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You're putting "stolen" in quotes, as if that's what I said.

What I actually said was CHEATING, which is different. Florida CHEATED in 2000, by taking fifty-odd thousand perfectly eligible voters off the register and then by ignoring the Constitution and recounting the votes until the Governor's brother won. That's not stealing, it's cheating.

If that's the best the GOP had to offer, then I feel sorry for them. Really.

Don't feel too bad. We've had a few years of so-called "Socialist" rule here in the UK and we've done all right. We still get plenty of wars and the oil price is crippling and the government can't tell the truth about anything. Most of us have hardly noticed the difference :shrug:

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Diamond 383 wrote: You're putting "stolen" in quotes, as if that's what I said.

What I actually said was CHEATING, which is different. Florida CHEATED in 2000, by taking fifty-odd thousand perfectly eligible voters off the register and then by ignoring the Constitution and recounting the votes until the Governor's brother won. That's not stealing, it's cheating.

If that's the best the GOP had to offer, then I feel sorry for them. Really.

Sorry, stolen and cheating are used interchangably here by the Dems to explain the 2000 election. The dismissal of votes in a county with too many problems with ballots is not unusual, but it usually receives no press because the margins are never as close as they were in Florida.

Don't feel too bad. We've had a few years of so-called "Socialist" rule here in the UK and we've done all right. We still get plenty of wars and the oil price is crippling and the government can't tell the truth about anything. Most of us have hardly noticed the difference :shrug:

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Via peaceful means the wound of slavery is almost healed.

It's an amazing moment in history.

:baloon:

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DigitalWaters wrote: Via peaceful means the wound of slavery is almost healed.

It's an amazing moment in history.

:baloon:

"...almost..." Really??? Uh, as Erik B. and Rakim used to say, that's Paid in Full. http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZElWBsoyvUo

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DigitalWaters wrote: Via peaceful means the wound of slavery is almost healed.

It's an amazing moment in history.

:baloon:

:rolleyes:

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Diamond 383 wrote: America is a rotten country. Rocking the vote and putting a changeling in the big house won't change that any time soon.

Aye, only in America a man has a chance. In class-divided England, it's given that you can't get a certain status or position, unless you belong to upper classes or bourgeoisie, cannot even think of it. Of course, England is a monarchy and it's understandable that socially it's very antihuman. No wonder such men as Richard Aldington fled the country. You don't have a sense of being "united"; it's absolutely alien to English mentality.

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I have to say that today, I feel very, very proud to be an American.

Here in Columbus, Ohio, last night, people were literally dancing in the streets when it was announced that Obama won. I was downtown at the official Democratic Election party watching Obama's speech with hundreds of party members, campaign workers, Governor Strickland, Mayor Coleman, and lots of ordinary citizens. People were cheering, crying, and when Obama finished his speech, dancing.

Yes, we can. We did. And we will.

I am always proud to be an American...

But so many things here in the United States have gone so very wrong in the past 8 years. We've had a President who made astonishingly poor decisions, favorored cronyism for the rich over serving the people, and who encouraged a culture of overwhelming negativity and xenophobia, and brought out in Americans what I feel are the worst aspects of human nature.

Last night, the people of America showed the world that we are not an intolerant people who refuse to listen to reason. Barack Obama is an intelligent, compassionate, educated, caring man who has shown inspiring amounts of integrity, good judgement, and good character. I believe that Obama, through his actions and beliefs, appeals to the best aspects of human nature, and to the best aspects of the American character.

The American people showed the world that perhaps Dr. King's dream is come closer to being a reality than any of us could have imagined would happen....because las night, the American people elected a young-ish Black man with a non traditional sounding name, and they did so not by judging the color of his skin, but by judging the content of his character.

As the son of a blue collar working class American family and a lifelong supporter of the Democratic Party, I am full of hope that Obama will be a strong leader for the American people, that he can inspire us all to work together, regardless of party, to create a better America, and to be a leader for goodness in the world.

Obama's campaign inspired a sense of hope and community in the American people that has not been seen for a very long time. The spirit of this campaign must not end with the election. As Obama said:

"We haven't made the change, only secured the possibility of making the change. Now the real work begins".

I hope and pray that the work Obama speaks of will result in a better America. For the first time in 8 years, I am excited about my goverment, and I fell optimistic about America. I have not been happy with what America has been for the past 8 years, and with the awful things we have done in the past...

But I have always been in love with the idea of what the United States can be. With this election, for the first time in my life, I feel like we are moving closer to not only the dream that Dr. King spoke of, but also of the greater American dream of a country with compassionate goverment that is by the people and for the people. For all people, regardless of thier race, ethnicity, sexuality, political views,and religion. I am hopeful that we may move closer to making that dream a reality.

Now the real work begins. The American people did not let Obama down. We raised him up and helped him make history.

Now its time for Barack Obama to keep his end of the deal, and raise up the American people, and provide a strong and positive role model for the world.

I hope he will not let us down. But given a man of Obama's integrity, I don't think he will. I have hope. Hope can make lot happen.

ZAS

PS - Senator McCains concession speech was classy and inspiring. Now that the election of over, hopefully John McCain can go back to being himself.

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Zachery Starkey wrote:

PS - Senator McCains concession speech was classy and inspiring. Now that the election of over, hopefully John McCain can go back to being himself.

It was disappointing to see him go to the right, but he really had no choice in the matter; at least if he wanted a real shot at the presidency.

What concerns me is if this election proves that a middle-of-the-road politician, in that they aren't fully entreanched in thier own party, can not become president. I'm not saying its not possible, but both parties will note how McCain's campaign just didn't work fluidly because of it. Most campaigns are either fully right or left, then for the election are forced to the middle to pick up moderates (which confuses people in thinking the candidates are real moderates). Clinton was left, moved center for election; Bush was right, moved center for the election; Obama is left, moved center for the election. McCain was more center, not right enough, and moved right for the election. I fear we will see from here, more concretely, on out that we will have extremes in office... extreme right, then left, then right then left.... but then maybe a moderate truely is just a pipedream.:shrug:

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Diamond 383 wrote: America is a rotten country. Rocking the vote and putting a changeling in the big house won't change that any time soon.

Aye, only in America a man has a chance. In class-divided England, it's given that you can't get a certain status or position, unless you belong to upper classes or bourgeoisie, cannot even think of it. Of course, England is a monarchy and it's understandable that socially it's very antihuman. No wonder such men as Richard Aldington fled the country. You don't have a sense of being "united"; it's absolutely alien to English mentality.

Don't ever buy a gun. That is so far wide of the mark.

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this is the first time in a long time that i'm proud to be an american.

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Comrade Shampanyov wrote: He did it, he really did it... :cry: ::bow: :D

In the words of Gretton in Control, Fooking hallelujah! :bow:

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I was so relieved and exhausted. Will the economy and Bush's mess be all gone tomorrow? Nope. But there is finally some hope.

It reminds me Bill Hick celebrating when Bush 41 went down. No more Old Testament God on the President's speed dial.

Now to overturn the Mormons and Prop 8. Those Bushites are on the wrong side of History!!

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Diamond 383 wrote: America is a rotten country. Rocking the vote and putting a changeling in the big house won't change that any time soon.

Aye, only in America a man has a chance. In class-divided England, it's given that you can't get a certain status or position, unless you belong to upper classes or bourgeoisie, cannot even think of it. Of course, England is a monarchy and it's understandable that socially it's very antihuman. No wonder such men as Richard Aldington fled the country. You don't have a sense of being "united"; it's absolutely alien to English mentality.

Thank fuck im Scottish :nod:

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LiamShed wrote:

Now to overturn the Mormons and Prop 8. Those Bushites are on the wrong side of History!!

Don't forget the 70% of blacks that are Dems you'll have to overturn as well:nod:

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