Islam and repairing Britain

Leaving economics aside, social issues i refer to here.

Does anybody rate the teachings of Islam?

Personally I feel behaviours like fasting, absence of alcohol and modest clothing are all good starting points.

Even just prohibiting alcohol you signficantly reduce car accidents, violence, rape, A+E admissions, premature death, mental health problems....

anyway, discuss.....

oh ffs... Why don't you just throw yourself into a pit of internet lions?

Burt Reynolds wrote: oh ffs... Why don't you just throw yourself into a pit of internet lions?

no serious question burt

Burt Reynolds wrote: oh ffs... Why don't you just throw yourself into a pit of internet lions?

Didn't he?

Mansour Ali wrote:

Burt Reynolds wrote: oh ffs... Why don't you just throw yourself into a pit of internet lions?

no serious question burt

Ok.. its pretty simple.

Islam is a religion.

UK is a proud nation with much history and much tradition. It is also a godless country, largely. We have pretty much rejected the idea of religion, as a gentle decline from c.1900, coinciding with the rise in education.

Why would you expect a nation of infidels to suddenly 'see the light' and change our national identity entirely?

It's 2008 ffs, not 1429.

I speak to many Muslims, the more radical of whom, claim this country will be the first Islamic western state in 50 years. The great thing about religion is, that you have to believe in one, before you can convert to another.

Comrade Shampanyov wrote:

Burt Reynolds wrote: oh ffs... Why don't you just throw yourself into a pit of internet lions?

Didn't he?

He's spent all night digging a grave. With this one, he's heading for Oz.

Burt Reynolds wrote: The great thing about religion is, that you have to believe in one, before you can convert to another.

that's not true though, is it?

bloodynora wrote:

Burt Reynolds wrote: The great thing about religion is, that you have to believe in one, before you can convert to another.

that's not true though, is it?

Not entirely no.. Islam does target the mentally unhinged, weak, and disadvantaged too.

I remember having a conversation recently with a group of Muslims, who were bragging about the conversion of Mike Tyson to Islam.

Actually didnt that recent mentally backward attempted cafe suicide bomber come from somewhere like Bristol? He was English, and led astray by people that wanted to be 'his friends'.

Burt Reynolds wrote:

bloodynora wrote:

Burt Reynolds wrote: The great thing about religion is, that you have to believe in one, before you can convert to another.

that's not true though, is it?

Not entirely no.. Islam does target the mentally unhinged, weak, and disadvantaged too.

I remember having a conversation recently with a group of Muslims, who were bragging about the conversion of Mike Tyson to Islam.

Actually didnt that recent mentally backward attempted cafe suicide bomber come from somewhere like Bristol? He was English, and led astray by people that wanted to be 'his friends'.

Scientologists?

Comrade Shampanyov wrote:

Burt Reynolds wrote:

bloodynora wrote:

Burt Reynolds wrote: The great thing about religion is, that you have to believe in one, before you can convert to another.

that's not true though, is it?

Not entirely no.. Islam does target the mentally unhinged, weak, and disadvantaged too.

I remember having a conversation recently with a group of Muslims, who were bragging about the conversion of Mike Tyson to Islam.

Actually didnt that recent mentally backward attempted cafe suicide bomber come from somewhere like Bristol? He was English, and led astray by people that wanted to be 'his friends'.

Scientologists?

It's a bit like that over here, cos we haven't yet suffered that lot yet. This particular case was a mentally backward lad who was convinced into suicide bombing a cafe, and ended up setting himself on fire.

Mansour Ali wrote: Leaving economics aside, social issues i refer to here.

Does anybody rate the teachings of Islam?

Personally I feel behaviours like fasting, absence of alcohol and modest clothing are all good starting points.

Even just prohibiting alcohol you signficantly reduce car accidents, violence, rape, A+E admissions, premature death, mental health problems....

anyway, discuss.....

What about the negative attitude towards women and womens' rights? The hypocritical violent attitude towards homosexuality? The poor fashion sense? A huge step backwards for civilization.

Christianity is bad enough as it is... they don't back up their words with their actions, Muslims seem just as self-righteous.

Prohibition, the word is so linked in my mind to Al Capone.

You could cherry pick the best bits of all religions and still find dissenters, myself included.

I wouldn't vote for a government that stood for prohibition, which is how it seems to work in the UK, y'know an actual vote

Worked in Islamic countries and respected their ways, not a problem.... not a full life choice for me either, still to each their own.

You could also cherry pick the worst of all religions too and the results of that will still find dissenters, myself included

Burt Reynolds wrote:

bloodynora wrote:

Burt Reynolds wrote: The great thing about religion is, that you have to believe in one, before you can convert to another.

that's not true though, is it?

Not entirely no.. Islam does target the mentally unhinged, weak, and disadvantaged too.

I remember having a conversation recently with a group of Muslims, who were bragging about the conversion of Mike Tyson to Islam.

Actually didnt that recent mentally backward attempted cafe suicide bomber come from somewhere like Bristol? He was English, and led astray by people that wanted to be 'his friends'.

Exeter, Devon

Ally wrote: You really are just yanking people's chains now though aren't you?

Of course he is, he's been doing that ever since he started posting here! :p

Islam a young SHEEp........i only eat BIg macs?:D

Ally wrote: Most if not all religions are insidious, divisive, manipulative, scaremongering not to mention extremely ignorant of the scientific fact staring them plainly in the face.

I rate the teachings of Islam about as much as I rate the Christian bible.

Which is about as much as I rate Harry Potter.

You really are just yanking people's chains now though aren't you?

If you can't win a debate, go for a reaction... classic attention seeking

Not really, I am just interested in the practial applications of some of the ideas. Not all. Its just a lot of people in Britain dismiss it completely out of hand.

I definetly think given Britains chronic alcohol problem then that particular vice should be looked at.

The other big issue, womens clothing. There is no reason for women to be scantily clad, or indeed men, at any time. There is no good reason for it other than freedom (freedom to what, encourage male predators).

Arranged marriages are also a good thing in general for societal stability.

Ally wrote: classic attention seeking

I thought that earlier. Makes sense. Type of Brit that ends up turning Muslim.

SHED wrote: Islam a young SHEEp........i only eat BIg macs?:D

You in HARRY's BAR tonight...if so ...cool SHADES.When did you get out of StRANgeways?

Don't worry i won't tell GARYMAC...GARYMAC...

ROCKET MICK wrote:

SHED wrote: Islam a young SHEEp........i only eat BIg macs?:D

You in HARRY's BAR tonight...if so ...cool SHADES.When did you get out of StRANgeways?

Don't worry i won't tell GARYMAC...GARYMAC...

HE got OUT 2 DAYS after ME. SAID SOMETHING ABOUT ice cream parlours ON THE a6.....

and THE weird ARMS????

you got a bus station YET

Burt Reynolds wrote:

Ally wrote: classic attention seeking

I thought that earlier. Makes sense. Type of Brit that ends up turning Muslim.

christianity, islam and judaism are all interchangable anyway. Abrahamic religions I think they are called. I would find it stranger turning to football than to islam.

Mansour Ali wrote:

Burt Reynolds wrote:

Ally wrote: classic attention seeking

I thought that earlier. Makes sense. Type of Brit that ends up turning Muslim.

christianity, islam and judaism are all interchangable anyway. Abrahamic religions I think they are called. I would find it stranger turning to football than to islam.

Well lets face it, Bristol Rovers are shite, and City are only occasionally watcheable. Besides all that food at half time cant be halal.

you got a bus station YET

A BEWT and on a good DAY you can check out any time you want BUT you can NEver LEAVE.Welcome back and CHeers to U and OURkid.LEGENDS and MANc's Finest.

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: I could never try Islam or Judaism...

things they won't let me have bacon pork chops ham pork ribs sausage did I mention bacon???

Sorry...but I love eating me some pig!!!

and YOU,forgotten? Hair Women

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: I could never try Islam or Judaism...

things they won't let me have bacon pork chops ham pork ribs sausage did I mention bacon???

Sorry...but I love eating me some pig!!!

Under Islam, you could have more than one wife...

Comrade Shampanyov wrote:

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: I could never try Islam or Judaism...

things they won't let me have bacon pork chops ham pork ribs sausage did I mention bacon???

Sorry...but I love eating me some pig!!!

Under Islam, you could have more than one wife...

SORE point with JEFF...she left him for a PIg.

Comrade Shampanyov wrote:

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: I could never try Islam or Judaism...

things they won't let me have bacon pork chops ham pork ribs sausage did I mention bacon???

Sorry...but I love eating me some pig!!!

Under Islam, you could have more than one wife...

gay sex = stoning though?

Ally wrote:

Mansour Ali wrote: christianity, islam and judaism are all interchangable anyway. Abrahamic religions I think they are called. I would find it stranger turning to football than to islam.

At least football is based on something tangible that actually exists and you can identify as happening in front of your eyes. I say this as someone who has zero interest in football although I can see why other people clearly love it and always will.

On the other hand, I genuinely can't see why anyone who wasn't brought up with it would convert to Islam unless they were caught at a bad time mentally. Just about any religion could be swapped for Islam in the above statement.

Where's Allah when you need him eh.

Lent him a fiver and haven't seen him since

Which reminds me ...ALLY you owe me a skydiver!

ROCKET MICK wrote: you got a bus station YET

A BEWT and on a good DAY you can check out any time you want BUT you can NEver LEAVE.Welcome back and CHeers to U and OURkid.LEGENDS and MANc's Finest.

JUST like the BUS stop near the PUB. nice to be back NO MORE chokey AND prison regs for ME, I am turning OVER a NEW broom and putting on MY TOP HAT and eating PUPPY dog tales, oh yes the REFORM schooling will work...THIS TIME.

CHORLEY dont SURF

What would I do with a woman???

KILL em...as per

Mansour Ali wrote: Leaving economics aside, social issues i refer to here.

Does anybody rate the teachings of Islam?

Personally I feel behaviours like fasting, absence of alcohol and modest clothing are all good starting points.

Even just prohibiting alcohol you signficantly reduce car accidents, violence, rape, A+E admissions, premature death, mental health problems....

anyway, discuss.....

Ahhhhhh Your status as a fucktard now reveals it's origins. A sky fairy believer.

Nuff said.

Please put the evil computer away, it is a product of satan's science.

Why did you have to bring science into a discussion about religion? You know it's based on reason and logic?

Knuckles wrote: Why did you have to bring science into a discussion about religion? You know it's based on reason and logic?

You do realize that religon saved science and kept it going after the fall of the Roman Empire.

The two answer different questions anyways: Religon - why we are here and how to act?; Science - What makes us and the universe work? The two have worked together for thousands of years, but only recently have we seperated the two (now watch someone give me high school level thoughts on Galileo or other such problems, but not really understanding the history of science).

The main problem with Islam are that the teachings and the leading figure (Muhammed) do two grossly different things. There really isn't anything wrong with the Kuran. Actually a good read, and something everyone can pull something worthwhile from... but when the founder was hell bent on eridicating those that didn't follow him, well there in lies a problem... there are those in Islam that follow the Kuran, and are peaceful Islamics, adaptable to society. The others follow Muhammed and believe his actions were a template on how they should act.

So answering your original question really depends on which form of Islam that is followed.

EdelBrock wrote:

Knuckles wrote: Why did you have to bring science into a discussion about religion? You know it's based on reason and logic?

You do realize that religon saved science and kept it going after the fall of the Roman Empire.

The two answer different questions anyways: Religon - why we are here and how to act?; Science - What makes us and the universe work? The two have worked together for thousands of years, but only recently have we seperated the two (now watch someone give me high school level thoughts on Galileo or other such problems, but not really understanding the history of science).

Nah, I've got university thoughts on Galileo, just wrote an essay on him. He definitely saw things in ways that nobody thought to consider. Saw the moons of Jupiter and said Copernicus was right.

You are right - they answer different questions, but as the Doctor says, the sky fairy doesn't really tell us much about much.

P.S. Edel, I just finished uni too so I know how you feel.

P.P.S. Look at me telling you my life story... who am i? No Holiday?

Snap.

Knuckles wrote:

EdelBrock wrote:

Knuckles wrote: Why did you have to bring science into a discussion about religion? You know it's based on reason and logic?

You do realize that religon saved science and kept it going after the fall of the Roman Empire.

The two answer different questions anyways: Religon - why we are here and how to act?; Science - What makes us and the universe work? The two have worked together for thousands of years, but only recently have we seperated the two (now watch someone give me high school level thoughts on Galileo or other such problems, but not really understanding the history of science).

Nah, I've got university thoughts on Galileo, just wrote an essay on him. He definitely saw things in ways that nobody thought to consider. Saw the moons of Jupiter and said Copernicus was right.

You are right - they answer different questions, but as the Doctor says, the sky fairy doesn't really tell us much about much.

P.S. Edel, I just finished uni too so I know how you feel.

P.P.S. Look at me telling you my life story... who am i? No Holiday?

Snap.

Congrats on the degree

The "high school" thing wasn't directed at you, its just the favorite example used to show how "Christianity kept science down", when on the whole it kept it afloat and actually help it flourish. There was much in-fighting on to what degree science should take shape... just as much as there are questions about that now. Truth of the matter is science has always been a handmaiden, in the past to religon, now to government... its never stood on its own, and probably never will.

El Jarvo wrote:

Next you'll be telling us that we should all be Cafflicks. Cos, of course, none of them ever have sex before marriage then we'd reduce the number of STI's, single muthas, unwanted pregnancies, broken homes, abortions, etc, etc.

Jeezus, how many Cafflicks do you actually know?

Keep the faith, Al

Am Cafflick - ish

EdelBrock wrote:

Knuckles wrote:

EdelBrock wrote:

Knuckles wrote: Why did you have to bring science into a discussion about religion? You know it's based on reason and logic?

You do realize that religon saved science and kept it going after the fall of the Roman Empire.

The two answer different questions anyways: Religon - why we are here and how to act?; Science - What makes us and the universe work? The two have worked together for thousands of years, but only recently have we seperated the two (now watch someone give me high school level thoughts on Galileo or other such problems, but not really understanding the history of science).

Nah, I've got university thoughts on Galileo, just wrote an essay on him. He definitely saw things in ways that nobody thought to consider. Saw the moons of Jupiter and said Copernicus was right.

You are right - they answer different questions, but as the Doctor says, the sky fairy doesn't really tell us much about much.

P.S. Edel, I just finished uni too so I know how you feel.

P.P.S. Look at me telling you my life story... who am i? No Holiday?

Snap.

Congrats on the degree

The "high school" thing wasn't directed at you, its just the favorite example used to show how "Christianity kept science down", when on the whole it kept it afloat and actually help it flourish. There was much in-fighting on to what degree science should take shape... just as much as there are questions about that now. Truth of the matter is science has always been a handmaiden, in the past to religon, now to government... its never stood on its own, and probably never will.

That's probably true, but science has usually served society, so when religion was dominant in society it served that. In the early modern period, it began to serve government on a utilitarian basis. It's more independent than it used to be.

But how many lab coats do you see in Riyadh?

perfectly fine being an atheist thanks , if you want to beleive in a sky fairy as cambo says, fine, if you want everyone to beleive what YOU do, i have a problem with that, whatever brand of religion, i don't go around telling everyone to become atheist, never would, it's none of my buisness,as what i beleive is none of yours .

ideally, schools should teach all religions equally, also agnosticism, and people can make up there own minds, also why should everyone believe in one religion, the true teachings of all religions allow peaceful integration between all faiths, as spain did for many years after the inquisition.

I think most western countries, england in particular, have a problem with any religion they would call extreme, the decline in nuns and priests confirms that this is not just relating to eastern religions.

For the record, I was brought up a catholic, and I think the religious education in catholic schools is very blinkered (or at least it was when I was at school, a long time ago!) but I'm now agnostic, saying that I love Christmas!

Also, I have met heavy drinking, drug using, wife beating, misogonyst, thieving, violent hypocrites of all religions, no religion can stamp out that lot.

Burt Reynolds wrote:

Comrade Shampanyov wrote:

Burt Reynolds wrote:

bloodynora wrote:

Burt Reynolds wrote: The great thing about religion is, that you have to believe in one, before you can convert to another.

that's not true though, is it?

Not entirely no.. Islam does target the mentally unhinged, weak, and disadvantaged too.

I remember having a conversation recently with a group of Muslims, who were bragging about the conversion of Mike Tyson to Islam.

Actually didnt that recent mentally backward attempted cafe suicide bomber come from somewhere like Bristol? He was English, and led astray by people that wanted to be 'his friends'.

Scientologists?

It's a bit like that over here, cos we haven't yet suffered that lot yet. This particular case was a mentally backward lad who was convinced into suicide bombing a cafe, and ended up setting himself on fire.

I wasn't going to mention this but feel I should after reading it for a second time, just so I can point out that not all 'mentally backward' lads grow up to be attempted suicide bombers. In fact most suicide bombers, or attempted suicide bombers even, have not been diagnosed with any form of mental illness. In this case the lad had been diagnosed with Aspergers Symndrome, which is an autistic spectrum disorder (ASD). I know a lot about it because my 6 year old lad has it. And my lad ain't mentally backward, in fact he's got a farkin huge IQ. He just has problems with social interaction and interpretating the hidden signals that we use and take for granted every day. There, I've said it.....:\ohwell:

Mansour Ali wrote: The other big issue, womens clothing. There is no reason for women to be scantily clad, or indeed men, at any time. There is no good reason for it other than freedom (freedom to what, encourage male predators).

Arranged marriages are also a good thing in general for societal stability.

http://www.match.com/

Dodjem wrote:

Mansour Ali wrote: The other big issue, womens clothing. There is no reason for women to be scantily clad, or indeed men, at any time. There is no good reason for it other than freedom (freedom to what, encourage male predators).

Arranged marriages are also a good thing in general for societal stability.

http://www.match.com/

http://www.adultsheepfinder.com/

You are lucky, my text disappeared...

All the European countries which host a huge muslim minority face the same problems.

First of all, this remains minority. I cannot see why the majority would have to follow a minority art de vivre. In these minorities a lot of people try to integrate in the country they are. And you can claim all you want, the ones who cause them the more problems are not the ones of the majority, but the Holy Guards of their minority.

I know Brits and French like to hate themselves, by tradition, sake of history. We can claim that we are living in the two most different countries in the world, the problem is the same.

So my point is that there is an alternative to Islam reeducating any country.

Alf wrote:

I wasn't going to mention this but feel I should after reading it for a second time, just so I can point out that not all 'mentally backward' lads grow up to be attempted suicide bombers. In fact most suicide bombers, or attempted suicide bombers even, have not been diagnosed with any form of mental illness. In this case the lad had been diagnosed with Aspergers Symndrome, which is an autistic spectrum disorder (ASD). I know a lot about it because my 6 year old lad has it. And my lad ain't mentally backward, in fact he's got a farkin huge IQ. He just has problems with social interaction and interpretating the hidden signals that we use and take for granted every day. There, I've said it.....:\ohwell:

Oh no, I wasn't suggesting that at all, and apologies if it came across that way. I was merely using it to say that the extreme side of Islam, as do many religions in fact, tend to exploit the susceptible and naive, normally through social interaction. 'We wanna be your friend' etc.

I went to uni with an autistic guy, who was clearly supremely intelligent to us all, but when it came to common sense, and being streetwise, he was always being taken for a ride. Nice chap though, but perhaps too nice.

El Jarvo wrote: Jeezus, how many Muslims do you actually know? Some of my best drinking buddies are Muslim. Certainly at work they are. The Turkish lads in particularly like to part-eh!

Soufie Muslims from Turkey are ace. They do all the bad stuff, have scantily clad lasses etc. When pushed on Islam, they say 'it's in their heart', often with a chuckle.

It's the Sunni and particularly Shia you've got to watch out for.

In Britain it is common for a growing minority of teenagers to have several children, often with different and unknown fathers. On the other side of coin you have bachelors/spinsters/shagabonds in their 30's and 40's. The latter being unmarried and free are more vulnerable to the risks of alcoholism, driving offences, risk taking, promiscuity, VD and inevitably also prone to sexual deviance such as rape and possibly also paedophilia.

Alernatively towards the orient, people will be coerced to marry people with similar characteristics in their late twenties after education and vocations have been consolidated. I am not saying we impose this on the people of GB but it is important to be aware of why western civilisation is starting to fall apart a little and how some of the above problems are interlinked. Whether Islam is the vehicle for fixing the problem, who knows.

Mansour Ali wrote: In Britain it is common for a growing minority of teenagers to have several children, often with different and unknown fathers. On the other side of coin you have bachelors/spinsters/shagabonds in their 30's and 40's.

oh my giddy aunt. i am practically single-handedly responsible for the decline of western civilisation.

and i'm probably only moments away from becoming an alcoholic rapist or a paedophile with points on my licence.

Mansour Ali wrote: In Britain it is common for a growing minority of teenagers to have several children, often with different and unknown fathers. On the other side of coin you have bachelors/spinsters/shagabonds in their 30's and 40's. The latter being unmarried and free are more vulnerable to the risks of alcoholism, driving offences, risk taking, promiscuity, VD and inevitably also prone to sexual deviance such as rape and possibly also paedophilia.

Alernatively towards the orient, people will be coerced to marry people with similar characteristics in their late twenties after education and vocations have been consolidated. I am not saying we impose this on the people of GB but it is important to be aware of why western civilisation is starting to fall apart a little and how some of the above problems are interlinked. Whether Islam is the vehicle for fixing the problem, who knows.

I think we've been doing pretty much the same thing for the last 2000 years. Going back to 1429 isn't going to help matters.

I think you are perhaps correct in linking alcohol to some of the social problems in this country, although personally, i think that in the last decade and a half its become more readily available. This is reversible; it's government policy. Stricter licensing controls would help (i.e. stop giving a license to every shop along the street). Policing needs to be changed; i.e. police turn up fast when you call them (not 24 hours later), and perhaps the judicial system needs to actually stop letting people off. Another thing that would help is reforming the benefit system (particularly incapacity benefit), and also much tighter controls on immigration flow.

Religion is not a cure in any shape or form.

bloodynora wrote:

Mansour Ali wrote: In Britain it is common for a growing minority of teenagers to have several children, often with different and unknown fathers. On the other side of coin you have bachelors/spinsters/shagabonds in their 30's and 40's.

oh my giddy aunt. i am practically single-handedly responsible for the decline of western civilisation.

and i'm probably only moments away from becoming an alcoholic rapist or a paedophile with points on my licence.

I got 3 points on my licence for doing 35 in a 30. I'm just getting out a mat, which way is Mecca?

Mansour Ali wrote: ...you have bachelors/spinsters/shagabonds in their 30's and 40's. The latter being unmarried and free are more... prone to sexual deviance such as rape and possibly also paedophilia...

Reached Oz yet?

Mansour Ali wrote: In Britain it is common for a growing minority of teenagers to have several children, often with different and unknown fathers. On the other side of coin you have bachelors/spinsters/shagabonds in their 30's and 40's. The latter being unmarried and free are more vulnerable to the risks of alcoholism, driving offences, risk taking, promiscuity, VD and inevitably also prone to sexual deviance such as rape and possibly also paedophilia.

Alernatively towards the orient, people will be coerced to marry people with similar characteristics in their late twenties after education and vocations have been consolidated. I am not saying we impose this on the people of GB but it is important to be aware of why western civilisation is starting to fall apart a little and how some of the above problems are interlinked. Whether Islam is the vehicle for fixing the problem, who knows.

If girls aren't meant to have babies until they are like 25 of something, why did oh so fucking clever cunt allah design them differently? Paedo is he?

Mansour Ali wrote: On the other side of coin you have bachelors/spinsters/shagabonds in their 30's and 40's. The latter being unmarried and free are more vulnerable to the risks of alcoholism, driving offences, risk taking, promiscuity, VD and inevitably also prone to sexual deviance such as rape and possibly also paedophilia.

I'm off to hand myself in at the station. You will all write to me won't you?

If girls aren't meant to have babies until they are like 25 of something, why did oh so fucking clever cunt allah design them differently? Paedo is he?

Actually the pelvic floor muscles arent fully developed until 23 or so and optimum fertility is in the mid 20's ish. Islam isnt completely seperate from the Darwinian selection process. But actually the age of female marriage can be as low as 14 as long as they have completed as much education as they need.

If you're proposing that people get married at an early age, are you married?

So? what? It was the subcontractors that screwed up? God specified 23, but they forgot to hold the menstrual cycle until then? They never got his stonemail?

Nick King wrote: If you're proposing that people get married at an early age, are you married?

Don't be soft Nick, nobody married advocates marriage.

Doctor? wrote:

Nick King wrote: If you're proposing that people get married at an early age, are you married?

Don't be soft Nick, nobody married advocates marriage.

True! :p

Nick King wrote: If you're proposing that people get married at an early age, are you married?

I am not. I am still only 24 though. arabia/india/malay/indo male marital age normally is betweem 25 and 25. Hookers are available in conservative countries but its very discreet.

Mansour Ali wrote:

Nick King wrote: If you're proposing that people get married at an early age, are you married?

I am not. I am still only 24 though. arabia/india/malay/indo male marital age normally is betweem 25 and 25. Hookers are available in conservative countries but its very discreet.

So, you've got a year to find a wife - better get on with it then...!

Mansour Ali wrote: . The latter being unmarried and free are more vulnerable to the risks of alcoholism, driving offences, risk taking, promiscuity, VD and inevitably also prone to sexual deviance such as rape and possibly also paedophilia.

Anne Widdecombe Charlotte Bronte Mother Teresa

Who knew???? :\ohwell:

I am an RE Teacher.

That is all.

Knuckles wrote:

That's probably true, but science has usually served society, so when religion was dominant in society it served that. In the early modern period, it began to serve government on a utilitarian basis. It's more independent than it used to be.

But how many lab coats do you see in Riyadh?

Actually its not any more independent now than in the past. The only studies are those that government or markets find is worthwhile in funding... and many of these are only looking for one answer. Without funding there is no new science...

On your last note, it is interesting that the Middle Eastern countries are the initial countries to save Greek and Roman science, without them all would have been lost to the barbaric horde... then the Catholic church took science under its wing (having to retranslate back to latin from Arabic) and soon after Islam came around and science was destroyed in the area. It really is amazing that we know anything about Aristotle (which is, of course, the foundation of all science).

Mansour Ali wrote: In Britain it is common for a growing minority of teenagers to have several children, often with different and unknown fathers. On the other side of coin you have bachelors/spinsters/shagabonds in their 30's and 40's. The latter being unmarried and free are more vulnerable to the risks of alcoholism, driving offences, risk taking, promiscuity, VD and inevitably also prone to sexual deviance such as rape and possibly also paedophilia.

You really do write a load of bollocks don't you. There is no evidence to support your claims. Just because you're single, why does that make you more likely to commit driving offences? rape, alcoholism and paedophilia???? I'm single, not promiscuous, use precautions to avoid unwanted pregnancy and disease. I drink modestly, am a very careful driver and certainly have no inclination to rape anyone. As for paedophilia, that's about the most stupid thing I've ever seen anyone post. How does that sit with you?

As for why do western women wear skimpy clothes? it's because they can and aren't dictated to by misogynistic male muslims. The evidence would suggest that because male muslims can't control their urges, they make women cover up completely, lest they be raped because of their lack of control. So all male muslims are potentially walking rapists.

Ha ha wanker, fuck off.

Kevin Smith wrote:

Mansour Ali wrote: In Britain it is common for a growing minority of teenagers to have several children, often with different and unknown fathers. On the other side of coin you have bachelors/spinsters/shagabonds in their 30's and 40's. The latter being unmarried and free are more vulnerable to the risks of alcoholism, driving offences, risk taking, promiscuity, VD and inevitably also prone to sexual deviance such as rape and possibly also paedophilia.

You really do write a load of bollocks don't you. There is no evidence to support your claims. Just because you're single, why does that make you more likely to commit driving offences? rape, alcoholism and paedophilia???? I'm single, not promiscuous, use precautions to avoid unwanted pregnancy and disease. I drink modestly, am a very careful driver and certainly have no inclination to rape anyone. As for paedophilia, that's about the most stupid thing I've ever seen anyone post. How does that sit with you?

As for why do western women wear skimpy clothes? it's because they can and aren't dictated to by misogynistic male muslims. The evidence would suggest that because male muslims can't control their urges, they make women cover up completely, lest they be raped because of their lack of control. So all male muslims are potentially walking rapists.

Ha ha wanker, fuck off.

(a) Single people are naturally more inpulsive. For example, car insurance claims are higher from the single demographic. Other vices are equally easier to fall in to amongst singles. As for teenagers, well segregated schooling is the only way forward.

(b) with regard to your second point, people must be able to cope with the negative aspects of western culture also. If you examine it closely there is no real need for the under 20's to be dressed scantily late at night, its all about attracting attention. Its like people here and in US want to have their cake and eat it; they want the ability to be wild and reckless and then when it goes wrong to change and become sanctimonious. Its like they pick and choose their morality, some sets of undesirables are more preferrable than others in their book.

Islam really is in tune with biological reality. On youtube there are some good - and also amusing lectures by the doctor and teacher Dr Zakir Naik.

Smoking is haraam depending on your interpretation but compared with alcohol its much more innocous to society. Alcohol can kill in hours, smoking cant. People dont fight or rape after smoking etc.. In addition, smoking kills people off before they are seriously old and debilitated but doesnt put them in A+E when they are 20 and economically and socially useful.

Obviously difficult to come up with a coherent argument when you are reading the book and posting as you go.

Seems he's got to the bit about Haram so we'll be having a change to a geometric design for avatar when he gets to the next section.

Mansour Ali wrote:

Nick King wrote: If you're proposing that people get married at an early age, are you married?

I am not. I am still only 24 though. arabia/india/malay/indo male marital age normally is betweem 25 and 25. Hookers are available in conservative countries but its very discreet.

so your endorsing prostitution now???

Mansour Ali wrote:

(a) Single people are naturally more inpulsive. For example, car insurance claims are higher from the single demographic. Other vices are equally easier to fall in to amongst singles. As for teenagers, well segregated schooling is the only way forward.

Bollocks. There are no statistics to support your claim re car insurance. Or your second claim.

Segregated schooling - cos people of your demograph can't see a woman without wanting to rape her? There is nothing to support why segregated schooling would prevent teenagers meeting in a non-school sitation.

(b) with regard to your second point, people must be able to cope with the negative aspects of western culture also. If you examine it closely there is no real need for the under 20's to be dressed scantily late at night, its all about attracting attention. Its like people here and in US want to have their cake and eat it; they want the ability to be wild and reckless and then when it goes wrong to change and become sanctimonious. Its like they pick and choose their morality, some sets of undesirables are more preferrable than others in their book.

Islam really is in tune with biological reality. On youtube there are some good - and also amusing lectures by the doctor and teacher Dr Zakir Naik

If you don't like western culture, don't bang on about it. Go back to your cave and leave us to it. There doesn't have to be a need. We believe in democracy, the ability to express oneself in whatever way we desire.

Take your Islamic shit and shove it up your arse.

Ally wrote:

Mansour Ali wrote: On the other side of coin you have bachelors/spinsters/shagabonds in their 30's and 40's. The latter being unmarried and free are more vulnerable to the risks of alcoholism, driving offences, risk taking, promiscuity, VD and inevitably also prone to sexual deviance such as rape and possibly also paedophilia.

Single people are naturally more inpulsive. For example, car insurance claims are higher from the single demographic. Other vices are equally easier to fall in to amongst singles.

So, you're equating a few singletons crashing their cars to eventual STDs, rape and paedophilia? Utterly absurd and you'll have to do better than a car insurance survey to convince people singletons have a dangerous and detrimental effect on society. How is your arranged marriage coming along by the way?

I'm curious, how do you rate fanatical Muslims who blow up tube trains? The teachings and guidance of Islam really worked out a treat with those people.

Your arguments are riddled with flaws and you're putting forward assumptions you can't possibly back up with credible evidence. So far you say:

• Northerners are boorish, insecure and ultimately useless.
• Women who do not dress in a table cloth are slags.
• Kids are scum and should be divided up into pens.
• Everyone hates the home counties.
• The home counties is the best place to live.
• People who honour war dead are melancholic hard men or Tory women.
• People who disagree with me are Tories.

Anything else we're missing?

What a knob.

The 7/7 bombers were of Pakistani backgrounds. Aside from Afro Caribbeans, Pakistani asians have the lowest educational attainment in Britain. This follows through to their economic underachievements also. They also happen to be Muslim, just as there are idiots in the bible belt of America who pursue extreme Christianity. I get the impression with MSK, Tanveer etc that in essence they arent fundamentally bad as people just they are extremely niave and have a misguided sense of purpose.

But they do at least have purpose. A lot of the trashier parts of white Britain dont seem to have any purpose at all. Merely they consume and shag and pass that on to their offspring.

Mansour Ali wrote: Smoking is haraam depending on your interpretation but compared with alcohol its much more innocous to society. Alcohol can kill in hours, smoking cant. People dont fight or rape after smoking etc.. In addition, smoking kills people off before they are seriously old and debilitated but doesnt put them in A+E when they are 20 and economically and socially useful.

You have no understanding of alcohol. You don't have a pint and then die a couple of hours later. Just cos you've had a pint, you don't decide to rape someone or fight. They are individual characteristics of certain people and not related to alcohol at all.

Of course, if you advocate smoking, then you are clearly a twat.

Kevin Smith wrote: You have no understanding of alcohol. You don't have a pint and then die a couple of hours later. Just cos you've had a pint, you don't decide to rape someone or fight. They are individual characteristics of certain people and not related to alcohol at all.

Of course, if you advocate smoking, then you are clearly a twat.

But even with chain smoking you wont pass out or become unpredictable. The worst drinks are the shots I believe, which cause severe damage to many organs even in small quantities because the brain and the liver especially werent ever desinged to cope and process this sort of substance. But with all alcohol we know its an affliction which a lot of people cant cope with. So why the hell do people complain about drink driving, yet dont seem to care that almost anybody can buy it from Morrisons just like that. Alcohol is dangerous in certain members of the working class who lack certain intellectual functions which can be used during impairment. Many oxbridge students can conduct coherent political debate even after a considerable amount has been consumed.

chris morris? is that you?

Mansour Ali wrote:

But even with chain smoking you wont pass out or become unpredictable.

maybe not but other people will die from lung cancer from your irresponsable behavior.

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: oh...does anyone else feel dumber for reading some of this tripe???

Old Lead Foot wrote:

Mansour Ali wrote:

But even with chain smoking you wont pass out or become unpredictable.

maybe not but other people will die from lung cancer from your irresponsable behavior.

Ridiculous. Think about traffic and other environmental pollution not to mention the cancer risk from other consumer products such as cellphones. Everything has a finite life span, no form of death is pretty. People are living too long and are dwarfing the number of people of working age.

so the proven link between passive smoking and lung cancer is nonsence then?

Old Lead Foot wrote: so the proven link between passive smoking and lung cancer is nonsence then?

I am not saying its not true I just think that if you are gonna have a vice, make it that one. It really isnt as antisocial as people make out. There is nothing wrong with being overweight either, quite absurd.

so now your indifferent to people having vices then?, smoking and prostitution, anything else ok with your fantastic all wise religeous claptrap?

Mansour Ali wrote: So why the hell do people complain about drink driving, yet dont seem to care that almost anybody can buy it from Morrisons just like that.

What's that got to do with the price of eggs? Just because you buy 4 cans of lager or a bottle of wine from the supermarket, doesn't mean that after you have consumed it, you are then going to drive your car. Yet again, your argument doesn't hold up.

twat wrote: Many oxbridge students can conduct coherent political debate even after a considerable amount has been consumed.

I hate to point out that you are still talking bollocks.

Kevin Smith wrote:

Mansour Ali wrote: So why the hell do people complain about drink driving, yet dont seem to care that almost anybody can buy it from Morrisons just like that.

What's that got to do with the price of eggs? Just because you buy 4 cans of lager or a bottle of wine from the supermarket, doesn't mean that after you have consumed it, you are then going to drive your car. Yet again, your argument doesn't hold up.

twat wrote: Many oxbridge students can conduct coherent political debate even after a considerable amount has been consumed.

I hate to point out that you are still talking bollocks.

But poor or thick people can freely buy this potent stuff just too easily. Basically the issue is do you allow easy and available access to alcohol when there is a risk that thick or vulnerable people can potentially end up killing themselves and other people.

DO us a favour mate. Become a martyr for Allah.....go suicide bomb an empty field in wales.

What a truly world class imbecile you are, even a bit more than most religious people.

Ah, you beat me to it Steve. I had to move away from the desk to find the corkscrew, then realised it was a screw top anyway! Tut.

Mansour Ali wrote:

But poor or thick people can freely buy this potent stuff just too easily. Basically the issue is do you allow easy and available access to alcohol when there is a risk that thick or vulnerable people can potentially end up killing themselves and other people.

those fucking poor and thick people. always mucking things up for the rest of us. we should get rid of them somehow. i dunno, just kind of round them up and make them disappear or something. at the very least stop them breeding. ugh.

you know what, now i come to think to think of it, i did once see a thick person in morrison's. it's an outrage, actually.

We don't want anyone telling us we can't eat Bacon Sandwiches either OK ?

bloodynora wrote:

Mansour Ali wrote:

But poor or thick people can freely buy this potent stuff just too easily. Basically the issue is do you allow easy and available access to alcohol when there is a risk that thick or vulnerable people can potentially end up killing themselves and other people.

those fucking poor and thick people. always mucking things up for the rest of us. we should get rid of them somehow. i dunno, just kind of round them up and make them disappear or something. at the very least stop them breeding. ugh.

you know what, now i come to think to think of it, i did once see a thick person in morrison's. it's an outrage, actually.

I dunno, anyone thicker than say, a poodle, probably shouldn't be allowed to do most things, children of such people should be removed and placed with intelligent relatives (you have to think of the children's right to not be raised a retard). Of course regular attendance of Mosques/Churches/Synagogues is hardly the action of the intelligent....see the plan here....get the kids away from them, cos no adult, hearing their guff for the very first time, would do anything but nut the average god botherer.

BTW, you're a very evil woman Bx, in one of your facebook pics, I can see part of your neck, so that's a raping for you then!! tut tut.

bloodynora wrote:

Mansour Ali wrote:

But poor or thick people can freely buy this potent stuff just too easily. Basically the issue is do you allow easy and available access to alcohol when there is a risk that thick or vulnerable people can potentially end up killing themselves and other people.

those fucking poor and thick people. always mucking things up for the rest of us. we should get rid of them somehow. i dunno, just kind of round them up and make them disappear or something. at the very least stop them breeding. ugh.

you know what, now i come to think to think of it, i did once see a thick person in morrison's. it's an outrage, actually.

I can't be poor or thick, cos I pay a delivery charge to have the wicked liquid delivered by the caseload! Clever eh?

Kath wrote:

bloodynora wrote:

Mansour Ali wrote:

But poor or thick people can freely buy this potent stuff just too easily. Basically the issue is do you allow easy and available access to alcohol when there is a risk that thick or vulnerable people can potentially end up killing themselves and other people.

those fucking poor and thick people. always mucking things up for the rest of us. we should get rid of them somehow. i dunno, just kind of round them up and make them disappear or something. at the very least stop them breeding. ugh.

you know what, now i come to think to think of it, i did once see a thick person in morrison's. it's an outrage, actually.

I can't be poor or thick, cos I pay a delivery charge to have the wicked liquid delivered by the caseload! Clever eh?

There's skin in your avatar (after all, to this 'tard "scantily clad" means not wearing a tent)......another one for a rapin' then. WHORES THE LOT OF YOU!!!!!!!

Sorry.

I will change my avatar, and my ways in general.

Sorry. xx

Not just skin Cambo, you can practically see down her top.

SLUT!

Dodjem wrote: Not just skin Cambo, you can practically see down her top.

SLUT!

BITCH!

So, I'm right in thinking that you're a single (white?) 24 year old muslim with left-wing politics, but don't like the poor/single-mothers/all the other claptrap that Tory MP's/Daily Mail Readers bang on about? You also don't like Northerners, but like a Northern band??

Shouldn't you vote Conservative?

Or should that be Liberal?! :p

I know you're a fan of Chris Morris, but even he could coherently put together a better wind-up than you!

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote:

Flying Teapot wrote: We don't want anyone telling us we can't eat Bacon Sandwiches either OK ?

I concur...but I brought up the bacon thing already...

You didn't cook it properly then!

Nick King wrote: So, I'm right in thinking that you're a single (white?) 24 year old muslim with left-wing politics, but don't like the poor/single-mothers/all the other claptrap that Tory MP's/Daily Mail Readers bang on about? You also don't like Northerners, but like a Northern band??

Shouldn't you vote Conservative?

Or should that be Liberal?! :p

I know you're a fan of Chris Morris, but even he could coherently put together a better wind-up than you!

Don't let him know you smoke, or you will be next!

Old Lead Foot wrote: perfectly fine being an atheist thanks , if you want to beleive in a sky fairy as cambo says, fine, if you want everyone to beleive what YOU do, i have a problem with that, whatever brand of religion, i don't go around telling everyone to become atheist, never would, it's none of my buisness,as what i beleive is none of yours .

You should come to my class. I tell the geeks i'm an aethiest and I might as well have poured a bucket of shit over their grandparents.

Most worrying thing he's posted is his awareness of the name Max Moseley....either he's a fellow F1 nut (oh dear!), or a big fan of the British Facist Party.

Uncle Liam wrote:

Old Lead Foot wrote: perfectly fine being an atheist thanks , if you want to beleive in a sky fairy as cambo says, fine, if you want everyone to beleive what YOU do, i have a problem with that, whatever brand of religion, i don't go around telling everyone to become atheist, never would, it's none of my buisness,as what i beleive is none of yours .

You should come to my class. I tell the geeks i'm an aethiest and I might as well have poured a bucket of shit over their grandparents.

Liam, pretty pretty please, with sugar encrusted roses on it.....video one of you lessons for us.

You've finally found a definition of Religious Education that isn't doesn't render it an oxymoron.

I cant be arsed reading the rest of the thread, can someone provide a synopsis for me?

Nick King wrote: So, I'm right in thinking that you're a single (white?) 24 year old muslim with left-wing politics, but don't like the poor/single-mothers/all the other claptrap that Tory MP's/Daily Mail Readers bang on about? You also don't like Northerners, but like a Northern band??

Shouldn't you vote Conservative?

Or should that be Liberal?! :p

I know you're a fan of Chris Morris, but even he could coherently put together a better wind-up than you!

overall vaguely centrist.

Northerness is best when its not rammed in peoples faces (stuart maconie is one of the worst). Cumbria, NE, Durham is ok. Really the provinces are all fairly similar, Westcountry people, Anglian people and Northerners are always slightly behind SE England in the same way that UK is slightly behind the US and continental Europe.

There is a difference between poor people and people of bovine stupidity. Although inevitably wealth and intellect are usually linked.

Dunno what Chris Morris is doing these days. Some rumour about him being in a west end musical or something?

Doctor? wrote:

Uncle Liam wrote:

Old Lead Foot wrote: perfectly fine being an atheist thanks , if you want to beleive in a sky fairy as cambo says, fine, if you want everyone to beleive what YOU do, i have a problem with that, whatever brand of religion, i don't go around telling everyone to become atheist, never would, it's none of my buisness,as what i beleive is none of yours .

You should come to my class. I tell the geeks i'm an aethiest and I might as well have poured a bucket of shit over their grandparents.

Liam, pretty pretty please, with sugar encruster roses on it.....video one of you lessons for us.

I dont think I have the equipment, but this is one of he classes in Uni anyway, where we supposedly get "taught to teach"

The highlights are many. I find the whole thing intellectually demeaning (and I'm not the only one!) so i just sit there and wind the geeks up.

Uncle Liam wrote: I cant be arsed reading the rest of the thread, can someone provide a synopsis for me?

Usual shite.....everything that's wrong with this country (most of which is stuff that's not actually wrong with the country) is entirely down to the lack of wide adoption of his personal view of the flying spaghetti monster.

Actually half the time he sounds like you, but less cuddly.

Uncle Liam wrote: I cant be arsed reading the rest of the thread, can someone provide a synopsis for me?

Ok, in a nutshell.............

Someone says something, but not offering much in the way of explanation, upsets some other people, then someone makes rash unsubstantiated comments about other people who live in different parts of the country, which basically upsets more people ........and that's about it really. Oh, and drink, drugs etc etc are responsible for everything. That do?

EDIT: I am a woman AND I'm from the Midlands, so I may have it wrong.

Mansour Ali wrote:

There is a difference between poor people and people of bovine stupidity. Although inevitably wealth and intellect are usually linked.

LOL Now I KNOW you're insane.

Have you SEEN the British landed gentry at all?

I can tell you from direct personal experience too that a posh postcode is about 5 times as likely to belong to a fucking idiot as one that's in some scummy area. AND idiots of that nature always arue their idiocy, whereas most of the think "scum" take it on the chin and laugh it off.

Stupidity is a universal thing, it's the stupid person's attitude to it that varies. Eg...HM Govt. all rich....have you SEEN any of their IT based policy? ROFLMAO

You are actually more annoying than a nest of cockroaches in the underpants.

You are actually more annoying than a nest of cockroaches in the underpants.

Pray tell.

Doctor? wrote:

Uncle Liam wrote: I cant be arsed reading the rest of the thread, can someone provide a synopsis for me?

Usual shite.....everything that's wrong with this country (most of which is stuff that's not actually wrong with the country) is entirely down to the lack of wide adoption of his personal view of the flying spaghetti monster.

Actually half the time he sounds like you, but less cuddly.

Thats so 2004.

Let me tell you about Islam. No disrespect to anyone but (apart from Buddhism, sitting under a tree meditating) the whole story is ridiculous. Now, I'm not disputing that some bloke called Muhmmaed lived in Mecca around 650AD and did a bit of preaching and got some followers. But the story goes like this, Mecca was full of people worshipping false gods and icons and paying a shitload of money to do it (sounds a bit like watching New Order, but i digress...) Muhammed doesnt like this, so goes up to some cave in the mountains for a few days to pray, and apparently the Angel Gabriel appears to him and says a few things (basically, there is one god and he is Allah) and tells Mohammed to spread the word. And he tells his wife, and she becomes the first muslim (apparently Muhammed wasnt a Muslim by that logic). And then his follwers grow, they get kicked out of Mecca, then they come back (which is cutting a long story short but what can yuo do). Then there's a BATTLE* which the Muslims win and whoever was originally in mecca at the time is kicked out. Muhammed then dies and ASCENDS TO HEAVEN IN SEVEN STAGES ON A FLYING HORSE. A fucking horse! Which flys! Fuck me.

Christianity is almost as bad. The whole ascension to heaven doesnt wash with me. But I dont dispute that there was some bloke called Jesus who had a number of followers around jerusalem about 2000 years ago.

*Yes, a BATTLE. Its conveniently forgotten that Islam was spread pretty much solely by war. Funny thing is, some left wing scholars subscribe to a belief that Yank foreign policy is due to the expansionist mindset, yet suggest the same to them about Islam and the spread of and the desire of many Muslims to convert the whole world they'll just ignore you. Wierd.

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote:

Flying Teapot wrote: We don't want anyone telling us we can't eat Bacon Sandwiches either OK ?

I concur...but I brought up the bacon thing already...

THanks Jeff, We need a Bacon Sandwich that reaches from the UK to the USA.

That what brings world peace - BACON be it sandwiches or Flaps

Uncle Liam wrote:

Doctor? wrote:

Uncle Liam wrote: I cant be arsed reading the rest of the thread, can someone provide a synopsis for me?

Usual shite.....everything that's wrong with this country (most of which is stuff that's not actually wrong with the country) is entirely down to the lack of wide adoption of his personal view of the flying spaghetti monster.

Actually half the time he sounds like you, but less cuddly.

Thats so 2004.

Let me tell you about Islam. No disrespect to anyone but (apart from Buddhism, sitting under a tree meditating) the whole story is ridiculous. Now, I'm not disputing that some bloke called Muhmmaed lived in Mecca around 650AD and did a bit of preaching and got some followers. But the story goes like this, Mecca was full of people worshipping false gods and icons and paying a shitload of money to do it (sounds a bit like watching New Order, but i digress...) Muhammed doesnt like this, so goes up to some cave in the mountains for a few days to pray, and apparently the Angel Gabriel appears to him and says a few things (basically, there is one god and he is Allah) and tells Mohammed to spread the word. And he tells his wife, and she becomes the first muslim (apparently Muhammed wasnt a Muslim by that logic). And then his follwers grow, they get kicked out of Mecca, then they come back (which is cutting a long story short but what can yuo do). Then there's a BATTLE* which the Muslims win and whoever was originally in mecca at the time is kicked out. Muhammed then dies and ASCENDS TO HEAVEN IN SEVEN STAGES ON A FLYING HORSE. A fucking horse! Which flys! Fuck me.

Christianity is almost as bad. The whole ascension to heaven doesnt wash with me. But I dont dispute that there was some bloke called Jesus who had a number of followers around jerusalem about 2000 years ago.

*Yes, a BATTLE. Its conveniently forgotten that Islam was spread pretty much solely by war. Funny thing is, some left wing scholars subscribe to a belief that Yank foreign policy is due to the expansionist mindset, yet suggest the same to them about Islam and the spread of and the desire of many Muslims to convert the whole world they'll just ignore you. Wierd.

You are missing a point in Islam though, and the main problem with it is that its splintered into two groups... one that follows the Kuran (which is not a bad book) and others that follow Muhammeds actions (which contradict the Kuran). The latter have been dubbed 'extremists', but really they believe Muhammed's actions are more important than the book.

I do think its wrong to take a swipe at all Islamists and classifying them all under one umbrella... as this clearly is not the case.

Oh, the "kuran" isnt a bad book? Come on then, lets have a review.

You can start by spelling the name properly.

El Jarvo wrote:

EdelBrock wrote: I do think its wrong to take a swipe at all Islamists and classifying them all under one umbrella... as this clearly is not the case.

Eh? How long have you been here?

Sweeping generalisations against Norverners, Southerners, Yanks, Muslims, Goffs, Teachers, Single Mums, Squaddies, etc, etc, are what form the lifeblood of this forum.

You forgot 'People from Corby' Al

El Jarvo wrote:

EdelBrock wrote: I do think its wrong to take a swipe at all Islamists and classifying them all under one umbrella... as this clearly is not the case.

Eh? How long have you been here?

Sweeping generalisations against Norverners, Southerners, Yanks, Muslims, Goffs, Teachers, Single Mums, Squaddies, etc, etc, are what form the lifeblood of this forum.

I forgot where I was for amoment

Uncle Liam wrote: Oh, the "kuran" isnt a bad book? Come on then, lets have a review.

You can start by spelling the name properly.

Depends if yer Soufie, Shia, Sunni, and the other strains Liam. Arabic spelling is normally Q'uran. They're all a bunch of illiterate peasants anyway.

Flying Teapot wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

EdelBrock wrote: I do think its wrong to take a swipe at all Islamists and classifying them all under one umbrella... as this clearly is not the case.

Eh? How long have you been here?

Sweeping generalisations against Norverners, Southerners, Yanks, Muslims, Goffs, Teachers, Single Mums, Squaddies, etc, etc, are what form the lifeblood of this forum.

You forgot 'People from Corby' Al

I think that about sums Behind Closed Doors up in a nutshell.

A good place to visit,but you would'nt want to live here.

Unless,you are Ronald Kirsch.

Hang on...even he's moved out!

All religions have dodgy elements and are open to misinterpretation.

Shock News.

DigitalWaters wrote: All religions have dodgy elements and are open to misinterpretation.

Shock News.

From the book of Dr Obvious. Chapter seven,verse eight.

Boatraceface wrote:

A good place to visit,but you would'nt want to live here.

Unless,you are Ronald Kirsch.

Hang on...even he's moved out!

But he's watching!

Hi Ron, hope you are keeping well

This thread is soo funny i am even expecting a reply from Ron or even scouser John Kershie

Don't James, you'll gimme the creeps.

Y'know I have been thinking.....this is why the religious bother me, they generally can't just get on with it, they have to piss everyone else off about it.

Here's a clue.....if "Heaven" is full of devout Christians, fundamentalist Muslims and those Jewish geezers with the dreads (I know the right name, I just can't spell it).....then hands up who fancies spending eternity there? Thought not.

Doctor? wrote: Here's a clue.....if "Heaven" is full of devout Christians, fundamentalist Muslims and those Jewish geezers with the dreads (I know the right name, I just can't spell it).....then hands up who fancies spending eternity there? Thought not.

Doubt you have much to worry about there, Cambo. Nor me.

Burt Reynolds wrote:

Doctor? wrote: Here's a clue.....if "Heaven" is full of devout Christians, fundamentalist Muslims and those Jewish geezers with the dreads (I know the right name, I just can't spell it).....then hands up who fancies spending eternity there? Thought not.

Doubt you have much to worry about there, Cambo. Nor me.

True enough. But let's see how appealing this sounds.....give up your life of debauched hedonism and declare yourself a son of the prophet, live a life of prayer and self deprivation, and at the end of it, as a reward....you get to spend all eternity with Mansour here.

What's that Shakespearean quote Liam is so fond of?

Oh yes! NO BUYS!

Doctor? wrote: if "Heaven" is full of devout Christians, fundamentalist Muslims and those Jewish geezers with the dreads (I know the right name, I just can't spell it).....then hands up who fancies spending eternity there? Thought not.

Are you sure that's heaven you're describing?

FFS, if this was a Sci Fi film we've reached the stage where they'd have to risk all and wake the beast ( ) to try and save everyone else

Doctor? wrote:

But let's see how appealing this sounds.....give up your life of debauched hedonism and declare yourself a son of the prophet, live a life of prayer and self deprivation, and at the end of it, as a reward....you get to spend all eternity with Mansour here.

I thought it was 72 virgins.

Surely they didn't mean Mansour and 71 of his brothers?

James Thomas wrote: FFS, if this was a Sci Fi film we've reached the stage where they'd have to risk all and wake the beast ( ) to try and save everyone else

Y'know, Chrissi sits well in the role of Godzilla to my mind. And like the big scaly bastard himself, she'd devastate this muppet.

Maybe we could get Ronno to tranquilize him with Ozzie-Germanic one liners while we're at it.

OK you clowns. As you seemingly can't so this without me, I shall have to put an end to all this nonsense.

I shall not be debating the merits of Islam other than to say the last time I looked there were a great number on Muslim states or countries where Islam is the majority religion.

Mr King, which one of these shining examples of human rights, democracy and rule of law should the West use as an example to repair itself?

Mr King you really are an annoying poster. Each one of your posts is like a papal pronouncement. Have you ever considered the possibility that your points of view may be wrong and that those of others are just as valid?

BTW I am still on my NOOL break so don't expect any further posts from me any time soon.

Boaty is right about BCD.

This place really has gone to the dogs. It used to be funny and interesting here.

NOOLigan wrote: OK you clowns. As you seemingly can't so this without me, I shall have to put an end to all this nonsense.

I shall not be debating the merits of Islam other than to say the last time I looked there were a great number on Muslim states or countries where Islam is the majority religion.

Mr King, which one of these shining examples of human rights, democracy and rule of law should the West use as an example to repair itself?

Mr King you really are an annoying poster. Each one of your posts is like a papal pronouncement. Have you ever considered the possibility that your points of view may be wrong and that those of others are just as valid?

BTW I am still on my NOOL break so don't expect any further posts from me any time soon.

Boaty is right about BCD.

The Gulf and India. Historically everything significant tends to originate here (think maths, engineering and finance principles in particular) and even today these countries are forecasted to weather the financial storm. Gulf region economic growth should only fall to 6% in particular during 2009.

NOOLigan wrote: OK you clowns. As you seemingly can't so this without me, I shall have to put an end to all this nonsense.

I shall not be debating the merits of Islam other than to say the last time I looked there were a great number on Muslim states or countries where Islam is the majority religion.

Mr King, which one of these shining examples of human rights, democracy and rule of law should the West use as an example to repair itself?

Mr King you really are an annoying poster. Each one of your posts is like a papal pronouncement. Have you ever considered the possibility that your points of view may be wrong and that those of others are just as valid?

BTW I am still on my NOOL break so don't expect any further posts from me any time soon.

Boaty is right about BCD.

This place really has gone to the dogs. It used to be funny and interesting here.

In addition I hear the Bali bombers have been executed, fair enough. To be honest though most of the Aussies and Brits frequenting those barsand clubs were hedonists, dumping their excesses on someone elses doorstep. Its a poor country but a pleasant one I can imagine how inflammatory that must be for some locals.

Mansour Ali wrote:

NOOLigan wrote: OK you clowns. As you seemingly can't so this without me, I shall have to put an end to all this nonsense.

I shall not be debating the merits of Islam other than to say the last time I looked there were a great number on Muslim states or countries where Islam is the majority religion.

Mr King, which one of these shining examples of human rights, democracy and rule of law should the West use as an example to repair itself?

Mr King you really are an annoying poster. Each one of your posts is like a papal pronouncement. Have you ever considered the possibility that your points of view may be wrong and that those of others are just as valid?

BTW I am still on my NOOL break so don't expect any further posts from me any time soon.

Boaty is right about BCD.

The Gulf and India. Historically everything significant tends to originate here (think maths, engineering and finance principles in particular) and even today these countries are forecasted to weather the financial storm. Gulf region economic growth should only fall to 6% in particular during 2009.

You don't seem to get sarcasm either.

Lemme see monarchies whose inhabitants would be living in tents without oil. Just try and get a fair trial in the Gulf. We all remember those cases

The last time I looked India was actually a majority Hindu country.

Over and out.

Please nobody ever respond to Mr King's posts again. He doesn't have a clue.

You don't seem to get sarcasm either.

Lemme see monarchies whose inhabitants would be living in tents without oil. Just try and get a fair trial in the Gulf. We all remember those cases

The last time I looked India was actually a majority Hindu country.

Over and out.

Please nobody ever respond to Mr King's posts again. He doesn't have a clue.

Even without the oil the middle east has always been successful. I mentioned India because the cultural and trade exchanges between the gulf and the subcontinent have been constantly back and forth. India has the largest muslim population on the planet. Most of Maths and Comp sci has origins there, Binary code was developed by Indian and arab mathematicians.

Evening Ron :D

Mansour Ali wrote:

Even without the oil the middle east has always been successful. I mentioned India because the cultural and trade exchanges between the gulf and the subcontinent have been constantly back and forth. India has the largest muslim population on the planet. Most of Maths and Comp sci has origins there, Binary code was developed by Indian and arab mathematicians.

Already mentioned earlier, Arabs kept science from being lost after the fall of the Roman Empire, and then it was transfered over to the Catholic Church. In those times the ME was a thriving place of science and growth (when Pingala was around)... Islam stamped that out, and within 50 years all of science was gone in the ME. To think ME and India are thriving places for science (i.e. math) you really need to get yer head on straight...

sorry Ron:\ohwell:

One last attempt and I really will stop now.

Mr King cite past glories and achievements. I don't dispute those. However, what has the Arab Civilization achieved in say the last 500 years.

Either you are taking the piss or you really believe this crap. Either way I feel sorry for you.

Hi Mike.

Mansour Ali wrote: India has the largest muslim population on the planet.

No, but being better at math, they know that there are 50.7 million more Muslims in Indonesia.

EdelBrock wrote: To think ME and India are thriving places for science (i.e. math) you really need to get yer head on straight...:

Indians put the U.S. to shame in both math and science. Looks like you need to get your head on straight.

Comrade Shampanyov wrote:

EdelBrock wrote: To think ME and India are thriving places for science (i.e. math) you really need to get yer head on straight...:

Indians put the U.S. to shame in both math and science. Looks like you need to get your head on straight.

Yeah, Silicon valley is heavily Indian. Soon though the new Silicon valley will be in Southern India in Hyderabad or Bangalore (already home of Infosys).

NOOLigan wrote:

The last time I looked India was actually a majority Hindu country.

It most certainly is. Generally accepted to be about 8% Muslim. One thing I've learned speaking to Hindus is how hated the Muslim population is in India. Guess this was what led to the creation of Pakistan.

al, they also did that spinning washing line thing aswell

Engineering and maths? The ancient Chinese were MUSLIMS?

Fuck me, you live and learn (unless you're a religious idiot, in which case you just live, learning is satan's work).

El Jarvo wrote:

Burt Reynolds wrote:

NOOLigan wrote:

The last time I looked India was actually a majority Hindu country.

It most certainly is. Generally accepted to be about 8% Muslim. One thing I've learned speaking to Hindus is how hated the Muslim population is in India. Guess this was what led to the creation of Pakistan.

I think it's safe to say the feeling was mutual.

And let's not forget Ghandi (probably the nicest man in the world ever - FACT) was assasinated by a lovely Hindu who thought he was doing to much to appease the Muslims.

Wasn;t Ghandi a nasty little racist? Didn't he write to various governments to ensure they did not confuse good Indians with filthy lazy "kafirs" (I believe that was the particular work he used).

Ahhh yes....

“Ours is one continued struggle against degradation sought to be inflicted upon us by the European, who desire to degrade us to the level of the raw kaffir, whose occupation is hunting and whose sole ambition is to collect a certain number of cattle to buy a wife with, and then pass his life in indolence and nakedness.”

Spent an unusual amount of his time giving enemas to young girls no matter what was wrong with them too.

El Jarvo wrote:

Doctor? wrote: Wasn;t Ghandi a nasty little racist? Didn't he write to various governments to ensure they did not confuse good Indians with filthy lazy "kafirs" (I believe that was the particular work he used).

He'd fit in nicely round these parts then!

Could sound off with the best of 'em, but when push came to shove his was fcuk all use in a row, wasn't he?

It's a lot easier to be into non-violence if a light breeze would snap you in two. ;)

I dunno about anyone here being racist, people seem to be catching shit for personal choices like their prefered manner of god-bothering rather than their genetics. Well....I dunno.....ARE Nawvenahs a race?

Doctor? wrote: Wasn;t Ghandi a nasty little racist?

Gandhi was an idiot. He was quite possibly the biggest religious nutcase of them all. During the holocaust, his 'advice' to the Jews in Europe was to commit suicide rather than fight back against the Nazi's, so extreme was his belief in man and god being the same thing.

Very strange man.

El Jarvo wrote:

NOOLigan wrote: what has the Arab Civilization achieved in say the last 500 years.

At a guess, probably a lot more than the Australian civilisation?

Inventing stubbies ain't an earth-shattering achievement.

This thread produces no benefits. Australia, since European settlement around 200 years ago, has done pretty well for a short time. No major historical violence. Amazing prosperity. There's a few more inventions than the stubby (lawn mower, stealth tech, black box recorders, ulcer treatment discovery), so basically go fuck yourself.

Aussies are really good at swearing and whilst their sexist attitudes are nothing new, they are keeping the faith where other nations are crumbling in the face of feminist equality nonsense.

Diamond 383 wrote: Aussies are really good at swearing and whilst their sexist attitudes are nothing new, they are keeping the faith where other nations are crumbling in the face of feminist equality nonsense.

Precisely why I want to live there. A bloke can be a bloke in Australia. Stubbies, swearing on daytime TV and sunshine. What more could you want?

GlasVegas wrote:

Diamond 383 wrote: Aussies are really good at swearing and whilst their sexist attitudes are nothing new, they are keeping the faith where other nations are crumbling in the face of feminist equality nonsense.

Precisely why I want to live there. A bloke can be a bloke in Australia. Stubbies, swearing on daytime TV and sunshine. What more could you want?

Opposable thumbs?

My Uncle emigrated to Australia last month. Lasted five days. And then came back.

We all had a big going away do for him as well. And then we had a do two weeks later for when he came back. The going away party was brutal. Worst Thai meal EVER. And it was in fucking Wilmslow.

Uncle Liam wrote: My Uncle emigrated to Australia last month. Lasted five days. And then came back.

We all had a big going away do for him as well. And then we had a do two weeks later for when he came back. The going away party was brutal. Worst Thai meal EVER. And it was in fucking Wilmslow.

DON'T YOU DARE SLAG OFF THE THAI POPULATION OF WILMSLOW, YOU FUCKING RACIST CUNT!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sure young Andrew just needs a shag.He'll be doing a No Holiday in a few weeks time and starting a thread about how he's in love and that they are the hottest couple in Bristol.Either that or ,like Liam a few months ago, he still lives with his mummy and uses internet forums to take out his frustration.

johnny wrote: I'm sure young Andrew just needs a shag.He'll be doing a No Holiday in a few weeks time and starting a thread about how he's in love and that they are the hottest couple in Bristol.Either that or ,like Liam a few months ago, he still lives with his mummy and uses internet forums to take out his frustration.

That NH would like it here, difficult to get away from black music at all especially trip hop.

Never understood why these forums get so much traffic from the over 30's here. In all seriousness it must be a pretty unfulfilled marriage/career/life in general to motivate a person to share daily correspondence with a couple of blokes from Corby.

I have the answer - a creche forum for little boys with bad attitudes. This will leave us immoral OAP's to go about our business without interruption.

Are you so devoid of education as to not comprehend that fans of a band who performed through the 70's and 80's might not be 14 (and if you are suprised to find this....I presume you came here to look for 14 year olds to groom in line with bug Mo's wishes).

Do me a favour. Kill yourself. Hang yourself. Stick a hosepipe from you car exhaust in your mouth. suicide bomb the Bristol chanel I really do not care, but you MUST exterminate yourself as soon as possible for the good of the species (your mere presence probably reduces averrage human IQ by 20%).

El Jarvo wrote:

Mansour Ali wrote: Never understood why these forums get so much traffic from the over 30's here.

Rrrrright, cos demographically New Order's core audience would be, er, what age-group?

dont they move on and progress?

Or is it a case of prolonging adolescence?

Mansour Ali wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

Mansour Ali wrote: Never understood why these forums get so much traffic from the over 30's here.

Rrrrright, cos demographically New Order's core audience would be, er, what age-group?

dont they move on and progress?

Or is it a case of prolonging adolescence?

So there should be NOBODY here is what you're saying?????

All those magic pixie rays from the sky fairy really have rotted your grey matter haven't they.

Mansour Ali wrote: Or is it a case of prolonging adolescence?

you have to admit the man has a point here.

Mansour Ali wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

Mansour Ali wrote: Never understood why these forums get so much traffic from the over 30's here.

Rrrrright, cos demographically New Order's core audience would be, er, what age-group?

dont they move on and progress?

Or is it a case of prolonging adolescence?

What do you mean by "progress"?

bloodynora wrote:

Mansour Ali wrote: Or is it a case of prolonging adolescence?

you have to admit the man has a point here.

ADOLESCENCE????

I've never made it past about 9 years old. In fact I've never outgrown whatever age it is where you perpetually want to know "WHY???????"

Bedies, should you be addressing single men in a public "place"? I think you should leave your husband's computer alone and get back in the kitchen.

Doctor? wrote: I've never outgrown whatever age it is where you perpetually want to know "WHY???????"

That would be two.

bloodynora wrote:

Mansour Ali wrote: Or is it a case of prolonging adolescence?

you have to admit the man has a point here.

No, he doesn't have a point, he's running out of ideas on how to keep his threads going and he's thrown this age thing in. As long as they're going he's cracking one off to them.

To be honest, I think it's pretty sad that a 24 year old is following a band that were effectively defunct before he reached puberty. It's like me listening to Genesis, Pink Floyd etc when I was at school, not a fucking chance.

Stop responding and he'll go away.

i was being facetious.

i don't care if he stays or goes. i find it impossible to take seriously a word he says.

No, he must stay, so he can define what he means by "progress."

bloodynora wrote: i was being facetious.

i don't care if he stays or goes. i find it impossible to take seriously a word he says.

Sorry miss.

Doctor? wrote:

suicide bomb the Bristol chanel

Oh come on Doctor? some of the lasses love those handbags and perfumes, advise Bristol Pork Sword to take out a branch of Ikea instead or maybe anywhere that calls a big cup a fuckin grandee

El Jarvo wrote:

Mansour Ali wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

Mansour Ali wrote: Never understood why these forums get so much traffic from the over 30's here.

Rrrrright, cos demographically New Order's core audience would be, er, what age-group?

dont they move on and progress?

Or is it a case of prolonging adolescence?

They had New Order forums when I was an adolescent?

Why wasn't I told?!

Didn't you have Prestel Al?

I'm still waiting on a bad, ceefax-only-worse page to load from 1986.

GaryMac wrote:

Doctor? wrote:

suicide bomb the Bristol chanel

Oh come on Doctor? some of the lasses love those handbags and perfumes, advise Bristol Pork Sword to take out a branch of Ikea instead or maybe anywhere that calls a big cup a fuckin grandee

Every typo a winner eh?

Doctor? wrote:

GaryMac wrote:

Doctor? wrote:

suicide bomb the Bristol chanel

Oh come on Doctor? some of the lasses love those handbags and perfumes, advise Bristol Pork Sword to take out a branch of Ikea instead or maybe anywhere that calls a big cup a fuckin grandee

Every typo a winner eh?

well how often statisticaly will I get to have a go at Bristol Pork Sword, Ikea and coffee chains and their grandee schemes? Typos, love em. someone should do a top ten or something :D

Doctor? wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

Mansour Ali wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

Mansour Ali wrote: Never understood why these forums get so much traffic from the over 30's here.

Rrrrright, cos demographically New Order's core audience would be, er, what age-group?

dont they move on and progress?

Or is it a case of prolonging adolescence?

They had New Order forums when I was an adolescent?

Why wasn't I told?!

Didn't you have Prestel Al?

I'm still waiting on a bad, ceefax-only-worse page to load from 1986.

I reviewed "Technique" on C4 teletext in 1989. And I went to mosque this morning.

DO I WIN 40 STONES THROWN HARD AT MY BONCE AND AN INTERNET-STREAMED BEHEADING??

PETER COATES'S BELATED REDEMPTION wrote:

I reviewed "Technique" on C4 teletext in 1989. And I went to mosque this morning.

DO I WIN 40 STONES THROWN HARD AT MY BONCE AND AN INTERNET-STREAMED BEHEADING??

That is the first time Fradley has made me laugh.