Independence Day
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Dodjem wrote: (even if you can't spell and say 'Math')
But we CAN and DO say MATH, finally a Briton that admits to the proper saying of the word....:p 
lets all celebrate our independance from AmericaSacrifices of our Founding Fathers
Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence?
Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died. Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned.
Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army, another had two sons captured.
Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War. They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor. What kind of men were they?
Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well educated. But they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured.
Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags.
Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward.
Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton. At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt.
Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months. John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished. A few weeks later he died from exhaustion and a broken heart.
Norris and Livingston suffered similar fates.
Such were the stories and sacrifices of the American Revolution. These were not wild eyed,rabble-rousing ruffians. They were soft-spoken men of means and education.
They had security, but they valued liberty more.
Standing tall, straight, and unwavering, they pledged:
"For the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of the divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor".
They gave you and me a free and independent America. The history books never told you a lot of what happened in the Revolutionary War.
We didn't just fight the British. We were British subjects at that time and we fought our own government!
Some of us take these liberties so much for granted.....we shouldn't.
EdelBrock wrote: We didn't just fight the British. We were British subjects at that time and we fought our own government!
Traitors. 
Anyways, the American lad work with has brought in two trays of doughnuts today! 
I'm gonna get myself a huge cawfee, stick my feet up on the desk, and then pretend I'm a Noo Yoik Cop for the rest of the morning?!
(Now, where's the collection tin for the rebels in Oireland?) 
If there are any one time Noolers heading back home to San Francisco today for good...
:baloon: and 
home!
Congratulations on this, the aniversary of the victory of French funded terrorists over their legitimate king and government.
El Jarvo wrote:
(Now, where's the collection tin for the rebels in Oireland?)
In a rucksack with a tube map and a copy of the Quran.
EdelBrock wrote: We didn't just fight the British. We were British subjects at that time and we fought our own government!
we didn't just fight the septics we were having another war against the frenchies.
you only played our second team
Cant see whats independant about America myself. Oil, culture, New Order all come from overseas:D
How about 'detain any vaguely tanned looking person at immigration for 24 hours, bugger him senseless then let him go without explaination day'. Only, that would be every day wouldnt it.
Stefano Cundari wrote: How about 'detain any vaguely tanned looking person at immigration for 24 hours, bugger him senseless then let him go without explaination day'. Only, that would be every day wouldnt it.
Is that how you get your kicks? 
NO Regret wrote: Cant see whats independant about America myself. Oil, culture, New Order all come from overseas:D
Hey, Black culture from those with some bloodlines from african descendents that were brought over to America as slaves is unique and independent. White people in America don't produce anything of value or quality but can buy/import the better stuff from the rest of the world. And the poorer white people can't buy as much but they are happy whenever there is a war, their country music is unique in being bad and unoriginal. Americans import their workforce from Mexico, since all the poor white people do is smoke cigs, and blow up firecrackers on July 4th. It's getting harder to fuel everyone's pickups thou, maybe another war is needed.
EdelBrock wrote:
Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence?
No
El Jarvo wrote:
Stefano Cundari wrote: How about 'detain any vaguely tanned looking person at immigration for 24 hours, bugger him senseless then let him go without explaination day'. Only, that would be every day wouldnt it.
Is that how you get your kicks?
read it again carefully. its a clear reference to US immigration
Stefano Cundari wrote:
El Jarvo wrote:
Stefano Cundari wrote: How about 'detain any vaguely tanned looking person at immigration for 24 hours, bugger him senseless then let him go without explaination day'. Only, that would be every day wouldnt it.
Is that how you get your kicks?
read it again carefully. its a clear reference to US immigration
Thank fuck im Scottish, its that cold here,we're blue, when we go abroad,it takes us a week to go white Billy Connelly
The Doc and Hibster beat me to it...
USA - forever in the debt of France
Do any of you lot ever think about that
LeggyD wrote: The Doc and Hibster beat me to it...
USA - forever in the debt of France
Do any of you lot ever think about that
Why France (I ask niavely in hope of a historic damnation of the US).
See here: Military History of France
- American Revolution
- In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare; "France only wins when America does most of the fighting."
Runs with scissors wrote: See here: Military History of France
- American Revolution
- In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare; "France only wins when America does most of the fighting."
No dumbass, they bankrolled the entire terrorist campaign against the British, seeing it as a "2nd front". Something the US has gone on to copy repeatedly....while slagging off the very country which funded the inception of theirs.
Never trust a seppo and never do anything for them, they will just call you a "cheese eating surrender monkey" (while simulataneously being unable to crush some kids armed with home made weapons using the world's largest military.).
Doctor? wrote:
No dumbass, they bankrolled the entire terrorist campaign against the British
False.
Yay...I get a 100 on my quiz...can I have a smiley face on the paper as well?
EdelBrock wrote: Sacrifices of our Founding Fathers
Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence?
Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died. Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned.
Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army, another had two sons captured.
Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War. They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor. What kind of men were they?
Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well educated. But they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured.
Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags.
Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward.
Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton. At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt.
Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months. John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished. A few weeks later he died from exhaustion and a broken heart.
Norris and Livingston suffered similar fates.
Such were the stories and sacrifices of the American Revolution. These were not wild eyed,rabble-rousing ruffians. They were soft-spoken men of means and education.
They had security, but they valued liberty more.
Standing tall, straight, and unwavering, they pledged:
"For the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of the divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor".
They gave you and me a free and independent America. The history books never told you a lot of what happened in the Revolutionary War.
We didn't just fight the British. We were British subjects at that time and we fought our own government!
Some of us take these liberties so much for granted.....we shouldn't.
Blah blah blah
Get ewwwver it
Biginoil wrote:
EdelBrock wrote: Sacrifices of our Founding Fathers
Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence?
Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died. Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned.
Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army, another had two sons captured.
Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War. They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor. What kind of men were they?
Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well educated. But they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured.
Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags.
Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward.
Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton. At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt.
Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months. John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished. A few weeks later he died from exhaustion and a broken heart.
Norris and Livingston suffered similar fates.
Such were the stories and sacrifices of the American Revolution. These were not wild eyed,rabble-rousing ruffians. They were soft-spoken men of means and education.
They had security, but they valued liberty more.
Standing tall, straight, and unwavering, they pledged:
"For the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of the divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor".
They gave you and me a free and independent America. The history books never told you a lot of what happened in the Revolutionary War.
We didn't just fight the British. We were British subjects at that time and we fought our own government!
Some of us take these liberties so much for granted.....we shouldn't.
Blah blah blah
Get ewwwver it
I'm just waiting for the fireworks show...
I hope it's as lovely as the one last night...
Jeff, you are all having a party over there to celebrate kicking us out.
You don't really expect us to wish you all a happy holiday do you? 
LeggyD wrote: Jeff, you are all having a party over there to celebrate kicking us out. You don't really expect us to wish you all a happy holiday do you?
Sure you can.... from over there, of course!
Surely after so long it's just about the party. Nobody seriously gives a fuck about something that happened so long ago?
A bit like Christmas, really.
LeggyD wrote: Jeff, you are all having a party over there to celebrate kicking us out. You don't really expect us to wish you all a happy holiday do you?
Seeing as I live in an extension of Mexico, I'm surprised it gets celebrated here!!!
Biginoil wrote: Surely after so long it's just about the party. Nobody seriously gives a fuck about something that happened so long ago?
A bit like Christmas, really.
I don't think so. The reason I put up the info on the Founding Fathers, is that it was a time in human history when great men put thier personal intrests aside for an idea as fragile as a whisper. They weren't normal revolutionaries simply fed up with thier government. Though each party has its differences, they both believe in the basic idea that the Founding Fathers created. I'm not sure if there has been another time in history when so many intellegent men came together to forge an idea to make everyone's life much better. The idea isn't merely contained to US borders, as it has affected the World over, every 1st world country has taken something from the model and bettered their society.
Also note that the orginal idea of Lockean Liberalism, which is the foundation of the ideas, came from a Brit
Sounds suspiciously like a justification for terrorism to me.
One man's freedom fighter...
Still, have a lovely day.
Well that just doesn't fit now does it Definition of terrorism by Merrium Webster:
the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion
The war was started by a declaration of rights, not a use of terror. Though the Boston Tea Party might be thinnly equated to an act of terrorism, no other aspect of the war had any "systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion".
They appear to have had the aim of regime change, or more specifically the reflection of foreign influences in their own government, in common with terrorists.
I don't know a great deal about it all though 
The founding fathers of the USA were way worse than common terrorists... they were bloody liberals! Separation of church and state? Three balanced branches of gov't to prevent tyranny? Self evident personal liberties? Their example has lead to the corruption of many people around the world with this disease of liberalism. Bastards!
Biginoil wrote: They appear to have had the aim of regime change, or more specifically the reflection of foreign influences in their own government, in common with terrorists.
I don't know a great deal about it all though
My favorite books are nonfiction, usually based on history. Most history taught in schools is a bunch of wankery, stuff when you dig deeper you find ain't as peachy as they portrayed. The Founding Fathers is a different story. The more I read about them, the more amazing they are. Each were great men in their own right, that they all existed at one time was amazing, more amazing is that each played a vital role. Unlike most movements through mankind, that rely mainly on one person, each Founding Father played a specific role in which the outcome could not have happened without them. To me, its more than flagwaving and patriotism, it really shows what humankind is capable of.
Biginoil wrote: Nobody seriously gives a fuck about something that happened so long ago?
There'll be a lot of 'people' out in Glasgow today
who do 
,most of them are inbred though
Biginoil wrote: What's that about then, Gaz?
Its the 'big walk' here today Col,
you know where all the monkeys celebrate being 'ra people'
Then its Belfasts turn next week,'ra twelff'
Means fuck all to me, Gaz.
Sounds like people using old events to justify getting modern people's backs up to me, but then I am quite cynical about the importance of history as anything other than a way to learn how not to fuck up the present too much.
Biginoil wrote: Means fuck all to me, Gaz.
Sounds like people using old events to justify getting modern people's backs up to me, but then I am quite cynical about the importance of history as anything other than a way to learn how not to fuck up the present too much.
You and me both mate,
Its a bigots day out,Scotlands Shame
If it were up to me,i'd ban the marches,both sides,
Waste a fuckin time.
Anybody putting skins together
Mostly all good nonfiction history books don't glamorize the characters. Too bad yer cynical about history, though I don't blame you. Schools really fuck kids up with incorrect history, glamourizing people or telling the history only from one side.... then the population become all up in arms when someone tells the truth of the situation. Our Civil War is a perfect example. People rant on and on about how Lincoln went into war to "free the slaves", and while that isn't entirely incorrect, the real cause for the war was to increase Federal control (forming a stronger republic) and lessen State control. But mention this and people really get pissy about it.
I'm not fooled by flag-waving, lets all get patriotic books. The books I have read (maybe around 40?) really are on the level, there should be bound to be one that is cynical about something... and while the people definately do have thier faults, the whole period really is amazing... I definately suggest anyone to pick up any book on the matter, even if you aren't American...
Is it true that US government were responsible for the 7/11 montrosity? What was with the 3rd building being demolished the same day very strange?
And did man really go to the moon?
Guess were never know the truth.....
NO Regret wrote: Is it true that US government were responsible for the 7/11 montrosity? What was with the 3rd building being demolished the same day very strange?
And did man really go to the moon?
Guess were never know the truth.....
Yes we are responsible for Slurpees, big Gulps, and candy bars attacking every town corner...
..man may not have gone to the moon, but Alice Kramden sure did...
Does that answer yer questions?
EdelBrock wrote:
NO Regret wrote: Is it true that US government were responsible for the 7/11 montrosity? What was with the 3rd building being demolished the same day very strange?
And did man really go to the moon?
Guess were never know the truth.....
..man may not have gone to the moon, but Alice Kramden sure did...
Nicely played....
EdelBrock wrote:
NO Regret wrote: Is it true that US government were responsible for the 7/11 montrosity? What was with the 3rd building being demolished the same day very strange?
And did man really go to the moon?
Guess were never know the truth.....
Yes we are responsible for Slurpees, big Gulps, and candy bars attacking every town corner...
..man may not have gone to the moon, but Alice Kramden sure did...
Does that answer yer questions?
Whos Alice Kramden when she's at home?
I meant the 11/9 disaster (of course).
Runs with scissors wrote: no...the government has nothing to do with:
whys that chain called "7 Eleven"?
Biginoil wrote: I thought it was their opening times? 7am until 11pm?
No, it's from 7pm to 11am.
Biginoil wrote: I thought it was their opening times? 7am until 11pm?
Yep, that's how they got their name...of course, they are now all open 24 hours, which makes one ponder, if they never close, why are there locks on the doors???
Weve got a similar one in the UK
its called...wait for it......wait
Monday 9.30am to 6pm, Tuesday 9.30am to 6pm, Wednesday 9.30am to 6pm, Thursday 9.30am - 7pm, Friday 9.30am - 9pm, Saturday 9.00am to 8pm, Sunday 11am to 5pm.
Bit of a mouthful really. So we just call it "Waitrose" for short!
NO Regret wrote:
EdelBrock wrote:
NO Regret wrote: Is it true that US government were responsible for the 7/11 montrosity? What was with the 3rd building being demolished the same day very strange?
And did man really go to the moon?
Guess were never know the truth.....
Yes we are responsible for Slurpees, big Gulps, and candy bars attacking every town corner...
..man may not have gone to the moon, but Alice Kramden sure did...
Does that answer yer questions?
Whos Alice Kramden when she's at home?
I meant the 11/9 disaster (of course).
Alice
EdelBrock wrote:
NO Regret wrote:
EdelBrock wrote:
NO Regret wrote: Is it true that US government were responsible for the 7/11 montrosity? What was with the 3rd building being demolished the same day very strange?
And did man really go to the moon?
Guess were never know the truth.....
Yes we are responsible for Slurpees, big Gulps, and candy bars attacking every town corner...
..man may not have gone to the moon, but Alice Kramden sure did...
Does that answer yer questions?
Whos Alice Kramden when she's at home?
I meant the 11/9 disaster (of course).
I'll rephrase that. WTF is Alice Kradman!!
Alice
