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Check out what Dubya Bush has said the past couple years. What an idiot. His administration WILL start world war 3 if they attack Iraq and you Brits will be f@#ked as well if Blair keeps shoving his head up Bush's ass. Luckily, Canada is only a couple hours from here.

Let's set up a motorcade to slowly move through downtown Dallas...picnic on the grassy knoll?

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Come on now, Bacon Lettuce Tomato....

You actually had the golf balls to quote Slate?!?!? Goodness gracious, even the most ardent opponent of the Bush administration knows that liberal hate rag has NO credibility. I imagine that if one were to do a LexisNexis search on any number of Clintonistas, you could pull some very "interesting" quotes out of context.

You must be new to the culture wars.........

P.S.

Way to wish death on the leader of your country. Nice going.............

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:clap: :lol: :clap:

Poor ole Dubya! I thought you lot over there had it bad with Ronnie Reagan, this guy is even funnier:evil4:

Still not a patch on Prince Phillip over here though.....but then again, he hasnae got his hand on a nuclear weapon! (no knob jokes please:D )

Here's some of the best one's :lol:

The president's accidental wit and wisdom.

"See, we love—we love freedom. That's what they didn't understand. They hate things; we love things. They act out of hatred; we don't seek revenge, we seek justice out of love."—Oklahoma City, Aug. 29, 2002

"There's no cave deep enough for America, or dark enough to hide."—Oklahoma City, Aug. 29, 2002 (Thanks to Michael Shively.)

"President Musharraf, he's still tight with us on the war against terror, and that's what I appreciate. He's a—he understands that we've got to keep al-Qaida on the run, and that by keeping him on the run, it's more likely we will bring him to justice."—Ruch, Ore., Aug. 22, 2002 (Thanks to Scott Miller.)

"I'm a patient man. And when I say I'm a patient man, I mean I'm a patient man."

"Nothing he [Saddam Hussein] has done has convinced me—I'm confident the Secretary of Defense—that he is the kind of fellow that is willing to forgo weapons of mass destruction, is willing to be a peaceful neighbor, that is—will honor the people—the Iraqi people of all stripes, will—values human life. He hasn't convinced me, nor has he convinced my administration."—Crawford, Texas, Aug. 21, 2002

"I'm thrilled to be here in the bread basket of America because it gives me a chance to remind our fellow citizens that we have an advantage here in America—we can feed ourselves."—Stockton, Calif., Aug. 23, 2002 (Thanks to Christopher Baird.)

"There's no bigger task than protecting the homeland of our country."

"The federal government and the state government must not fear programs who change lives, but must welcome those faith-based programs for the embetterment of mankind."—Stockton, Calif., Aug. 23, 2002 (Thanks to George Dupper.)

"I love the idea of a school in which people come to get educated and stay in the state in which they're educated."

"There may be some tough times here in America. But this country has gone through tough times before, and we're going to do it again."

"I promise you I will listen to what has been said here, even though I wasn't here."

"I can assure you that, even though I won't be sitting through every single moment of the seminars, nor will the vice president, we will look at the summaries."

"Tommy [Thompson, Health and Human Services secretary,] is a good listener, and he's a pretty good actor, too."

"The trial lawyers are very politically powerful. … But here in Texas we took them on and got some good medical—medical malpractice.""I firmly believe the death tax is good for people from all walks of life all throughout our society."

—Waco, Texas, Aug. 13, 2002

"There was no malfeance involved. This was an honest disagreement about accounting procedures. ... There was no malfeance, no attempt to hide anything."—White House press conference, Washington, D.C., July 8, 2002

"I also understand how tender the free enterprise system can be."—White House press conference, Washington, D.C., July 9, 2002

"Over 75 percent of white Americans own their home, and less than 50 percent of Hispanos and African Americans don't own their home. And that's a gap, that's a homeownership gap. And we've got to do something about it."—Cleveland, Ohio, July 1, 2002

"Whether you're here by birth, or whether you're in America by choice, you contribute to the vitality of our life. And for that, we are grateful."—Washington, D.C., May 17, 2002

"I'd rather have them sacrificing on behalf of our nation than, you know, endless hours of testimony on congressional hill."—National Security Agency, Fort Meade, Maryland, June 4, 2002

"We're working with Chancellor Schröder on what's called 10-plus-10-over-10: $10 billion from the U.S.,$10 billion from other members of the G7 over a 10-year period, to help Russia securitize the dismantling—the dismantled nuclear warheads."—Berlin, Germany, May 23, 2002

"Do you have blacks, too?"—To Brazilian President Fernando Cardoso, Washington, D.C., Nov. 8, 2001

"This is a nation that loves our freedom, loves our country."—Washington, D.C, May 17, 2002

"The public education system in America is one of the most important foundations of our democracy. After all, it is where children from all over America learn to be responsible citizens, and learn to have the skills necessary to take advantage of our fantastic opportunistic society."—Santa Clara, Calif., May 1, 2002

"After all, a week ago, there were—Yasser Arafat was boarded up in his building in Ramallah, a building full of, evidently, German peace protestors and all kinds of people. They're now out. He's now free to show leadership, to lead the world."—Washington, D.C., May 2, 2002 (Thanks to M. Bateman.)

"This foreign policy stuff is a little frustrating."—as quoted by the New York Daily News, April 23, 2002

"I want to thank the dozens of welfare to work stories, the actual examples of people who made the firm and solemn commitment to work hard to embetter themselves."—Washington, D.C., April 18, 2002 (Thanks to George Dupper.)

"And so, in my State of the—my State of the Union—or state—my speech to the nation, whatever you want to call it, speech to the nation—I asked Americans to give 4,000 years—4,000 hours over the next—the rest of your life—of service to America. That's what I asked—4,000 hours." —Bridgeport, Conn., April 9, 2002

"It would be a mistake for the United States Senate to allow any kind of human cloning to come out of that chamber."—Washington, D.C., April 10, 2002

"For a century and a half now, America and Japan have formed one of the great and enduring alliances of modern times."—Tokyo, Japan, Feb. 18, 2002

"We've tripled the amount of money—I believe it's from $50 million up to $195 million available."—Lima, Peru, March 23, 2002

"We've got pockets of persistent poverty in our society, which I refuse to declare defeat—I mean, I refuse to allow them to continue on. And so one of the things that we're trying to do is to encourage a faith-based initiative to spread its wings all across America, to be able to capture this great compassionate spirit."—O'Fallon, Mo., Mar. 18, 2002

"There's nothing more deep than recognizing Israel's right to exist. That's the most deep thought of all. ... I can't think of anything more deep than that right."—Washington, D.C., March 13, 2002

"I understand that the unrest in the Middle East creates unrest throughout the region."—Washington, D.C., March 13, 2002

"The suicide bombings have increased. There's too many of them."—Albuquerque, N.M., Aug. 15, 2001

"Brie and cheese."—Taunting a reporter who recently spent time on the West Coast, Crawford, Texas, Aug. 23, 2001

"You'll hear people say it's racist to test. Folks, it's racist not to test. Because guess who gets shuffled through the system oftentimes? Children whose parents don't speak English as a first language, inner-city kids. It's so much easier to quit on somebody than to remediate."—Referring to his education bill, Independence, Mo., Aug. 21, 2001 (Thanks to Julie Reagan.)

"One of the interesting initiatives we've taken in Washington, D.C., is we've got these vampire-busting devices. A vampire is a—a cell deal you can plug in the wall to charge your cell phone."—Denver, Aug. 14, 2001

"There's a lot of people in the Middle East who are desirous to get into the Mitchell process. And—but first things first. The—these terrorist acts and, you know, the responses have got to end in order for us to get the framework—the groundwork—not framework, the groundwork to discuss a framework for peace, to lay the—all right."—Referring to former Sen. George Mitchell's report on Middle East peace, Crawford, Texas, Aug. 13, 2001 (Thanks to Michael Shively.)

"My administration has been calling upon all the leaders in the—in the Middle East to do everything they can to stop the violence, to tell the different parties involved that peace will never happen."—Crawford, Texas, Aug, 13, 2001 (Thanks to Michael Shively.)

"You saw the president yesterday. I thought he was very forward-leaning, as they say in diplomatic nuanced circles."—Referring to his meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin, Rome, July 23, 2001 (Thanks to Alex Hernandez.)

'I know what I believe. I will continue to articulate what I believe and what I believe—I believe what I believe is right."—Rome, July 22, 2001

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Fabulous list, but might I add one of my favourites, his comments on America's gun culture:

"For every fatal shooting there were roughly three non-fatal shootings. And folks, this is unacceptable in America."

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Originally posted by Graeme Fabulous list, but might I add one of my favourites, his comments on America's gun culture:"For every fatal shooting there were roughly three non-fatalshootings. And folks, this is unacceptable in America."

ahhh...we shall practice our marksmanship so that more shootings are fatal...for our beloved president!!!!

:cowboy:

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In the interest of equal time and balance, I thought I'd share some choice tidbits with y'all relating to the person who almost stole an election: algore.

So, strap yourselves in for laugh-a-minute comedy.

Mammogram...sonogram...honey graham...

At an event in Las Vegas on Monday, 09/1800, Gore declared potential breast cancer victims faced "a long waiting line before they could get a biopsy or, uh, or a uh, another kind of, what am I looking for, a sonogram or...." People in the crowd shouted "mammogram." (Source: Fox News 09/18/00; MSNBC 09/21/00 - The News with Brian Williams) "Had that happened to Bush the news media would have used it to further the theme that the Texas Governor has a troubled relationship with the English language." - Brian Williams 09/21/00

Equal...if not more so?

"When my sister and I were growing up," Mr. Gore told a small audience made up mostly of women, "there was never any doubt in our minds that men and women were equal, if not more so." (Source: NY Times, 08/12/00) Equal - if not more so? More so what? More "equal"? Who is more so? If two things are equal, what is the "more so" for?

I was part of those discussions! Really!

At a Sept. 22 press conference, Gore stated "I've been a part of the discussions on the strategic reserve since the days when it was first established." However, President Ford established the Strategic Petroleum Reserves when he signed the Energy Policy and Conservation Act (EPCA) on December 22, 1975 — two years before Al Gore became a congressman (Source: Washington Post, Sept. 24 2000) (note: it was actually 13 months, not 2 years as the Post states) Now, technically, 1975 was when it was declared U.S. policy to establish a reserve, but the reserve was not established (sites purchased or built, etc) until 1977, when Gore was in Congress. However, isn't this yet another case of "fuzzy wording"? Gore phrases the initial statement to give the impression that he was somehow responsible or "part of something" from the outset, but leaves wiggle room so that he can later justify the statement. And isn't saying he was part of "discussions on the strategic reserve" meant to leave the impression that he was was part of the planning process, prior to the sites being purchased, etc? Decide for yourself.

Let's play "Insult the Host"

Gore sometimes shows publicly that he lacks Clinton's finesse. Take a reception in Los Angeles last month. It was Gore's moment to shine before donors who ponied up $2.8 million. But he wound up egg-faced when he compared electing a Republican as president to rejecting an Oscar-winning team in favor of the producers of the Hollywood clunker 'Howard the Duck.' One of the evening's hosts, Jeffrey Katzenberg, was a driving force behind 'Howard the Duck.' The crowd tittered. (Source: USA Today, May 8, 2000 )

Hey! It's Super Tuesday... oh wait...

Several Tennesseans tried to cast votes in the presidential primary, thinking that their state was part of Super Tuesday. They weren't alone. Vice President Al Gore seemed to think so, too. Knox County registrar Pat Crippens said, "I just got off the phone with a gentleman. I had to explain we're not Super Tuesday, we're just next Tuesday." His office got about 30 calls from confused voters. In 1988, Tennessee and 12 other Southern states decided to hold their presidential primaries on the second Tuesday of March, dubbing it "Super Tuesday" in hopes of gaining national political clout. Several Northern states also held their primaries that day. More than a dozen states have since moved their primaries to the first Tuesday of the month, creating a new "Super Tuesday." Tennessee - the vice president's home state - is among six that have stuck with March 14. As reporters and photographers watched from the lobby of his Nashville headquarters on Tuesday, Gore called a "Miss Ferris" and told her, "Today is the presidential primary in Tennessee ." His expression changed as he listened to her. "Well, you know, that is right. You are absolutely right," he said before hanging up and quickly dialing the next number on his voter call list. (Source: Houston Chronicle 3/8/2000 by Houston Chronicle News Services)

A spotted Zebra.

"A zebra does not change its spots." - Al Gore, attacking President George Bush in 1992. (Sources: The Toronto Sun, 11/19/95; May 13th page of the "365 stupidest things ever said, 1999 Calendar." ALL quotes from this calendar are from a book called "The 700 Stupidest Things Ever Said") The book and calendar are by a brother and sister team called Ross and Kathryn Petras. The original book "The 776 Stupidest things ever said" was printed in March 1993, and the calendar was printed August 1998.)

Michael who?

Maybe Michael Jordan hasn't made an indelible impression on everyone outside Chicago. Speaking at a D.C. function, Vice President Al Gore, wowed by the Bulls, said: "I tell you that Michael Jackson is unbelievable, isn't he. He's just unbelievable." ( Source: The Chicago Tribune June 17, 1998 )

The earth is upside down!

In the spring 1998 - Gore called The Washington Post's executive editor to tip him off on an 'error' in the paper. 'I decided I just had to call because you've printed a picture of the Earth upside down on the front page of the paper,' Gore said. (Source: Florida Times Union 4/3/98 ) There is no 'up' in space; only on maps that orient the Earth's surface north and south. For more examples of Al Gore's vast knowledge of space, take a look at the Florida Times Union article

Left-wing idiot.

Back in 1994, Al Gore called Oliver North "the colonel of untruth" and said Mr. North was counting on political contributions from "the extra-chromosome right wing." (Sources: White House Special Briefing, 10/28/94; Washington Times, September 4, 1997 ) AL APOLOGIZES: Vice President Al Gore sent out a letter apologizing for his embarrassing "extra chromosome" jibe at Oliver North supporters, saying he had "learned an important lession [sic]." (Source: National Review, December 31, 1994.)

Gore Loves Courtney Love.

Finding himself talking to the controversial rock star Courtney Love at a Hollywood party, Mr. Gore attempted to charm her by telling her he was a fan. Rather than just accepting the easy compliment, Love cross-examined him. "He goes 'I'm a really big fan'," said Love. "And I was like 'Yeah, right. Name a song, Al'." The answer came limply back: "I can't name a song, I'm just a really big fan." Mr. Gore and his wife, Tipper, were the driving forces behind the campaign to make record companies put stickers on records that contained lyrics with sexually explicit content. (Sources: The [London] Times, 10/1/98; Courtney Love recounted this event on the May 20, 1999 Late Show with David Letterman )

Oh, my. algore just can't help himself. He was born with a silver foot in his mouth. :laugh:

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It's interesting to note that only one of the Bush quotes listed above is sourced to a news organization. The rest are from individuals who may or may not have an axe to grind with the President.

Hmmmmmm.

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i wouldn't expect anything less from a truck driving texan Michael. keep voting republican and keep humming Proud to Be an American....Our country is great and everyone else in the world wishes they were american so they can live in a free country...we are the envy of the world! it's great to be american! where at least i know i'm free.....

ps. which side of your truck is your american flag sticker? back window or bumper?

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Cha-ching!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We have a winner! The one to show himself as the intolerant antithisis of egalitarianism is the.....leftist guerrilla from Seattle!?!?!?!?!?! NO WAY!

"....truck driving Texan..." That's nice. Where's my flag? It's just below my Life Member (University Of Texas) sticker and to the right of my Sports Car Club of America sticker.

Maybe you could explain to the class why that's a bad thing.

Have a great day in the Emerald City!

Your internet pal,

Michael

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At least for once, it's two americans debating about their country, not everyone else picking at them :D

There were so many jokes on GW Bush when he became president, he wasn't aware that Canada is the #1 economical partner of the USA and he didn't know the name of Canada's Prime Minister (who will fortunatly retire soon), he was even said by a journalist "have you talked to prime minister Jones" (Jones wasn't the name, but i have no idea) and he said "yes".. so you see :D

Many people told us that he didn't quit the US often before becoming president.

So all that together doesn't give you a good opinion of the US foreing policies...!

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Originally posted by Spotnick At least for once, it's two americans debating about their country, not everyone else picking at them :DThere were so many jokes on GW Bush when he became president, he wasn't aware that Canada is the #1 economical partner of the USA and he didn't know the name of Canada's Prime Minister (who will fortunatly retire soon), he was even said by a journalist "have you talked to prime minister Jones" (Jones wasn't the name, but i have no idea) and he said "yes".. so you see :DMany people told us that he didn't quit the US often before becoming president.So all that together doesn't give you a good opinion of the US foreing policies...!

Put us out of our misery Nick,

who is the Prime Minister of Canada :scratch:

The only one i can remember is Treadeau (?) with the 'racy' wife

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You don't wanna know...!

Trust me.

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Here's another Bushism, from the campaign trail 2000, it was on NBC News if you want the transcript:

"People seem to think Social Security is for retirement, but it's not."

As my grandpa and I both said at the time, "Dumbass!" :confused:

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Originally posted by Spotnick You don't wanna know...!Trust me.

everyone should know who our prime minister is, nic. jean chritien(is that how you spell it?)

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Originally posted by snucker > Originally posted by Spotnick> You don't wanna know...!> > Trust me.

everyone should know who our prime minister is, nic. jean chritien(is that how you spell it?)

I should say Jean Crétin...:lol: And for Trudeau, thank God, the b****** is dead. :clap:

Sorry for that never wiched somebody was dead before.:shrug:

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Jean Chrétien...

Ugly and stupid if you ask me, we'll have Paul Martin in 16 months or so, but still.

Funny, when you think about it, when's the last time an english-canadian was prime minister for a long time (that excludes Joe Clark).. ? Gee, I wasn't borned!

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(that excludes Joe Clark)..

And Kim Campbel

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Spotty,

Yes, it's true that President Bush had not traveled beyond North America all that often before taking office. However, President Bush (or any other president for that matter) does not make foreign policy out of whole cloth all by himself. That's what former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and current SecState Colin Powell and National Security Advisor Condileeza Rice et al are for.

I realize that it's PC to hate on President Bush, but at least be fair and intellectually honest.

P.S.

Funny how Bacon Lettuce Tomato doesn't seem to like responding to questions posed to him.............. :laugh:

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I read Michael Moore's book on holiday (can't remember the name, my mate brought it). Funny as hell and quite insightful, especially the bits on GW Bush. It's sometimes easy to forget that there's an informed, liberal intellectual class over there. If you're in any doubt that there is buy the book.

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intellectuals? over here? Can't say that I've run into them! :p

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Grahame,

Yes, Mr. Moore is somewhat of a folk hero to the radical left wing in this country. He's done well for a college drop-out (which, by the way, enriches his cult of personality within the ranks of the radical left. See ,a man - President Bush - who earns degrees from Yale AND Harvard is considered "stupid" because he doesn't subscribe to the proper dialectic) .

His platform for stardom was his documentary, "Roger and Me". It was about his quest to interview the former chairman of General Motors. He wanted to ask him, based on GM's profits, why he was closing so many plants. It was very interesting.

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Originally posted by Michael McDermott Grahame,Yes, Mr. Moore is somewhat of a folk hero to the radical left wing in this country. He's done well for a college drop-out (which, by the way, enriches his cult of personality within the ranks of the radical left. See ,a man - President Bush - who earns degrees from Yale AND Harvard is considered "stupid" because he doesn't subscribe to the proper dialectic) .His platform for stardom was his documentary, "Roger and Me". It was about his quest to interview the former chairman of General Motors. He wanted to ask him, based on GM's profits, why he was closing so many plants. It was very interesting.

Man you remind me of my neighbour dude, you:square:

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Michael, I have enough on my hands with my ultra-conservative family so pardon me if I don't have time to respond to all yelps from the right wing. Politics and politicians make me sick as a whole with no side being 100% right or wrong and everyone looking out for their own agenda. Music is my passion and i will debate a good music related topic until the cows come home. I left Louisiana so I wouldn't have to listen to people like you talk shit about how great Bush (41) is and how awful Clinton is/was.

Brian DONT FENCE ME IN Geaux

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Originally posted by Grahame Ferguson I read Michael Moore's book on holiday (can't remember the name, my mate brought it). Funny as hell and quite insightful, especially the bits on GW Bush. It's sometimes easy to forget that there's an informed, liberal intellectual class over there. If you're in any doubt that there is buy the book.

Was it Stupid White Men and Other Sorry Excuses for The State Of The Nation !! (i bought it thinking it would explain the reasoning for SOTN on the end of brudderhood)

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Chet,

Uummmmm............thanks?

Michael

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Brian,

I agree with your assessment of most politicos and their parties. Obviously, you and I are diametrically opposed to each other in our beliefs. However, that does not preclude us from being civil.

Peace to you,

Michael

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As the media trys to classify things, you either are thrown in with the left or right wing fringe of politics these days, with no room for a middle ground. It's a shame that, in a nation supposedly tolerant of differing views, the minute one side gets in power it defines what is acceptable, and all who differ are somehow "misguided". At any rate, I look at it this way: The last two decent men from both the Republican and Democratic parties were both killed by an oddjob (one in a theater in Washington, DC, the other in a soup kitchen in LA) are long since gone, and we're left with the partisan residue. Of course, that's just my opinion......

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When Dubya walked into the office, it took him only a few weeks to put the world community against him -- I'm thinking of the fact he ripped off the Kyoto Accord for instance -- and 3 months after, after the plane spying on China incident, I told one of my friends: "this idiot is gonna start World War III", so in that respect, September 11th wasn't a surprise.

I think Bush is a dangerous man which is surrounded by dangerous people.

Among them, Donald Rumsfeld may be the most dangerous. This is a maniac.

I still can't believe your Nation elected these people...

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The Kyoto Accord was and is a joke. He's done his job as the leader of a sovereign nation to protect that country's interests.

It's the same song, different verse. We (The United States) should forgive all Third World debt and EXCLUDE them from most covenants of ANY pollution reduction agreement. All this while we (The United States) should be forced to suffer under the most stringent of regulations.

Just a tiny point of irony: then Vice President Al Gore and his entourage burned over FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND PUONDS of jet fuel on his round trip to Kyoto.

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Originally posted by Michael McDermott The Kyoto Accord was and is a joke. He's done his job as the leader of a sovereign nation to protect that country's interests.It's the same song, different verse. We (The United States) should forgive all Third World debt and EXCLUDE them from most covenants of ANY pollution reduction agreement. All this while we (The United States) should be forced to suffer under the most stringent of regulations.Just a tiny point of irony: then Vice President Al Gore and his entourage burned over FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND PUONDS of jet fuel on his round trip to Kyoto.

"..forgive all third world debt..". Forgive!!!!!!! Third world debt is a direct cause of imperialist planet-raping US/Capitalist West foreign economic policy. Not the time to get into the intricacies of this but anyone with even a limited grasp of global economics knows this to be the case.

And you think that we need to "forgive" them! Christ, you people really do exist.

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