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After much consoltation with my campaign manager (David Lee Roth) and my spouse (Charro), I have decided once again to withdraw my name from the recall election, as I fear my past as an ex-CIA bananna salesman in the Philippines might come back to haunt me. :(

Originally posted by Gnu Odor I apologize sincerely for my outburst earlier, which came at the end of a day which included walking up to my house after work to find my children crying in the front yard and and ambulance parked out front. You know what they say about comedy and timing, right?Again, sorry. Now back to the program already in progress.> Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope> Reagan was an ass. The Berlin Wall fell because the Soviets were willing to loosen up, not because the Gip was threatening them with "Evil Empire" status (thus bringing Christian morality into the realm of politics).

I enjoy your posts, David, but if you're going to quote passages directly from you American public high school textbook, at the very least use quotation marks.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm afraid that was all me. I'm sure I've read it somewhere long ago, but I've read nothing recently inolving Reagan and there was nothing sitting in front of me when I wrote it. And while I'm on the subject, if I were a typical American public high school student I would need a textbook just to know who Ronald Reagan was.

Originally posted by Taboo # 7 After much consoltation with my campaign manager (David Lee Roth) and my spouse (Charro), I have decided once again to withdraw my name from the recall election, as I fear my past as an ex-CIA bananna salesman in the Philippines might come back to haunt me. :(

I'm sorry to bring it to you this way, but I've sleeping with Charro for six months now, that's why she has always been leaving her Arizona home to drive to California every weekend, also the van Halens were planning to fire bomb your house earlier, but Sammy Hagar prevented this tragedy with some of his homemade tequila. Finally Imelda Marcos wants the shoes you took from her (you perfectly know which pair)

Originally posted by Tristan Jayol > Originally posted by Taboo # 7> After much consoltation with my campaign manager (David Lee Roth) and my spouse (Charro), I have decided once again to withdraw my name from the recall election, as I fear my past as an ex-CIA bananna salesman in the Philippines might come back to haunt me. :(

I'm sorry to bring it to you this way, but I've sleeping with Charro for six months now, that's why she has always been leaving her Arizona home to drive to California every weekend, also the van Halens were planning to fire bomb your house earlier, but Sammy Hagar prevented this tragedy with some of his homemade tequila. Finally Imelda Marcos wants the shoes you took from her (you perfectly know which pair)

I spoke too soon!...The National Midget-Tossers Union has thrown their weight behind me (no pun intended). Seeing as N.M.T.U. are the most powerful midget-tossing union in California, I can expect a lot of badgering and vote-buying on my behalf, so I'm back in.

My new campaign slogan: "Get Kids Hooked on Drugs, not Phonics!"

Originally posted by Taboo # 7 > Originally posted by Tristan Jayol> > > > Originally posted by Taboo # 7> > After much consoltation with my campaign manager (David Lee Roth) and my spouse (Charro), I have decided once again to withdraw my name from the recall election, as I fear my past as an ex-CIA bananna salesman in the Philippines might come back to haunt me. :(>

I'm sorry to bring it to you this way, but I've sleeping with Charro for six months now, that's why she has always been leaving her Arizona home to drive to California every weekend, also the van Halens were planning to fire bomb your house earlier, but Sammy Hagar prevented this tragedy with some of his homemade tequila. Finally Imelda Marcos wants the shoes you took from her (you perfectly know which pair)

I spoke too soon!...The National Midget-Tossers Union has thrown their weight behind me (no pun intended). Seeing as N.M.T.U. are the most powerful midget-tossing union in California, I can expect a lot of badgering and vote-buying on my behalf, so I'm back in.

My new campaign slogan: "Get Kids Hooked on Drugs, not Phonics!" If the state would legalize marijuana and tax the hell out of it, y not?

but marijuana isn't a chemically addictive substance...

Originally posted by Tristan Jayol I'm so proud of my state of California, the only qualified candidate dropping out (Feinstein), Coleman, Flynt, a porn star, Huffington v. Huffington, Davis, Issa whom everyone has already forgotten, Bill Simon, maybe Riordan, and my choice Arnold Schwarzenegger; to me this seems like a weird episode of Hollywood Squares

Best moment of the campaign so far: That chump Issa breaking down in tears as he announced he would not be running. Another SoCal millionaire thinking he can buy his way into office. And he got blown out of the water. And cried about it, on camera. Chump.

Love it

CALIFORNIA, UBER ALLES!!!!!!!!!!

WTF is going on there??? Did someone from Florida bribe the California???

Personally, I hope Gray out loses so badly he considers suicide. Well, not that extreme.

As for the Berlin Wall, El Gipper initiated the arms race that bankrupted the USSR. He stood up to the Commie bastards and and reversed the US image of being a bunch of pussies. I remember this quite clearly. i protested him when I was a young college student. My SS card (social security) says "Contras suck".

But in retrospect, Democrats tend to fuck things up. Clinton spent his two terms covering up his penis stains and the money his wife stole. BTW, Hillary has a penis.

So Gray Davis cannot keep the power on and social welfare hand outs running at all time highs. Yep, as a land owner I too would boot his ass out of office. recalls should occur more often.

people get the government they deserve. They have the right to recall them. Assasination is how they do it overseas.

Originally posted by twist So Gray Davis cannot keep the power on and social welfare hand outs running at all time highs. Yep, as a land owner I too would boot his ass out of office. recalls should occur more often.people get the government they deserve. They have the right to recall them.

Gray Davis can't keep the power on because the California Legislature, which was controlled by the Republican party, passed an energy deregulation bill, which led directly and almost immediately to California's energy crisis.

Therefore, if California's energy crisis is a legitimate campaign issue, the Republicans in the Legislature who voted for deregulation are the ones who should be up for recall, not Davis, who wasn't even in office when the deregulation bill was passed.

Personally, of the 87 front runners in the recall campaign, I kinda like this Dave Grayvis guy who's running.

Originally posted by bLuE oRdEr > Originally posted by twist> So Gray Davis cannot keep the power on and social welfare hand outs running at all time highs. Yep, as a land owner I too would boot his ass out of office. recalls should occur more often.> > people get the government they deserve. They have the right to recall them.

Gray Davis can't keep the power on because the California Legislature, which was controlled by the Republican party, passed an energy deregulation bill, which led directly and almost immediately to California's energy crisis.

Therefore, if California's energy crisis is a legitimate campaign issue, the Republicans in the Legislature who voted for deregulation are the ones who should be up for recall, not Davis, who wasn't even in office when the deregulation bill was passed.

Personally, of the 87 front runners in the recall campaign, I kinda like this Dave Grayvis guy who's running.

The power deregulation bill did not work for the sole reason for the lack of new power plants (forcing the lack of competition and allowed for price gouging) built largely due to unnecessary environmental concerns. So liberal stubbornness prevented the Republican bill to function as predicted

And they didn't know this when they made their "predictions"? What a bunch of morons.

Originally posted by bLuE oRdEr And they didn't know this when they made their "predictions"? What a bunch of morons.

how should someone know that Californians prefer clean deserts and empty land instead of having power to their appliances

Are you suggesting that the Republicans who rammed that bill through had no idea how many power plants California had AT THE TIME THAT THEY WROTE THE BILL? Or how many power plants California would need to make deregulation work? If so, what a bunch of morons.

BTW, I'm just going with your line of reasoning here. I really think your environmental argument is a red herring. It totally ignores that actual facts of what happened.

And it totally ignores the fact that at least some Republicans are blaming Gray Davis for the energy crisis.

Originally posted by bLuE oRdEr Are you suggesting that the Republicans who rammed that bill through had no idea how many power plants California had AT THE TIME THAT THEY WROTE THE BILL? Or how many power plants California would need to make deregulation work? If so, what a bunch of morons.BTW, I'm just going with your line of reasoning here. I really think your environmental argument is a red herring. It totally ignores that actual facts of what happened.

The sole basis of the bill was to deregulate power so that competition between companies to service california would drive power prices much lower, instead the lack of new plants to match the surge in demand for power in california in past years has allowed the few companies that provide power to california to raise prices much higher because of much higher demand in the past few years

And you're saying the California Republicans didn't know anything at all about California's energy infrastucture when they wrote that bill?

Originally posted by bLuE oRdEr And you're saying the California Republicans didn't know anything at all about California's energy infrastucture when they wrote that bill?

I am saying that with our highly unnecessary environmental concerns, companies did not come and build power plants in California, which left our power supply very low compared to the great demand, so prices went up. I am sure that the Republicans could have put measures to bolster the move of power companies to build plants here, but the growing demand was unforseen, and was the CA legislature dominated by Republicans in 96, I'm not sure, but i don't think so.

Originally posted by Tristan Jayol > Originally posted by bLuE oRdEr> And you're saying the California Republicans didn't know anything at all about California's energy infrastucture when they wrote that bill?

I am saying that with our highly unnecessary environmental concerns, companies did not come and build power plants in California, which left our power supply very low compared to the great demand, so prices went up. I am sure that the Republicans could have put measures to bolster the move of power companies to build plants here, but the growing demand was unforseen, and was the CA legislature dominated by Republicans in 96, I'm not sure, but i don't think so.

I wouldnt put all the blame on the environmentalists for this one.. theres more than just ecoweeners on the NIMBY bandwagon. its everyone in the state. WE NEED MORE POWERPLANTS. 'how about in your county?' NO FRIGGIN WAY. its the same thing with funding for schools, prisons, etc.

and remember enron? they were energy brokers who were supposed to be filling the gap that was due to us not having enough power plants. unfortunately, they were more interested in gouging the shit out of us instead and manufacturing fake crises to limit supply.

admittedly, grey davis didnt do anything to stop deregulation in 96, but the president didnt do squat to help us out either when his texas buddies were making record profits.

Originally posted by we be scrubbins > Originally posted by Tristan Jayol> > > > Originally posted by bLuE oRdEr> > And you're saying the California Republicans didn't know anything at all about California's energy infrastucture when they wrote that bill?>

I am saying that with our highly unnecessary environmental concerns, companies did not come and build power plants in California, which left our power supply very low compared to the great demand, so prices went up. I am sure that the Republicans could have put measures to bolster the move of power companies to build plants here, but the growing demand was unforseen, and was the CA legislature dominated by Republicans in 96, I'm not sure, but i don't think so.

I wouldnt put all the blame on the environmentalists for this one.. theres more than just ecoweeners on the NIMBY bandwagon. its everyone in the state. WE NEED MORE POWERPLANTS. 'how about in your county?' NO FRIGGIN WAY. its the same thing with funding for schools, prisons, etc.

and remember enron? they were energy brokers who were supposed to be filling the gap that was due to us not having enough power plants. unfortunately, they were more interested in gouging the shit out of us instead and manufacturing fake crises to limit supply.

admittedly, grey davis didnt do anything to stop deregulation in 96, but the president didnt do squat to help us out either when his texas buddies were making record profits.

It was Pete Wilson who was governor in 96; he signed the bill, and the eco-freaks are the ones to blame, since the laws that they lobbied for and their connections to the Californian government has prevented power plants being built here, hence the low supply allowed Enron to price gauge to make ridiculous profits off Californians. The impracticality of environmental concerns in California are to blame for the rolling blackouts.

Tristan, I'm not buying for one minute that environmental laws are behind the energy crisis, when it's been clearly demonstrated that energy companies manufactured a crisis because deregulation opened the doors for them to do so.

However, going with your argument here, exactly which environmental laws are you referring to as "unnecessary"?

Originally posted by bLuE oRdEr Tristan, I'm not buying for one minute that environmental laws are behind the energy crisis, when it's been clearly demonstrated that energy companies manufactured a crisis because deregulation opened the doors for them to do so.However, going with your argument here, exactly which environmental laws are you referring to as "unnecessary"?

Sorry I should be more specific, but I am talking about air quality laws, which are necessary (I should not have said unnecessary) to an extent considering our foul air quality, but we do need power. Air quality laws are partially to blame (In 1993 the utilities helped to stop a state auction that would have lead to the opening of new power plants in the state, but the utilities, faced record surpluses in the early nineties, and they feared price plummets, so they took the matter to court). I believe we should build nuclear plants in the Mojave area and in Imperial County, but community groups would most likely quash such initiatives, or California can do what Cheney suggested two years ago: build power plants in Mexico where environmental laws are much less strict.

Published on Monday, August 18, 2003 by CommonDreams.org
Forget Arnold, "Blackout Pete" Wilson is the Electric Terminator
by Harvey Wasserman

The California media has been whining that Pete Wilson, Arnold's chief press flak, won't let them ask Schwarzenegger any direct questions.

But in the wake of the big northeast blackout, they're missing the boat---it's "Blackout Pete" they should be grilling. If the policies he enacted as governor of California are any indicator, the Terminator will be destroying a lot more than just the Golden State grid.

Wilson was the Republican governor of California in 1996 when he made utility deregulation the centerpiece of his doomed campaign for president. Competition in the electric power business, said Wilson, would usher in a new age of lower prices. The "miracle of the marketplace" would mean better, cheaper, more reliable electricity from a host of competing suppliers.

Deregulation is also the centerpiece of Schwarzenegger's campaign for Wilson's old job. The Terminator isn't allowed to say much. But the few short sentences he does utter seem to have something to do with policies that would mirror what Wilson did when he set the utilities free.

Unfortunately, what Wilson did led directly to the staged rolling blackouts of 2000-1. As we now know, those blackouts were actually a form of blackmail used by Texas gas companies to rob California of more than $60 billion. Among the chief perpetrators were Kenny-Boy Lay of the now-bankrupt Enron (George W. Bush's number one campaign contributor) and James Baker, George H.W. Bush's Secretary of State, the man the GOP sent to Florida to finally fix the election of 2000.

Wilson's big idea then was to cut the utilities loose from the 90 years of public supervision that had kept prices and supply reasonably stable in California and most of the rest of the US. Regulation was not a perfect system. But the regulatory checks and balances that had evolved from the early 1900s through the New Deal and the Carter 1970s formed a complex, sophisticated counterbalance to utility greed.

Wilson's AB1890 unanimously passed the California Assembly with virtually no public hearings or media debate. The bill let Southern California Edison, Pacific Gas & Electric and other utilities force ratepayers to foot the bill for nearly $30 billion in bad capital investments, most of that from commercial reactors built near earthquake faults at the infamous San Onofre and Diablo Canyon sites.

AB1890 was actually written in the offices of Southern California Edison by its president John Bryson. Former chair of the state's Public Utilities Commission, Bryson had been strongly identified with California's powerful grassroots movement for solar power.

But as the million-dollar-per-year chief of SoCalEd, Bryson killed a massive green plan for some 600 megawatts of solar, wind, biomass and other renewables.

In 1978 Herb Gunther of San Francisco's Public Media Center, Harvey Rosenfeld and other consumer campaigners challenged the deregulation bill with a statewide referendum. They predicted the utilities would take the bailout money and then play games with the California grid. Bryson and the other utility barons spent more than $40 million to protect their $30 billion subsidy. They beat the repeal, 70-30,

But in 2000, the Wilson-Bryson dereg plan blew up, as predicted. Enron and the other gas companies began "gaming" the market. By manipulating supply and shutting down key generators at crucial moments, they jacked up spot prices and walked away with some $60 billion.

Rather than prosecuting John Bryson, the new Governor Gray Davis essentially groveled at his feet. Faced with catastrophic shortages, Davis held endless private meetings with Bryson, practically begging for new power sources to keep the state's lights on, and then overpaying billions for whatever power he could get. It's those meetings and those overpayments that most thoroughly anger those now demanding Davis's ouster.

But if Wilson and Bryson had not killed that 600 megawatt green power plan, the 2000-1 crisis could never have happened. Wilson's AB1890 has crippled California's budget.

Arnold's sound bites continue to focus on the "miracle of the marketplace" that has already cost California at least $100 billion. The media should directly demand answers from Blackout Pete about his utility deregulation fiasco, instead of begging to get it all rehashed by Arnold.

Harvey Wasserman is author of THE LAST ENERGY WAR and senior editor of freepress.org. He is co-author with Bob Fitrakis of THE SUPERPOWER OF PEACE, available from freepress.org in September.

Originally posted by bLuE oRdEr Published on Monday, August 18, 2003 by CommonDreams.org Forget Arnold, "Blackout Pete" Wilson is the Electric Terminator by Harvey Wasserman The California media has been whining that Pete Wilson, Arnold's chief press flak, won't let them ask Schwarzenegger any direct questions. But in the wake of the big northeast blackout, they're missing the boat---it's "Blackout Pete" they should be grilling. If the policies he enacted as governor of California are any indicator, the Terminator will be destroying a lot more than just the Golden State grid. Wilson was the Republican governor of California in 1996 when he made utility deregulation the centerpiece of his doomed campaign for president. Competition in the electric power business, said Wilson, would usher in a new age of lower prices. The "miracle of the marketplace" would mean better, cheaper, more reliable electricity from a host of competing suppliers. Deregulation is also the centerpiece of Schwarzenegger's campaign for Wilson's old job. The Terminator isn't allowed to say much. But the few short sentences he does utter seem to have something to do with policies that would mirror what Wilson did when he set the utilities free. Unfortunately, what Wilson did led directly to the staged rolling blackouts of 2000-1. As we now know, those blackouts were actually a form of blackmail used by Texas gas companies to rob California of more than $60 billion. Among the chief perpetrators were Kenny-Boy Lay of the now-bankrupt Enron (George W. Bush's number one campaign contributor) and James Baker, George H.W. Bush's Secretary of State, the man the GOP sent to Florida to finally fix the election of 2000. Wilson's big idea then was to cut the utilities loose from the 90 years of public supervision that had kept prices and supply reasonably stable in California and most of the rest of the US. Regulation was not a perfect system. But the regulatory checks and balances that had evolved from the early 1900s through the New Deal and the Carter 1970s formed a complex, sophisticated counterbalance to utility greed. Wilson's AB1890 unanimously passed the California Assembly with virtually no public hearings or media debate. The bill let Southern California Edison, Pacific Gas & Electric and other utilities force ratepayers to foot the bill for nearly $30 billion in bad capital investments, most of that from commercial reactors built near earthquake faults at the infamous San Onofre and Diablo Canyon sites. AB1890 was actually written in the offices of Southern California Edison by its president John Bryson. Former chair of the state's Public Utilities Commission, Bryson had been strongly identified with California's powerful grassroots movement for solar power. But as the million-dollar-per-year chief of SoCalEd, Bryson killed a massive green plan for some 600 megawatts of solar, wind, biomass and other renewables. In 1978 Herb Gunther of San Francisco's Public Media Center, Harvey Rosenfeld and other consumer campaigners challenged the deregulation bill with a statewide referendum. They predicted the utilities would take the bailout money and then play games with the California grid. Bryson and the other utility barons spent more than $40 million to protect their $30 billion subsidy. They beat the repeal, 70-30, But in 2000, the Wilson-Bryson dereg plan blew up, as predicted. Enron and the other gas companies began "gaming" the market. By manipulating supply and shutting down key generators at crucial moments, they jacked up spot prices and walked away with some $60 billion. Rather than prosecuting John Bryson, the new Governor Gray Davis essentially groveled at his feet. Faced with catastrophic shortages, Davis held endless private meetings with Bryson, practically begging for new power sources to keep the state's lights on, and then overpaying billions for whatever power he could get. It's those meetings and those overpayments that most thoroughly anger those now demanding Davis's ouster. But if Wilson and Bryson had not killed that 600 megawatt green power plan, the 2000-1 crisis could never have happened. Wilson's AB1890 has crippled California's budget. Arnold's sound bites continue to focus on the "miracle of the marketplace" that has already cost California at least $100 billion. The media should directly demand answers from Blackout Pete about his utility deregulation fiasco, instead of begging to get it all rehashed by Arnold. Harvey Wasserman is author of THE LAST ENERGY WAR and senior editor of freepress.org. He is co-author with Bob Fitrakis of THE SUPERPOWER OF PEACE, available from freepress.org in September.

you never quit do you? Don't be suprised to get a visit from my Republican buddies in the middle of the night

Hmmmm. Republicans coming for me in the night. So that would make them...what? Brownshirts, or KKK?

Originally posted by bLuE oRdEr Hmmmm. Republicans coming for me in the night. So that would make them...what? Brownshirts, or KKK?

Richard,

While I vehemently disagree with you on most issues (except, of course, British sports cars) and I find the hate speech you use against GWB repulsive, I as a memeber of this forum won't stand for personal threats.

Tristan, you owe Richard an apology. Instead of threatening physical violence, strengthen your argument.

As a conservative Republican, I'm ALL ABOUT free speech. That's what frustrates most liberals. They have cliamed the First Amendment as their own for so long that it really gets under their skin when others choose to utilize their right to free speech to the fullest. They despise a two way street. Re: the success of Fox News, Sean Hannity, Rush, O'Reiley et al. and the liberal consternation they cause.

Anyway, let's lay off the threats.........

Originally posted by Michael McDermott > Originally posted by bLuE oRdEr> Hmmmm. Republicans coming for me in the night. So that would make them...what? Brownshirts, or KKK?

Richard,

While I vehemently disagree with you on most issues (except, of course, British sports cars) and I find the hate speech you use against GWB repulsive, I as a memeber of this forum won't stand for personal threats.

Tristan, you owe Richard an apology. Instead of threatening physical violence, strengthen your argument.

As a conservative Republican, I'm ALL ABOUT free speech. That's what frustrates most liberals. They have cliamed the First Amendment as their own for so long that it really gets under their skin when others choose to utilize their right to free speech to the fullest. They despise a two way street. Re: the success of Fox News, Sean Hannity, Rush, O'Reiley et al. and the liberal consternation they cause.

Anyway, let's lay off the threats......... Lighten up, I'm kidding; where's the fun in being serious all the time, and I hope you did not truly believe that I made a serious threat to him.

Originally posted by bLuE oRdEr Hmmmm. Republicans coming for me in the night. So that would make them...what? Brownshirts, or KKK?

Actually teenage Republicans, well one of them is close to being a fascist , but the rest are the children of the yuppies

Originally posted by Tristan Jayol > Originally posted by Michael McDermott> > > > Originally posted by bLuE oRdEr> > Hmmmm. Republicans coming for me in the night. So that would make them...what? Brownshirts, or KKK?>

Richard,

While I vehemently disagree with you on most issues (except, of course, British sports cars) and I find the hate speech you use against GWB repulsive, I as a memeber of this forum won't stand for personal threats.

Tristan, you owe Richard an apology. Instead of threatening physical violence, strengthen your argument.

As a conservative Republican, I'm ALL ABOUT free speech. That's what frustrates most liberals. They have cliamed the First Amendment as their own for so long that it really gets under their skin when others choose to utilize their right to free speech to the fullest. They despise a two way street. Re: the success of Fox News, Sean Hannity, Rush, O'Reiley et al. and the liberal consternation they cause.

Anyway, let's lay off the threats......... Lighten up, I'm kidding; where's the fun in being serious all the time, and I hope you did not truly believe that I made a serious threat to him.

My reaction to your statement is partly a function of my age. When you have a wife and children you take any threat of persons coming to "visit" your home seriously.

That's my $.02.

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