Britain the kick up the arse it needed at the time, others will disagree. I personally think Tony Blair was a joke and a liar, but I wouldn't wish ill health on the chap, because i'm not a sick bitter person.
you fuckin what?
Yeah she really did a good turn for scotland didn't she
I actually grew up near you in S.Yorks. It is sad that the pits have closed along with the dock yards. But just like industries and businesses all over Britain ,if its not earning money or you can get it cheaper elsewhere you will do. Supermarkets and internet shopping is putting thousands of local shops out of business, the fact is the world changes and sometimes its cruel.
GlasVegas wrote:
The Boy wrote:
Nick King wrote:
Jiphy wrote:
The Boy wrote: No matter what peoples opinion on politics are, wishing an 82 year old Grandmother to die is just scum!
I totally agree.
So, the criteria is that if they have children/grandchildren, then they must be okay?
Everyone has there own opion when it comes to politics. I personally think she gave Britain the kick up the arse it needed at the time, others will disagree. I personally think Tony Blair was a joke and a liar, but I wouldn't wish ill health on the chap, because i'm not a sick bitter person .
You're a Hun. Of course you're bitter. It's in your genes to be bitter. Might have known you'd be a Tory too. Surprise surprise.
I'm not bitter, far from it.
I also don't agree with any political party at the moment - all of them are shite.
As for a still in Europe, top of the league, soon to be champs Hun - I'm afraid I am!!
The Boy wrote:
The Boy wrote:
Nick King wrote:
Jiphy wrote:
The Boy wrote: No matter what peoples opinion on politics are, wishing an 82 year old Grandmother to die is just scum!
I totally agree.
So, the criteria is that if they have children/grandchildren, then they must be okay?
Everyone has there own opion when it comes to politics. I personally think she gave Britain the kick up the arse it needed at the time, others will disagree. I personally think Tony Blair was a joke and a liar, but I wouldn't wish ill health on the chap, because i'm not a sick bitter person.
you fuckin what?
Yeah she really did a good turn for scotland didn't she
I actually grew up near you in S.Yorks. It is sad that the pits have closed along with the dock yards. But just like industries and businesses all over Britain ,if its not earning money or you can get it cheaper elsewhere you will do. Supermarkets and internet shopping is putting thousands of local shops out of business, the fact is the world changes and sometimes its cruel.
No you are wrong.
Thatcher crushed the unions because several hundred thousand miners dared to defy her and she didn't fuckin like it.
If it wasn't for the Nottinghamshire Miners (cunts) then we would have had an active pro-trade union government in the u.k today.
aye its really a fuckin pity that all the pits shut,what a load of fuckin bollocks.
really pisses me off that,aye its a dead industry blah,blah,blah.
Still cuts deep here pal
Why the fuck are they wanting to open the pits again ?
for a fuckin laugh?
Gas and leccy and oil going through the roof,whats the other fossil fuel they're going to utilise?
COAL!
am off said enough
hahaha, asked a simple question, leave for awhile and its erupted into a free for all...
To burst in on the coal though, its use is limited, not by actual usage, but by the whole global warming scare.... not really desiring another 'Big Smoke' incident are ya?
Uncle Liam wrote:
Rev Big wrote: It's the job of a responsible government to subsidise the essential industries, .
No its not.
Done properly, the subsidy required is small compared to the cost of all the unemployment and the trade deficit that occurs when these industries are gone.
Russia and Italy, to name but two, seem to be doing okay out of mining and steel. How are they managing it?
You rely on commerce to keep your essential industries healthy and you get a situation... oh like the one we've got.
Nice one 
Burt Reynolds wrote:
I think the government have had enough trouble running themselves over the last thirty years rather than running things that actually matter.
That's because in the last 30 years the politicians have stopped, for the most part, being drawn from key industry roles and instead been career politicians with no clue how to actually do anything. I can't think of one of them that's ever had a proper job.
i will not mourn the last breath of that old bitch, if there were a hell, she would burn for ever.
And I hope that you die And your death'll come soon I will follow your casket In the pale afternoon And I'll watch while you're lowered Down to your deathbed And I'll stand o'er your grave 'Til I'm sure that you're dead
Rev Big wrote: And I hope that you die And your death'll come soon I will follow your casket In the pale afternoon And I'll watch while you're lowered Down to your deathbed And I'll stand o'er your grave 'Til I'm sure that you're dead
Quality Dylan tune!
Rev Big wrote:
Anyone still think that Blair invented lying?
What I see is an backseat driver with armchair experience asking questions to a Prime Minister. What does this caller know of international relations? Even if she is correct and the ship was sunk incorrectly, could Thatcher really admit to it? Nice that it would make the caller feel all warm and fuzzy inside, but what of international relations? By sinking the ship a message was sent, and Thatcher should rightfully not backdown.
I still remember the 'Spitting Image' sketch after that incident:
MICHAEL HESELTINE: 'Want to talk about the Belgrano, Margaret?'
MARGARET THATCHER: 'Shut up Michael and put another log on the fire.'
- refers to the *proved* cover up that Thatcher lied about the whole situation, misleading The House Of Commons, The House Of Lords and the British People, who she was supposedly elected to serve.
Surely the people to blame are the twats that voted her and her fucking Government in time and time again?
Thatch was a moron, but she didn't get where she did without the (landslide) support.
Who are the people?
The 1980s. What a pile of wank.
Well, as you know, "democracy" in Northern Ireland, is support your local terrorist time. So we are blameless for once
Personally, I hope she gets better.
I'm feeling better myself these days, but it'll be a while before I'm fit enough to dance on the cunt's grave, so let's hope she pulls through, for now.
And Mr EdelBrock sir, rules of engagement? ring a bell?
Doctor? wrote:
And Mr EdelBrock sir, rules of engagement? ring a bell?
I really know little of that situation, I'm only basing my thoughts off the youtube posted. I really don't see why a PM has to answer a pretentious, smug cnut.
The one thing about war is that it requires split second decisions that resonate throughout the world. They aren't easy to decide at the moment, but easy to understand looking through a rearveiw. ROE has its place, but sometimes adhering strictly to it can mean your men end up dead.
Though Thatcher might to be to blame, she wasn't really there to see for herself the situation. She had to take the word of those officers that were present.
