SHUGZV i know you are a busy man at the moment but when you have a sec jot down the BEST of those LIVE tapes.I may end up recording them ALL and then edit down but GOD FORBID if i get a job then time WILL not be on my side!Your top 20 in any particular ORDER,i have done ONLY three due to recording other stuff for some NOOL's.:D
OLD ORDER...my name for a while.
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GIVE US A CLUE -Live Tapes
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The best live tapes would be
Eindhoven 80 Athens & Milan 82 Cardiff & Hacienda 83 Womad & Sydney 85 Dublin 86 Finsbury / Sheffield / Glastonbury / Wembley 87 G Mex 88 NEC & Reading 89 Manchester & London 98 Liverpool & Cologne 2001
They are the ones I play(ed) most of the time, some cracking gigs and some cracking moments on some of em, I always say if there was one gig I coulda gone to, it woulda been Reading 89 - fucking fantastic set - and the audio copy is pretty good an all mate
Originally posted by ShugZV The best live tapes would beEindhoven 80Athens & Milan 82Cardiff & Hacienda 83Womad & Sydney 85Dublin 86Finsbury / Sheffield / Glastonbury / Wembley 87G Mex 88NEC & Reading 89Manchester & London 98Liverpool & Cologne 2001They are the ones I play(ed) most of the time, some cracking gigs and some cracking moments on some of em, I always say if there was one gig I coulda gone to, it woulda been Reading 89 - fucking fantastic set - and the audio copy is pretty good an all mate
but you went to the nec in 89? what stopped you? as well as the order had the sugarcubes, that petrol emotion, the house of love, the swans etc all on the same day. (wasn't it?)
Originally posted by ShugZV Finsbury / Sheffield / Glastonbury / Wembley 87
Think every gig from that tour in mid 87 is worth a listen.
Most of mine were 'Lazlo Productions' - said 'Lazlo' was at the Parisian gigs last Autumn. Well, I guess he's been at most gigs - I just never knew who he was till Paris.
Reading Uni's a goodie, as is the Barrowlands, and the Hac gig is a cracker just to hear Barney completely ruin Temptation with the most disinterested performance he's probably ever given.
Used to love that period - remember just sending off for, like, 10 bootlegs from the Far East tour, and nabbing another 10 off the US tour with the Bunnymen, then playing tapes through not knowing what tracks were gonna come next.
Bit pointless collecting Order bootlegs these days. Read somewhere that this is why bands play identical sets - to combat the bootleggers. Bad show if it is. I'd just prefer to believe that the Order are lazy, although Barney has spoken out against bootleggers in the past.
Cheers i will have a DELVE.Just bought another BATCH of CDs and MINIDISCs.Tell BARNEY that i have kept him in SHADES for 3 years the amount i spent of the ORDER. :D
i,m a big fan of bootlegs.. but they have gotta be good quality or i just aint interested.. its always nice if you were there ( so to speak)
Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by ShugZV Finsbury / Sheffield / Glastonbury / Wembley 87
Think every gig from that tour in mid 87 is worth a listen.
Most of mine were 'Lazlo Productions' - said 'Lazlo' was at the Parisian gigs last Autumn. Well, I guess he's been at most gigs - I just never knew who he was till Paris.
Reading Uni's a goodie, as is the Barrowlands, and the Hac gig is a cracker just to hear Barney completely ruin Temptation with the most disinterested performance he's probably ever given.
Used to love that period - remember just sending off for, like, 10 bootlegs from the Far East tour, and nabbing another 10 off the US tour with the Bunnymen, then playing tapes through not knowing what tracks were gonna come next.
Bit pointless collecting Order bootlegs these days. Read somewhere that this is why bands play identical sets - to combat the bootleggers. Bad show if it is. I'd just prefer to believe that the Order are lazy, although Barney has spoken out against bootleggers in the past.
My sentiments entirely. Best shows that I have copies of, in roughly chronological order, are
81 Paris, Bradford 82 Derby, Athens, Wellington 83 Cardiff, Liverpool 1st night, Ayr, Atlanta, Fullerton Fantasy, Detroit, Washington, Brixton 84 Bradford, Amsterdam, Festival Hall, Birmingham, Leicester, Nottingham, Sunderland, Hull, Gloucester, St.Austell, Portsmouth, Margate (superb sound but only 40 min set) 85 Leeds, Sobell Sports Centre, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Lancaster, Birmingham, Doncaster, Macclesfield, Sydney, Brisbane, Hacienda, New York, Boston, Austin, New Orleans, Irvine Meadows, Preston, Hemel Hempstead, Hammersmith, CLP, Slough (encore worth hearing), Paris, Orleans (JD/old songs), Rennes, Rouen, Leuven, Rotterdam 86 Belfast, 2x Dublin, Wolverhampton, Poole, Oxford, Bradford, Warrington (amazing Shellshock/Sunrise), G-Mex, San Giovanni Valdarno, Birmingham, Malvern, T&C, Albert Hall, most of US tour 87 all of Japan/Australia tour are brilliant, different sets, banter, just the best time
I could go on for hours, and will have to listen to most of these again for great nostalgia value !! :)
Thanks for your suggestions and help.Having never been to keen on DODGY tapes unless i had BEEN to GIG then it is useful to sort the good from the bad and the ugly.
Personal fave is Barrowlands '86: if there was one gig I could go back in time to.......Also have a killer mixing dek tape from chicago in (i think) 1985 - great stuff.....
And on a similar topic, are there decent recordings of Finsbury and Old Trafford doing the rounds yet?? And , if so, can anyone "sort me out", so to speak???
Originally posted by martin fradley Personal fave is Barrowlands '86: if there was one gig I could go back in time to.......
Colin Kerr from Ceremony wrote a brilliant review of this gig on said list, or maybe at alt.music.new-order, not sure which, a fair few years back.
Can't remember exact details but think he got dumped by his fiancee, on his birthday, at the Edinbro' gig the night before, then went to Glasgee on his own, now minus his fiancee, to indulge in a rather large night out, and it was simply the best gig he'd ever seen. Something along those lines anyways. Nice when people put personal touches to gigs..
Originally posted by martin fradley Personal fave is Barrowlands '86: if there was one gig I could go back in time to.......Also have a killer mixing dek tape from chicago in (i think) 1985 - great stuff.....
Chicago 85 mixer ? I've got an excellent audience tape of this, but have never seen a mixer.
I am going to have to buy an awful lot of MINIDISCs i should coco! Hell i thought two or thre and be done!Well i will be stuck in PLANET ROCKET a bit longer thus stopping me from getting a job. Shame of the NATION! :D
And before you start i have paid more into this nations coffers than i will be allowed to take out.At one stage and i kid you not,the DHSS/BENEFITS OFFICE paid me 10p a week or 20p a fortnight paid into my account.I wrote a letter of complaint and was 7p out of pocket for 2 weeks.Ain't LIFE a giggle.
LAUGH I NEARLY JOINED THE ARMY...then somebody said i was 20 years to OLD! :D
ROCKET MICK
IT WAS GREAT GOIN OUT ON 20p THOUGH! 
not a great hoarder of tapes...i lose them all the time....had lots of live tapes in the past...one that stands out is a mixing desk recording of a gig in new zealand...they play an 18 min version of 586...(get yer survival kit out)..
821208 Hillsborough Hotel 71 min sb B Features an Early Blue Monday - live for the first time and a 16 min version of 586
is this the gig you're refering to?
Agree with both Jarvo and the Easy rider
The 87 gigs were indeed classics!
Also Jarvo's post reminded me of Glasgow Barrowlands 85 - that was a fuckin superb concert - great crowd participation - and Barney's untimely gag about the Ethiopian prostitute!
I strongly recomend that one Mick - good sound quality, I think it was February 85 - check the tapes matey;)
Hibster, I was only a wean of 14 - no money to go to Reading and John was skint an all, he only had enough fer himself and Lorraine to go! cest la vie me ole mooker!
Originally posted by ShugZV Agree with both Jarvo and the Easy rider
"Have you heard the one about the Ethiopian prostitute ? She's had more men than hot dinners".......BOOM BOOM :D
Originally posted by ShugZV The best live tapes would beEindhoven 80Athens & Milan 82Cardiff & Hacienda 83Womad & Sydney 85Dublin 86Finsbury / Sheffield / Glastonbury / Wembley 87G Mex 88NEC & Reading 89Manchester & London 98Liverpool & Cologne 2001They are the ones I play(ed) most of the time, some cracking gigs and some cracking moments on some of em, I always say if there was one gig I coulda gone to, it woulda been Reading 89 - fucking fantastic set - and the audio copy is pretty good an all mate
Originally posted by Dufford Charleywood > Originally posted by ShugZV The best live tapes would beEindhoven 80Athens & Milan 82Cardiff & Hacienda 83Womad & Sydney 85Dublin 86Finsbury / Sheffield / Glastonbury / Wembley 87G Mex 88NEC & Reading 89Manchester & London 98Liverpool & Cologne 2001They are the ones I play(ed) most of the time, some cracking gigs and some cracking moments on some of em, I always say if there was one gig I coulda gone to, it woulda been Reading 89 - fucking fantastic set - and the audio copy is pretty good an all mate
Fucked this one up i think....lol...lol...lol have to agree pretty much with the above....great minds think sometimes...
Originally posted by ShugZV Agree with both Jarvo and the Easy rider
One I wish I had a quality version of is Berkley 87 with Anarchy in the UK - Ive only got a poor quality copy but it was a great set.
Kevin (currently waiting for his copy of Old Trafford)
Originally posted by Kevin Lingley > Originally posted by ShugZV Agree with both Jarvo and the Easy rider
One I wish I had a quality version of is Berkley 87 with Anarchy in the UK - Ive only got a poor quality copy but it was a great set.
Kevin (currently waiting for his copy of Old Trafford)
E-mail me Kevin - I have a top copy of it, a bit loud in places but very listenable. Pity it was an average gig befoe the encore though ! Also have the Anarchy snippet Hooky added into Sister Ray at Denver when the equipment blew up (Preston for the 87 generation)
Originally posted by Easy E > Originally posted by Kevin Lingley> > > > Originally posted by ShugZV> Agree with both Jarvo and the Easy rider
One I wish I had a quality version of is Berkley 87 with Anarchy in the UK - Ive only got a poor quality copy but it was a great set.
Kevin (currently waiting for his copy of Old Trafford)
E-mail me Kevin - I have a top copy of it, a bit loud in places but very listenable. Pity it was an average gig befoe the encore though ! Also have the Anarchy snippet Hooky added into Sister Ray at Denver when the equipment blew up (Preston for the 87 generation)
Thanks, will do! One other recording of note I have is the Hollywood Palace 86 which is great quality!
Has anyone ever heard, I think its called 'Pier 84' New York from around 1986? ... I picked it up in America. Has lots of Brotherhood material on it, pretty good sound quality (it's a vinyl) - its almost like a Brotherhood gig. I guess they were trying out the songs. Sequencers are excellent.
Originally posted by Huntsman Has anyone ever heard, I think its called 'Pier 84' New York from around 1986? ... I picked it up in America. Has lots of Brotherhood material on it, pretty good sound quality (it's a vinyl) - its almost like a Brotherhood gig. I guess they were trying out the songs. Sequencers are excellent.
My copy of that is called "Chapter III" (these things often masquerade under different names, don't they?). Nice recording, and also features the notorious Barney-ism along the lines (pun intended) of "I know everyone says this, but we really DO love New York [cheers] ... the drugs are so cheap here ... and plentiful". Cheeky get was probably wearing his "Just Say No...." t-shirt......
Yes, I think that is the one. I remember that line also. I think my blue cover which has all four members in squares on the front (looks like it could have even been shot around the pier) had some reference to Chapters, actually on the reverse side.
It is tricky tracking down bootlegs that you haven't already got isn't it. Can't the robbers stick to one name?
Hacienda '84 in your collection Martin? ... a good gig also.
Originally posted by Huntsman Yes, I think that is the one. I remember that line also. I think my blue cover which has all four members in squares on the front (looks like it could have even been shot around the pier) had some reference to Chapters, actually on the reverse side.It is tricky tracking down bootlegs that you haven't already got isn't it. Can't the robbers stick to one name?Hacienda '84 in your collection Martin? ... a good gig also.
Think I may have that on a battered old C90 somewhere: was it originally available on vinyl, Hunsty???? And, if so, under what "enigmatic" title did it emerge???
Originally posted by Huntsman Yes, I think that is the one. I remember that line also. I think my blue cover which has all four members in squares on the front (looks like it could have even been shot around the pier) had some reference to Chapters, actually on the reverse side.It is tricky tracking down bootlegs that you haven't already got isn't it. Can't the robbers stick to one name?Hacienda '84 in your collection Martin? ... a good gig also.
Hacienda 84 ????????? 82 x 2, 83 x 2, 85 x 3, 86 and 87, but no 84 gigs !!
Well, my version too is on cassette. It has a green cover with a b lack and white shot of all four members on the front (very ropey quality) - a picture I've not come across since. I can't remember the track listing but it has things like 'Sooner', 'Temptation' (a good version) and bits and pieces on it. A complete gig.
It was one of the first gigs I picked up in bootleg world so I'm talking possibly 1985 I got this! (a year after the gig). Is it me or do live gigs appear about 6 months after the gig then go out of circulation? ... anyway I think for definite it is 1984. I am in my loft tonight where all of my material is stored (I'm trying to locate an item for Rocket Mick) if anyone has anything they have been after for a while let me know ... I might have it.
Leed's Tiffany's 1985? - one of the best live tapes I've got. Also, a 3 hour VHS with almost 'all' tv appearances from about 1982 onwards.
Originally posted by Huntsman Well, my version too is on cassette. It has a green cover with a b lack and white shot of all four members on the front (very ropey quality) - a picture I've not come across since. I can't remember the track listing but it has things like 'Sooner', 'Temptation' (a good version) and bits and pieces on it. A complete gig.It was one of the first gigs I picked up in bootleg world so I'm talking possibly 1985 I got this! (a year after the gig). Is it me or do live gigs appear about 6 months after the gig then go out of circulation? ... anyway I think for definite it is 1984. I am in my loft tonight where all of my material is stored (I'm trying to locate an item for Rocket Mick) if anyone has anything they have been after for a while let me know ... I might have it.
13/10/86
1 Sooner Than You Think
2 Bizarre Love Triangle
3 Subculture
4 All Day Long
5 Every Little Counts
6 Paradise
7 State of the Nation
8 Everything's Gone Green
9 Weirdo
10 Sunrise
11 Temptation
12 Love Will Tear Us Apart
16/7/85
1 State of the Nation
2 Dreams Never End
3 Subculture
4 This Time of Night
5 Your Silent Face
6 Love Vigilantes
7 Weirdo
8 The Perfect Kiss
9 Face Up
10 Sunrise
11 Ceremony
12 Confusion
13 Temptation
3/12/85 set 1
1 As It Is When It Was
2 Sunrise
3 Face Up
4 The Perfect Kiss
5 Your Silent Face
6 Sooner Than You Think
7 This Time of Night
8 Confusion
9 Temptation
10 Age of Consent
3/12/85 set 2
1 As It Is When It Was
2 Everything's Gone Green
3 Subculture
4 Blue Monday
5 Lonesome Tonight
6 Love Vigilantes
7 586
8 Face Up
9 Ceremony
10 State of the Nation
Hacienda gigs 85 and 86. They didn't play there in 84 - they did in January and July 83, and twice on the same night in June 82.
Well my cassette could have been listed wrong, or I could have mixed up the years. I'm pretty certain it was '84 - I'm probably wrong. I'll dig the cassette out, I'd be interested to know which gig it actually was ... if it wasn't as stated on the cover.
Originally posted by Huntsman Well my cassette could have been listed wrong, or I could have mixed up the years. I'm pretty certain it was '84 - I'm probably wrong. I'll dig the cassette out, I'd be interested to know which gig it actually was ... if it wasn't as stated on the cover.
Quick & Easy gig list (with tracks) can be found here >> Water Rat's site
Originally posted by Easy E Trust me, I know where and when they played.....
I don't trust anything I can't eat. I clicked on big Al's rat centre but it took a while to load. By the sounds of things I'm wrong, I'll have a look at what gig I've actually got.
That Water Rat place is excellent, cheers Al.
Be warned though, the Rat domain does contain occasional errors amidst what is a magnificent record of years of crap gigs and muddy sound.......
Originally posted by Easy E Be warned though, the Rat domain does contain occasional errors amidst what is a magnificent record of years of crap gigs and muddy sound.......
If you spot anything wrong, Easy, just mail him. He's a fairly amiable chap.
Huntsy, tis indeed a wopper of a file, but it does make searches and stuff fairly easy. Wouldn't touch it from home as a rule, but we download at, like, a 1Gb/sec in the office, so I'm laughing here!
Mmmmmm, just checked the Water Rat site for the first time - excellent stuff!!! Pity there aren't more fan entries/memories (when I get round to writing THE New Order book this will be rectified, let me assure you), and the 2002 gigs need adding, but a wonderful resource nevertheless.
Wish the band still necked Pernod like there was no tomorrow, though - I'd forgotten just how funny/crass they could be.....!!!!!
Al it went directly into my all time favourites folder without passing go or being sent down for any length of time. Just when you think you've got a handle on mostly all NO resource another rat leaks out of the wood worm. Top stuff! ... I will seek out the gigs I've been to and see if I can see any old names (Dick Turpin, Henry V etc.)
This site could become as extensive as RatWorld given some effort by us all.
512k a sec. is our ration at work ... I had about 5 programs up when I first went to the centre, I'll give it another whirl. Either way 1Gig at any second sounds like paradise (the remix preferably on this occasion).
Water Rat's site did boast a newspage up until last year, I think it was, but he took this down as he said he had little time on his hands.
But he still maintains the New Order gigography and, of course, there's also a JD gigography here >> JD at Water Rat << but, be warned, they don't seem to gig too often these days, so that never gets added to. Strange that, I've heard they're quite popular.
Anyone ever sequentially read through all the comments pages ? Some wonderful snippets here ! It's quite funny listening to the tapes, and then reading the various interpretations of what was said. I see Mr Jarvis has made a sizeable contribution to this site - I'll have to do likewise I think.
Originally posted by Easy E Anyone ever sequentially read through all the comments pages ? Some wonderful snippets here ! It's quite funny listening to the tapes, and then reading the various interpretations of what was said. I see Mr Jarvis has made a sizeable contribution to this site - I'll have to do likewise I think.
Looks like someone misheard the Ethiopian prostitute gag entirely?
More men than our Guinness? Boom, er, boom? 
Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by Easy E> Anyone ever sequentially read through all the comments pages ? Some wonderful snippets here ! It's quite funny listening to the tapes, and then reading the various interpretations of what was said. I see Mr Jarvis has made a sizeable contribution to this site - I'll have to do likewise I think.
Looks like someone misheard the Ethiopian prostitute gag entirely?
More men than our Guinness? Boom, er, boom?
There's some absolute classics of misinterpretation on there - I downloaded the whole page for perusal while accompanied by tape. Classics :)
Originally posted by Kevin Lingley Easy E, did you get my email? CheersKevin
Yes, quite impressed with some of your stuff as well. I'll e-mail you this evening. Do you want Berkeley on CD or tape ? It's currently on tape, so I'll have to find a way to get it converted. Ideas anyone ?
Originally posted by Dufford Charleywood > Originally posted by Dufford Charleywood> > > > Originally posted by ShugZV> The best live tapes would beEindhoven 80Athens & Milan 82Cardiff & Hacienda 83Womad & Sydney 85Dublin 86Finsbury / Sheffield / Glastonbury / Wembley 87G Mex 88NEC & Reading 89Manchester & London 98Liverpool & Cologne 2001They are the ones I play(ed) most of the time, some cracking gigs and some cracking moments on some of em, I always say if there was one gig I coulda gone to, it woulda been Reading 89 - fucking fantastic set - and the audio copy is pretty good an all mate
Fucked this one up i think....lol...lol...lol have to agree pretty much with the above....great minds think sometimes...
Great minds indeedy me ole mucker:D
Favour time peeps
Is there anyone who can put Sheffield 1987.06.09 onto Cd pour moi ????? first ever NO gig i attended and would love to relive again (i'll even pay hard cash)
Originally posted by The Hacienda must be (re)Built Favour time peeps Is there anyone who can put Sheffield 1987.06.09 onto Cd pour moi ????? first ever NO gig i attended and would love to relive again (i'll even pay hard cash)
Mick has all my tapes...I'm sure he'll be able to sort you out Hacsy baby;) Not sure of the sound quality on that one though!
Originally posted by The Hacienda must be (re)Built Favour time peeps Is there anyone who can put Sheffield 1987.06.09 onto Cd pour moi ????? first ever NO gig i attended and would love to relive again (i'll even pay hard cash)
OK Niel, I'll stick it on CD this weekend if I can get a tape/CD link sorted out.
Originally posted by The Hacienda must be (re)Built Favour time peeps Is there anyone who can put Sheffield 1987.06.09 onto Cd pour moi ????? first ever NO gig i attended and would love to relive again (i'll even pay hard cash)
FOOK OFF! :D
Originally posted by ROCKET MICK > Originally posted by The Hacienda must be (re)Built Favour time peeps Is there anyone who can put Sheffield 1987.06.09 onto Cd pour moi ????? first ever NO gig i attended and would love to relive again (i'll even pay hard cash)
FOOK OFF! :D
I'll just have to wait for a little GEM from yourself then Rocket :D
Originally posted by The Hacienda must be (re)Built > Originally posted by ROCKET MICK> > > > Originally posted by The Hacienda must be (re)Built> Favour time peeps Is there anyone who can put Sheffield 1987.06.09 onto Cd pour moi ????? first ever NO gig i attended and would love to relive again (i'll even pay hard cash)
FOOK OFF! :D
I'll just have to wait for a little GEM from yourself then Rocket :D
I am in the studio again this weekend and i'll have a look out for this HAC! 
