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I am interested to hear if anyone here records their own music on a home pc and if so what software/hardware they use?

Ive settled upon Kristal Audio Editor which is a basic but efficient free bit of software which has an screen to display the mixer and a screen to show all the tracks and soundwaves.

I also use Audacity (also free) as an external editor, have a Creative Soundblaster soundcard and a cheap electric guitar and even cheaper Casio keyboard.

Its a great little hobby which keeps me out of mischief.

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I should think you'll get quite a few replies from here!

I use cubase 4, reason & ezdrummer running on a now [retty old carillon PC, with a emu1820m audio interface, i have a reasonable bass, not bad electro acoustic guitar and a shit electric guitar, i alos have a line6 basspod xt live and eh clone theory (original) and a sure sm58 for vocals. monitoring is with adam a7 monitors, which are very nice. It all cost a fair bit but I get a hell of a lot of enjoyment out of it, so it's worth it, even if some people don't like my music.

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I think C Bentley has a four-track cassette deck he fiddles with sometimes.

Here's my list o' crap:

Computer shit:

Logic Pro 7.1 running on my elderly first-gen Power Mac G4 Audiowerk 2 and M-Audio Delta Audiophile 24/96 PCI cards Emagic MT-4 MIDI interface Steinberger PPG 2.V, NI Battery 2 and Dynamo, Miroslav Philharmonik, T-racks 3

Microphone shit:

AKG C-414 (early '80s vintage) Shure SM57 beyerdynamic TGX-480 Realistic PZMs (x2) ART Tube MP (x2) Behringer Xenyx mixer (just for the preamps)

Instruments 'n' shit:

Fender American Standard Stratocaster Fender Precision bass Squier Tele :love: Hartke Piggyback 60 watt amp head/4x10 cabinet Yahama acoustic Sound Percussion 4 piece drumkit Tama snare, Paiste and Sabian cymbals drumKAT 3.8 drum controller Casio FZ-1 (my keyboard controller) Yamaha FB-01

Outboard shit:

Alesis 3630 compressor Quadraverb GT

Monitors 'n' shit:

Yorkville passive monitors Samson power amp Sony MDR V6 headphones

The drumkit is the most recent addition and sounds really nice through two PZMs on the walls as overheads, SM57 on the snare top, AKG C-414 on snare bottom and beyerdynamic on kick.

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No Regret, it all starts as a simple hobby and then grows exponentially...

Here's my 4-track cassette setup:

Software: Cubase 4, Ableton Live 8, Wavelab, too many plug in's to mention. Mics: AT-4047, At-4033, SM 57x3, EV N/D 868, BLUE Cactus(prototype design), RODE NT2, NT4, NT5, Studio Projects C1.

Yamaha DTX Drums w/ Roland TD-8 module

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DUDE!!!!!! That's a blissful wee setup. And there's me wondering why they asked you to do the mastering and not me [1] :lol:

Makes even our extended family of gadgetry seem small.

The current Cambo rig is....... 1x Fast as fuck PC 1x Maudio Ozone and as much software as bit torrent can provide. Am going to buy Cubase 4 soonish though, been a few years since I owned a legit version, so it's about time I paid up again. (and no, it's not just cos there's no crack yet).

Virtual faves are any and all Native Instruments stuff[2], Arturia Moog, USB Ultrafocus (billed as a synth.....anyone else ever seen a synth that needed 4GB of disk space for a couple thousand patches? thought not, it's a fookin sample player), And the Spectrasonic twins......Atmosphere, and Stylus RMX (have to ration stylus, or every track would turn into an amazing percussion symphony that's really bugger all to do with anything I did).

SNSS does still have an extensive hardware collection, though at my place there is only the JV90 and Behringer mixer....both disconnected for now, no space, hence the Ozone.

We've got a Juno60 (a half way house between a 6 and a 106, digital oscilators, arpreggiator, no memories, filter far more susceptable to environment than 106) and a 106, a Yam CS1x, Moog Rogue, more mixers, Quasimidi Teknox (rare and beastly), MKS70 (or 80), MachineDrum....in generally we have a pile of stuff, but it's all in the care of Rich at the moment as he has a big house containing only him +1 (one) almost-wife.....so he can have a full setup. I have two tiny rooms and WAY WAAAAAAY too much junk to have any kind of working comfort involving more than a PC.

[1], That, and you're probably better at it natch ;) [2] Except fucking Battery, what fucking use is a fucking drum player with fucking clicky fucking amp fucking EG's???????? Latest version seems better, but I can still hear the odd artifact.

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BTW......is some of that kit custom? (few cases there looking like unlabeled radio shack buy-ins). And is that a couple of Lexicon half racks I see there?

I LOVE out little lexy (fuck.....must be getting old, forgot the model.....the one they stuck out about 10 years ago with the software from their former top-of-the-range jobs(which I've also forgotten the model num for.....LXP9000? PCM9000? there was a dedicated delay/very that retailed at £8000 and a full multi-fx for about 10.....jesus I've let my geekery slip) on it, that cost errrm....like 200 quid).....first time I heard one of our gigs where we used it back on cans, I nearly weapt at the difference just the quality of the delays and verbs made.

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I like the knobs.... could keep me busy for hours

and they wouldn't have to do anything either:laugh:

....but not enough toggle switches:nono:

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EdelBrock wrote: I like the knobs.... could keep me busy for hours

and they wouldn't have to do anything either:laugh:

....but not enough toggle switches:nono:

Aye, big, long throw toggle switches. And quadrant faders, I fucking dream of old school BBC quadrant facders.

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Bentley wrote: No Regret, it all starts as a simple hobby and then grows exponentially...

Here's my 4-track cassette setup:

Software: Cubase 4, Ableton Live 8, Wavelab, too many plug in's to mention. Mics: AT-4047, At-4033, SM 57x3, EV N/D 868, BLUE Cactus(prototype design), RODE NT2, NT4, NT5, Studio Projects C1.

Yamaha DTX Drums w/ Roland TD-8 module

PAH! cheap rubbish

:evil4:

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Hey Bentley, I dig that crazy Juno 106. I did some session work circa '85 and that was one of the house synths. Fond memories of sweet analog fatness. And I'd love to get my fingers on your big red knob and twiddle (the Microwave, that is).

What's the word on the Studio Projects C1? I've been awfully close to buying one as a supplement to the AKG... that or the Rode NT1A.

I :love: Bentley!

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Doctor? wrote: BTW......is some of that kit custom? (few cases there looking like unlabeled radio shack buy-ins). And is that a couple of Lexicon half racks I see there?

Lots of boutique gear but nothing custom... unless you count the Seventh Circle preamps. You order then as kit and about 8 hours of testing and soldering later you have a mic pre. I've got 3, 2 of which are in the same family of tone as an API and an additional Neve clone. All these preamps came in handy when I was tracking bands... less so for tracking synths.

No Lexicon untis in here but I know the one you're speaking of, just can't recall the model number. Sounds like a million bucks.

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Gnu Odor wrote: Hey Bentley, I dig that crazy Juno 106. I did some session work circa '85 and that was one of the house synths. Fond memories of sweet analog fatness. And I'd love to get my fingers on your big red knob and twiddle (the Microwave, that is).

What's the word on the Studio Projects C1? I've been awfully close to buying one as a supplement to the AKG... that or the Rode NT1A.

I :love: Bentley!

Ahhh... the dreaded Juno 106. Be careful if you ever get one as they're notorious for dying voice chips. Mine hasn't given me any issues yet and I think somebody might have even cloned the chips to keep these old beasts alive.

The C1 isn't a bad mic but tends to be a bit bright and harsh. I use it when I don't want to endanger other microphones...

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cant wait to hit me mid-life crisis now

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Bentley wrote:

Gnu Odor wrote: Hey Bentley, I dig that crazy Juno 106. I did some session work circa '85 and that was one of the house synths. Fond memories of sweet analog fatness. And I'd love to get my fingers on your big red knob and twiddle (the Microwave, that is).

What's the word on the Studio Projects C1? I've been awfully close to buying one as a supplement to the AKG... that or the Rode NT1A.

I :love: Bentley!

Ahhh... the dreaded Juno 106. Be careful if you ever get one as they're notorious for dying voice chips. Mine hasn't given me any issues yet and I think somebody might have even cloned the chips to keep these old beasts alive.

The C1 isn't a bad mic but tends to be a bit bright and harsh. I use it when I don't want to endanger other microphones...

Meant to ask.....do you subscribe to Campbell's First Law of Audio Engineering? That being "the juno is too loud"

regardless of circumstances those wee fuckers can obliterate all opposition. I have tapes of snss gigs that sound like Roland demo records!!!!!!!

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I keep it turned down. :D I also subscribe to the other laws of "the Juno's chorus is too damn noisy" along with "the Juno's battery will die when you least expect it wiping out your patches you never backed up."

Ever checked out Ableton Live? Having a tremendous about of fun with this program. Once you wrap your head around the way it works it's a great composition tool with some nice plug ins included as well. There's a downloadable two week demo and some awesome tutorial vids on the site.

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Ive done a few home recordings...

..but i dont think the mrs'll be too pleased if i was to let ye's see them :evil4:

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Gazman wrote: Ive done a few home recordings...

..but i dont think the mrs'll be too pleased if i was to let ye's see them :evil4:

No reason to be shy, I think Cambo's seen the donkey show, not sure about Bentley though:wink:

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Bentley wrote: I keep it turned down. :D I also subscribe to the other laws of "the Juno's chorus is too damn noisy" along with "the Juno's battery will die when you least expect it wiping out your patches you never backed up."

Ever checked out Ableton Live? Having a tremendous about of fun with this program. Once you wrap your head around the way it works it's a great composition tool with some nice plug ins included as well. There's a downloadable two week demo and some awesome tutorial vids on the site.

If only it were as easy as turning it down. It's chorus never bothered me, because I used to own a Casio CZ3000, on which the chorus pretty much doubled as a pink noise generator.....lethal synth though, truly lethal.

Abelton is the proverbial canine shaggin tackle....never heard such a good pitch shift/timestretch routine, and it's irritatingly reliable......when you DO do anything stupid it pops up a box saying "you have asked me to do something intensely stupid, are you really sure, cos I might just crash", you tell it yes, and it crashes.....if only all software were so consciencous. Not really done much work on it, particularly in MIDI, as I've only mastered it's audio functions, and as I've said many times, I'm a one trick pony with software sequencers, cubase only for me.

EDIT: you forgot to tell the ladies and gentlemen all about the DETAILS of a 106 with a failed battery! The spelunking mission under the keyboard unit and half the internal wiring to get to the thing, the quest to find the replacement, and best of all the newfound lunacy of any Roland kit of that era when it is sans battery. I had a 303 for a while, a 303 with a failed memcell....man....it was fucking CRAZED, it could not hold a program (like the juno I believe) even when powered up, would imrpov!!!.....now that's amusing enough if it's in "song mode", where every few bars it loads up another random pattern.....but this bugger did it in "pattern mode" just reprogramming itself willy-nilly. It's Sync24 didn't work either (apparently it had been tried with an 808 before I got it, I had nothing that still worked that used sync24), so basically it's purpose was to sit burbling along and every now and then, usually while loading the next song in the set up or something, I would just ease up the fader to see what it was up to, and was never dissappointed. Yes Roland memcells are a bane, I seem to recall that most normals would actually send them away and pay a fsking fortune to have it changed. Fortunately I knew a guy who could (and this is not a figure of speech), field strip and rebuild 106's....including, on a dark stage, repairing a key spring by removing the spring from the next key, cutting it in half, fasioning new ends, and reattaching so both keys had a madly tight "half-spring" each. He'd serviced our 106 just before we procured it. Don't THINK either of our Junos suffered the failed voices.....at least....unless the machine KNOWS it has a dead voice, by which I mean, we never had voices drop out unless we played a new note....normaly polyphonic procedure really. I do reccomend the Juno60 though, the arpreggiator is bliss.....and with no memories, no memcell to lose sleep over. Never like Juno filters though, trying to find that sweet spot on the resonance, between mild res and full on ear splitting self oscillation is just impossible....on a moog that point is MASSIVE, but on a Juno, moving the res about 0.1mm makes the difference between, tootless and useless.

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EdelBrock wrote:

Gazman wrote: Ive done a few home recordings...

..but i dont think the mrs'll be too pleased if i was to let ye's see them :evil4:

No reason to be shy, I think Cambo's seen the donkey show, not sure about Bentley though:wink:

I might show them the one with you in yer gimp suit though :nod:

:laugh:

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Gazman wrote:

EdelBrock wrote:

Gazman wrote: Ive done a few home recordings...

..but i dont think the mrs'll be too pleased if i was to let ye's see them :evil4:

No reason to be shy, I think Cambo's seen the donkey show, not sure about Bentley though:wink:

I might show them the one with you in yer gimp suit though :nod:

:laugh:

So going straight for the "best of" in yer collection, eh? I would've expected you to warm up to that one.:laugh:

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I only lurk here but this is a lovely topic. I run an iMac with the following plugs: Omnisphere RMX Reverence CSR Minimonsta impOSCAr Mtron Pro - buy it, it is wonderful! FM8 Pro5 CS89 Arp2600 Gearbox... And others I can't remember. Mackie 1602 with firewire card SM 57 Oktava 319 Lefty! Variax 500 2X! Ibanez semi-hallow bass when I am feeling "Hooky-ish" I'd recommend Garageband if you are starting out. It is easy to learn and you get pretty quality recordings. I remeber my first New Order show in 1983 St. Andrews Hall in Detroit and was intrigued by all of the gear. It is nice to have some of it in the virtual sense so I don't have to buy 5 of 'em like the Pro5. I do need an Eventide & Bricasti...

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Old Lead Foot wrote:

Bentley wrote: No Regret, it all starts as a simple hobby and then grows exponentially...

Here's my 4-track cassette setup:

Software: Cubase 4, Ableton Live 8, Wavelab, too many plug in's to mention. Mics: AT-4047, At-4033, SM 57x3, EV N/D 868, BLUE Cactus(prototype design), RODE NT2, NT4, NT5, Studio Projects C1.

Yamaha DTX Drums w/ Roland TD-8 module

PAH! cheap rubbish

Great equipment Bentley. A proper studio. Im envious. I loved your music on Community 2. You are truely talented.

Do you have a website of your music? I think it would be great if there was a link on this site for members songs to be heard. Im sure theres more talented guys n girls here.

:evil4:

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EdelBrock wrote:

Gazman wrote:

EdelBrock wrote:

Gazman wrote: Ive done a few home recordings...

..but i dont think the mrs'll be too pleased if i was to let ye's see them :evil4:

No reason to be shy, I think Cambo's seen the donkey show, not sure about Bentley though:wink:

I might show them the one with you in yer gimp suit though :nod:

:laugh:

So going straight for the "best of" in yer collection, eh? I would've expected you to warm up to that one.:laugh:

Dont flatter yerself,that is the warm up :nod: the 'best of' is the one yer chained to the wall,Boy George stylee..:laugh:

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Farrell Hamill wrote: I only lurk here but this is a lovely topic. I run an iMac with the following plugs: Omnisphere RMX Reverence CSR Minimonsta impOSCAr Mtron Pro - buy it, it is wonderful! FM8 Pro5 CS89 Arp2600 Gearbox... And others I can't remember. Mackie 1602 with firewire card SM 57 Oktava 319 Lefty! Variax 500 2X! Ibanez semi-hallow bass when I am feeling "Hooky-ish" I'd recommend Garageband if you are starting out. It is easy to learn and you get pretty quality recordings. I remeber my first New Order show in 1983 St. Andrews Hall in Detroit and was intrigued by all of the gear. It is nice to have some of it in the virtual sense so I don't have to buy 5 of 'em like the Pro5. I do need an Eventide & Bricasti...

Mtron itself gave me ENDLESS grief. So I "procured" a complete set of 'tron tapes in Kontakt format. Bliss. NO other instrument, except possible a Fairlight, creates such presence and emotion just by playing a single note.

So, what's the Oktava like? Are they really "Neumann's for Shure money" as people say? (SoundonSound actually compared one rather favourably with the U87). My environment is far too accoustically messy for a mic of that kind of quality. I usually nick a 451 (or 414, I CAN NEVER remember which is which.....it's not the pencil thin fucker you use for drum overheads), or a D212 from my mate who has cases and cases of mics. Even a C1000 was a disaster in here. I actually need a fairly insensitive cardioid, with massive back rejection so I can, at a push, record in the same room as the PC (usually go to other room though), mate reckons a hypercardioid or shotgun will have a far quieter rear lobe, but I somehow think he's got it backwards (still he's the TV pro and I'm the dabbler). Probably going to settle for a really good USB mic, because I have retited the Behringer and Soundcraft mixers, and thus don't have a half decent preamp to my name (some would say that's been the case since the Soundcraft was taken out, leaving the Behringer, but I didn't think it was too bad, although my ears ARE fucked :D ). I've never really developed a mic obsession, unlike most. My case when still working was a D112, 2x57's, a couple of (Whichever AKG IS the pencil thin overhead job), and then as many 58's as would fit :lol: (the only reason I ever had 2x57's was for bell end drummers who want about 18 mics on the snare....(Leady....this better not mean you mate!) ).

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The Good "Doctor"... First as a lurker I must state that I love your posts- quite witty/cheeky & they show a depth & breadth of knowledge which I fully appreciate. Now on to what you wrote.

In regards to the Oktava- what are they like. I don't have a U87 to compare it to so I can't say. I got 2 of the mics for $100 a few years ago at Guitar Center. They are a nationwide chain in the U.S. I do know that you should ckeck out the below link: http://www.oktavamod.com/ They mod oktava's and I want to mod mine. They get great reviews... see also: gearslutz.com

I really don't know too much about mics. I would like to get a Cascade Fathead ribbon. They seem to be highly touted.

Now on to virtual vinage emulations. I do urge you to get the Mtron Pro. I had a tough time installing it on my Mac. I took it to a U.S. store for them to install it- they had problems too- don't know why. But it now works flawlessly and it is so dang lovely. I don't have a M400 et al to compare but your comment about holding a singular note is so dang true. Hopefully you only use the white keys like the Mancunian's whom we both admire so much. It has a ton of presets that can point you in many directions. It really is amazing. Money well spent.

I forgot to mention also from GForce Virtual String Machine. Again- white keys only and one or two fingers utilized it is sublime. The OMNI & Solina parches are lovely. The OMNI has that 'wheezy' character. Again I don't have and OMNI to A/B but via the presets you have a great start to 'roll your own' if need be. Also ther are some Obie presets that point to the LowLife era also very lovely.

I will probably jam this evening and will write down some other plug-in's that I use- check out AudioDamage Reverence it emulates the LXP1/5 series. I have the LXP 5 and it does a great job emulating it. At $40 it is a great buy. Easy on the CPU too. They are a small company but are very responsive and offer their wares at a very low price imho.
By the way do you have any good New Order MIDI files? I play out live at times and it'd be good fun to drop Temptation, Ceremony, AOC or the Village!

Thanks for the questions- please let me know if you have any more! Take Care, Good Doctor, Farrell...

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I also forgot to mention that the VSM has patches that Barney made. Dave Spiers mentioned it in a email he sent me. They are under I forget specifically the guys name he had an article in SOS doing live preproduction for New Order. So you get a little Barney thrown in two with the VSM.
Cheers, Farrell..

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Gazman wrote:

EdelBrock wrote:

Gazman wrote:

EdelBrock wrote:

Gazman wrote: Ive done a few home recordings...

..but i dont think the mrs'll be too pleased if i was to let ye's see them :evil4:

No reason to be shy, I think Cambo's seen the donkey show, not sure about Bentley though:wink:

I might show them the one with you in yer gimp suit though :nod:

:laugh:

So going straight for the "best of" in yer collection, eh? I would've expected you to warm up to that one.:laugh:

Dont flatter yerself,that is the warm up :nod: the 'best of' is the one yer chained to the wall,Boy George stylee..:laugh:

Yeah, yer wife was a bit wild for that one

How's my son doing anyways? :laugh:

:ignore:

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EdelBrock wrote:

Gazman wrote:

EdelBrock wrote:

Gazman wrote:

EdelBrock wrote:

Gazman wrote: Ive done a few home recordings...

..but i dont think the mrs'll be too pleased if i was to let ye's see them :evil4:

No reason to be shy, I think Cambo's seen the donkey show, not sure about Bentley though:wink:

I might show them the one with you in yer gimp suit though :nod:

:laugh:

So going straight for the "best of" in yer collection, eh? I would've expected you to warm up to that one.:laugh:

Dont flatter yerself,that is the warm up :nod: the 'best of' is the one yer chained to the wall,Boy George stylee..:laugh:

Yeah, yer wife was a bit wild for that one

How's my son doing anyways? :laugh:

:ignore:

He'll be a lot better when ye start paying for him

ya tight fisted cunt :thumb:

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Here's my Gearlist

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Farrell Hamill wrote:

I will probably jam this evening and will write down some other plug-in's that I use- check out AudioDamage Reverence it emulates the LXP1/5 series. I have the LXP 5 and it does a great job emulating it. At $40 it is a great buy. Easy on the CPU too. They are a small company but are very responsive and offer their wares at a very low price imho.

I heart AudioDamage plugs. I mean, their first product was the Ratshack Reverb, a virtual Realistic "Reverb" (actually an analog bucket-brigade delay). That $40 box was my first "mixer" -- you could mix the cassette inputs with the "effected" mic input and track to another cassette. I also love PSP Audioware; they really capture that authentic Polish sound in software. (They've gotten all uppity though and now use iLok protection :thumbdown:.)

I envy you your Oktava mic: I'm nostalgic for Cold-War era gear and can only sate that desire by dropping Sovtek tubes in my ART preamps. I'd have bought one by now, but check oktavausa.com -- you can only find their mics at, like, two dealers in the States, both in central Missouri.

I love cheap stuff. My Radio Shack PZMs are my "secret weapon." Would I trade 'em for a matched pair of Schoeps? Hell yeah... but for the price, they're killer.

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