The Conservative Party

Chris Nash wrote:

Strikes (throughout), Destruction of the coal and steel industries, war and mass murder (1982), selling weapons to Iraq and Afghanistan (1980 - 1997) that are still being used to kill allied troops today, the destruction of the railway infrastructure (throughout), slow deterioration of the NHS (I was working for them at the time), the privatisation and resulting disolvement of many public bodies - PSA, half of the DOE, an eigth of the Treasury Services, foundation for the privatisation of the postal service (heard any complaints about that?) I could go on and on, but seriously, no one in their right blue-rinsed mind could ever vote Conservative.

Hmmm 1980's politics , love it! Lady T did more good for this country than any Labour politician ever has.

I wonder if I could think of anything bad Labour has done in the last 12 years

Oh Lord, the end is truly nigh......and the irony is an awful lot of people seem happy to welcome it with open arms.

Ally wrote: One person won't give a toss either way:

Another fat useless Jock

Chris Nash wrote:

Harping back to the 70s as an example of Labour incompetence is naiive.

I agree, as is harping back to the Eighties.

I suspect the whole drive to this inevitability is a vote for anyone else but the current government, which run out of steam some years ago.

The beauty of politics is, if we don't like change, we can always vote them out. We don't have to keep them in twenty year cycles after all.

I can pinpoint the exact moment i lost any faith in the current government, although it had been dwindling for a long time. October 2003.. was watching Sky News live with coffee, when it was revealed that Dr David Kelly hadnt turned up to give evidence to the Hutton Enquiry...

Lots of panicking people running around, worried looking Labour faces, then of course the announcement two hours later.

Chris Nash wrote: Come on then Burt - who would you vote for? Don't be shy...

I haven't ever used my mandate, and don't see any reason to start in the near future. Politics is a complete farce these days, although i do reckon a bit of freshness in terms of policy, from any realistic contender may well make a difference, albeit temporarily.

I touched on it earlier, but we need to stop giving parties twenty year runs, and change the c___s more often.

Chris Nash wrote: I think that not voting is an awful waste. If one doesn't vote, there's no right to complain about whichever party is in power.

It particularly irks me when women don't vote, especially after what the suffragettes went through. They really did die for their cause.

We need a completely new political option, or we'll end up as bad as the USA and eventually... Italy

Well we perhaps need a new system. Parties are too aligned. I do miss the characters from the 70's and 80's, and the passion from both sides. Was just on MSN, talking about Boris.. not praising him necessarily, but at least he speaks his mind and talks with passion. Probably why he isn't an MP any more lol.

I am concerned we've done this 20 year cycle twice in the last forty years. The 'Italy' situation is not going to happen, but we can swop parties every five, and I wish we did it more.

Chris Nash wrote:

Burt Reynolds wrote: I do miss the characters from the 70's and 80's.

I actually meant the Hattersleys, Howes, Heseltines, Clarks etc of this world. All great public speakers.
it all seems a bit false and faceless now.

Surely you can agree on that one?

Only characters I can see now are Prescott and Ken Clarke. And Mandelson can fuck off despite his impressive recent effort.

set of posh toffs masquerading as "ordianry, decent" folk, struggling though this self-made financial fuck-up. seems increasingly clear we should've let those Del-Boy city chancers jump out of their 20th storey windows rather than bail them out and have BOTH parties pay for it with our money and massive public sector cuts.

on a lighter note, the smug London wankers at this party conference in Manchester look just like the "In The City" tossers who'll be turning up next week, but with better drugs i suspect.

Can't be as bad as the USA. We have the ultra conservative white party and the mild conservative pseudo liberal party. The ultra conservatives only just complain about everything they say the mild party does but the mild party doesn't actually do anything in the first place. Sort of like the chicken or egg question without any chickens. And the nice smart black guy is being called the most horrible person ever because, well just because he has the nerve to be there. The rest of world should be laughing.

Ger Boy wrote:

Ally wrote: One person won't give a toss either way:

Another fat useless Jock

Give him his country back then (oh, and his oil that's the only thing keeping the UK from being a genuine 3rd world country)

0_o wrote: Can't be as bad as the USA. We have the ultra conservative white party and the mild conservative pseudo liberal party. The ultra conservatives only just complain about everything they say the mild party does but the mild party doesn't actually do anything in the first place. Sort of like the chicken or egg question without any chickens. And the nice smart black guy is being called the most horrible person ever because, well just because he has the nerve to be there. The rest of world should be laughing.

ummm.... not really.... but what ever

Let the Brits talk about their politics without us putting ours in... holy sh** what a concept!

Chris Nash wrote: I think that not voting is an awful waste. If one doesn't vote, there's no right to complain about whichever party is in power.

Yes but whoever you vote for.....you are then responsible for every single thing they do.....so anyone voting labour in the last ten years has Iraq and A'stan on their conscience, alon with all of whaqui jacqui's 1984 inspired nonsense of the last couple of years.....plus one Brazillian, executed for looking a bit foreign.

And who would you suggest I vote for, remembering that we're not allowed to vote for the government...should I vote for the party who wants to burn all that filthy fenians, or the one who wants to crucify the dirty huns....what about the party who only deal with women's issues, or the one with the name that sounds WAY to much like the full title of the Nazi party.....well?

I've voted ONCE, in the vote on the good friday agreement, I voted for it, got beaten up by an old school friend for it too. This means I'm responsible for a mass murderer being minister of education, and possibly even for the fact (since there's no way such a thing woulda happened before) that public money is being used to fund terrorist memorials (can you imagine the US taxpayer coughing for a shrine to the brve men who flew the planes into the towers?????????). Actually on the subject of that memorial, I dunno what's worse, the fact that they said it was for the dead of WWI, then put up a stone for each of the major kill-all-fenians terrorist clubs.....or the bare fact that they constantly try to monopolise WWI memorials in every shape, utterly displacing the fact that just as many catholics were left burried in the mud of France during the "big family bust up".

So yeah, I can vote unionist, and know that I support racism, petty thuggery and downright puritan thinking.....or I could vote for the shinners, and feel just fabulous the next time our minister for education orders a nice big bomb in an army barracks or shopping street.

EdelBrock wrote:

Let the Brits talk about their politics without us putting ours in... holy sh** what a concept!

Good job DHS don't monitor the net like the UK home office is gearing up for, otherwise....cuban food for you lad.

There's a useful article in the paper today which argues that the Tories are going to clean up at the election simply because David Cameron is neither (a) as anonymous or (b) as loathed as his predecessors.

Personally I find this unfathomable given that he's transparently a shit-eating, grotesquely overprivileged Public School cunt in the Grand Tory Tradition. But lots of other people think he's OK. Or, at least, not quite as much of a twat as previous Party leaders.

In other words, a truly depressing state of affairs however you look at it.

Click it and weep....

I don't vote but i struggle to see why that excludes me from passing comment on party politics and the way our country is run. Can someone please explain?

The reason I don't vote is that I don't want to legitimate any of them by giving them my endorsement. Why the hell should I put my name beside something or someone I don't believe in?

Can I vote Independant Party? Otherwise ill go Green.

NO Regret wrote: Can I vote Independant Party? Otherwise ill go Green.

...which begs the question: should the illiterate be allowed to vote?

Clayhead Liberation Faction wrote:

NO Regret wrote: Can I vote Independant Party? Otherwise ill go Green.

...which begs the question: should the illiterate be allowed to vote?

Im only independent when theres no one there

GlasVegas wrote: I don't vote but i struggle to see why that excludes me from passing comment on party politics and the way our country is run. Can someone please explain?

The reason I don't vote is that I don't want to legitimate any of them by giving them my endorsement. Why the hell should I put my name beside something or someone I don't believe in?

is this a joke? if not, yes, do please explain, someone. i've tried to do it myself several times now, but i keep losing what i've written when i start banging my head against the keyboard.

El Jarvo wrote:

NO Regret wrote: BNP is a worry. The amount of seats they won on local councils will no doubt carry on to general election. And with so few people showing up at poll stations and showing the same apathy for main parties as I have could mean BNP reaping the rewards. I cant stand the BNP but Blues and Reds need to raise their game to counter them.

Fella, you simply can't say you're not gonna vote, and then say you're worried about the BNP.

If you're not going to vote, then you've got no right to be worried.

As has been said here a billion times before though (er, mainly by Liam) the BNP are simply not a threat in this country. People in kitchen-sink estates vote for them in local elections (and perhaps European elections, which people still see as a bit of a sideshow over here) as a kneejerk reaction to whatever ills are going on in their world. "I've got a shit life, let's blame someone else for it." The overwhelming majority simply aren't gonna vote for 'em when they think their vote actually counts for something - i.e. in a general election. This country's come a long way since the 70's when far-right politics and the boot boys of the NF seemed, dare I say it, quite fashionable.

i think it may be getting trendier.

i'm not wildly worried about the BNP - it's the tories who are keeping me awake at night - but they're definitely making something of a come-back. and if far-right policies are popular they'll get absorbed, to some degree, into the mainstream. like catwalk fashion and high street shops.

last week i was teaching a class of 17 year olds about the third reich, and they couldn't see the link or the problem with our neck of the woods voting in those BNP MEPs. perhaps you don't spend enough time in small northern working-class towns. (well, no, clearly that's a nonsense, it's that i spend far too much time in small northern working-class towns. but you get my point.)

this is an express front page from a couple of weeks ago.

'britain is full up' is a BNP slogan. i don't think the express were being ironic.

bloodynora wrote:

GlasVegas wrote: I don't vote but i struggle to see why that excludes me from passing comment on party politics and the way our country is run. Can someone please explain?

The reason I don't vote is that I don't want to legitimate any of them by giving them my endorsement. Why the hell should I put my name beside something or someone I don't believe in?

is this a joke? if not, yes, do please explain, someone. i've tried to do it myself several times now, but i keep losing what i've written when i start banging my head against the keyboard.

Take a deep breath then dear and try again. I'm curious to know which part of my post is enraging you so much!

This thread is full of the most left wing shite I have ever read.

Teachers & Guardian readers

"Britain is Full Up"??

Worry not: Tracy Emin is fucking off and if Posh (who has clearly not been full up for a while) loses a couple more ounces that'll make room for a few extra as well.....

El Jarvo wrote:

Ger Boy wrote: This thread is full of the most left wing shite I have ever read.

Teachers & Guardian readers

I blame the blacks.

Twat