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Ash clouds from Icelandic volcanos?

Shirely not? They're the spurty lava sort are they not?

I mean there's always some ash, (and I know aircraft engines fuckin hate the stuff, good story of a lady pilot saving a 747 after all 4 choked and died when St Helens blew to mark Ians passing), but they aint the pompei, st helens, red sun for a year, pyroclastic flows for 100 miles, rocks in low orbit sort????

Is this just more pathetic Britain?

BBC have illustrated how bad it is with a library shot of St Helens or Pinatubo, and footage looks kinda like steam more than ash, and not very high (sp?)

Well, all flights from UK suspended from 1pm today. The airline I am "supposed" to be flying with tomorrow are leaving this open until this afternoon, when they will decide whether I finish packing or not!:\ohwell:

See this article....

Let me through - I'm geologist :D .

Can someone send me samples please?

I find it very strange that this morning the news reorted it as a 40-50 mile wide cloud just brishing past the north east coast f scotland, heading for norway, now they show it covering the whole of the UK and most of Europe, but it's not just our airport closed, Norway, Finland and France are closed too.

Amazingly, I just had an Email from Bertel from Ruddinn and Reykjavik airport is open, only flights heading west though, as the volcano is to the east of Reykjavik, the people of Iceland have been told to buy facemasks though as the wind could change direction and the dust is potentially harmful.

Hamburg Airport is starting to struggle now...

Not read the linked article, the glacier appears to be the key though.

Thing I noticed on the news was that the most recent sat pic they had (circa 1500) was titled simply "earlier"...which is a bit odd, and it showed no cloud over the UK, while the weather gimp banged on about how cloud obscured the ash?????????

My other beef is this... since there's no fallout in the UK (I checked) we can assume the ash is maintaining a high altitude, yes? So the airlines could easily fly, lower.....but that costs more fuel money (yes I know it would render long hauls out of range, but for short hauls)....so basically this is "fuck you, we'd rather leave you in the airports than carry out at a reduced profit)....and how come piston aircraft are grounded?

World's full of numpty lightweights....gimme a plane I'LL actually go up and see shall I?

My fave bit of BBC fail today...... Interview with spokesman for NATS....."UK airspace is NOT closed, only the govt. can do that, UK airspace is quite definitely open, we, as ATC are just not accepting any aircraft into our sector"....BBC banner AND crawler..."UK AIRSPACE CLOSED" ROFLMAO.

Doctor? wrote: Not read the linked article

I'm glad I took the trouble to post it then...

"Dr Rothery added that we may have a "spectacularly red sunset" on Thursday evening"

Where? it looks pretty much normal if not slightly duller than usual!, I bet it looks nice in iceland though!

I hope Bertel doesn't mind me posting this, but this is a photo he took last week of the volcano after the eruption a couple of weeks ago.

Doctor? wrote: Not read the linked article, the glacier appears to be the key though.

Thing I noticed on the news was that the most recent sat pic they had (circa 1500) was titled simply "earlier"...which is a bit odd, and it showed no cloud over the UK, while the weather gimp banged on about how cloud obscured the ash?????????

My other beef is this... since there's no fallout in the UK (I checked) we can assume the ash is maintaining a high altitude, yes? So the airlines could easily fly, lower.....but that costs more fuel money (yes I know it would render long hauls out of range, but for short hauls)....so basically this is "fuck you, we'd rather leave you in the airports than carry out at a reduced profit)....and how come piston aircraft are grounded?

World's full of numpty lightweights....gimme a plane I'LL actually go up and see shall I?

My fave bit of BBC fail today...... Interview with spokesman for NATS....."UK airspace is NOT closed, only the govt. can do that, UK airspace is quite definitely open, we, as ATC are just not accepting any aircraft into our sector"....BBC banner AND crawler..."UK AIRSPACE CLOSED" ROFLMAO.

Is this your attempt to be Norn Iron's Jeremy Clarkson?

Iceland is an area of continental rifting (the continent is ripping apart). Most lava that flows out of the rift areas has low viscosity due to the divergent boundary. However the ash is most likely the culprit of a cinder cone volcano, which riddle Iceland. This is where lava finds a weak spot in the continental crust, and blows out. The lava melts the surrounding granite, and makes the lava highly viscous, and more explosive. Once this happens the cinder cone goes dormant, as they rarely erupt twice.

James Thomas wrote:

Doctor? wrote: Not read the linked article, the glacier appears to be the key though.

Thing I noticed on the news was that the most recent sat pic they had (circa 1500) was titled simply "earlier"...which is a bit odd, and it showed no cloud over the UK, while the weather gimp banged on about how cloud obscured the ash?????????

My other beef is this... since there's no fallout in the UK (I checked) we can assume the ash is maintaining a high altitude, yes? So the airlines could easily fly, lower.....but that costs more fuel money (yes I know it would render long hauls out of range, but for short hauls)....so basically this is "fuck you, we'd rather leave you in the airports than carry out at a reduced profit)....and how come piston aircraft are grounded?

World's full of numpty lightweights....gimme a plane I'LL actually go up and see shall I?

My fave bit of BBC fail today...... Interview with spokesman for NATS....."UK airspace is NOT closed, only the govt. can do that, UK airspace is quite definitely open, we, as ATC are just not accepting any aircraft into our sector"....BBC banner AND crawler..."UK AIRSPACE CLOSED" ROFLMAO.

Is this your attempt to be Norn Iron's Jeremy Clarkson?

Clarkson is a pinko!

Nick King wrote:

Doctor? wrote: Not read the linked article

I'm glad I took the trouble to post it then...

Should have said "yet", did in fact read it after.

ummm... yer welcome Cambo.

EdelBrock wrote: ummm... yer welcome Cambo.

Sorry :(

Actually though, this is a serial eruptor, that's not to say it's not a hotspot that erupts in a slightly different place each time. The rest of what you said, I more or less knew.....I was just confused because as I understood it, it's the wind-up and blow-up sort like St. Helens that are the real ash-monsters. Though it would appear that lava coming in contact with ice pretty much explodes into ash instantaneously.

Still think they're pussying out a little though, as I understand things, when planes have been downed, or nearly downed though ash, it's not been so tenuous as to not affect the sunset, they've been flying into big scary clouds of darkness.

Apparently the last time this fooker kicked off it took a year to shut up again.

LOL @ teams trying to get back from Shanghai.

When I first heard the news, I assumed it was a cinder cone, similar to the Surtsey Volcano in Iceland. A volcano that became a new island within 4 years.

There are the other events, which I guess this one is, which is the low viscosity lava erupts and flows from under a glacier. I knew this stuff was lethal to local areas, but didn't think the ash plume would reach such an extensive height as thing has.

Like I said, not even an iffy sunset.

BTW....what do you make of The Pacific....I thought it was meant to be "Band of Brothers", but it's a lot more "From Here to Eternity". Then again, the audience would kill themselves if it was as hard hitting as BoB, cos I don't to tell you, the Pacific campaign was fucking ugly. USMC do come over a bit touchy feely in it though, rather than bionic bastards.

Quite possibly summer will be cool and wet in N. Europe.

Doctor? wrote: Like I said, not even an iffy sunset.

BTW....what do you make of The Pacific....I thought it was meant to be "Band of Brothers", but it's a lot more "From Here to Eternity". Then again, the audience would kill themselves if it was as hard hitting as BoB, cos I don't to tell you, the Pacific campaign was fucking ugly. USMC do come over a bit touchy feely in it though, rather than bionic bastards.

I've only watched the first three episodes, the rest are waiting on the DVR. First, I think they are trying to fit too many campaigns in a very short series. Guadalcanal was more than just two nights of attacks, as shown in the series. Each one of these battles could be its own series... so I think for brevities sake, the show seems a bit missing of action and the reality of the brutality of it all. As for the Marines themselves, seems pretty reasonable. BoB allowed for a better attachment to the characters, with a better character build up... Pacific is hurting as I don't really feel close to any of these characters, other than say Basilone.
It does seem that the show was made for Marines, rather than the general public. At least that's how it comes off, since they show Chesty Puller all the time, but really don't go into his importance to the Corps (for a Marine, he's close on par with a godly level).