New Order live @ Hammerstein Ballroom - NYC (USA) - 2005.05.05

Spotnick wrote: Forgot to add for the pleasure of people not there...

On Jetstream, Bernard went down on his knees to play the gee-tar at Ana's feet.

That wasn't planned at all, the management beside me were all laughing in a way saying "wow, that is great"... :D

Oh please tell me you have a picture of this.

I agree- NOT planned. it looked like his hip gave way - he didn't look happy on the way down.

Yeah,Billy & I where 3rd level up,right side good view,and it looked like his knee or something gave way...

afr0puff wrote: Are you sure? It looked like he totally busted his ass when doing one of his dance steps. His bum ankle must have gave way. I saw a grimace on his face and he also used his hand to brace his fall. Ana also had a "wtf" look on her face when he fell.

yep, that's exactly how it happened, i was right there and saw the whole thing happen. he recovered nicely though.

Looked to me like he went to his knees on purpose. Like he was proposing with the guitar. When your 1/2 century old, even something as simple as that can be difficult. Especially after a hardlived Rock and Roll lifestyle. When I saw Sonic Youth this past summer, Thurston Moore climbed on top of a (short) stack of amps. He did it very slowly, and with extreme caution. It looked more awkward than spontaneous bravado.

NEW YORKERS DONT DANCE

nothing to do with age or crowd or anything

unless you go to some 2 dollar basement show.. you'll not find any dancing

Spotnick -

Thank you so much for taking the time to put this site together. I believe YOU ARE THE GREATEST NewOrder fan because you have brought so many NewOrder fans together. THANK YOU It was nice to meet you and Wenorder at the end of the show (I was the guy who got down on his knees). THe best of everything to you!

P.S. - I still want to buy you a few pints. (I did not forget, I just could not find you at Hiro.)

I thought the concert was great! I have been a New Order fan for the past 20 years. I have never seen them in person until the concert in NY. The drive from PA was long and the hotel bill was extremely expensive, but I would do it again in a heart beat. It will be interesting to see if the filming of this concert will be on DVD in the future. I also thought that I was very fortunate that I got one of the guitar pics that Bernard threw to the audience. What a great souvenior! If New Order puts out another album next year, hopefully they will be back in town.

PS - I thought I saw Gillian back stage during the concert. Did anyone see her, or was I seeing things?

Please read this post, I know its long, but check it out. Wow, I just read all the threads from the NYC show, and I am impressed and in agreement with most of the replies. Glad 98% of us online here thought the show was one of their best! My boyfriend and I flew from Buffalo, NY and spent the night. We SPENT like $800.00 for the whole trip and I would do it again in a heartbeat.

I popped my New Order cherry seeing them live for the 1st time ever. I have been a fan since the early 90's, but became a TRUE DIEHARD FAN over 3 years ago when I meet my boyfriend. He's been a fan since the beginning. He had not seen New Order since 1993 (they have not toured the east coast -US, since then)So this was a real treat for both of us. We sat up in the mezz, and I really wanted to be down in the crowd so I could dance and be in the vibe of the masses. We had the best time up there, more so than the boring folks that had a chance to be upclose that we all pityfully watched. The whole crowd up there with us, danced more than the people on the floor! What is up with that!

No matter what your age, current problems, or wealth, when you go to a concert for a band you devoted your ears to for most of your life, you forget about everything except whats on stage, and let yourself go! I felt that most of the NYC crowd made a bad impression on the band, by being sooo zombielike, while they were up there putting on a great show, actually enjoying doing it for us! Glad to see Sissor Sisters dancing it up on the piller, and Interpol in the box seats.

My god, I felt such a blissful feeling inside my soul seeing New Order, my face hurt from smiling and shouting, along with my legs hurting from leaning over the mezz railing from dancing!. Seeing my boyfriends face light up and occationaly grab my arm and freak out made it special. Seeing the band having a blast performing together (great chemistry that night), made me soooo happy. You could not ask for a better set list, even though we all felt we wanted to hear something else in place of something else.

Guys, hearing those J.D. songs (regardless of your opinions on it)and then one of my favorite tunes-Tempation at the closing, we are so lucky to hear that! We should be greatful that they are still making music, and will be making another album on the heels of this one, and look forward to coming back to the states, NY again and Toronto being a place Hooky considered a sadly missed stop, assuring us it will happen. Yes, they had some sound issues, yes Bernard was a bit handicapped, but it should not matter people! the whole band was having a blast, these guys are over the hill and they still fucking rock, and shake their hips and throw their limbs around like its nobodies business. I do not think New Order fans should critisize their idols.

As far as the sound, everyone up on the mezz thought that they sounded great. The guy next to me thought that it was one of their best, and he saw them 15 times! Loud and crisp up there! Like my boyfriend said, New Order is nothing to look at (physically!) but their sound will embrace you. Then it was off to the afterparty at the Maritime Hotel in the Hiro Ballroom.

Oh boy, what luck we had! there when we walked in, a booth to the right hosted Hooky and fellow tour peeps,(all laughing and tying one on) we smoothly waltz up the the front of their table (which only had 1 or 2 people standing in front chit chattting) and chilled sneakig a peek at Hooky and waited for the cocktail waitress. My Boyfriend approached Hooky and shook his hand, told him they we great and he was a big fan and walked back to me. He could have chatted it up a bit more, because Hooky was in such a limber mood! He then went back with a Krafy single cd that was being handed out like candy, and Hooky signed it!

Oh, it s gets better, the table next to Hookys hosted Carlos D and Paul Banks of Interpol! We are huge huge fans of Interpol, since 2002. Chatted with Paul and shook his hand (he looked at me with a warm smile and his handshake was one of the most comfortable I ever engaged in) I told him that their music and performance onstage is soo tight, and they ooze ravenlike sexiness with their sound and appearence. He gave me a big thank you for that one!

How cool is that?! Interpol, a band that inherited some of their sound from Joy Divison, next to the booth where the guy who played with J.D was sitting. One of New Orders peeps, not sure if management or just close friend, (around Hookys age) had a camera and gingerly turned around from Hookys table and snapped a pic of us, (we flashed a huge party grin and thumbs up), then later he came up and took some more pics of us!!! He said that Bernie was hanging out at a bar at their hotel ALL ALONE with his bum foot! We were like, hey, where!? we will go there and quitely chat with him, but he said he is not sure what hotel; (I am sure he knew)

I wonder where those pics will be posted??!! So then Hooky went up to the turntables and spum some sick shit! Great LWTUA remix, mixed in with vocals from "Love will keep us together" very cool. We stayed until 2:00am, felt we should not spoil the night by staying until the very end (even though I wish we had.) We then returned to the hotel with butterflies in our stomach and contentment in our soul. Hit the bedsheets, fooled around and passed right out-(we walked 20 miles earlier that day!)

Well thats all for my New Order report, looking forward to seeing more great shows, as this year there has been a resurgence of awesome bands. We will try to hit them all! Now the next big concert/album to look forward to is Depeche Mode kids!!!! Peace love and synthrock to all!

Cheers, Julie

Drew Olewnick wrote:

Pardon my gender misidentfication Wood, however you responded to Novadancer's comment about "some guy and 6 of his friends"... er, are you sure about yourself?...

my response to the above quote did not necessarily imply that i was the 'guy' in the quote. i was referring to myself as one of the friends. and it's ms. wood. and yes, i'm 'sure about myself.' are you always this polite to women?

And you seemed to take some delight in implying that you forced your way through a crowd of people who had been occupying their spots for some hours.

this is one of the most puerile arguments i have ever heard; it sounds like something one of my students would say. the last time i attempted to 'save a spot' for myself at a concert by standing for hours in one place, i was about seventeen. i no longer do this as i feel that it's a waste of time, and if i want an 'assigned seat' i will get a ticket in the mezzanine. frankly, i couldn't care less when people walk in front of me, next to me, behind me, or anywhere else they choose at a concert when they paid the same money to attend that i did.

p.s. your type A personality puts you at high risk for cardiovascular disease. consider yoga.

Hey Juju

Glad you had as good a time as I did. Beyond my expectations without a doubt. Worth the 20 year wait. Well worth the cost of plane/hotel/and tickets, let alone the cocktail bill. Nice to know I wasn't the only one representing Buffalo. Hopefully they'll play a little closer next time.

Spotnick wrote: Forgot to add for the pleasure of people not there...

On Jetstream, Bernard went down on his knees to play the gee-tar at Ana's feet.

That wasn't planned at all, the management beside me were all laughing in a way saying "wow, that is great"... :D

Yep and the management was dancing like their were just fans really, you can see that they really love the band. They doing a great job.

WenOrder wrote:

worldinmotion wrote:

Spotnick wrote: Forgot to add for the pleasure of people not there...

On Jetstream, Bernard went down on his knees to play the gee-tar at Ana's feet.

That wasn't planned at all, the management beside me were all laughing in a way saying "wow, that is great"... :D

Yep and the management was dancing like their were just fans really, you can see that they really love the band. They doing a great job.

Hiya David.

Welcome to the boards ;)

Hey WenOrder Thanks much

Review from Saturday's New York Post.

EVERYTHING'S IN FINE ORDER

By DAN AQUILANTE

May 7, 2005 -- NEW ORDER

WITH 28 years of wear on their synths, British dance-pop trailblazers New Order had no business putting on as good a show as they delivered at the Hammerstein Ballroom Thursday.

The last of only four concerts on the band's brief American tour found the quartet playing exactly what its brand of groove-filled music calls for — instrumental work heavy at the bottom, yet fast and precise at the top.

The singer frequently gets the credit for a band's greatness, but New Order's low-end-driven songs lend bassist Peter Hook equal status with singer-guitarist Bernard Sumner.

Neither is pretty to look at anymore, but their performance over the two-hour set displayed both youth and beauty.

You could hear it in everything from the title track of their just-released album, "Waiting for the Sirens' Call," to their practically ancient first single "Blue Monday" (played during the encore).

For New Order fans, this show's greatest-hits program was pure oxygen. "Bizarre Love Triangle," one of the night's sing-alongs, was key, illustrating how the group managed to step out of the clubs and into the mainstream.

The arena anthem "True Faith" — the band's devotional to recreational drugs — was also a smash.

Sumner's gentle vocal style contrasted well with both aggressive guitar songs and the electronic dance numbers. When he called Scissor Sisters' Ana Matronic out of the wings to duet on the new song "Jetstream," he turned in his strongest vocals.

Paunchy and a bit haggard, Hook found his stride early, during the bass blasts midway through "Crystal." From that point, his playing gave the music a rhythmic grandeur that moved hips and heads.

Though much of New Order's recent music has been poppy and guitar-based, closer "Blue Monday" was purely synthetic, a return to their original clubland spirit.

Very nice review, but surprised he didn't mention JD at all..well at least no "..out of the ashes." ;)

IMO a spot on review.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/05072005/entertainment/46055.htm

Have to register to see the review...I cut and pasted here.

Mike

Is there an actual review by a NYC paper for the Hammerstein show?

AgentWood wrote:

Drew Olewnick wrote: And you seemed to take some delight in implying that you forced your way through a crowd of people who had been occupying their spots for some hours.

the last time i attempted to 'save a spot' for myself at a concert by standing for hours in one place, i was about seventeen. i no longer do this as i feel that it's a waste of time, and if i want an 'assigned seat' i will get a ticket in the mezzanine. frankly, i couldn't care less when people walk in front of me, next to me, behind me, or anywhere else they choose at a concert when they paid the same money to attend that i did.

Sure, you don't mind if people push their way past you during a concert. However, and this may be a shock, there are people there who are actually trying to listen to and enjoy the concert and don't appreciate it when late arrivals try to bully their way past.

I'm also not one to arrive hours early for a good spot. So when we got there shortly before showtime Thursday night, we took our spots near the back of the crowd. The folks up front, having arrived hours earlier, are clearly more hardcore fans than myself, and have rightfully earned their "prime" spots up front. Latecomers like ourselves, as well as the party-people from TGIF, should respect that and park their asses in the rear of the room.

This once again begs the unanswered question, why are most forms of common civility tossed out the window at rock concerts? Ms. Wood, if you and your friend are taking in a painting at a museum, is it appropriate for myself and six of my friends to just step up and stand directly in front of you, spoiling your appreciation of the artwork? I mean, we paid the same price for admission!

AgentWood wrote: p.s. your type A personality puts you at high risk for cardiovascular disease. consider yoga.

Thanks for the health tip. I'll stick to something less trendy, like running.

Cheers, BIGINOIL, for the props for my review. I guess I'll stick it in the review section.

Regarding the debate about moving in the crowd, I gotta tell ya, I am in two minds about it. I'm 33, no spring chicken, but I expect there to be some jostling in the front rows of a show. Typically if it's a band I'm indifferent about, I let folks go by, but if not... I'm telling you to go elsewhere. People usually find another point of "least resistance," until you're told to piss off by enough people in the area.

Any general admiss show, I'd expect to have to fight to keep your spot up front. Not fair? Maybe, but I've won enough and lost enough times to know that's the primordal human behavior that take place in the first five rows!

I was there from the middle of the Dragon(ette?) (Fly?) show, and I had to use the loo, so I went out, came back the same way. No one gave me stick about it. Plus my wife was up front. I do agree though, it is remarkably bad form to go to the front, go to the back for a pint, then come back up IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SHOW. Get a pint before or after, eh?

Looking forward to seeing the DVD - after all the camera operator twatted me twice with the friggin' crane thingy. I was hesitant to stick my arms in the air but I did!

Anyone see those 2 guys dancing way back on the right side??

Funniest fukkin thing I've seen in while

e C K o H

"To know me is to be hated by me"

AgentWood wrote:

titus bondi wrote: The only legitimate gripe should be that most of the people at Hammerstein were zobmies with sticks in their arses. If you're that picky, stick to your iPod and don't bother buying a concert ticket and let others enjoy listening to an imperfect band and love every minute of it.

why does everybody has to dance and move around in order not to be considered picky? some people (including me) just like to stand, watch and listen

let me get this straight. you first write that it is a 'legitimate gripe' to call the NY crowd 'zombies' yet you then complain about how one should have the right to just stand and listen without others making a big to do... which completely contradicts your first statement. utterly confusing.

perhaps we have different definitions for the word 'zombie.'

You are totally right, but i did not contradict myself! i made a mistake by taking the "quotes" out of the first paragraph which was a quote from a previous post.

I was planning on going to the Kratfwerk show but decided against it after being pushed around by the pogoing 30-something "dancers" during the NO show. If it's going to be the same thing with the germans, i much rather keep my memories of last year's coachella.

for the record, I did not dance, move, jump during the concert and I allowed my brain to sink in so much emotion and feelings, listening and capturing every moment. I phased out distractions from the aggressive "dancers", who should respect the fact that we do not perceive music the way they do and we do not have the urge of aimless movement to show that we are having a good time! if I'm considered a zombie, so be it, but this zombie enjoyed enormously a NO concert. (However and for the record, this zombie will not go through the same process for kraftwerk).

eCKOh wrote: Anyone see those 2 guys dancing way back on the right side??

Funniest fukkin thing I've seen in while

e C K o H

"To know me is to be hated by me"

Supposedly it was the Scissor Sisters. I thought they were a bunch of assholes for trying to steal some camera/stage time. Hopefully they will be edited out of the DVD.

btw...I thought the opening band(don't remember their name) was horrible. But that is just my opinion. The lead singer looked like Pat Benatar.

And I think Brian L. is right. We should all be thankful we got to see New Order in NYC after such a long absense. We should stop picking the show apart. It ruins it for the people that really loved the show.

Drew Olewnick wrote:

Ms. Wood, if you and your friend are taking in a painting at a museum, is it appropriate for myself and six of my friends to just step up and stand directly in front of you, spoiling your appreciation of the artwork? I mean, we paid the same price for admission!

It wasn't a painting at a museum.....and I doubt Bernard gets called "artwork" very often! If it's common civility you want, stick to museums. If it's New Order you want, go with the flow or head out the door.

titus bondi wrote:

AgentWood wrote:

titus bondi wrote:

why does everybody has to dance and move around in order not to be considered picky? some people (including me) just like to stand, watch and listen

let me get this straight. you first write that it is a 'legitimate gripe' to call the NY crowd 'zombies' yet you then complain about how one should have the right to just stand and listen without others making a big to do... which completely contradicts your first statement. utterly confusing.

perhaps we have different definitions for the word 'zombie.'

You are totally right, but i did not contradict myself! i made a mistake by taking the "quotes" out of the first paragraph which was a quote from a previous post.

I was planning on going to the Kratfwerk show but decided against it after being pushed around by the pogoing 30-something "dancers" during the NO show. If it's going to be the same thing with the germans, i much rather keep my memories of last year's coachella.

for the record, I did not dance, move, jump during the concert and I allowed my brain to sink in so much emotion and feelings, listening and capturing every moment. I phased out distractions from the aggressive "dancers", who should respect the fact that we do not perceive music the way they do and we do not have the urge of aimless movement to show that we are having a good time! if I'm considered a zombie, so be it, but this zombie enjoyed enormously a NO concert. (However and for the record, this zombie will not go through the same process for kraftwerk).

I think I was a bit harsh in my original post in blasting those who prefer to stand and listen at concerts. I was just so hyped up to see NO after 13 years that I expected the audience to be more electric/overtly excited at the show. As stated by other posts, people experience concerts in different ways and I can respect that. That being said, it shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone who has ever attended a show that people like to get their groove on especially on the floor. I'm very much aware of the people standing around me when I pogo/dance so as to not bump into them. When I'm on the other end of the spectrum and just want to take it in the show, I move when people get a bit too enthusiastic.