PARKY RAPES STILL-LUKEWARM CORPSE OF JADE GOODY....

....in bid for relevance, presumably:

COME RIDE THE CANCEROUS BANDWAGON OF CELEBRITY DEATH!!!!

Succinct and absolutely to the point, long overdue. Would love to see him debate this with Clifford.

i'm with parky on this, 100%

no-nonsense Yorkshireman says what we're all thinking. nowt new there then lad. did you see the pantomime of her funeral live on sky news on saturday?

Parky is spot on except for one thing. Goody made use of the media in her final days to benefit her sons. Good on her for that. Otherwise I'll always see her as a thick useless chav (well aren't they all?) who was in the right place at the right time to be used by the media.

Andy Harris wrote: Parky is spot on except for one thing. Goody made use of the media in her final days to benefit her sons. Good on her for that. Otherwise I'll always see her as a thick useless chav (well aren't they all?) who was in the right place at the right time to be used by the media.

I understand your point but I object to Cliffords eulogy where he stated that she was doing it so her sons would have a better education than she did. Jade Goody probably had a good education but would not take advantage of it, she probably affected the learning of the other pupils in her class who did want to learn but couldn't. Just another bloody parasite.

Parky is a sycophantic prick of an interviewer who is, and always has been, full of his own self-importance. It's a sad day when he's held up as the voice of common sense.

James Thomas wrote:

Andy Harris wrote: Parky is spot on except for one thing. Goody made use of the media in her final days to benefit her sons. Good on her for that. Otherwise I'll always see her as a thick useless chav (well aren't they all?) who was in the right place at the right time to be used by the media.

I understand your point but I object to Cliffords eulogy where he stated that she was doing it so her sons would have a better education than she did. Jade Goody probably had a good education but would not take advantage of it, she probably affected the learning of the other pupils in her class who did want to learn but couldn't. Just another bloody parasite .

And this week's award for the use of baseless presumptions goes to...the poster above!

GlasVegas wrote:

James Thomas wrote:

Andy Harris wrote: Parky is spot on except for one thing. Goody made use of the media in her final days to benefit her sons. Good on her for that. Otherwise I'll always see her as a thick useless chav (well aren't they all?) who was in the right place at the right time to be used by the media.

I understand your point but I object to Cliffords eulogy where he stated that she was doing it so her sons would have a better education than she did. Jade Goody probably had a good education but would not take advantage of it, she probably affected the learning of the other pupils in her class who did want to learn but couldn't. Just another bloody parasite .

And this week's award for the use of baseless presumptions goes to...the poster above!

Indeed. That's quite a chip you have there on your shoulder, sir.

Coatsey says: James is a nice boy, but often fails to live up to his potential. If he spent more time on his professional duties and refrained from daydreaming about taking over Parky's role as Prince Regent of Grumpy neo-Misogynist Professional Northerners (Yorkshire branch, natch) we might see the best of him. Overall: could do better.

:p

So bullying other pupils and getting expelled is making the most of your opportunities?

James Thomas wrote: So bullying other pupils and getting expelled is making the most of your opportunities?

I think expecting kids in their early teens to "make the most of their opportunities" and have the day-to-day demeanour of proto-30-something middle-class folk is a joke. Especially when said kids are from socially deprived backgrounds.

I seem to remember you telling me that you got a 2:2 at University, Jimbo, and had absolutely no regrets about this 'cos you had a lot of fun. Are you telling me that during this period of your life - as an adult, lest we forget - you made "the most of your opportunities" in your time in Higher Education??!

Hey, teacher: leave them kids alone.

Agreed and I've no problem with her not taking advantage of her education but I think it wrong to state she had a poor education.

Oh and if you are so keen on helping the deprived why didn't you get a career helping them rather than teaching the middle classes how to watch telly? Social deprivation shouldn't be used as an excuse for bad behaviour, except in Guardian world.

James Thomas wrote: Oh and if you are so keen on helping the deprived why didn't you get a career helping them rather than teaching the middle classes how to watch telly? Social deprivation shouldn't be used as an excuse for bad behaviour, except in Guardian world.

Social depravation doesn't excuse anything but it may explain. Unless you think that being brought up by a lone, crack-addicted parent in a run-down tower block has no real effect on how a kid turns out?

Agreed, where did I state otherwise?

I maintain my original points though which are;

1. Pupils that behave like arseholes disadvantage others in the classroom.
2. If you behave like an arsehole through your school years(for whatever reason) and remain uneducated, you are not in a position to claim a poor education, you simply didn't take advantage to what was on offer and therefore are in no position to complain.

James Thomas wrote: Agreed, where did I state otherwise?

I maintain my original points though which are;

1. Pupils that behave like arseholes disadvantage others in the classroom.
2. If you behave like an arsehole through your school years(for whatever reason) and remain uneducated, you are not in a position to claim a poor education, you simply didn't take advantage to what was on offer and therefore are in no position to complain.

Yes, but that's still a 'baseless assumption' regarding Jade Goody, Jimbo. (Unless, of course, I've missed something whilst reading 'The Guardian' and fannying about like a liberal fop watching telly and you have actually taught said "bloody parasite"?)

I'm all for defending your chosen profession from its many detractors, James, but I can assure you that 90% of my teachers at school were both wildly judgmental and hopelessly inept cunts to boot. This is another baseless assumption, but my guess would be that Ms Goody's probably were as well.

Did she get expelled from school for biting someones ear off ("it was only a little bit")?

Hardly the teachers fault is it? Not allowed to DO anything to a pupil who's destroying everyone else's chances.

Everyonr gets the same chance of education in the UK, and since APPARENTLY stupidity is NOT genetic, stupid people WANT to be that way. Some of them are even proud of it.

Nobody in this country can say "I want my kids to get the education I didn't" unless they are 112 and used to work in a mill when they were 7.

Jesus fucking Christ. Anyone who thinks "being stupid" and "having an education" are in any way whatsoever dichotomous terms needs lining up and fucking shooting.

Here's a brief, banal and probably aimless anecdote from my own brief, banal aimless yoof: we are in what was the olden days third year at secondary school. Two lads in my year get caught one lunchtime engaging in non-consensual sexual activity with a girl from the year below. Said lads get dragged into the Deputy head's office and told that there will be police involvement and almost certain expulsion. One lad goes missing for three days. They find him in some woods just outside town hanging from a tree. Turns out he killed himself not because of the shame, or a sense of guilt over what he and friend had 'tried' to do to the girl, but because he was scared of what his dad was going to do to him when he got home. Suicide was preferable, apparently. Said Deputy head was from thereon in a visibly broken man and took early retirement later that academic year. (A few years later the younger brother of the guy who killed himself also killed himself just before he sat his GCSEs. Too much pressure, apparently. And an interesting role model in his elder sibling, obviously.)

No offers of voluntary counselling in 1987, natch. We had a stilted morning assembly the following week, and we all gawped while said Deputy Head cried throughout. Later that same day, lessons were cancelled. Instead, we were provided with some social education sessions, which involved nothing more than a screening of "The Breakfast Club" so that we would know that the staff understood our 'pain'. We were all 13/14.

I was a disruptive little cunt, especially between the ages of 13-15. When they finally got round to expelling me, I was kept in a room under constant supervision lest history repeat itself and I string myself up. I'm sure that it was only the thought of the agonies of the boys and girls on detention in "The Breakfast Club" that prevented me from taking my own sweet, young life. Thank you Judd, Ally, Emilio etc. There but for the grace of God.

I went to a dull, ordinary secondary school in a very dull market town in North Shropshire. Jade Goody bit someone's ear. People's lives are not ruined because some pupils aren't very interested in Tudor History when they're 12.

Blah blah blah.

Doctor? wrote:

Everyone gets the same chance of education in the UK. .

Are you having a laugh?

Honestly, you come away with some belters on these forums but that statement really takes the biscuit.

I can't believe for one second that anyone believes that every young child has equal access to education across the board. What a load of shit. I know this because I dedicated 10 years of my life, through choice, to work specifically with kids and youth who were struggling in school with behavior, learning, home life, prison and gangs, and help them get on the right track in terms of their education, learning and future.

Believe me, I've worked within schools that are in some of the most deprived areas of the UK, where a lot of these schools are in 'special measures' or 'perform badly' and i've worked in some of the top performing schools who have failed with a lot of these youngsters because the school does not want to deal with them. You can't blame this on the kids that go there. Kids have the right to expect the very best education regardless of what school, area or background they come from - but the truth is this simply does not happen within many education establishments.

A child's home life is always going to be a significant factor, the majority of the time, as to how well they will achieve and often shape their behavior - much of which is well beyond their control and regardless of your views and opinions on kids who are challenging every single one of them deserves the understanding and support of the education system. That doesn't mean accepting a child's bad behavior simply on the basis of their background, but it means you have somewhere to start building some bridges and try and make a difference. That is what being a teacher is about.

The truth is for every good teacher and school there are also lot of bad teachers and schools out there and ones who are not interested in working with those children that are more challenging. As in this thread, troubled kids are 'labeled' and blamed but I can assure you that it is never that clear cut, many are let down by our education system and as a result of their personal situations.

If I had the same attitude as some of the things written here, there would be a whole load of kids out there dead, in prison, on heroin, on the streets - not in education, in jobs, or have a future ahead of them. Granted, there are some people you will never be able to reach regardless of what help and education you may offer them, but I am living proof that the majority, given the right education, understanding and support, without being labeled and cast aside, can and will turn their lives around. And i've worked with some of the most challenging.

Any school, and those that work within in it, worth their weight in gold will recognise that there are barriers to learning for many young people, and do their best to remove them, not build them.

Oh, and for the record, i'm dead chuffed my son is getting the school education I could only have dreamed of having - and the last time I looked, I was pushing 32 years old.

GlasVegas wrote:

Doctor? wrote:

Everyone gets the same chance of education in the UK. .

Are you having a laugh?

Honestly, you come away with some belters on these forums but that statement really takes the biscuit.

My apologies, I assumed the mainland was simillar to NI. Here, everyone (not unfortunate enough to get stuck at a church school (oxymoron or what)) goes to the same primary schools. At 11, we sit an exam called the 11+ which helps decide who gets grammar school places (it's more like a lowbrow IQ test than an exam based on knowledge), and who ends up in a high school. Once in highschool, everyone goes to the same classes until 3rd form, when streaming based on exam results is performed.....to determine which GCSE classes they go into. So, here, we all get to listen to the same lessons from the same teachers no matter your background.....for example, in my 1st year class, there were three now-convicted terrorists, and a guy who raped and killed a 75 year old woman. So...same opportunities for all. I just thought it worked that way in the whole country.

As for Frads....well I certainly know that intelligence and education are not interchangable terms, I speak with Doctors all the time who cannot comprehend things that are obvious to hairdressers, I also know numerous very intelligent folks who missed a lot of school due mainly to bullying, and therefor are short of knowledge. This is because, as mentioned above, all the thugs in training go to the same schools as the kids who want to learn in NI,unlike the mainland, where apparently some kids get sent to non-teaching schools or something (I'm still unclear as to exactly why some get taught and some don't).

And I'm with Parky.....anyone who thinks otherwise should ask themselve this question....how would you feel if your baby daughter looked into your eyes and said "I want to be just like Jade!" and proceeded to follow through on her wish. (please note: people like Jade are numerous, those who make a wealth generating career from it are not, so the answer "if she was as rich....blah blah blah" is unacceptable.

Bonzette wrote: I can't believe for one second that anyone believes that every young child has equal access to education across the board. What a load of shit. I know this because I dedicated 10 years of my life, through choice, to work specifically with kids and youth who were struggling in school with behavior, learning, home life, prison and gangs, and help them get on the right track in terms of their education, learning and future.

Believe me, I've worked within schools that are in some of the most deprived areas of the UK, where a lot of these schools are in 'special measures' or 'perform badly' and i've worked in some of the top performing schools who have failed with a lot of these youngsters because the school does not want to deal with them. You can't blame this on the kids that go there. Kids have the right to expect the very best education regardless of what school, area or background they come from - but the truth is this simply does not happen within many education establishments.

A child's home life is always going to be a significant factor, the majority of the time, as to how well they will achieve and often shape their behavior - much of which is well beyond their control and regardless of your views and opinions on kids who are challenging every single one of them deserves the understanding and support of the education system. That doesn't mean accepting a child's bad behavior simply on the basis of their background, but it means you have somewhere to start building some bridges and try and make a difference. That is what being a teacher is about.

The truth is for every good teacher and school there are also lot of bad teachers and schools out there and ones who are not interested in working with those children that are more challenging. As in this thread, troubled kids are 'labeled' and blamed but I can assure you that it is never that clear cut, many are let down by our education system and as a result of their personal situations.

If I had the same attitude as some of the things written here, there would be a whole load of kids out there dead, in prison, on heroin, on the streets - not in education, in jobs, or have a future ahead of them. Granted, there are some people you will never be able to reach regardless of what help and education you may offer them, but I am living proof that the majority, given the right education, understanding and support, without being labeled and cast aside, can and will turn their lives around. And i've worked with some of the most challenging.

Any school, and those that work within in it, worth their weight in gold will recognise that there are barriers to learning for many young people, and do their best to remove them, not build them.

Oh, and for the record, i'm dead chuffed my son is getting the school education I could only have dreamed of having - and the last time I looked, I was pushing 32 years old.

You can take a horse to water etc etc etc. They still all get the same schools and same teachers, that's the same opportunity is it not? It's surely up to them if they want to go shoplifting instead of attend double maths?

Question for you.....how would you feel knowing that one of Joe's teachers was spending 10 times as much time working with a kid who beats Joe up on the way home from school everyday? It goes both ways you see....there may be some kids who have asshole parents who keep them off school or wont let them do homework who suffer because the class is geared to the more responsibly parented/harder working kids.....but at the same time, the more adept kids can suffer because teacher time is devoted to getting a stubborn 11 year old to read (not dyslexic, not impaired, just a wee cunt, we had several in my high school). I'm not that far off your age, and I doubt kids get a better education than I did.....for example, "computer studies" in a modern school apparently involves training them to use MS0-Turd instead of anything about computers. Education counts for FUCK all for employers these days anyway, they WANT morons who an be trained chimp-fashion rather then people with a good general knowledge of facts and how stuff works. The want people who watch Big Brother and Room 101.....not a cunt that actually read 1984.

Doctor? wrote:

They still all get the same schools and same teachers, that's the same opportunity is it not? .

And this weeks award for the gross simplification of a subject goes to...the poster above!

I didn't realise that schools and teachers were the 'same' eveywhere. Funny because back in my day we had good teachers and we had shite teachers just as we had good schools and we had shite schools. Glad they've sorted that now.

Are pupils all the 'same' now as well? Because in my class you had some kids that had left the house in the morning with a breakfast inside them and a clean shirt while others hadn't been fed and were wearing a shirt that their ma's hadn't washed for weeks. It's weird cos see the kids that had been fed and dressed properly? They tended to do better at exams and stuff than the other ones. Despite having exactly the same opportunity. Weird that eh?

Doctor? wrote: The want people who watch Big Brother and Room 101.....not a cunt that actually read 1984.

I didn't know this was the gauge to measure intellegence, if so I'm doubly smartest!

El Jarvo wrote:

EdelBrock wrote:

Doctor? wrote: The want people who watch Big Brother and Room 101.....not a cunt that actually read 1984.

I didn't know this was the gauge to measure intellegence, if so I'm doubly smartest!

Oh, the irony!

**NOTE**

There is another mistake that somehow flew under the radar...

I'm rubber and you're glue, whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you.

:p

Cambo,

No school, teacher or pupil are the same, that's a fact. There is proof that this is not the case. Can't see how you can use that at as an argument, it's beyond comprehension.

As a parent, if Joe was being beaten up, i'd make damn fucking sure the school dealt with it appropriately with all the circumstances taken into consideration taking the appropriate action. I'd make sure it didn't happen again. What did you think I would say? It's ok because I work with challenging kids? Or give up on the kid because he hurt mine and doesn't deserve ever to have a life and education for that reason?

I know that in my 10 year career in education, not once did any of the kids in trouble or disruptive receive any higher amount of support and learning than any other child in the classroom behaving. Depending on circumstances, some were worked with on a one-to-one basis, groups or I managed the behavior and issues within the mainstream classroom without disruption to others learning. But it was all equal. They were not treated as 'special' it is just a different approach.

And it amazes me that the assumption is that bullies are simply kids from estates and working class families. You'll find a lot of the bullying that takes place is from kids who behave perfectly within school and school settings and are perceived as incapable of bullying anyone. Just because someone is from a more privileged background, is well educated etc, etc....doesn't mean they automatically qualify as being a perfect nice person without a nasty streak running through them, they can often be the worse offenders, not one of these 'arseholes' you keep making reference to.

You and I are nothing the same, and I can tell you that the standard of education that my son receives is a world away from that i experienced, and that is a fact. The same way that the education you and I had was a world apart.

Have to agree with Bonzette here. Granted I'm working in US school districts (as a glorious substitute), and yer talking about UK schools, but there is no way two schools are at all the same.

That people blame socioeconomic demographics on bad schooling, I think is wrong. It has to do with how administrators decide to set the school up and the policies they set. The enviroment is set by these parameters. I've seen excellent schools (I would even want my kids to go to) in very poor areas; and I've seen terrible schools in affluent areas (that would cause me to move away if my kids were to go there).

I work in five school districts, but I will focus on only two because they have the exact same demographics as in race and socioeconomic backgrounds. All house classic suburban, white, upper-middle-class kids, within a 15 mile radius. In one school district, the students in all three high schools are less disruptive in class, get along better with each other, and is a condusive learning enviroment. The other school district has 3 out of four high schools that feel close to prison; students don't get along with each other, kids aren't at school for an education (more so than your average teenager).
This has everything to do with the administrators' policies, it starts from above and trickles down.

Right, I know when I'm beat. I shall walk away from this one, and leave you all to build your gold statue of Jade in peace.

EdelBrock wrote:

Doctor? wrote: The want people who watch Big Brother and Room 101.....not a cunt that actually read 1984.

I didn't know this was the gauge to measure intellegence, if so I'm doubly smartest!

Well, that's not quite how I meant it. I picked that specific example because it always amuses me something rotten, and terrifies me in equal measure. Maybe I'm just determined to prove that being a minority of one does not make you insane.

EdelBrock wrote:

Doctor? wrote: The want people who watch Big Brother and Room 101.....not a cunt that actually read 1984.

I didn't know this was the gauge to measure intellegence, if so I'm doubly smartest!

Perhaps you're twice the cunt everyone else is? :)

Doctor? wrote: Right, I know when I'm beat. I shall walk away from this one, and leave you all to build your gold statue of Jade in peace.

I'm thinking of manufacturing a Jade vibrator in tribute: much more 21st century than a 'statue'.

Marketing slogan: "IT'LL ADD SAUCE TO YOUR KEBAB"

James Thomas wrote:

EdelBrock wrote:

Doctor? wrote: The want people who watch Big Brother and Room 101.....not a cunt that actually read 1984.

I didn't know this was the gauge to measure intellegence, if so I'm doubly smartest!

Perhaps you're twice the cunt everyone else is? :)

Suppose that means I need twice the vibrator? Does Martin plan on making an extra large Jaderator for the likes of me, or do I have to actually purchase two?

PETER COATES'S BELATED REDEMPTION wrote:

Doctor? wrote: Right, I know when I'm beat. I shall walk away from this one, and leave you all to build your gold statue of Jade in peace.

I'm thinking of manufacturing a Jade vibrator in tribute: much more 21st century than a 'statue'.

Marketing slogan: "IT'LL ADD SAUCE TO YOUR KEBAB"

Martin, again, you prove you are the most glorious of all NOOL's cunts. Ever considered running for parliament? You'd get my vote (if paddies were allowed a vote natch)

James Thomas wrote: Oh and if you are so keen on helping the deprived why didn't you get a career helping them rather than teaching the middle classes how to watch telly? Social deprivation shouldn't be used as an excuse for bad behaviour, except in Guardian world.

Jim,

just out of interest, couple of questions for you:

1- Whats the "SEN" department like in your school?

2- How are the Years 8-11 (I presume Year 7 is mixed) divided up abilty wise?

The Teacher wrote:

James Thomas wrote: Oh and if you are so keen on helping the deprived why didn't you get a career helping them rather than teaching the middle classes how to watch telly? Social deprivation shouldn't be used as an excuse for bad behaviour, except in Guardian world.

Jim,

just out of interest, couple of questions for you:

1- Whats the "SEN" department like in your school?

2- How are the Years 8-11 (I presume Year 7 is mixed) divided up abilty wise?

I can guarantee that if only you watched more telly, Liam, you would already know the answer to this question.

1. 5th amendment
2. For sums they are split into "equal" halves (one slightly more than t'other) and than each half divided into 4 or 5 based on ability.

As Martin says watch telly, Waterloo Road it's so true

James Thomas wrote:

1. 5th amendment
2. For sums they are split into "equal" halves (one slightly more than t'other) and than each half divided into 4 or 5 based on ability.

As Martin says watch telly, Waterloo Road it's so true

Not as true as "Educating Rita", though.

Saw you more as "the History Man" Martin?

Do I get a qualification for seeing and remembering ancient media?

Frads

or Frads,

you choose

You get a PhD for that post, Jimbo. That's how easy-peasy this whole limp-wristed media/film/TV/cultural studies shit is.

I have to admit, I always saw you as Michelle Pfeiffer in "Dangerous Minds", prowling the school corridors of Yorkshire's 'ardest gangtas with your buttocks looking particularly pert in a tight black pencil skirt.

I would put an illustrative image in here, but my degrees are so wank that I don't know how to do it. I should have paid more attention at school.

BTW - I'd like to say Mr Caine, but he looks like fucking Zeus in that photo, so it has to be the chap above. Great tie/'tache combo.

No Frads, thats me at Buttershaw!

Not quite the physique or looks but if you want deprived povery stricken that's my bag!

Took JT up there to show him where the school was the other day and was not let down, there were kids riding a horse and cart round the steet and horses grazing outside the school. I kid you not! xx

Bonzette wrote:

The truth is for every good teacher and school there are also lot of bad teachers and schools out there and ones who are not interested in working with those children that are more challenging. As in this thread, troubled kids are 'labeled' and blamed but I can assure you that it is never that clear cut, many are let down by our education system and as a result of their personal situations.

And why should they?

Seems to me you dont know what a good teacher is. A good teacher is someone who gets everyone to reach their maximum potential. Your use of the word challenging is ridiculously vague. And a good teacher can only get everyone to reach their maxiumum abilty by not having to deal with the twats who are only their for a doss.

I'm a Teacher. I Teach. School is not "doss time". Why should my lessons be a time when I have to accomodate one or two pupils distracting everyone else. One of the greatest things I've ever seen was when one of the lads in my Year 9 classturned around to the perpetually disruptive and annoying scarf girl and told her to "shut the fuck up now!". Most kids want to learn, yet the constant pandering to those with so called behavioural problems is just bullshit. Pure, unmitigated bullshit.

Its statements like this which are detroying the education system in this country. Nigel Blackwell said it best; "Is your child hyperactive or is he perhaps a twat?"

Once you get to a certain age, Education should be a privilege, not a right. If you've spent your time in school fucking around, being a twat, then thank you and good night. Sadly, it doesnt work like that. In my 6th form classes, there is at least one pupil who shouldnt be there, wastes everyones times and is only there as he scraped four c's at GCSE. One of them was suspended numerous times for just being a twat. He's not going to get any better than an E in his AS this summer, because frankly, he's a waste of space. He might be very capable, but all he does is waste my time, take up a seat and distract the others. Yet we have to keep him in because a) The Head gets a bonus if he has a certain number of pupils on the roll and b) Special Educational Needs have decreed he has "emotional difficulties" and should be kept in to aid his development. Of course, the development of everyone else in the class can go take a running jump.

The Teacher wrote:

Bonzette wrote:

The truth is for every good teacher and school there are also lot of bad teachers and schools out there and ones who are not interested in working with those children that are more challenging. As in this thread, troubled kids are 'labeled' and blamed but I can assure you that it is never that clear cut, many are let down by our education system and as a result of their personal situations.

And why should they?

Seems to me you dont know what a good teacher is. A good teacher is someone who gets everyone to reach their maximum potential. Your use of the word challenging is ridiculously vague. And a good teacher can only get everyone to reach their maxiumum abilty by not having to deal with the twats who are only their for a doss.

I'm a Teacher. I Teach. School is not "doss time". Why should my lessons be a time when I have to accomodate one or two pupils distracting everyone else. One of the greatest things I've ever seen was when one of the lads in my Year 9 classturned around to the perpetually disruptive and annoying scarf girl and told her to "shut the fuck up now!". Most kids want to learn, yet the constant pandering to those with so called behavioural problems is just bullshit. Pure, unmitigated bullshit.

Its statements like this which are detroying the education system in this country. Nigel Blackwell said it best; "Is your child hyperactive or is he perhaps a twat?"

Once you get to a certain age, Education should be a privilege, not a right. If you've spent your time in school fucking around, being a twat, then thank you and good night. Sadly, it doesnt work like that. In my 6th form classes, there is at least one pupil who shouldnt be there, wastes everyones times and is only there as he scraped four c's at GCSE. One of them was suspended numerous times for just being a twat. He's not going to get any better than an E in his AS this summer, because frankly, he's a waste of space. He might be very capable, but all he does is waste my time, take up a seat and distract the others. Yet we have to keep him in because a) The Head gets a bonus if he has a certain number of pupils on the roll and b) Special Educational Needs have decreed he has "emotional difficulties" and should be kept in to aid his development. Of course, the development of everyone else in the class can go take a running jump.

Spoken like a true twat.

Granted there is a grain of truth that education at a certian age should be a priviledge and not a right... but hating the kid for being a twat is assinine. The kid's a twat because they aren't getting good parenting. Give them a good role model and they can be turned around.

But yer the type of teacher that only wants to teach to the willing... what's the fun in that? They'll learn with an open book without you. The one's that are really worth the time are those that need direction. Granted you can't help all of them, but the one you do can really effect society.

EdelBrock wrote:

The Teacher wrote:

Bonzette wrote:

The truth is for every good teacher and school there are also lot of bad teachers and schools out there and ones who are not interested in working with those children that are more challenging. As in this thread, troubled kids are 'labeled' and blamed but I can assure you that it is never that clear cut, many are let down by our education system and as a result of their personal situations.

And why should they?

Seems to me you dont know what a good teacher is. A good teacher is someone who gets everyone to reach their maximum potential. Your use of the word challenging is ridiculously vague. And a good teacher can only get everyone to reach their maxiumum abilty by not having to deal with the twats who are only their for a doss.

I'm a Teacher. I Teach. School is not "doss time". Why should my lessons be a time when I have to accomodate one or two pupils distracting everyone else. One of the greatest things I've ever seen was when one of the lads in my Year 9 classturned around to the perpetually disruptive and annoying scarf girl and told her to "shut the fuck up now!". Most kids want to learn, yet the constant pandering to those with so called behavioural problems is just bullshit. Pure, unmitigated bullshit.

Its statements like this which are detroying the education system in this country. Nigel Blackwell said it best; "Is your child hyperactive or is he perhaps a twat?"

Once you get to a certain age, Education should be a privilege, not a right. If you've spent your time in school fucking around, being a twat, then thank you and good night. Sadly, it doesnt work like that. In my 6th form classes, there is at least one pupil who shouldnt be there, wastes everyones times and is only there as he scraped four c's at GCSE. One of them was suspended numerous times for just being a twat. He's not going to get any better than an E in his AS this summer, because frankly, he's a waste of space. He might be very capable, but all he does is waste my time, take up a seat and distract the others. Yet we have to keep him in because a) The Head gets a bonus if he has a certain number of pupils on the roll and b) Special Educational Needs have decreed he has "emotional difficulties" and should be kept in to aid his development. Of course, the development of everyone else in the class can go take a running jump.

Spoken like a true twat.

Granted there is a grain of truth that education at a certian age should be a priviledge and not a right... but hating the kid for being a twat is assinine. The kid's a twat because they aren't getting good parenting. Give them a good role model and they can be turned around.

But yer the type of teacher that only wants to teach to the willing... what's the fun in that? They'll learn with an open book without you. The one's that are really worth the time are those that need direction. Granted you can't help all of them, but the one you do can really effect society.

Fuckin' hell Edel Brock that may be the only sensible post I've seen you write on these forums. Take a sweetie from the jar and have a big gold star on your jotter, you've deserved it.

Liam, you should speak to the Union about only allowing nice kids who don't snigger at your lessons in to class. I'm thinking of only dealing with nice people in my day to day work as well. It's so tiresome having to deal with the 'twats'. Perhaps the police, nurses, firemen and any other public servants should join forces with the teachers and demand that from now on they will only be called on to serve the 'nice' people.

Bonzette wrote:

I know that in my 10 year career in education, not once did any of the kids in trouble or disruptive receive any higher amount of support and learning than any other child in the classroom behaving. Depending on circumstances, some were worked with on a one-to-one basis, groups or I managed the behavior and issues within the mainstream classroom without disruption to others learning. But it was all equal. They were not treated as 'special' it is just a different approach.

What preposterous nonsense.

So... in ten years not once did any of the kids in trouble or disruptive recieve any higher amount of support, yet some were worked with on a one to one basis. Surely being taught on a one to one basis is more support. So its one or the other, it cant be both.

I teach a Kid in Year 7 who has no major learning difficulties, he's not that bright and thats it. He doesnt come from a broken family, he just comes from the local area, no special schooling or anything like that. He is however,a little shit. He has no manners, doesnt do the work, and actively seeks to disrupt the lesson by trying to wind his teachers up or to wind up his students, and then bemoans the fact that nobody likes him. He gets a TA in all his lessons soley dedicated to him. If thats not special support, I dont know what is.

The truth is, the collapse in school discipline can be linked to the emergence of SEN departments within schools. SEN departments made up of (and usually run by) failed teachers sit there and dictate to teachers how to do things and make excuses (and Graeme, explain and excuse are not mutally exclusive, not by a long shot) for badly behaved pupils. In my experience, as well as near enough everyone I have asked, SEN make teachers jobs nigh on impossible by the promise of rewards for badly behaved pupils.

Look at it like this. Little johnny gets taken out of lessons for being constantly disruptive. Now, normally, this would entail spending a day with the head of year, or outside the heads office. But no, these days it will entail going to the SEN, to talk about it over a cup of tea, before the chance to play XBOX or Playstation, knowing int he future there's a day out of school. Meanwhile, Little johnnys mate Aaron sees johnny missing out on my lesson about the five pillars of Islam to do the fun stuff, solely because he's been taken out of lessons for being disruptive. What kind of message does that give out? Be disruptive, be badly behaved, and you will be rewarded for it.

GlasVegas wrote:

EdelBrock wrote:

The Teacher wrote:

Bonzette wrote:

The truth is for every good teacher and school there are also lot of bad teachers and schools out there and ones who are not interested in working with those children that are more challenging. As in this thread, troubled kids are 'labeled' and blamed but I can assure you that it is never that clear cut, many are let down by our education system and as a result of their personal situations.

And why should they?

Seems to me you dont know what a good teacher is. A good teacher is someone who gets everyone to reach their maximum potential. Your use of the word challenging is ridiculously vague. And a good teacher can only get everyone to reach their maxiumum abilty by not having to deal with the twats who are only their for a doss.

I'm a Teacher. I Teach. School is not "doss time". Why should my lessons be a time when I have to accomodate one or two pupils distracting everyone else. One of the greatest things I've ever seen was when one of the lads in my Year 9 classturned around to the perpetually disruptive and annoying scarf girl and told her to "shut the fuck up now!". Most kids want to learn, yet the constant pandering to those with so called behavioural problems is just bullshit. Pure, unmitigated bullshit.

Its statements like this which are detroying the education system in this country. Nigel Blackwell said it best; "Is your child hyperactive or is he perhaps a twat?"

Once you get to a certain age, Education should be a privilege, not a right. If you've spent your time in school fucking around, being a twat, then thank you and good night. Sadly, it doesnt work like that. In my 6th form classes, there is at least one pupil who shouldnt be there, wastes everyones times and is only there as he scraped four c's at GCSE. One of them was suspended numerous times for just being a twat. He's not going to get any better than an E in his AS this summer, because frankly, he's a waste of space. He might be very capable, but all he does is waste my time, take up a seat and distract the others. Yet we have to keep him in because a) The Head gets a bonus if he has a certain number of pupils on the roll and b) Special Educational Needs have decreed he has "emotional difficulties" and should be kept in to aid his development. Of course, the development of everyone else in the class can go take a running jump.

Spoken like a true twat.

Granted there is a grain of truth that education at a certian age should be a priviledge and not a right... but hating the kid for being a twat is assinine. The kid's a twat because they aren't getting good parenting. Give them a good role model and they can be turned around.

But yer the type of teacher that only wants to teach to the willing... what's the fun in that? They'll learn with an open book without you. The one's that are really worth the time are those that need direction. Granted you can't help all of them, but the one you do can really effect society.

Fuckin' hell Edel Brock that may be the only sensible post I've seen you write on these forums. Take a sweetie from the jar and have a big gold star on your jotter, you've deserved it.

Liam, you should speak to the Union about only allowing nice kids who don't snigger at your lessons in to class. I'm thinking of only dealing with nice people in my day to day work as well. It's so tiresome having to deal with the 'twats'. Perhaps the police, nurses, firemen and any other public servants should join forces with the teachers and demand that from now on they will only be called on to serve the 'nice' people.

Hang on, post 16 Education in this coutnry is voluntary, no one is forcing anyone to do anything, so why the fuck should I put up with disruptive cunts in my lesson. And why should the pupils who want to learn, and are prepared to contribute. If you're there, you are there to learn, not to fuck around constantly. When i was in 6th form, we were allowed to do pretty much what we wanted, but we always knew if we fucked around or didnt do the work we were out. And as time went on, and the class got smaller and smaller, the ones that were left were more and more grateful. And when it was made clear by the head of law (incidentally the best teacher I ever had, and now one of my best friends) two days after our first year exam that any fucking around in second year and we were out, everyone knew where they stood and what was expected. The result? Everyone went up at least a grade.

So why should Education be compulsory up to 16? By fifteen or even fourteen everyone knows whats on the line. Having it compulsory just breeds resentment anyway. If they want to get GCSEs' then great. But not at the expense of other pupils. Its the lower sets that matter the most anyway, because you need a C (in reality, no real difference between a C and a A*), yet the shitheads in the lower sets, most of whom are probably capable of getting a C, choose not to, and choose to drag everyone down with them.

So to say everyone does get the same educational opportunities is bullshit. But mainly because of the shitty pupils who want to ruin it for everyone else.

should i add my token comment to this funstance debate.... nah.. bollocks to the little twats, cane em. What do these liberal guardian types use to excuse 'twats' who have no issues eh, sue they'll find some reason to spend more time n £ with em'. Bring back grammar schools, stop this inclusion bollocks n re-introduce the special needs schools. Ohh and adht type conditions do not exist, still not sure bout dyslexia !

Andrew Sayer wrote: should i add my token comment to this funstance debate.... nah.. bollocks to the little twats, cane em. What do these liberal guardian types use to excuse 'twats' who have no issues eh, sue they'll find some reason to spend more time n £ with em'. Bring back grammar schools, stop this inclusion bollocks n re-introduce the special needs schools. Ohh and adht type conditions do not exist, still not sure bout dyslexia !

they said im dyslexic, b/cos of me essay writing. they said i have it, bcos they wont say im lazy and should work harder,

i just put the smallest amount of effort into essay to get what i need, if you know what i mean.

there is a distinct lack of balls in education today, there always has to be an excuse, midly dyslexic my arse. i m just fucking lazy.

but dyslexia is real. look at Wendy Hannet, she really struggled with it

The Teacher wrote:

GlasVegas wrote:

EdelBrock wrote:

The Teacher wrote:

Bonzette wrote:

The truth is for every good teacher and school there are also lot of bad teachers and schools out there and ones who are not interested in working with those children that are more challenging. As in this thread, troubled kids are 'labeled' and blamed but I can assure you that it is never that clear cut, many are let down by our education system and as a result of their personal situations.

And why should they?

Seems to me you dont know what a good teacher is. A good teacher is someone who gets everyone to reach their maximum potential. Your use of the word challenging is ridiculously vague. And a good teacher can only get everyone to reach their maxiumum abilty by not having to deal with the twats who are only their for a doss.

I'm a Teacher. I Teach. School is not "doss time". Why should my lessons be a time when I have to accomodate one or two pupils distracting everyone else. One of the greatest things I've ever seen was when one of the lads in my Year 9 classturned around to the perpetually disruptive and annoying scarf girl and told her to "shut the fuck up now!". Most kids want to learn, yet the constant pandering to those with so called behavioural problems is just bullshit. Pure, unmitigated bullshit.

Its statements like this which are detroying the education system in this country. Nigel Blackwell said it best; "Is your child hyperactive or is he perhaps a twat?"

Once you get to a certain age, Education should be a privilege, not a right. If you've spent your time in school fucking around, being a twat, then thank you and good night. Sadly, it doesnt work like that. In my 6th form classes, there is at least one pupil who shouldnt be there, wastes everyones times and is only there as he scraped four c's at GCSE. One of them was suspended numerous times for just being a twat. He's not going to get any better than an E in his AS this summer, because frankly, he's a waste of space. He might be very capable, but all he does is waste my time, take up a seat and distract the others. Yet we have to keep him in because a) The Head gets a bonus if he has a certain number of pupils on the roll and b) Special Educational Needs have decreed he has "emotional difficulties" and should be kept in to aid his development. Of course, the development of everyone else in the class can go take a running jump.

Spoken like a true twat.

Granted there is a grain of truth that education at a certian age should be a priviledge and not a right... but hating the kid for being a twat is assinine. The kid's a twat because they aren't getting good parenting. Give them a good role model and they can be turned around.

But yer the type of teacher that only wants to teach to the willing... what's the fun in that? They'll learn with an open book without you. The one's that are really worth the time are those that need direction. Granted you can't help all of them, but the one you do can really effect society.

Fuckin' hell Edel Brock that may be the only sensible post I've seen you write on these forums. Take a sweetie from the jar and have a big gold star on your jotter, you've deserved it.

Liam, you should speak to the Union about only allowing nice kids who don't snigger at your lessons in to class. I'm thinking of only dealing with nice people in my day to day work as well. It's so tiresome having to deal with the 'twats'. Perhaps the police, nurses, firemen and any other public servants should join forces with the teachers and demand that from now on they will only be called on to serve the 'nice' people.

Hang on, post 16 Education in this coutnry is voluntary, no one is forcing anyone to do anything, so why the fuck should I put up with disruptive cunts in my lesson. And why should the pupils who want to learn, and are prepared to contribute. If you're there, you are there to learn, not to fuck around constantly. When i was in 6th form, we were allowed to do pretty much what we wanted, but we always knew if we fucked around or didnt do the work we were out. And as time went on, and the class got smaller and smaller, the ones that were left were more and more grateful. And when it was made clear by the head of law (incidentally the best teacher I ever had, and now one of my best friends) two days after our first year exam that any fucking around in second year and we were out, everyone knew where they stood and what was expected. The result? Everyone went up at least a grade.

So why should Education be compulsory up to 16? By fifteen or even fourteen everyone knows whats on the line. Having it compulsory just breeds resentment anyway. If they want to get GCSEs' then great. But not at the expense of other pupils. Its the lower sets that matter the most anyway, because you need a C (in reality, no real difference between a C and a A*), yet the shitheads in the lower sets, most of whom are probably capable of getting a C, choose not to, and choose to drag everyone down with them.

So to say everyone does get the same educational opportunities is bullshit. But mainly because of the shitty pupils who want to ruin it for everyone else.

Yes, because every child at that age knows what the future holds for them. They fully understand the consequences of their actions just as they're going through puberty. That's right, they're fully mature at that age.

Everybody is a cunt. Some people are just more cunts than others.

Knuckles wrote:

The Teacher wrote:

GlasVegas wrote:

EdelBrock wrote:

The Teacher wrote:

Bonzette wrote:

The truth is for every good teacher and school there are also lot of bad teachers and schools out there and ones who are not interested in working with those children that are more challenging. As in this thread, troubled kids are 'labeled' and blamed but I can assure you that it is never that clear cut, many are let down by our education system and as a result of their personal situations.

And why should they?

Seems to me you dont know what a good teacher is. A good teacher is someone who gets everyone to reach their maximum potential. Your use of the word challenging is ridiculously vague. And a good teacher can only get everyone to reach their maxiumum abilty by not having to deal with the twats who are only their for a doss.

I'm a Teacher. I Teach. School is not "doss time". Why should my lessons be a time when I have to accomodate one or two pupils distracting everyone else. One of the greatest things I've ever seen was when one of the lads in my Year 9 classturned around to the perpetually disruptive and annoying scarf girl and told her to "shut the fuck up now!". Most kids want to learn, yet the constant pandering to those with so called behavioural problems is just bullshit. Pure, unmitigated bullshit.

Its statements like this which are detroying the education system in this country. Nigel Blackwell said it best; "Is your child hyperactive or is he perhaps a twat?"

Once you get to a certain age, Education should be a privilege, not a right. If you've spent your time in school fucking around, being a twat, then thank you and good night. Sadly, it doesnt work like that. In my 6th form classes, there is at least one pupil who shouldnt be there, wastes everyones times and is only there as he scraped four c's at GCSE. One of them was suspended numerous times for just being a twat. He's not going to get any better than an E in his AS this summer, because frankly, he's a waste of space. He might be very capable, but all he does is waste my time, take up a seat and distract the others. Yet we have to keep him in because a) The Head gets a bonus if he has a certain number of pupils on the roll and b) Special Educational Needs have decreed he has "emotional difficulties" and should be kept in to aid his development. Of course, the development of everyone else in the class can go take a running jump.

Spoken like a true twat.

Granted there is a grain of truth that education at a certian age should be a priviledge and not a right... but hating the kid for being a twat is assinine. The kid's a twat because they aren't getting good parenting. Give them a good role model and they can be turned around.

But yer the type of teacher that only wants to teach to the willing... what's the fun in that? They'll learn with an open book without you. The one's that are really worth the time are those that need direction. Granted you can't help all of them, but the one you do can really effect society.

Fuckin' hell Edel Brock that may be the only sensible post I've seen you write on these forums. Take a sweetie from the jar and have a big gold star on your jotter, you've deserved it.

Liam, you should speak to the Union about only allowing nice kids who don't snigger at your lessons in to class. I'm thinking of only dealing with nice people in my day to day work as well. It's so tiresome having to deal with the 'twats'. Perhaps the police, nurses, firemen and any other public servants should join forces with the teachers and demand that from now on they will only be called on to serve the 'nice' people.

Hang on, post 16 Education in this coutnry is voluntary, no one is forcing anyone to do anything, so why the fuck should I put up with disruptive cunts in my lesson. And why should the pupils who want to learn, and are prepared to contribute. If you're there, you are there to learn, not to fuck around constantly. When i was in 6th form, we were allowed to do pretty much what we wanted, but we always knew if we fucked around or didnt do the work we were out. And as time went on, and the class got smaller and smaller, the ones that were left were more and more grateful. And when it was made clear by the head of law (incidentally the best teacher I ever had, and now one of my best friends) two days after our first year exam that any fucking around in second year and we were out, everyone knew where they stood and what was expected. The result? Everyone went up at least a grade.

So why should Education be compulsory up to 16? By fifteen or even fourteen everyone knows whats on the line. Having it compulsory just breeds resentment anyway. If they want to get GCSEs' then great. But not at the expense of other pupils. Its the lower sets that matter the most anyway, because you need a C (in reality, no real difference between a C and a A*), yet the shitheads in the lower sets, most of whom are probably capable of getting a C, choose not to, and choose to drag everyone down with them.

So to say everyone does get the same educational opportunities is bullshit. But mainly because of the shitty pupils who want to ruin it for everyone else.

Yes, because every child at that age knows what the future holds for them. They fully understand the consequences of their actions just as they're going through puberty. That's right, they're fully mature at that age.

Everybody is a cunt. Some people are just more cunts than others.

Indeed. Just ask Liam. Who has only been teaching for about five minutes but is now apparently a self-appointed authority on all aspects of the education system, its failings, and the failings of da yoof.

I didn't see that coming.

I loved stealing from the Tuck Shop.Wagon wheels and them little bags of PUFFs.bet Shug remembers THEM.

SHED wrote: I love .. little ..PUFFs

:bandit:

OI.Teacher...leave them KIDs alone

The Teacher wrote: Meanwhile, Little johnnys mate Aaron sees johnny missing out on my lesson about the five pillars of Islam...

... playing XBoX instead learning about the Islam? You make Johnny sound like he's actually quite the bright young fella!

El Jarvo wrote: Am I missing something?

There was classes I had as a kid which were quiet as a mouse, others where you could just run riot. That was down to the teacher, and the teacher alone. Some you respected, others you could just basically bully. I appreciate teachers can't just leather kids these days, like in my day, but you should still have some command of the classroom, surely?

Isn't that the art of being a good teacher?

You know - that's a bloody good point!