Economic Crisis

Surprised to be agreeing with Liam but he makes a good point. There's been an under supply of qualified tradesmen in the UK for decades. Consequently building companies (and Joe Bloggs who wants his house re-wired)have been paying inflated prices for what is very often sub-standard work.

So the Eastern Europeans have come along and upset the cosy status quo? Boo hoo. Dry your eyes. My dad's a builder and he hires Poles not because of their pay expectations but because they do a better job, turn up on time and don't expect to knock off at 1PM every Friday when there's penalty deadlines to be met.

Zero sympathy for the trades who are just upset that their 'loadsamoney' days are over.

GlasVegas wrote: Surprised to be agreeing with Liam but he makes a good point. There's been an under supply of qualified tradesmen in the UK for decades. Consequently building companies (and Joe Bloggs who wants his house re-wired)have been paying inflated prices for what is very often sub-standard work Zero sympathy for the trades who are just upset that their 'loadsamoney' days are over.

Ther HAS been an under supply of tradesman for the last 40 years.

This goes back to training and education.

Why should a 19 yr old who wants to train to be a plumber train for 5 years,get qualified and then be "undercut" by an eastern european?

EDIT: I,m not a tradesman/builder/sparky or a plumber either!

wrote: The lib dems are a joke,so people see that the B.N.P are/the perception is that the B.N.P will put an end to immigration so they will continue to recieve more support in the coming years. people are so fed up of the mainstream political parties that they WILL vote B.N.P as by way of protest.

No they wont. The only elections where the people might vote for them en masse would be a European Election and thats unsurprisingly because people dont know what they are voting for! And that ground is already taken by UKIP.

wrote: Here in the U.K companies can fold at the drop of a hat without any thought of the implications for communities. In the E.U when a factory closes,it takes 18 months from the official notice date to wind up a company.

Erm... there was me thinking we were still part of the EU!

GlasVegas wrote: Surprised to be agreeing with Liam but he makes a good point.

If you're agreeing with me twice ina day you need to get your head tested!

Uncle Liam wrote:

wrote: The lib dems are a joke,so people see that the B.N.P are/the perception is that the B.N.P will put an end to immigration so they will continue to recieve more support in the coming years. people are so fed up of the mainstream political parties that they WILL vote B.N.P as by way of protest.

No they wont. The only elections where the people might vote for them en masse would be a European Election and thats unsurprisingly because people dont know what they are voting for! And that ground is already taken by UKIP.

wrote: Here in the U.K companies can fold at the drop of a hat without any thought of the implications for communities. In the E.U when a factory closes,it takes 18 months from the official notice date to wind up a company.

Erm... there was me thinking we were still part of the EU!

we ARE still part of the E.U,but read the post above.

I'm signing on for the umpteenth time come July 1st. I'm fucked regardless of the economy.

Uncle Liam wrote:

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OK TIME TO END THIS NOW BUT:

**WE ELECTED THE GOVERNMENT TO "GOVERN" OUR GREEN AND PLEASANT LAND.HOW COME OUE SO CALLED "GOVERNMENT" HAS SIGNED US UP FOR THE E.U TREATY WITHOUT A REFERENDUM?THE SAME REFERENDUM THAT THE OIRISH HAVE JUST TUENED DOWN AND VOTED NO?IS THERE AN ALTERNATIVE TO OUR PISS POOR GOVERNMENT,AT THE MINUTE,MOST DEFINATELY NO!!!!WILL THERE BE MASS CIVIL UPRISING IN OUR COUNTRY,NO!WHY?BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE FICKLE/FEARFUL AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE HERE IN THE U.K DO NOT LIKE WHAT THEY DONT KNOW.I WILL NEVER VOTE LABOUR EVER AGAIN THAT IS ONE THING I CAN ASSURE YOU!MIND YOU AFTER WHAT THE TORIES DID TO THE MINING INDUSTRY,JUST BECAUSE SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND YORKSHIRE MINERS DARED TO DEFY THATCHER,SHE BROUGHT ABOUT DRACONION UNION LEGISLATION AND DAMAGED OUR COUNTRY FOR EVER,THE I WOULD RATHER DIE THAN VOTE FOR THE TORIES!THE LIB DEMS ARE WANK ANALL,SO THEY ARE A NO GO FOR ME EITHER!**One thing for me for sure while ever we are letting FINANCIAL immigrants into our country and handing them EVERYTHING on a plate,then, the B.N.P is going to grow massively year in,year out.

OK.... Why do you think a referendum is necesarry on the Lisbon treaty, when it mainly concerns Qualified majority Voting, streamliming of the Commission and several other actions desgined to the make the EU run more smoothly with twenty seven countries rather than the same rules and procedures that that were designed for fifteen in Maastricht?

Draconian Union legislation was designed to stop the Unions bringing the country to a grinding halt, which the unions had done many times since the Second World War. Ultimately, the mining industry was mostly not economically viable> But that was twenty years ago now and isnt really relevant anymore. The reality is, the Yorkshire minders had next to no support from anyone outside their own community, and if you dont believe me then I'm happy to refer you to the General Election results of 1987.

Nothing is stopping anyone from paying a good old British builder £1000 for building a wall. The fact is, the Labour makret was vastly undermanned for years, which, because of the lack of competetion, allowed builders, plumbers etc to charge wahtever they like. Eastern European immigrants have played a vital role in filling that gap in the market and making sure inflation doesnt spiral even further out of control. So yes, it does stimulate the economy, because it means that people have more money to spend on themselves rather that lining the pocket of some builder who overcharges because of lack of competetion. 52k per annum for being a bricklayer sounds tad excessive if you ask me.

If people are being squeezed by the influx of Eastern Europeans, then its up to the individual to adapt nad making sure that they're spot isnt taken by anybody else.

None of the major benefits of being in the EU? Must have passed me by that one. Of course, it not a plus to have ludicrously ewasy trade arrangements with our near neighbours, free of tarfiffs and restrictions? No, its not a beneifit to be a part of the only poliitcal and economic bloc which is capable of competing with the US and Japan. Its not a beneift either to be in partnership with France and Germany rather than competing with them in an increasingly global world.

See past arguments with Craig as to why the BNP wont continue to grow and grow.

Very weak and niave response. I agree with Salvation.

Ruddy buggery, are we still pointing and blaming "the other"??

Deary me.

The people who've sunk us? Largely white, largely English speaking, largely American and British. Cunts who played silly fuckers with all our money, played the "selling numbers" game with each other, over and over, skimming their cut off the top. Now they've fucked up, we're all potentially dick deep in shit.

But nah, it's the painterskis.

I'd rather have someone brown, or with a funny accent living next door to me than a Nazi[1]

[1]got thumped for ruining the movie when watching "this is england", and the guy said "we're not nazi's we're nationalists". I hit the floor laughing, genuinely thought it was a joke. Oooops.